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dosperado
Denial of Service
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Posted - 2011.09.20 17:43:00 -
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What about the standings tab on the character info from other players while in space? We want faction and corp standings back into the game (You can leave agent standings out)!. Removing this function has nothing to do with lag reduction. Noone and I say NOONE will click other player "standings tabs" while in a fight. And if you possibly want to generate "lag" you still can click your own standings while in space. It will still load several seconds (depending on the amount of standing entries)
If you cant see other players standings -> -roleplay gets hard -no standings push services possible (without api s*h*i*t) -difficulties to set up high sec pos (no standing info about new players in corp) -no "show off" of cool 10.0 faction and corp standings.
I'm going to lose patience...a DEV said on the forums a few months ago that you will bring back in standings....you had enough time now...
SO BRING THEM BACK IN ASAP!
Thanks. |
Arche vile
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.20 17:48:00 -
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U mad? |
Lord Ryan
Derailleurs
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Posted - 2011.09.20 18:08:00 -
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His avatar looks mad? The question is, what is you avatar doing?
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I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.09.20 18:24:00 -
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Yes, please!
How else can I properly brag with all the corp standings I have collected. And no, CCP, I will not buy pins for Aurum that I can stick on my character. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2011.09.21 07:29:00 -
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dosperado wrote:a DEV said on the forums a few months ago that you will bring back in standings.... When was this? I kept an eye on the standings removal thread on the old forum (and kept necroing it) and never saw anything to this effect.
I would say that agent standings were useful, from my perspective the tutorial and career agents in particular used to tell me where a new player was in the tutorial sequence... Now maybe most of the considerations have been with regard to 10.0 standing L4 agents but... |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.21 10:25:00 -
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The OP makes some good points, and CCP should take note. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Istvann
14th Legion Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.09.21 17:54:00 -
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I don't think the OPs avatar is mad. I think it looks like it is pouting. See the head pushed out and the eyebrows pursed together? |
Ezurae
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.21 18:27:00 -
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dosperado wrote: SO BRING THEM BACK IN ASAP!
yeah shouting has always been the right way to get someone to answer to your issue... maybe this will help you, they listen to all your problems: http://www.m0ar.org/4367 |
cornholio508
Berserking Roid Beavers Damned Nation
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Posted - 2011.09.21 20:29:00 -
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Gotta love the sarcasm in the replies here . When some one has anything of value to say all anyone seems to do is troll .
How ever i do agree with the op . Corp ceo's at least should be able to view members standings for several different reasons .
First off is the refining and manufacturing . I cant see my members standings so i dont know who has good standings for the npc corp where we have our offices . So i cant tell who to give rights to access hangers for refining ores and so on without a huge loss if its for refining . Then you also have the problem of the corps faction standings when trying to launch and anchor a pos . Its a big restriction for corps that want to expand but have a lot of members . I dont know any corp ceo that wants to kick half of his member knowing that he/she may not get them back .
It should not be a big problem for CCP to do this . The only restriction i would put on that is that standings are only viewable when members are in a corp and the standings are only viewable by thy corps members . |
Alain Kinsella
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Posted - 2011.09.22 00:16:00 -
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Dump it to a cache daily, and allow the API to query whatever is needed (or just pull everything for a specific CharacterID). If possible put in some basic access rights (i.e. if you're not in NPC corp, only corp members and +5 and above standing can pull this API).
Since its then cached, showing it in EveGate probably would not be an issue either.
That pushes the problem over to whomever needs it, instead of changing the client interface again.
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Vic Tenrach
Shooting Red Crosses
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Posted - 2011.09.23 08:38:00 -
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+1 |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.09.23 12:09:00 -
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cornholio508 wrote:Gotta love the sarcasm in the replies here . When some one has anything of value to say all anyone seems to do is troll .
How ever i do agree with the op . Corp ceo's at least should be able to view members standings for several different reasons .
First off is the refining and manufacturing . I cant see my members standings so i dont know who has good standings for the npc corp where we have our offices . So i cant tell who to give rights to access hangers for refining ores and so on without a huge loss if its for refining . Then you also have the problem of the corps faction standings when trying to launch and anchor a pos . Its a big restriction for corps that want to expand but have a lot of members . I dont know any corp ceo that wants to kick half of his member knowing that he/she may not get them back .
