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Aldrad
Caldari
Grey Templars
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Posted - 2010.01.29 17:01:00 -
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Edited by: Aldrad on 29/01/2010 17:02:17
I'd like to know your opinions of what a 1v1 is?
My view is:
A 1v1 is an agreement between two individuals to engage in combat to see which lasts until the end.
Is a 1v1 still valid if one of the parties refuses to fire back, and instead docks claiming its a draw? Personally, I find this as a pitiful way to back out of the fight.
ò If the player refuses to fight, and instead docks. I regard this as invalidating the 1v1.
ò If the player warps off, after being scrammed. (i.e. the player possesses a stab or more) I regard this as an action indicating the player is conceding, thus the remaining player should claim victory as they forced the other player out of the engagement.
Any opinions on this?
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.01.29 17:08:00 -
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It's like arm wrestling, if you flinch or back out you lose.
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godrath
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Posted - 2010.01.29 17:09:00 -
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I believe your correct. If someone warps or docks they are surrendering. Better to admit defeat than look like a chicken. |
Aldrad
Caldari
Grey Templars
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Posted - 2010.01.29 17:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Marko Riva
It's like arm wrestling, if you flinch or back out you lose.
Exactly. But if the guy even refuses to lock hands (fire their weapons), the arm wrestle doesn't even initiate, right? How can the player assume a draw if they don't even lock hands (fire)?
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beh iettmi
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Posted - 2010.01.29 17:26:00 -
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Yes i find a courteous "You have bettered me sir. Would you please not destroy my ship" is the best way to disengage
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Aldrad
Caldari
Grey Templars
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Posted - 2010.01.29 17:55:00 -
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Story behind this?
I had a 1v1 with somebody (I'll refuse to name him at this time). He asks me to 1v1 him outside my corps HQ. After alot of indecisive blather I meet up with him outside the station. He asks me to drop a can in order to gain aggro. Noticing I am in the same ship as him, he docks and goes on a "bio break" which lasts about ten minutes. He returns, takes my can then asks me to fire.
Assuming this is the indication to begin the 1v1, I open fire. I get him to 20% shield where he undocks his alt domi and shield RRs himself. He docks both toons, then convos me. After a little smack from me about what hes doing, he asks for another go. He undocks again, and sits there. I lock him and after a few seconds begin opening fire, getting him down to 30% shield. He docks yet again. I ask him what his game is, and he claims GF, and that it was a draw because I never got him to 50% hull. Bear in mind he never opened fire once ever since I arrived at the station.
After more smack, he undocks and asks me to start again. I begin firing, putting a point on him, but he warps off (aided by a stab), and again claims it was a draw. He further states I never added the condition preventing him from warping off, so it is still a draw.
wtf? Something wrong with this guys logic. You don't enter into an arm wrestling match and suddenly claim a draw without even locking hands.
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Er4lyn
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Posted - 2010.01.29 18:40:00 -
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I'd say you are both tards. Him for challenging a 1v1 then running and docking. You for getting upset over not being able to kill someone and having to post it on the forums.
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Aldrad
Caldari
Grey Templars
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Posted - 2010.01.29 20:10:00 -
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Edited by: Aldrad on 29/01/2010 20:11:54
I ain't upset. I'm merely wanting to verify what a 1v1 is, and get peoples opinions on it.
Stop being a trolling tard yourself.
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Abram Thrust
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.01.29 20:16:00 -
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there's only one time I've had a 1 on 1 "draw"
I was trying out an Arty Rifter (it didn't work) and the other guy was in an AC Punisher with point/web no speed mod.
after dancing for a couple minutes I couldn't break his tank, and he couldn't hit me.
so we mutually agreed it was a draw, o7'd, and flew off.
the mutual is the big part, what you described, was him hoping for a lolgank, not a "draw"
protip: avoid doing 1V1's anywhere near a station for this reason. make them meet you at a planet.
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Seb gg
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Posted - 2010.01.29 20:16:00 -
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Hi,
i do alot of 1v1's
i just wanna say afew things,
1) I always 1v1 in a safe spot, and usually one of mine, a 1v1 at a planet quickly turns into a x v 1!
2) if he isnt pointing me, and im dying, im warping out, call it a loss, but at least i dont loose my ship. (ie, if he fits no point!(its happened) or hes capped out, whatever)
Equally, if im not pointing him, and he gets out, fine by me, i should have popped his ecm drones faster etc etc.
3) ofc, if sum 1 else affect the battle at all, (ie repper alt, or ecm, or gang link alt,) thast not a 1v1
4) I tend to find alot of ppl who dishonour, so i almost invariably make sure im boss in fleet, so he/she isnt inviting any 1 new, and its in my safe.
as soon as sum1 leaves fleet, i gtfo! (ecm drones, neuts, burn away, whatever i can)
also, if you can , have sum 1 on standby just incase they do dishnonour its ofetn a good idea, and u can get soem crackign fights out of it!
and yeah often ppl have particular rulesm, like no ecm drones, no counter fits, and no specific hardener, personally i dotn care, it doesent make hat much difference anyways in the grand scheme of things, basically, cant expect sum1 to use a fleet fit for 1v1.
Seb
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Aldrad
Caldari
Grey Templars
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Posted - 2010.01.29 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Abram Thrust
there's only one time I've had a 1 on 1 "draw"
I was trying out an Arty Rifter (it didn't work) and the other guy was in an AC Punisher with point/web no speed mod.
after dancing for a couple minutes I couldn't break his tank, and he couldn't hit me.
so we mutually agreed it was a draw, o7'd, and flew off.
the mutual is the big part, what you described, was him hoping for a lolgank, not a "draw"
protip: avoid doing 1V1's anywhere near a station for this reason. make them meet you at a planet.
