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Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.01.31 06:59:00 - [31] Originally by: Krinthe Wait...what? YOU have been extorting isk from miners, who claim to be miners, but are in fact, actually carebears in 0.0 space who may or may not be macroing their mining habits? Im not sure im following. Why do YOU care what others are doing? If thats how they want to play, who are YOU to say they are wrong for playing it that way? If its against the EULA to macro, then shouldnt CCP be the ones who police these individuals? If you have been extorting 500 to 1B per character, then why would you want to get rid of them? Sounds to me you have a cash cow but for some reason, now that YOU have gotten your funds from their ILLEGALITY, you want to try and dishonor and embarrass them and possibly get them banned from the game? BUT YOU PROFITED FROM THEIR ILLEGALITY, which in turn, makes you no better. Perhaps everyone here who reads your thread should go out and gank you for being a butthole. You sound like to me to be one of those people in high school who skips class along with several others..You got caught but the others didnt. You cant skip anymore but now you feel as though the others shouldnt skip either so you rat them out. They are mining in hi-sec, all belong to noob corps, are all 6+ months of age and many of them mine 23/7. I have created this thread to encourage the owner of the 20 or so accounts to give me isk. I care what this guy is doing because I see the potential to make isk from him. I have not revealed the names of anyone I have extorted in the past.
Herty The Sexy Carebear Boredom Convention	Posted - 2010.01.31 07:08:00 - [32] Originally by: Patri Andari Originally by: Herty Originally by: Patri Andari Originally by: Pater Peccavi It's like that guy who tried blackmailing Letterman, except no one cares. Nevermind, it's exactly like that guy who tried blackmailing Letterman. Sorta but not exactly. It is the macro accusation that makes it different and ( I suppose the OP thinks) gives leverage. Chest beating that all your isk comes from pee vee pee and that you despise carebears only to be found out to have care bear alts funding you is a bit embarrassing, but hardly extortionable. On the other hand, having it revealed that you operate a mining macro farm? Well THAT has some juice. Letterman had an affair. It offends his family but no laws were broken and there is no actionable offense. Macros lead to a ban as that violates EULA. Therein lies the difference. Just saying Most pvpers have a trade or mining alt its not a big deal. Hell Helicity organized hulkageddon and has admitted multiple times that he has a hulk alt making him isk to fund pvp. Do you think I really care? People gotta make isk somehow and low sec piracy doesn't usually pay the bills if you like to have a good time and take some risks. I am going to assume you did not read that all of that quote you posted, brah. Because if you did you would see I said it was no big deal to have a carebear alt. It is the macro accusation that gives weight. Back away from the keyboard and put on your reading glasses. I highlighted it for ya. You said it was embarassing....
Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.01.31 08:04:00 - [33] UPDATE FOR THOSE THAT CARE It turns out that the 20 mining accounts belong to more than one person. Its a small group of guys working together. One of them (owns 2 of the accounts) has decided that I'm not BSing and has offered me 1.5b. He has asked that this 1.5b cover all 20 of the accounts as they rely on each other to run a manufacturing operation. Unfortunately this guys mates wont chip in to come up with a reasonable amount. I have offered to not release the names of 3 chars for that amount of isk but he has declined. He has assured me he is poor (which he may be) but I know his buddies have recently spent 25b on a single char and tens of billions on other chars over the last few months. Guess ill just wait and see what happens as Tuesday approaches.