It should not be a big problem for CCP to do this . The only restriction i would put on that is that standings are only viewable when members are in a corp and the standings are only viewable by thy corps members .
You don't know this? Ok, I will walk you through checking your corp member's standings.
I'm not a CEO. I'm not a Director. I am a member. ANY member of your corporation can do this with ANY NPC entity, that standings are associated with, in the game and here is how it's done:
1) Bring up your character sheet. 2) Go to the "standings" group from the left side of that screen, under your char's picture. 3) Bring up the info on any agent, corporation or faction shown in the list (click the blue circle with the - i - on it) 4) Go to the standings tab on that information screen. 4) Right-click your CORPORATION'S entry in the standings portion of their info and "show composition".
That is everyone in your corporation that is effecting your organizations standings with that group, from highest to lowest, with only non-zero standings shown. It also only shows BASE standings, not with connections/diplomacy effects but this is no different than before.
Now you CAN just type in a corp name or agent name or whatever highlight and auto-link, search for them via people & places - or shuffle around through lists of agents/member corps until you get to the one of interest but the above are simple instructions that anyone can follow vs "type in.. search for..." yada.. yada... yada...
Note: The above won't work if you are in an NPC corporation; only player corporations can see this kind of info on fellow members.
As such - being as all members of a corporation can see the standings of other members towards any NPC groups - what reason do you find for exposing this beyond the OP's seeming: "I want free intel to gank mission runners!!!!"
RP? Forget it. In real life you don't know who's popular with what groups unless you get info from them and check on it - no "standings tab" to look at so get them to join and look it up or... Bluntly - learn how to role-play a bit better. Either join them or have them join your corp and see what shows.
Anyone outside your corporation doesn't deserve this kind of free intel but it is available to your members - between members and not just to management - a bit "odd" but acceptable to most. |
Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.24 14:23:00 -
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+1 |
Carola Kessler
Lost Sisters Of New Eden Freelancer Coalition
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Posted - 2011.09.24 14:57:00 -
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I agree fully to dosperados's point and support his request fully myselfs.
Also my reply to the trolls in here replying to his request in this distastefull and totally unaceptable manner better before trolling a serious person with a serious fundamented request and point think a bit before why and for what reason he brings this up, since the removal from the Corp and Faction standing visibility totally ruins a whole branch of jobs and services within new eden.
Also please have a bit respect to those players beeing in the game since its start cause some of them like dosperado really have earned it.
Sincerly
Carola Kessler |
Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.24 15:52:00 -
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I fully support this idea.The reason to reduce lag is nonsense. As stated above, no one will look at the standing tab of an character, when he is in fight with him. Following CCP's argumentation, they must remove the "Employment History" of all chars in EvE. There are chars out there whose list causes massive lag, when you have a look at them.
I believe to remeber, that there was another reason for removing the standing tab. It was to reduce the chance of harassments. No one should see where the mission runner will flight his missions. This is also far away from any reality. If CCP wishes to reduce this kind of harassments, they would remove locator agents or would change the wardec- and CONCORD mechanics. Furthermore no payout for ship losses to concord.
I see no valid reason to hide or to remove the standing tab of the characters in EvE. It brings more annoyance than improvements for some playstiles.
I also say: Bring back the standing tab for all characters. At least the standings for factions and corporations.
If CCP would like to hear my compromise; I would suggest to handle the standings like the current certificates. You can show them or not. All you have to do is set the radio button in your character sheet. |
Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.29 07:48:00 -
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BUMP - because I want it too. |
Sor'Ral
Ascendance Of New Eden
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Posted - 2011.10.02 03:02:00 -
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Mocam wrote:cornholio508 wrote:Gotta love the sarcasm in the replies here . When some one has anything of value to say all anyone seems to do is troll .
How ever i do agree with the op . Corp ceo's at least should be able to view members standings for several different reasons .