Yeah, 1v1's at planets and moons is ideal. I'd avoid arranging a 1v1 at a station, as the other individual may suddenly decide to turn tale and roll in RR, which makes it boring. ;)
It's a shame so many 1v1's are dishonored these days. My early days I was always up for a 1v1, but ever since I've encountered far too many dishonorable 1v1s, as such I've always had buddies nearby with RR as a backup plan. But thats counter-productive, as your opponent may get paranoid, and may not fight. May bring in his own RR, blah blah.
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Seb gg
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Posted - 2010.01.29 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Aldrad
Yeah, 1v1's at planets and moons is ideal.
as ive pointed out, very very bad idea if your in any sec space, especially low sek or 0.0, for blindingly obvious reasons.
just always do it in ur safe, and make sure its a deep safe. simple as
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Aldrad
Caldari
Grey Templars
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Posted - 2010.01.29 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Seb gg
Originally by: Aldrad
Yeah, 1v1's at planets and moons is ideal.
as ive pointed out, very very bad idea if your in any sec space, especially low sek or 0.0, for blindingly obvious reasons.
just always do it in ur safe, and make sure its a deep safe. simple as
yeh, true. My only concern with that is the player being in a fleet, then his buddies can warp to him assuming. However, this can be counteracted by, if you are the one that took the can, then you can create a fleet and invite him in order to prevent his buddies from warping in on you.
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Seb gg
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Posted - 2010.01.29 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Aldrad
yeh, true. My only concern with that is the player being in a fleet, then his buddies can warp to him assuming. However, this can be counteracted by, if you are the one that took the can, then you can create a fleet and invite him in order to prevent his buddies from warping in on you.
yep, like i said, always where you can help it your fleet, then as soon as he leaves fleet (he cant invite any 1 as a squad member) you call your backup in, or just get the hell out easy, none of this fanying arround on stations or planets bull****
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King Rothgar
Imperial Slave Hunter Society
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Posted - 2010.01.29 22:38:00 -
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If you flee or dock you lost, though you did keep your ship and I think that's fair enough. I don't expect my opponents to stay to an honorable death if they are losing, they have every right to attempt a retreat. Just don't smack if you do that, you lost the fight. You survived it, but you lost.
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Misticrevalation
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Posted - 2010.01.30 11:38:00 -
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Hi Aldrad, I notice that you asked godrath and Beh, who are both in your corporation, to post acting like "neutrals".
I agreed to 1 v 1 Aldrad. We both agreed to fight by the station. Several of his corpmates were in system, despite repeated requests from me that they remain one system out.
Once the fight began, one of his corpmates undocked....I wondered whether the corpm8 was simply traveling elsewhere, but no, he targeted me and remained nearby. I noticed the corpm8s ship type was a frigate, so was confident I would tank any damage from him, but another of the corporation members were in system, possibly in a mining barge - or possibly in a high DPS BS aligned at full speed towards Aldrad in fleet. Aldrad was "already in a fleet", so I was very uneasy about engaging.
I did have a remote repp ship aligned at full speed towards me in fleet, and used it to warp in and repp my shields once Aldrad had taken my shields quite far down. However, I wasn't going to engage with him and a tackling frigate on grid, and a corpmate somewhere in system. I docked, got the auto-shield rep and undocked and tried warping out. External factors prevented me. So I re-docked, fitted WCS, and tried again, this time getting out.
My personal opinion is that if someone agrees to a 1 v 1 at a station, they should possibly expect docking/attempted warping, and should bump the person off station. If the person doesn't specify rules such as "no warps" or "no (specific) hardeners" or "No ECM" etc.....then I think that means "anything can happen" type 1 v 1. |
Concubinia Scarlett
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Posted - 2010.01.30 14:34:00 -
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1v1.... Thats what they call it when both gangs sat one jump out ready for the gank accidentaly find a jucier target.
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2010.01.30 15:01:00 -
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Misticrevalation is right in assuming it to be an "free-for-all" 1v1 since no conditions are specified. Meaning the participants can warp, dock, fit any modules at their discretion. However, most people would agree that if you warp out or dock, you forfeit the match.
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Throckbane
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Posted - 2010.01.31 00:27:00 -
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You both lost because you played along with his pointless station games.
If someone is at a station, ignore them as if they are already docked. Station games are for high sec.
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Kher'Aleer
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.01.31 07:44:00 -
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There is only one way to win a fight.
That is by utterly destroying your opponents ship (and preferably killing his POD).
Anything else is just nonsense.
If the target manages to get away, you have failed.
If you run and dock up, you are both a coward and a fail.
Agreeing to a 1v1 at docking range is fail fail fail.
If anyone feel they dont want to loose a ship, stay docked and go home.
my 2 isk.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.01.31 08:04:00 -
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something you do on the test server at a bf beacon.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.01.31 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: Aldrad
Is a 1v1 still valid if one of the parties refuses to fire back, and instead docks claiming its a draw? Personally, I find this as a pitiful way to back out of the fight.
I call this particular kind of player the "test my tank noob". They usually want to "fight" exclusively in dockrange at stations or in jumprange of a gate, and will only engage if they can tank your incoming dps.
Possibly the most pathetic creature in eve pvp, try to start shooting with half your guns first, sometimes they grow a pair when you dont break their tank.
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Super Chair
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.01.31 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: Seb gg
2) if he isnt pointing me, and im dying, im warping out, call it a loss, but at least i dont loose my ship. (ie, if he fits no point!(its happened) or hes capped out, whatever)
Equally, if im not pointing him, and he gets out, fine by me, i should have popped his ecm drones faster etc etc.
