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Alexander Renoir
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.13 14:07:00 -
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Mocam wrote: It's not needed. You can see how any person in your corporation effects your organizations standings by in-game tools.
-no standings push services possible (without api s*h*i*t) I"m not sure what you mean by "push services".
-difficulties to set up high sec pos (no standing info about new players in corp) Again - just bring up that faction's information -> right-click the standings for your corporation -> "Show Composition". This will show who has what standings that impact your corporation's standings.
-no "show off" of cool 10.0 faction and corp standings. Put it in your bio if you want.
You failed to understand the real issue behind this. You do not know, that this article ist NOT for Corp internal standings between the members of the same corp. You do not know, what a standing push service is but you have a curious position about that?  And your proposal to put the standings in the own BIO is just LOL. You think, that all details in a BIO are really 100% correct? No one would believe such crap in a BIO. 
Bring back the standingtab for all chars in EVE! |

el alasar
The Scope Gallente Federation
108
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Posted - 2011.12.13 14:21:00 -
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Mocam wrote:The only way I'd see this being enabled would be via costs such as an additional service from Locator Agents. Pay and you can get info. Even then, it would probably be limited to the faction of the locator agent.
Background checks on people aren't cheap and easy in real life or everyone would/could gain instant "top secret" security clearances but those cost.
-roleplay gets hard -- it enables roleplaying even more. Unless you have information available from their joining your organization, you don't get mass info on them "easily" - that takes time and effort. As such, "strangers" can claim anything they like and you won't know until it's checked by a detail search.
The only way I could see it as RP style publishing is if they could LIE and forge what shows. THAT would be RP style. Like lying on a resume - they could put anything they want on there. (at which point, I'd also go with forging of employment history). exactly my point. well put. +1.
there should be a cost to background info, also background info should be given within some margin of error, it should be hard to get.
check the moderated little ideas/10000 papercuts/low hanging fruit article! comment, bump(!) and like what you like: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Little_things_and_ideas_-_low_hanging_fruit_-_10000_papercuts |

Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2011.12.13 14:36:00 -
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el alasar wrote:Mocam wrote:The only way I'd see this being enabled would be via costs such as an additional service from Locator Agents. Pay and you can get info. Even then, it would probably be limited to the faction of the locator agent.
Background checks on people aren't cheap and easy in real life or everyone would/could gain instant "top secret" security clearances but those cost.
-roleplay gets hard -- it enables roleplaying even more. Unless you have information available from their joining your organization, you don't get mass info on them "easily" - that takes time and effort. As such, "strangers" can claim anything they like and you won't know until it's checked by a detail search.
The only way I could see it as RP style publishing is if they could LIE and forge what shows. THAT would be RP style. Like lying on a resume - they could put anything they want on there. (at which point, I'd also go with forging of employment history). exactly my point. well put. +1. there should be a cost to background info, also background info should be given within some margin of error, it should be hard to get.
Than again for you El: Further private informations are: - Killmails + Fittings + NEW: Implants - Employment History - Finished Contracts - All my (un)known Alts (you can easy find them through external websites) - My Position in EVE (track someone down with the help of Locator Agents) - ...
Make them cost much too or show the standings free like all the other informations above. Or remove this datas completely from EVE. No employment history; no locator agents, no killmails! |

el alasar
The Scope Gallente Federation
108
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Posted - 2011.12.13 15:06:00 -
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Callidus Dux wrote:Further private informations are: - Killmails + Fittings + NEW: Implants - Employment History - Finished Contracts - All my (un)known Alts (you can easy find them through external websites) - My Position in EVE (track someone down with the help of Locator Agents) - ... Make them cost much too or show the standings free like all the other informations above.  Or remove this datas completely from EVE. No employment history; no locator agents, no killmails! valid point. "much" is up to balancing, but all things you listed (except KM, see below) should have a cost and effort associated with it. standings are (currently) rather specific to your pve life, and sadly imho currently not utilized for game mechanics to their full potential.
killmails would be a topic on its own. all parties involved get a KM, understandable. thus it is hard to keep KM private and probably also not wanted by CCP as they are accessible through API. even if it was not, people could post their KM and make things public. check the moderated little ideas/10000 papercuts/low hanging fruit article! comment, bump(!) and like what you like: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Little_things_and_ideas_-_low_hanging_fruit_-_10000_papercuts |

Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.12.13 15:41:00 -
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Alexander Renoir wrote:Mocam wrote: It's not needed. You can see how any person in your corporation effects your organizations standings by in-game tools.
-no standings push services possible (without api s*h*i*t) I"m not sure what you mean by "push services".
-difficulties to set up high sec pos (no standing info about new players in corp) Again - just bring up that faction's information -> right-click the standings for your corporation -> "Show Composition". This will show who has what standings that impact your corporation's standings.
-no "show off" of cool 10.0 faction and corp standings. Put it in your bio if you want.
You failed to understand the real issue behind this. You do not know, that this article ist NOT for Corp internal standings between the members of the same corp. You do not know, what a standing push service is but you have a curious position about that?  And your proposal to put the standings in the own BIO is just LOL. You think, that all details in a BIO are really 100% correct? No one would believe such crap in a BIO. Bring back the standingtab for all chars in EVE!
The "real issue"? You want freebie intel that should take effort to get. That is obvious and each of your "RP" and "POS" arguments were shot down one by one, leaving what as the only reason?
This data should be on a par with what trader is involved in which products at what market hubs. That data is possible to get too but it takes a good deal of digging.
Translation: If you haven't been granted access to the data by the account holder, get off your lazy butt and dig for it.
Such info SHOULD have costs/risks associated with obtaining it. You disagree and think it should be free and take no effort - others don't agree with you. You don't seem to be garnering much support for your "cause" so are on the losing side of the debate with zip spank for arguments beyond "gimmie!!!".
The "push service" - takes having the data come up on the client - if Eve central can't get this done any cleaner than they can, with the huge amount of people interested in that info, the only way you could would be via a UI automation bot.
That is what I was getting at. Your thin interest group would need to get the data to "push" and there are very few that will sit for hours browsing user information in-game to obtain that data - but an automated ".01 isk" style bot could fairly easily be modified across to do this - generating a huge amount of queries against the game server.
Bots are frowned upon and your reply, avoiding this ugly part of your request, hints strongly at botting the date for your motivation.
So feel free to laugh - I do, at your request. |

Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2011.12.13 16:20:00 -
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el alasar wrote:Callidus Dux wrote:Further private informations are: - Killmails + Fittings + NEW: Implants - Employment History - Finished Contracts - All my (un)known Alts (you can easy find them through external websites) - My Position in EVE (track someone down with the help of Locator Agents) - ... Make them cost much too or show the standings free like all the other informations above.  Or remove this datas completely from EVE. No employment history; no locator agents, no killmails! valid point. "much" is up to balancing, but all things you listed (except KM, see below) should have a cost and effort associated with it. standings are (currently) rather specific to your pve life, and sadly imho currently not utilized for game mechanics to their full potential. killmails would be a topic on its own. all parties involved get a KM, understandable. thus it is hard to keep KM private and probably also not wanted by CCP as they are accessible through API. even if it was not, people could post their KM and make things public.
Mocam wrote: Translation: If you haven't been granted access to the data by the account holder, get off your lazy butt and dig for it.
I will repeat. Make it optional. Everyone should decide, if he /she wants to share this informations about the own standings. It seems, that everybody is fine with a solution of a OWN desicion, if I (for myself) want to show the standings or not. Make it like the certificates. But the DUMB deletion of an fundamental component of a former game play fits to the incapacity of some developers in EVE. The deletion was never wanted. But we have it. This is the same sh!t that we have NOW with the "Automated Payment" of the alliance bill. Never wanted.. but we have to deal with it.  |

sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
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Posted - 2011.12.13 16:56:00 -
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Callidus Dux wrote:el alasar wrote:Callidus Dux wrote:Further private informations are: - Killmails + Fittings + NEW: Implants - Employment History - Finished Contracts - All my (un)known Alts (you can easy find them through external websites) - My Position in EVE (track someone down with the help of Locator Agents) - ... Make them cost much too or show the standings free like all the other informations above.  Or remove this datas completely from EVE. No employment history; no locator agents, no killmails! valid point. "much" is up to balancing, but all things you listed (except KM, see below) should have a cost and effort associated with it. standings are (currently) rather specific to your pve life, and sadly imho currently not utilized for game mechanics to their full potential. killmails would be a topic on its own. all parties involved get a KM, understandable. thus it is hard to keep KM private and probably also not wanted by CCP as they are accessible through API. even if it was not, people could post their KM and make things public. Mocam wrote: Translation: If you haven't been granted access to the data by the account holder, get off your lazy butt and dig for it.
I will repeat. Make it optional. Everyone should decide, if he /she wants to share this informations about the own standings. It seems, that everybody is fine with a solution of a OWN desicion, if I (for myself) want to show the standings or not. Make it like the certificates. But the DUMB deletion of an fundamental component of a former game play fits to the incapacity of some developers in EVE. The deletion was never wanted. But we have it. This is the same sh!t that we have NOW with the "Automated Payment" of the alliance bill.  Never wanted.. but we have to deal with it. 
Exactly. All those trolls just assume that everyone want to hide their standings, when in fact all my clients want it shown. Since api updates once every 3 hours, I pester them to check their standings. If I could check it myself, they wouldn't need to go through the annoyance of relogging their clients every so often just to update standings. It's re/tarded. Why shouldn't they be able to show their standings?
And yeah, it's an unwanted feature removal. Nobody whined about standings being shown before. It wasn't even an issue. Now, suddenly it's this whole stink about virtual privacy of internet spaceships. Are you serious?
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el alasar
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.13 23:22:00 -
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sorry, i ignored that part. making it optional, so you can decide yourself, if you want stuff public, would be perfectly fine with me. check the moderated little ideas/10000 papercuts/low hanging fruit article! comment, bump(!) and like what you like: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Little_things_and_ideas_-_low_hanging_fruit_-_10000_papercuts |

sabre906
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.15 14:13:00 -
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+1 |

Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
315
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Posted - 2011.12.15 22:15:00 -
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With the latest patch, your own standings no longer update unless you relog. The bug was recently fixed with Crucible too, now it's unfixed. Lol. |

Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2011.12.15 23:29:00 -
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Private info??? Faction Standing and Corp Standing from an RP sense would not likely be private. All the people in these huge organizations are aware of your good or bad standings, yet some how Pod pilots with enormous resources at their disposal don't? Nonsense.
Gameplay, wise it helps give our characters more identity, or should we be hiding our portraits and names, corps and alliances as well Lol?
Agent standings maybe, but I imagine the objections in showing those is fear of being targeted by enemies and pirates, and nothing to do with RP. Anyway, quite satisfied to have Faction and Corp Standing only show. ... Agent info you should be able to get from Locator Agents .
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Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
315
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Posted - 2011.12.16 16:18:00 -
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Xorv wrote:Private info??? Faction Standing and Corp Standing from an RP sense would not likely be private. All the people in these huge organizations are aware of your good or bad standings, yet some how Pod pilots with enormous resources at their disposal don't? Nonsense. Gameplay, wise it helps give our characters more identity, or should we be hiding our portraits and names, corps and alliances as well Lol? Agent standings maybe, but I imagine the objections in showing those is fear of being targeted by enemies and pirates, and nothing to do with RP. Anyway, quite satisfied to have Faction and Corp Standing only show. ... Agent info you should be able to get from Locator Agents  .
"Privacy" is only a weak excuse trolls came up, since there's nothing else. Eve mentality is: if it screws you, it's good. Anything broken, unless it affects me, shouldn't be fixed. |

Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.23 11:55:00 -
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The ability to choose by yourself, if you want to show your standings, seems to be a good idea.
When can we expect these changes CCP? |

Carola Kessler
Lost Sisters Of New Eden Freelancer Coalition
11
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Posted - 2011.12.30 06:31:00 -
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And another Bump of this topic, since nobody either from CCP nor CSM gave any comment about this issue until now.
So i hope to get some CCP Dev or CSM members attention to this thread and the very valid point from the OP.
Please CCP Devs read more often the Features & Ideas Section and reply more to the topics there. |

Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.01 09:52:00 -
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Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.05 11:31:00 -
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bump |

dosperado
Denial of Service
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Posted - 2012.01.14 17:06:00 -
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Closed 2 accounts due to this issue. 3rd and final one is pending and will be closed soon.
Good job CCP! |

Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.05 10:09:00 -
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Another bump for this thread. Please have a look to this issue CCP. Both sides have, more or less, valid arguments. Include a mechanism to make the showing of our standings optional.
This should be easy to be implemented and would help all participants. |

Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
141
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Posted - 2012.02.22 09:51:00 -
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another bump - till this problem is solved |

Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
147
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Posted - 2012.03.01 19:32:00 -
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Hiho o/ |

Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
147
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Posted - 2012.03.08 20:50:00 -
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bump |

Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.03.08 21:06:00 -
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Lord Ryan wrote: His avatar looks mad. The question is, what is you avatar doing?
Wiping hot pocket sauce off the flight controls. |

Eve Mione
Eve Industry Unlimited
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Posted - 2012.03.10 01:36:00 -
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In my honest opinion, this feature should not have been touched or in the least, completely removing the ability to check other pilots standings towards Empire Faction and NPC Corporations. The lag generated by this list was usually from the agents standings, making them either optional and or hidden tab if we so desired to load them. I too await some kind of answer as to why this has not been addressed and fixed. - Please fix or comment CCP
*Bump for justice. *EDITED: For grammar/spelling. |

Bridget Banks
Mirrage Inc.
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Posted - 2012.03.10 16:30:00 -
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+1
Don't think anyone care about agents standings, that can be left out. |

dosperado
Denial of Service
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Posted - 2012.03.20 11:12:00 -
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CCP Spitwrite wrote on 2011.05.27 06:03:00:
TOPIC: WE CANT SEE CROSS NPC STANDINGS!!!
http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1513595&page=3#89
Hello everyone,
Sorry for the delayed response. Unfortunately I cannot provide any specifics at this point, but let's just say that the team working on these changes is aware of the issues. I hope to have some more information for you next week (fingers crossed).
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Nearly ONE (1!!!) year later and still NO SOLUTION and NO ANSWER to that! What a shame. Facepalm.
CCP, I thought you wanted to listen to your playerbase again. I am wrong. |

Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
150
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Posted - 2012.03.20 16:49:00 -
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Do not give up Dos! I hope CCP will bring back the standings for factions and corps.  |

Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
150
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Posted - 2012.03.28 07:06:00 -
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Another bump to bring this issue on top. Can someone at CCP say something to this idea? Are you working on it or do you just ignore the community- against your former statements? |

Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
151
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Posted - 2012.04.03 08:03:00 -
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Back to top! |

Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
151
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Posted - 2012.04.06 16:12:00 -
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[u]To CCP Spitfire or any other Employee @CCP's DEV Team:[/u
as you stated on the [url=http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1513595&page=3#89]2011.05.27 06:03:00[/url with your post #89; I would like to remind you to provide us (THE COMMUNITY) with new details concerning this issue with the current, useless standing tab.
How should we think about the statement that "the team working on these changes is aware of the issues" and that you or another DEV from CCP would "have some more information for you next week (fingers crossed)" ? This promise was not just one week ago till now.. it is now nearly one year. It is a legit request from your customer that you re enable the functionality of the standing tab! |

Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
151
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:36:00 -
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bump |
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