First off is the refining and manufacturing . I cant see my members standings so i dont know who has good standings for the npc corp where we have our offices . So i cant tell who to give rights to access hangers for refining ores and so on without a huge loss if its for refining . Then you also have the problem of the corps faction standings when trying to launch and anchor a pos . Its a big restriction for corps that want to expand but have a lot of members . I dont know any corp ceo that wants to kick half of his member knowing that he/she may not get them back .
It should not be a big problem for CCP to do this . The only restriction i would put on that is that standings are only viewable when members are in a corp and the standings are only viewable by thy corps members . You don't know this? Ok, I will walk you through checking your corp member's standings. I'm not a CEO. I'm not a Director. I am a member. ANY member of your corporation can do this with ANY NPC entity, that standings are associated with, in the game and here is how it's done: 1) Bring up your character sheet. 2) Go to the "standings" group from the left side of that screen, under your char's picture. 3) Bring up the info on any agent, corporation or faction shown in the list (click the blue circle with the - i - on it) 4) Go to the standings tab on that information screen. 4) Right-click your CORPORATION'S entry in the standings portion of their info and "show composition". That is everyone in your corporation that is effecting your organizations standings with that group, from highest to lowest, with only non-zero standings shown. It also only shows BASE standings, not with connections/diplomacy effects but this is no different than before. Now you CAN just type in a corp name or agent name or whatever highlight and auto-link, search for them via people & places - or shuffle around through lists of agents/member corps until you get to the one of interest but the above are simple instructions that anyone can follow vs "type in.. search for..." yada.. yada... yada... Note: The above won't work if you are in an NPC corporation; only player corporations can see this kind of info on fellow members.
As such - being as all members of a corporation can see the standings of other members towards any NPC groups - what reason do you find for exposing this beyond the OP's seeming: "I want free intel to gank mission runners!!!!" RP? Forget it. In real life you don't know who's popular with what groups unless you get info from them and check on it - no "standings tab" to look at so get them to join and look it up or... Bluntly - learn how to role-play a bit better. Either join them or have them join your corp and see what shows. Anyone outside your corporation doesn't deserve this kind of free intel but it is available to your members - between members and not just to management - a bit "odd" but acceptable to most.
OK, I just tried this rather obscure method ... it does show the list of corp members contributing to the standing, but doesn't seem to show any individual standing numbers, so you can't tell how MUCH they're contributing (or even if they are negative!).
Sorry, this seems totally useless to me ...
+1 to bring back the standings page viewable by everyone! |
cornholio508
Berserking Roid Beavers Damned Nation
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Posted - 2011.10.03 19:10:00 -
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As i said available to the corp and its members only not everyone in game . I dont care about members standings until they are in the corp and we have plans to move forward . If other corp members see the standings they can help out those individuals which in turn will help the corp and those players move forward .
I dont pay to play eve to do what seems like work after i come home from work . Something that should take mins to find out is taking hours or days depending on players availability . If the Faction and npc standings for corp members are available it means i can sort things out in mins and actually have time to play the game . Availability of these standings should only be viewable by corp itself . Not other corps . |
Svaste
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.04 00:54:00 -
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I agree bring back the standings functionality that was removed earlier this year. |
cornholio508
Berserking Roid Beavers Damned Nation
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Posted - 2011.10.09 17:01:00 -
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bump |
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namelessclone01
blackbox ops
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Posted - 2011.10.21 07:42:00 -
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/signed
bring my Caldari State 10.00 back, please! |
el alasar
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.27 21:06:00 -
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-1. no, not THIS way, but...
standings are a first of all a private thing. it is GREAT they are gone for the public. but, i agree, there needs to be a way to make them visible... this could lead into a whole new concept of eve gameplay:
getting intel on characters. e.g. by asking favors from NPC corps
make standings count, give standings more meaning than we currently have. this gets off-topic, in time i will post longer on this, just some ideas for now...