Seb
You may want to explain the whole warping out thing to a mate in your alliance, they weren't too happy when I managed to burn away and warp out 
Originally by: Abram Thrust
there's only one time I've had a 1 on 1 "draw"
I was trying out an Arty Rifter (it didn't work) and the other guy was in an AC Punisher with point/web no speed mod.
after dancing for a couple minutes I couldn't break his tank, and he couldn't hit me.
so we mutually agreed it was a draw, o7'd, and flew off.
the mutual is the big part, what you described, was him hoping for a lolgank, not a "draw"
protip: avoid doing 1V1's anywhere near a station for this reason. make them meet you at a planet.
One time I tried out a fit that I thought seb here was using to spank me in a t1 frig 1v1 (it wasn't even close lol).
So i thought it was a neut tristan, so i fit one out and went looking for a fight and i bump into an incursus, it was so close that we both blew up at the exact same time  Was tons of fun though!
To the OP: Just don't play station games and if they run away and still claim that it was a draw/win for them just ingore them. They clearly aren't man enough to admit when they've lost and say gf (and from the sounds of it, they aren't even man enough to agress), so why bother with them?
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Kimet Ethonise
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Posted - 2010.01.31 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Misticrevalation
Edited by: Misticrevalation on 30/01/2010 13:54:47
I did have a remote repp ship aligned at full speed towards me in fleet....
Translation: "I was planning on this not being 1v1 right from the beginning."
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Seb gg
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Posted - 2010.01.31 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Super Chair
You may want to explain the whole warping out thing to a mate in your alliance, they weren't too happy when I managed to burn away and warp out [:D
im not surprised, i wudnt be too hapy either, but its what id do if i was getting pwnt lol
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Altair Bourne
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Posted - 2010.01.31 14:11:00 -
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If you engage at a safe spot and you have to warp out because you were dying and the other guy didn't have you pointed then it's a draw. Fitting a point or points and using them is simply something you must do in pvp if you expect a conclusion to any fight. If it wasn't important we would simply have people in 1 v 1's warping in at range, keeping range and using missiles or drones to kill the target.
Best to be in fleet with your opponent as at least it reduces the chances of getting blobbed. Personally I have neither dishonoured a 1 v 1 or had one dishonoured against me. I think it usually pays to at least have an idea of the kind of person you are about to engage, if they're smacking in local and generally acting like a tard, don't be surprised if they don't honour the 1v1.
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2010.01.31 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Aldrad
Edited by: Aldrad on 29/01/2010 17:14:00
I'd like to know your opinions of what a 1v1 is?
My view is:
A 1v1 is an agreement between two individuals to engage in combat to see which lasts until the end.
Is a 1v1 still valid if one of the parties refuses to fire back, and instead docks claiming its a draw? Personally, I find this as a pitiful way to back out of the fight.
ò If the player refuses to fight, and instead docks. I regard this as invalidating the 1v1.
ò If the player warps off, after being scrammed. (i.e. the player possesses a stab or more) I regard this as an action indicating the player is conceding, thus the remaining player should claim victory as they forced the other player out of the engagement.
This argument assumes no RR is involved, and both individuals agree upon the conditions set prior to the 1v1 and that no external factors affect the agreement.
Any opinions on this?
My opinion is that the circumstances of 1vs1's were left up to the players involved intentionally by CCP.
Coming up with your own code is meaningless because not everyone will follow it.
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Julian Darklight
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Posted - 2010.02.01 18:51:00 -
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1v1s are just that. 1v1s. any assistance watsoever make it invalad.i was jumped recently in a "1v1" fight. Took my ferox that i had just bought an was tryin out for the first tiem in PVP. it was also my first time to ever PVP in a BC. took it up against a t2 punisher. an next thing i was webbed an scrammed by 2 other t2 figs an a tengu. at that point i wish i had been close to the station (i had gotten far off to use my rails an missles). so runnin in that sit would have been profiatble an right. runnin aint always dishonerable. however, u should only take out craft that u can afford to loose in PVP an stay till ur ship is dead. or if u do run, conciede defeat to ur opponent. piratin however is different. then runnin is often the correct choice. lol
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Smk56
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Posted - 2010.02.02 14:09:00 -
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Edited by: Smk56 on 02/02/2010 14:09:11
I dislike any form of prearranged pvp. If that's your cup of tea then knock yourself out but the way I view it is if he escaped then you failed to kill him. No one lost because no one died.
You can say you won because he ran but he say it's a draw because you failed to finish him.
If the player was stabbed then his objective was never to fight in the first place. It was just to get somewhere without dying(you can't exactly fight with these things equipped you know). If you couldn't kill him then he succeeded.
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Cearain
Caldari
ReSlavers
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Posted - 2010.02.03 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Seb gg
Hi,
i do alot of 1v1's
i just wanna say afew things,
1) I always 1v1 in a safe spot, and usually one of mine, a 1v1 at a planet quickly turns into a x v 1!
2) if he isnt pointing me, and im dying, im warping out, call it a loss, but at least i dont loose my ship. (ie, if he fits no point!(its happened) or hes capped out, whatever)....
and yeah often ppl have particular rulesm, like no ecm drones, no counter fits, and no specific hardener, personally i dotn care, it doesent make hat much difference anyways in the grand scheme of things, basically, cant expect sum1 to use a fleet fit for 1v1.