superteds	Posted - 2010.01.31 09:40:00 - [34] Originally by: Onata Ahari UPDATE FOR THOSE THAT CARE It turns out that the 20 mining accounts belong to more than one person. Its a small group of guys working together. One of them (owns 2 of the accounts) has decided that I'm not BSing and has offered me 1.5b. He has asked that this 1.5b cover all 20 of the accounts as they rely on each other to run a manufacturing operation. Unfortunately this guys mates wont chip in to come up with a reasonable amount. I have offered to not release the names of 3 chars for that amount of isk but he has declined. He has assured me he is poor (which he may be) but I know his buddies have recently spent 25b on a single char and tens of billions on other chars over the last few months. Guess ill just wait and see what happens as Tuesday approaches. don't think anyone gives a **** m8
Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.01.31 09:59:00 - [35] Originally by: superteds Originally by: Onata Ahari UPDATE FOR THOSE THAT CARE It turns out that the 20 mining accounts belong to more than one person. Its a small group of guys working together. One of them (owns 2 of the accounts) has decided that I'm not BSing and has offered me 1.5b. He has asked that this 1.5b cover all 20 of the accounts as they rely on each other to run a manufacturing operation. Unfortunately this guys mates wont chip in to come up with a reasonable amount. I have offered to not release the names of 3 chars for that amount of isk but he has declined. He has assured me he is poor (which he may be) but I know his buddies have recently spent 25b on a single char and tens of billions on other chars over the last few months. Guess ill just wait and see what happens as Tuesday approaches. don't think anyone gives a **** m8 Think you might be right.
Grunanca Final Agony	Posted - 2010.01.31 11:59:00 - [36] Edited by: Grunanca on 31/01/2010 12:00:41 Originally by: Onata Ahari Originally by: superteds Originally by: Onata Ahari UPDATE FOR THOSE THAT CARE It turns out that the 20 mining accounts belong to more than one person. Its a small group of guys working together. One of them (owns 2 of the accounts) has decided that I'm not BSing and has offered me 1.5b. He has asked that this 1.5b cover all 20 of the accounts as they rely on each other to run a manufacturing operation. Unfortunately this guys mates wont chip in to come up with a reasonable amount. I have offered to not release the names of 3 chars for that amount of isk but he has declined. He has assured me he is poor (which he may be) but I know his buddies have recently spent 25b on a single char and tens of billions on other chars over the last few months. Guess ill just wait and see what happens as Tuesday approaches. don't think anyone gives a **** m8 Think you might be right. Hello! I have a hauler alt Arrunca, he can fly a hulk and I think he actually owns one somewhere in EVE though I'm not sure as I havent mined for years. He also holds my isk and he even did a scam once! Can you please extort me? Ill send you an exotic dancer! Oh and btw... Noone cares about this thread! Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Cerisia Lone Star enterprises Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.31 12:30:00 - [37] Cool story bro..........
ShadowMaiden Amarr Metal Machine	Posted - 2010.01.31 13:38:00 - [38] Originally by: Mara Tessidar I think you should find something better to do with your time. A rare moment of irony from an MMO player there
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.01.31 14:07:00 - [39] So wait, the OP has publically admitted to taking payoffs from macroers? Any reason he shouldn't be petitioned and the dirty ISK removed from his wallet?
Lucas Lucias	Posted - 2010.01.31 14:46:00 - [40] I approve of this service...

Arekhon Eternal Perseverance	Posted - 2010.01.31 15:01:00 - [41] Originally by: Onata Ahari Originally by: Pater Peccavi It's like that guy who tried blackmailing Letterman, except no one cares. Nevermind, it's exactly like that guy who tried blackmailing Letterman. Maybe the guy doesnt care. Maybe I'll end up throwing isk at something that wont pay off. I wont lose any sleep if you dont care. macroer trying to remove competition from his system(s)
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.01.31 15:27:00 - [42] Quote: Im working on the assumption that many of them will be macro miners Stop assuming. Detecting wether someone is macroing or not is easy since they behave in a certain way you should know well (unless you are bluffing). Quote: I just found it interesting that players that I thought would have detested carebears were using dedicated noob corp characters to mine for extended periods of time. One of these players was involved in hulkageddon II. Why, we are in EvE not in Hello Kitty Online. It's trivially obvious that some / several ganking the hulks had their agenda: pushing hulks prices up (they make them), removing competitors, pushing (pretend to) mineral prices up... It's also trivially obvious that since you don't have issues milking macros, you are out on your own agenda, possibly involving replacing their macros with yours. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Cipher Jones	Posted - 2010.01.31 16:44:00 - [43] I don't know if the OP is telling the truth or just trolling, but people that can't understand how one could extort ISK from the knowledge kinda worry me. Here's how it works: You do a lot of PvP, you kill a lot of people. You have multiple hulks to pay for your PvP operating expenses. Theres a lot of ****ed off people out there who you killed that would LOVE to see you... 1. lose a 200mil isk ship 2. lose income that funds your pvp And thats for the ones that aren't macro'ing. The ones that are would pay a pretty penny to keep it under wraps.