- make standings some "currency" you can cause something to happen with (consuming it with it) - open up standings to warfare, be able to cause changes in someone else's standings (to some degree, paying with your own, with concept of diminishing returns) ... - make allowance to dock depend on standing - be able to get standings based on whom you kill (the victims standings), enabling pvp for standings - make pve and pvp blend. get NPC missions to kill people hostile to their faction (destroying xx amount of their isk) to get LP and standing more little ideas that need your support: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=261507#post261507 enjoying the order cancellation confirmation? sometimes CCP listens - there is hope after all :) www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1431503 |
Carola Kessler
Lost Sisters Of New Eden Freelancer Coalition
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Posted - 2011.12.09 08:25:00 -
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Bumping up this Thread since after talking to alot of peoples also those whcih having a business in Eve called 'Standing services for POS deployment' It's about time CCP overthinks their politics in regards to their former decissions and take the removal back.
With the new render techniques and the new UI and stuff nowadys the loading from the standing infos about at least Faction standings shouldn't take anymore that long then months ago. |
el alasar
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.09 20:02:00 -
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- if you apply to a corp all personal officers should see the applicants standings - within the corp standing could/should also be visible among the members
but outside corp? it is a private information. it should not be free of charge. check the moderated little ideas/10000 papercuts/low hanging fruit article! comment, bump(!) and like what you like: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Little_things_and_ideas_-_low_hanging_fruit_-_10000_papercuts |
Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.10 14:08:00 -
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el alasar wrote: but outside corp? it is a private information. it should not be free of charge.
From Page One:
Callidus Dux wrote:I fully support this idea. (from Dosperado) [ .... ] I also say: Bring back the standing tab for all characters. At least the standings for factions and corporations. If CCP would like to hear my compromise; I would suggest to handle the standings like the current certificates. You can show them or not. All you have to do is set the radio button in your character sheet.
To make such informations optional would be a good solution
Further private informations are: - Killmails + Fittings + NEW: Implants - Employment History - Finished Contracts - All my (un)known Alts (you can easy find them through external websites) - My Position in EVE (track someone down with the help of Locator Agents) - ...
You can see, that the "private information issue" is already existent. We have several possibilities to harass someone with all the other free informations available. Anyway ... what sensitive data is provided with my standings to NPC- factions; corporations or agents, which I can't get with the help of an locator agent or another website in the internet?
!! PvP people show off their killmails they have collected. Let PvE people show their standings they have (hard) earned !!! |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
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Posted - 2011.12.10 16:10:00 -
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+1
Bring it back.
I run a standing grind service. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=19454 With removal of standings tab, the moronic 3 hour update of standing from API, and the old bug where you can't check your own standings without relogging, it's impossible to check client standings in a practical manner.
CCP could have fixed the very old bug, or made standing update from API more often then once every 3 hours. But instead, they decided to break the one thing that's working. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.12 01:14:00 -
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I agree with the OP, the NPC Corporation and Faction standing list (Not Agent) needs to be brought back.
All CCP needed to do was remove the list of Agent standings.
I wonder if there's a proposal about this issue currently active in the Assembly Hall.
As for this idea:
el alasar wrote:-1. no, not THIS way, but...
standings are a first of all a private thing. it is GREAT they are gone for the public. but, i agree, there needs to be a way to make them visible... this could lead into a whole new concept of eve gameplay:
getting intel on characters. e.g. by asking favors from NPC corps
make standings count, give standings more meaning than we currently have. this gets off-topic, in time i will post longer on this, just some ideas for now...
- make standings some "currency" you can cause something to happen with (consuming it with it) - open up standings to warfare, be able to cause changes in someone else's standings (to some degree, paying with your own, with concept of diminishing returns) ... - make allowance to dock depend on standing - be able to get standings based on whom you kill (the victims standings), enabling pvp for standings - make pve and pvp blend. get NPC missions to kill people hostile to their faction (destroying xx amount of their isk) to get LP and standing
I admit that a lot of thought went into this but everything in this idea contradicts itself. These are game-breaking ideas that can be easily exploited. Here's a few reasons why I say 'NO, NO, NO' to these ideas stated in the post.
First of all, high positive standings is very tough to gain and takes a very long time to achieve. If standings are to be considered 'Private Information' then getting that info from any source negates that 'Privacy Act'.
There's already 2 different types of 'currency' in-game. Don't need another type in-game.
Being able to change another players standing would at the very least be viewed as a personal attack, harassment and or grief play.