Seb
I do 1v1s as well. They are fun for times when you are tired of getting and giving ganks. Obvioulsy make sure you get an agreement that it is a 1v1 not saying anythign is not an agreement. They are till the death unless you agree to something like "stop at 25% armor" or something but thats rare. This guy the op fought, who had a remote repper, dishonored the 1v1, because he used 2 ships. I never do 1v1s at a station but I suppose if they have time to deagress they can dock. If they don't use another ship I don't think they dishonored the 1v1.
I have heard people say you shouldn't warp out but that view is very very rare. Keeping a point is a big part of pvp and it is assumed that once you engage you need to keep the point or lose the kill. (even in 1v1s.) If you do not allow warp outs then your strategy is very different. I don't do 1v1s with a no warp out rule. I sort of think thats lame.
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lilrez
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2010.02.04 08:39:00 -
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A 1v1 is when you catch someone by surprise and kill him before his friends can come to save him. |
Aka5ha
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.04 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Aldrad
Edited by: Aldrad on 29/01/2010 17:14:00
I'd like to know your opinions of what a 1v1 is?
My view is:
A 1v1 is an agreement between two individuals to engage in combat to see which lasts until the end.
Is a 1v1 still valid if one of the parties refuses to fire back, and instead docks claiming its a draw? Personally, I find this as a pitiful way to back out of the fight.
ò If the player refuses to fight, and instead docks. I regard this as invalidating the 1v1.
ò If the player warps off, after being scrammed. (i.e. the player possesses a stab or more) I regard this as an action indicating the player is conceding, thus the remaining player should claim victory as they forced the other player out of the engagement.
This argument assumes no RR is involved, and both individuals agree upon the conditions set prior to the 1v1 and that no external factors affect the agreement.
Any opinions on this?
from your post I can tell your truly a nerd. You should stick to mining veld and lvl 4's at motsu. PVP is definately out of your league. BTW faction warfare and lowsec pirating/baiting is not PVP. Its no risk EVP, thats euro PVP. PVP is in 0.0 and you cant use your spreadsheets there
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Cattegirn
Rampant SR
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Posted - 2010.02.04 11:07:00 -
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Docking and gate jumping are illegal moves by default. Warping away is not by default illegal; the tackle is part of the 1v1.
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rodensteiner
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.05 20:33:00 -
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I 1 vs 1 whenever I get the chance to. This can either be in hi-sec with a can flip, or in null-sec when someone convo's me and asks for a 1 vs 1.
I personally fight a 1 vs 1 to the death. I've fought more than one arranged 1 vs 1 where I was in a normal PVP fit, but my opponent in a "special" fit. I will still fight until he or I pops. I will not warp out, even if I'm not pointed.
If you're concerned about funky fits, etc., make sure you set those rules up first.
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Posted - 2010.02.05 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Aka5ha
from my post you can tell I'm truly a 'tard'. You should stick to mining veld and lvl 4's at motsu. PVP is definately out of your league. BTW faction warfare and lowsec pirating/baiting is not PVP. Its no risk EVP, thats euro PVP. PVP is in 0.0 and you cant use your spreadsheets there[/quote
Fixed it for you
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2010.02.07 11:58:00 -
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A 1v1 is a hypothetical scenario wherein two Eve pilots meet upon the field of battle, and resolve their differences through violence, leaving only the victor alive. This scenario has not occurred in actuality since approximately 2007, when most Eve pilots began travelling with a fleet of cloaked Falcons or hotdroppable capital ships where-ever they went. The only existing reminder of 1v1s we see today, are frequent posts claiming a 1v1 has been dishonoured.
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ChickenOfDoom
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Posted - 2010.02.08 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: beh iettmi
Yes i find a courteous "You have bettered me sir. Would you please not destroy my ship" is the best way to disengage
I prefer unexpectedly neuting the hell out of him
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Fumitsugu
Unholy Asylum
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Posted - 2010.02.08 08:03:00 -
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Edited by: Fumitsugu on 08/02/2010 08:02:51
Originally by: Aka5ha
from your post I can tell your truly a nerd. You should stick to mining veld and lvl 4's at motsu. PVP is definately out of your league. BTW faction warfare and lowsec pirating/baiting is not PVP. Its no risk EVP, thats euro PVP. PVP is in 0.0 and you cant use your spreadsheets there
Brief explanation of "Euro PvP" plz. Make it good, or you're getting the dunce's hat and being made to sit in the corner again.
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Misticrevalation
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Posted - 2010.02.09 15:36:00 -
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It's a bit sneaky that Aldrad gave the link to his corpmates, asked them to "hide corp name" on their forum settings and post an arranged reply, pretending to be neutrals agreeing with him.
Surely you wouldn't want them with-holding their corp info unless they had something to hide, eh Aldrad?
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Aldrad
Caldari
Grey Templars
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Posted - 2010.02.09 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Misticrevalation
It's a bit sneaky that Aldrad gave the link to his corpmates, asked them to "hide corp name" on their forum settings and post an arranged reply, pretending to be neutrals agreeing with him.
Surely you wouldn't want them with-holding their corp info unless they had something to hide, eh Aldrad?
Why would it be sneaky asking them to post their opinion?
Why would displaying their corp be of huge relevance? Not everything is a giant conspiracy mate. Please stay on topic or gtfo.
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Misticrevalation
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Posted - 2010.02.09 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Aldrad
Originally by: Misticrevalation
It's a bit sneaky that Aldrad gave the link to his corpmates, asked them to "hide corp name" on their forum settings and post an arranged reply, pretending to be neutrals agreeing with him.
Surely you wouldn't want them with-holding their corp info unless they had something to hide, eh Aldrad?
Why would it be sneaky asking them to post their opinion?
Why would displaying their corp be of huge relevance? Not everything is a giant conspiracy mate. Please stay on topic or gtfo.
It is on topic, whether or not you think it is.
LOL - So you ordered your corpmates to post a pre-arranged response you dreamed up to a topic, you had them deliberately hide their corp name on the forums, and they surprisingly agreed with you? Hrmmm....suspicious?
Despite his original post, which was highly misleading, Aldrad had not specified that he wanted warping out to be an illegal move in this 1 v 1. He simply agreed to a regular, run of the mill, average 1 v 1.
I asked for his corpmates to leave the system, but they refused to do so. I was happy so long as they stayed docked, but upon targeting Aldrad, he ordered one of his corpmates to undock and begin targeting me. In private chat, he excused this by saying that "THat's fine, because he didn't actually shoot you". Let's just say that I wasn't going to engage with Aldrad already aggressing me, his corpmate targeting me, and another corpmate at an unknown spot in the solar system (who could have been in a battleship for all I knew)
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Aldrad
Caldari
Grey Templars
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Posted - 2010.02.09 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Misticrevalation
Originally by: Aldrad
Originally by: Misticrevalation
It's a bit sneaky that Aldrad gave the link to his corpmates, asked them to "hide corp name" on their forum settings and post an arranged reply, pretending to be neutrals agreeing with him.
Surely you wouldn't want them with-holding their corp info unless they had something to hide, eh Aldrad?
Why would it be sneaky asking them to post their opinion?
Why would displaying their corp be of huge relevance? Not everything is a giant conspiracy mate. Please stay on topic or gtfo.
It is on topic, whether or not you think it is.
LOL - So you ordered your corpmates to post a pre-arranged response you dreamed up to a topic, you had them deliberately hide their corp name on the forums, and they surprisingly agreed with you? Hrmmm....suspicious?
Despite his original post, which was highly misleading, Aldrad had not specified that he wanted warping out to be an illegal move in this 1 v 1. He simply agreed to a regular, run of the mill, average 1 v 1.
I asked for his corpmates to leave the system, but they refused to do so. I was happy so long as they stayed docked, but upon targeting Aldrad, he ordered one of his corpmates to undock and begin targeting me. In private chat, he excused this by saying that "THat's fine, because he didn't actually shoot you". Let's just say that I wasn't going to engage with Aldrad already aggressing me, his corpmate targeting me, and another corpmate at an unknown spot in the solar system (who could have been in a battleship for all I knew)
Why do you keep following me around and disrupting my topics with utter drivel? You're boring, go away.
You're just frustrated that my corp has inflicted nearly 1b worth of damage on you and your alts, and you just can't seem to kill any of us. Go cry somewhere else.
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Misticrevalation
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Posted - 2010.02.09 16:35:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Misticrevalation on 09/02/2010 16:37:22
So I take it you can't respond logically?
Thought not.
I am not "disrupting" your topic. You made a topic in which you lied about what was agreed, mislead people and expected me to sit and not reply at all.
You did not specify that no warping was allowed.
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Aldrad
Caldari
Grey Templars
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Posted - 2010.02.09 16:37:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Misticrevalation
So I take it you can't respond logically?
Thought not.
I take it you're an idiot?
Thought so.
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Misticrevalation
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Posted - 2010.02.09 16:43:00 -
[45]
And no response to your lie about no warping out being agreed?
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Aldrad
Caldari
Grey Templars
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Posted - 2010.02.09 16:46:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Misticrevalation
And no response to your lie about no warping out being agreed?
Do I care? no. You wanted a 1v1, I engaged, you warped off, I left system. Quit being a girl.
Btw, read. Misticrelevation = Murray.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=9260695#msg391918
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Misticrevalation
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Posted - 2010.02.09 16:48:00 -
[47]
The killboard shows me having roughly even kill/death and isk/lost isk ratio.
Your point?
We agreed to a 1 v 1, which you broke by having your corpmate undock and lock me. You did not ask to have a "no warp out" rule. You then claimed you won the 1 v 1, even though you did not engage me after I returned.
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Aldrad
Caldari
Grey Templars
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Posted - 2010.02.09 16:53:00 -
[48]
Please feel free to post your opinion about a 1v1. But stop with the random blather please. If you want to discuss your whining, please make a new topic or contact me in game.
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zaneyard
Gallente
Etched Hull Innovative Enterprises
Don't Feed the Bears
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Posted - 2010.02.09 16:58:00 -
[49]
Lol arranged pvp
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Misticrevalation
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Posted - 2010.02.09 17:03:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Misticrevalation on 09/02/2010 17:08:17
Originally by: Aldrad
Please feel free to post your opinion about a 1v1. But stop with the random blather please. If you want to discuss your whining, please make a new topic or contact me in game.
My opinion is:
First of all, the OP shouldn't be an idiot and lie about the terms of the arranged 1 v 1 (as Aldrad did)
ALso....both members, assuming they are in player corps should request all other corp members leave the system (requested by me, but Aldrad and his corp refused)
Additionally......if a corp member of one player involved in the 1 v 1 IS in that system.....under no circumstances should they undock and target the other guy in the 1 v 1. (Locked by Aldrad's corpmate)
Sound familiar?
What was your excuse.....oh yes ...... "you shouldn't feel afraid because he didn't actually shoot you, he only targeted you".
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Aldrad
Caldari
Grey Templars
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Posted - 2010.02.09 17:03:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Aldrad on 09/02/2010 17:05:56
Originally by: Misticrevalation
Originally by: Aldrad
Please feel free to post your opinion about a 1v1. But stop with the random blather please. If you want to discuss your whining, please make a new topic or contact me in game.