Docking rights based on standings is already active in-game with POS and Outposts.
Gaining standings based on PvP kills basically cuts out the PvE aspect. That alienates a large majority of players.
Having PvE and PvP blend for LP and standing gain by completing 'Bounty' missions of killing 'Wanted' or 'Unfriendly' players is another widely debated topic that needs a lot of work before being implemented. One easy way to exploit this is with disposable alts.
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Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2011.12.12 02:02:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:I agree with the OP, the NPC Corporation and Faction standing list (Not Agent) needs to be brought back.
All CCP needed to do was remove the list of Agent standings.
I wonder if there's a proposal about this issue currently active in the Assembly Hall.
If there is Bump it, and I'll redirect to it from the one I just made in the Assembly Hall not 30 min ago... Not sure how I missed this thread until just now.
Anyway, 100% support for OPers proposal to bring back visible standings. |
Rina Asanari
State War Academy Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2011.12.12 08:15:00 -
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My relations to other players, NPCs, corporations (player or NPC) are noone's business except for the directly affected party until I decide to reveal them myself.
The CEO or HR manager of a corp I'm applying to may have a valid reason to ask me for disclosure, for example, but even then I should have the option to simply decline and walk away, as it is now.
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Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
70
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Posted - 2011.12.12 13:01:00 -
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dosperado wrote:What about the standings tab on the character info from other players while in space? We want faction and corp standings back into the game (You can leave agent standings out)!. Removing this function has nothing to do with lag reduction. Noone and I say NOONE will click other player "standings tabs" while in a fight. And if you possibly want to generate "lag" you still can click your own standings while in space. It will still load several seconds (depending on the amount of standing entries)
If you cant see other players standings -> -roleplay gets hard -no standings push services possible (without api s*h*i*t) -difficulties to set up high sec pos (no standing info about new players in corp) -no "show off" of cool 10.0 faction and corp standings.
I'm going to lose patience...a DEV said on the forums a few months ago that you will bring back in standings....you had enough time now...
SO BRING THEM BACK IN ASAP!
Thanks.
It's not needed. You can see how any person in your corporation effects your organizations standings by in-game tools.
The only way I'd see this being enabled would be via costs such as an additional service from Locator Agents. Pay and you can get info. Even then, it would probably be limited to the faction of the locator agent.
Background checks on people aren't cheap and easy in real life or everyone would/could gain instant "top secret" security clearances but those cost.
-roleplay gets hard -- it enables roleplaying even more. Unless you have information available from their joining your organization, you don't get mass info on them "easily" - that takes time and effort. As such, "strangers" can claim anything they like and you won't know until it's checked by a detail search.
The only way I could see it as RP style publishing is if they could LIE and forge what shows. THAT would be RP style. Like lying on a resume - they could put anything they want on there. (at which point, I'd also go with forging of employment history).
-no standings push services possible (without api s*h*i*t) I"m not sure what you mean by "push services". What I do know is that you can, in-game, check your corporations standings with any NPC entity, right-click your corprations standings and "show composition" - this shows everyone in your organization that impacts standings with that group. If they haven't ever had contact with them, they won't show. If they have - it will show what they did.
-difficulties to set up high sec pos (no standing info about new players in corp) Again - just bring up that faction's information -> right-click the standings for your corporation -> "Show Composition". This will show who has what standings that impact your corporation's standings.
-no "show off" of cool 10.0 faction and corp standings. Put it in your bio if you want.
Honestly this is very easy to see what MEMBERS of your corporation have for standings. This adds nothing beyond invading the privacy of people who have not explicitly granted you access to their information.
Simply bring up the info on any NPC or NPC organzation in the game. Go to the Standings tab. Right-click your corporation's standings on that list and "show composition". Everyone in your corporation, that effects that standing positive or negative, shows in that listing - sorted highest standing on down.
It only prevents you from just clicking an individual and seeing every NPC entity in the game that they have interacted with - you have to check each entity one at a time and that's a hell of a lot of groups/factions but far more realistic than just pulling up a standings tab to browse someone elses info for no other reason than invasion of their privacy.
If you need to know who impacts what - check that group and they will tell you. |
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