My opinion is:
First of all, the OP shouldn't be an idiot and lie about the terms of the arranged 1 v 1.
ALso....both members, assuming they are in player corps should request all other corp members leave the system.
Additionally......if a corp member of one player involved in the 1 v 1 IS in that system.....under no circumstances should they undock and target the other guy in the 1 v 1.
Sound familiar?
What was your excuse.....oh yes ...... "you shouldn't feel afraid because he didn't actually shoot you, he only targeted you".
I guess you've been pwned alot eh? I sense alot of hate in your posts. ;)
1v1 pretty much sucks nowadays, which is why I rarely do them. The tactic is to bait the guy to fire, then roll in the RR to make sure you're kept alive, unless they really suck. As annoying as RR is, its pretty much here to stay regardless of how much whining there is, and it will continue to deter many more 1v1 "arrangements" in the future.
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Misticrevalation
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Posted - 2010.02.09 17:09:00 -
[52]
Quote:
1v1 pretty much sucks nowadays, which is why I rarely do them. The tactic is to bait the guy to fire, then roll in the RR to make sure you're kept alive, unless they really suck. As annoying as RR is, its pretty much here to stay regardless of how much whining there is, and it will deter many more 1v1 "arrangements" in the future.
heh?
So....let me get this right. You brought in a fleet of neutral RR, then you proceed to whine about how "unfair" using remote reps is?
wtf?
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Aldrad
Caldari
Grey Templars
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Posted - 2010.02.09 17:13:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Misticrevalation
Quote:
1v1 pretty much sucks nowadays, which is why I rarely do them. The tactic is to bait the guy to fire, then roll in the RR to make sure you're kept alive, unless they really suck. As annoying as RR is, its pretty much here to stay regardless of how much whining there is, and it will deter many more 1v1 "arrangements" in the future.
heh?
So....let me get this right. You brought in a fleet of neutral RR, then you proceed to whine about how "unfair" using remote reps is?
wtf?
RR always seems to be present in 1v1's nowadays, just incase the "other party" also features RRs. It's usually a matter of who's going to have to call in the RR first.
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Misticrevalation
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Posted - 2010.02.09 17:15:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Misticrevalation on 09/02/2010 17:16:16
Originally by: Aldrad
Originally by: Misticrevalation
Quote:
1v1 pretty much sucks nowadays, which is why I rarely do them. The tactic is to bait the guy to fire, then roll in the RR to make sure you're kept alive, unless they really suck. As annoying as RR is, its pretty much here to stay regardless of how much whining there is, and it will deter many more 1v1 "arrangements" in the future.
heh?
So....let me get this right. You brought in a fleet of neutral RR, then you proceed to whine about how "unfair" using remote reps is?
wtf?
RR always seems to be present in 1v1's nowadays, just incase the "other party" also features RRs. It's usually a matter of who's going to have to call in the RR first.
So...you want to use RR, but whine like hell when the other guy brings RR in?
Odd...
tbh Aldrad....given your record for deceit, I'm surprised I had to wait for you to admit you had neutral RR waiting.
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Aldrad
Caldari
Grey Templars
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Posted - 2010.02.09 17:19:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Misticrevalation
Edited by: Misticrevalation on 09/02/2010 17:16:16
Originally by: Aldrad
Originally by: Misticrevalation
Quote:
1v1 pretty much sucks nowadays, which is why I rarely do them. The tactic is to bait the guy to fire, then roll in the RR to make sure you're kept alive, unless they really suck. As annoying as RR is, its pretty much here to stay regardless of how much whining there is, and it will deter many more 1v1 "arrangements" in the future.
heh?
So....let me get this right. You brought in a fleet of neutral RR, then you proceed to whine about how "unfair" using remote reps is?
wtf?
RR always seems to be present in 1v1's nowadays, just incase the "other party" also features RRs. It's usually a matter of who's going to have to call in the RR first.
So...you want to use RR, but whine like hell when the other guy brings RR in?
Odd...
tbh Aldrad....given your record for deceit, I'm surprised I had to wait for you to admit you had neutral RR waiting.
tbh Mistic, you're an idiot.
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zaneyard
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.09 17:26:00 -
[56]
Get a room?
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Misticrevalation
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Posted - 2010.02.09 17:26:00 -
[57]
I believed you at your word when you said a "1 v 1". Obviously you've shown that you and your corp are happy to dishonour 1 v 1's.
Nothing gained ( maybe I'm a little wiser on 1 v 1's), nothing lost from this encounter. Only...I'd prefer it if next time you want to whine on the forums if you actually posted fact instead of inventing lines such as "both parties agreed to ....." when in actual fact, no rule was made against warping out.
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Misticrevalation
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Posted - 2010.02.11 14:07:00 -
[58]
Seeking the opinions of the Warfare + Tactics forum....
After I targeted Aldrad, one of his corpmates undocked and targeted me and started orbiting me at around 500m-1km. Aldrad said "It's ok, because he didn't actually shoot you so it's not violating the rules". I suppose that technically, he was right...in the sense that he had not broken the 1 v 1 at that point.
Is it just me or is a 1 v 1 made more complex when one of the players orders a corpmate to undock, lock the other player and start orbiting at their optimal?
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Asuka Smith
Gallente
Noir.
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Posted - 2010.02.11 15:31:00 -
[59]
A 1v1 is a fight between two individual characters, with no support, fighting however they decide before the arranged fight takes place.
They can fight to structure, armor, half shields, whatever. They can agree to fit all modules or ban ECM, ban T2 ammo, ban whatever. They could both agree to fit identical ships and see who has better SP. They can do whatever they want.
A 1v1 is only invalidated if the specific rules of the specific 1v1 are breached.
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Misticrevalation
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Posted - 2010.02.11 15:44:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Misticrevalation on 11/02/2010 15:46:28
Edited by: Misticrevalation on 11/02/2010 15:45:01
Originally by: Asuka Smith
A 1v1 is a fight between two individual characters, with no support, fighting however they decide before the arranged fight takes place.
They can fight to structure, armor, half shields, whatever. They can agree to fit all modules or ban ECM, ban T2 ammo, ban whatever. They could both agree to fit identical ships and see who has better SP. They can do whatever they want.
A 1v1 is only invalidated if the specific rules of the specific 1v1 are breached.
Where would you stand on Aldrad inviting extra corp members in combat roles to the 1 v 1?
To be fair to him, the corp member didnt actually aggress, but despite repeated requests, Aldrad refused to agree to his corp members leaving the system.
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Sumdumgoi
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Posted - 2010.02.11 21:52:00 -
[61]
a 1v1 is...
1. someone trying to make a large letter "M".
2. when two people meet and like each other a lot.
3. when someone catches you half afk ratting or mining.
4. When you want to trick someone into flagging.
5. when someone's/your friends are too many jumps away to come help.
6. when people fit their ships in ways they would never really fit them for pvp shoot each other and argue over who's the best.
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Raneru
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2010.02.12 00:08:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Sumdumgoi
a 1v1 is...
5. when someone's/your friends are too many jumps away to come help.
This. The best 1v1s are the impromptu ones that end in you winning and warping out just as the opponents buddies arrive 
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Joe Stalin
Unknown-Entity
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.12 23:28:00 -
[63]
1v1 Noun/Adjective
Definition: An agreement where an Eve player fools another Eve player into agreeing to a disadvantaged combat situation. A 1v1 consists of 3 or more ships. First the "Fooled" ship, who erroneously believes only a single individual ship will be engaged in combat with them. The "bait" ship, who agrees to a 1v1 combat with the fooled player. And lastly 1 or more "****" ships, who are waiting for orders from the bait ship before revealing themselves.
The "fooled" and "bait" ships meet, each appearing to be alone, until the fooled ship is tackled by the bait ship. At that point the "****" ship(s) are given orders to enter the battle, where the fooled ship is destroyed.
Synonyms: Gang ****, prison sex
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Joe Censored
Unknown-Entity
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.12 23:28:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Joe Stalin on 12/02/2010 23:41:53
1v1 Noun/Adjective
Definition: An agreement where an Eve player fools another Eve player into agreeing to a disadvantaged combat situation. A 1v1 consists of 3 or more ships. First the "Fooled" ship, who erroneously believes only a single individual ship will be engaged in combat with them. The "bait" ship, who agrees to a 1v1 combat with the fooled player. And lastly 1 or more "****" ships, who are waiting for orders from the bait ship before revealing themselves.
The "fooled" and "bait" ships meet, each appearing to be alone, until the fooled ship is tackled by the bait ship. At that point the "****" ship(s) are given orders to enter the battle, where the fooled ship is destroyed.
Synonyms: Gang ****, prison sex
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Sorry but only a noob thinks about things like fighting in a 1v1. 1v1 isn't how PVP works. PVP is about using any and all advantages to ruin someone else's day. It isn't about the honor of the fight, it isn't about who is better at this or that, and it isn't about who's ship is better. Its about blowing up as many enemy ships as possible using any means necessary. Trying to create some type of fantasy fair fight where you think you can control the 'rules' of the fight is just plain pathetic. "Oh now you are cheating, I said 1v1 but you brought RR!!!" "Oh my god we were doing 1v1 and no fair with that ECM!!!!" "You forfeit the 1v1 cause you cheat!" ****ing pathetic
The truth is if you can trick some moron noob into thinking you don't have backup, then all the better. PVP is a game where you destroy the enemy ships using any means necessary. There is no honor in following some artificial rules you think you can impose on the game where you try to restrict the actions of others so you can get your fake 'fair fight.' The only honor is being on the side that lost less.
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Khamal Jolstien
Caldari
RennTech
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.02.13 16:12:00 -
[65]
I always looked at it the same way I look at the rest of eve. If I get a kill, I win. If I don't, I didn't win. If I die, I lost.
Fairly simple.
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Misticrevalation
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Posted - 2010.02.24 10:40:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Misticrevalation on 24/02/2010 10:40:48
So to summarize what happened.
Aldrad agreed to a 1 v 1, but wanted to fight near his corp HQ. Upon me targeting him, his friend in Grey Templars (I was at war with Grey Templars, the corp Aldrad often rejoins, but at this point he was in a different corp) undocked and targeted me. I ask Aldrad that his friend dock, or warp away but he refuses.
He then says that "It's ok, because he wasn't actually shooting you, he was just targeting and orbiting you".
Well I'm sorry, honour or no honour, I wasn't going to aggress him with him, 1 WT orbiting me and locking me, and another WT in system. Aldrad was quick to turn the situation into a camp when it became clear I wasn't going to fight in those conditions, so I docked, fitted WCS and left.
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hedfunk
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.30 05:29:00 -
[67]
Edited by: hedfunk on 30/04/2010 05:30:43
Sorry to resurrect this thread however, I feel Aldrad should know that Misticrevalation is none other than Coronosphere which some of you may remember for being the biggest idiot on the forums in recent memory.
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/621810/page/1
Read this and laugh for hours, it's good to see he hasnt changed since then, a word of warning th Aldrad, this guy will pester you for years. (He's bothered me for the past 2 years, Also made around 200m from him tho :D)
Other characters he's used are 'Considered', although he has sold this. And Murray Illuminati, plus some other toons of equal failness.
He has a history of being a general failure, quite possible he has mental problems.
Coronosphere on BC - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Coronosphere
Many hilarious losses, missing a CNR he lost tho.
Another truly epic Coronosphere/Misticrevalation thread:
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/621524/page/1
All in all, you have a complete moron on your hands. Goodluck.
Please refrain from political commentary in your signature. Navigator
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Marlona Sky
D00M.
RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.04.30 07:49:00 -
[68]
It is the time in between the two of you engage each other and the time when the rest of his gang lands on grid.
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Taudia
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.04.30 07:57:00 -
[69]
A 1v1 is any fight involving only 2 ships, regardless of consent. You set your own victory conditions - if you're fighting a carrier in your cynabal and kill off a couple of fighters before running off, that could be considered victory for both you and your opponent.
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genette devo
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.04.30 18:27:00 -
[70]
a 1v1 is when 2 people make the same tactical error
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Misticrevalation
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Posted - 2010.05.30 00:13:00 -
[71]
It's no big secret that I was Coronosphere hedfunk.
Hope you enjoy the isk
I hope that those links include the civilian shield booster on a Raven loss? If you want to mock my ships - At least get the very best worst fit
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Darthewok
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.05.30 01:36:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Darthewok on 30/05/2010 01:46:46
sounds like a lot of your problems are because you didn't do your "duel" diligence (wheeee pun).
LOCATION
1) never duel at a station, gate or even planet or moon, use a safespot, fleet up with the opponent, either warps to the other then drops fleet, and fight begins.
(really stupid to fight at a place where passers-by can get involved or your opponent can dock)
SEPARATION
2) never arrange a duel in a system with possible buddies of your opponent around or nearby.
(really stupid to fight in systems where your opponent gets RR and fleet bonuses and reinforcements)
if you break rules 1 or 2, don't whine about it, you took the risk.
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Hereon Herinnger
Gallente
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.05.30 02:33:00 -
[73]
- No players or NPCs other than those agreeing to the 1v1 can be involved.
- What kind of idiots fight on station unless they want station games?
- A player who warps out because they fit a stab automatically loses and should die for fitting a stab in combat.
- A player who warps out because they got away can claim a draw, or something between a draw and losing.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.05.30 08:35:00 -
[74]
1vs1 is often abused to mean DUEL
1vs1 is just that, two ships fighting. A duel on the other hand is a regulated, controlled and agreed upon fight between two pilots. Common and agreed to conditions include:
- vacating the duel arena counts as a loss (docking, warping off etc.)
- receiving assistance by others counts as a loss
- duel is with specific shiptypes or ships (in which case changing ships just prior to the fight counts as a loss)
Additional conditions can be made:
- receiving structure damage counts as a loss
- acknowledging defeat counts as a loss, other duellist is required to stop fighting as soon as the other party surrenders
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The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Junkie Babe
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Posted - 2010.05.30 21:17:00 -
[75]
OK my personal opion,
If you don't destroy your target it's not a victory merely a draw as causing damage to a ship doesn't constitute victory, I could cause some damage to a titan for example and then it could leave the grid and that would make me the winner, seriously guys and gals.
Warping off / docking aren't illegal in 1 v 1 if they where you wouldn't be able to do so.
No-one in thier right mind who is losing a fight and isn't scramed is going to stay and die and posibly be podded and before anyone states that the general EVE players would I feel I must point out that if that where the case then scrams would not be standard fit.
AS the old saying goes he who runs and lives to fight another day...
So In my opion thier no dis-honour in warping off if your losing, thefault is the other player for engaging near a station or not fitting a scram,
And causing damage without killing your enemy doesn't consitute victory.
Personally I would never join a fleet with someone I was gonna duel as if he is boss he is free to invite who ever and then they can warp in at any minute.
Additionally I would check local for any corp members if anywhere present, I would not duel.
Thank you
Regards Junkie Babe
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Zzander Solus
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Posted - 2010.06.02 13:18:00 -
[76]
IMO, 1 v 1 is a random fight between only two pilots, though conditions can be agreed to such as location and any type of ships can be involved. On the other hand, a duel is a 1 v 1 arranged match between the same ships or ships of the same class; eg. Jaguar vs Jaguar or BC vs BC. Terms of a duel should be agreed upon by both parties in advance such as location, ships, and outcome (to the death or to withdraw). Stricter conventions of honor should be attached to duels.
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omgfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.06.02 13:36:00 -
[77]
Out of the last 3 1v1's I've had, 2 have been honored, and all have been won (winning dishonored 1v1 is best winning)
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wizard87
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Posted - 2010.06.02 14:27:00 -
[78]
There is no honour in Eve.
Finding an honourable opponent is like looking for a virgin in the Amsterdam Jordaan.
Then 1v1s are very rare now Eve has 20 gazillion players in every constellation.
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Zzander Solus
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Posted - 2010.06.02 16:23:00 -
[79]
Originally by: wizard87
There is no honour in Eve.
Finding an honourable opponent is like looking for a virgin in the Amsterdam Jordaan.
Then 1v1s are very rare now Eve has 20 gazillion players in every constellation.
I wouldn't say that there is no honor in Eve; it just tends to get left behind in dusty hangers along with piles of warp core stabilizers. But if two pilots agree to certain terms in an arranged 1 vs 1 fight then they both should honor their agreement.
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