NyteTyger Gallente NiteSun Enterprises	Posted - 2010.01.31 17:35:00 - [44] Originally by: Cipher Jones I don't know if the OP is telling the truth or just trolling, but people that can't understand how one could extort ISK from the knowledge kinda worry me. Here's how it works: You do a lot of PvP, you kill a lot of people. You have multiple hulks to pay for your PvP operating expenses. Theres a lot of **ed off people out there who you killed that would LOVE to see you... 1. lose a 200mil isk ship 2. lose income that funds your pvp And thats for the ones that aren't macro'ing. The ones that are would pay a pretty penny to keep it under wraps. Pretty much what I was thinking. There's a potential there to severely disrupt isk flow. If these are 0.0 players like the op said, a list of isk alts could indeed be valuable to opposing parties. The ire this thread has attracted amuses me, though. Seeing the ***ing made me wonder 'Worried about your mining alt?' __________________________________________ It's a do or die universe, so you better damn well choose between one or the other.
Patri Andari Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer	Posted - 2010.01.31 17:35:00 - [45] Originally by: Herty You said it was embarassing.... You think it's not? Read it in context mate. s l o w l y. Quote: Chest beating that all your isk comes from pee vee pee and that you despise carebears only to be found out to have care bear alts funding you is a bit embarrassing, but hardly extortionable. See this is similar to an "if, then" statement. IF: One represents that all their isk comes from PVP AND: One makes posts reviling carebears. AND: One is found to have multiple mining alts funding their accounts. THEN: It would be embarrassing. It is not the carebear activity that is embarrassing. Most people are embarrassed when they are caught in an inconsistency, perhaps not all. I do find it interesting how this topic seems to rattle a few cages. Please carry on! Patri I'll Roshambo you for that Titan
Chipan Asty	Posted - 2010.01.31 18:09:00 - [46] **** me, C&P is so depressing these days. Please, someone pass me a hand-held rail gun to efficiently evacuate my brains from my skull.
Llyandrian Amarr Livestock Science Exchange	Posted - 2010.01.31 19:35:00 - [47] Originally by: NyteTyger Originally by: Cipher Jones I don't know if the OP is telling the truth or just trolling, but people that can't understand how one could extort ISK from the knowledge kinda worry me. Here's how it works: You do a lot of PvP, you kill a lot of people. You have multiple hulks to pay for your PvP operating expenses. Theres a lot of **ed off people out there who you killed that would LOVE to see you... 1. lose a 200mil isk ship 2. lose income that funds your pvp And thats for the ones that aren't macro'ing. The ones that are would pay a pretty penny to keep it under wraps. Pretty much what I was thinking. There's a potential there to severely disrupt isk flow. If these are 0.0 players like the op said, a list of isk alts could indeed be valuable to opposing parties. The ire this thread has attracted amuses me, though. Seeing the ***ing made me wonder 'Worried about your mining alt?' +1 Thinks some bad people are scared they lose their carebear alts. I always safe in station trading so won't work on me. Maybe OP could prove his super secret method and tell who my main bad boy is ?
Grunanca Final Agony	Posted - 2010.01.31 23:00:00 - [48] Originally by: Cipher Jones I don't know if the OP is telling the truth or just trolling, but people that can't understand how one could extort ISK from the knowledge kinda worry me. Here's how it works: You do a lot of PvP, you kill a lot of people. You have multiple hulks to pay for your PvP operating expenses. Theres a lot of ****ed off people out there who you killed that would LOVE to see you... 1. lose a 200mil isk ship 2. lose income that funds your pvp And thats for the ones that aren't macro'ing. The ones that are would pay a pretty penny to keep it under wraps. If you are good enough at pvp to have so many personal enemies you are also smart enough to know that mining is one of the slowest ways of making isk. So your point is kinda moot... Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist My sig got owned and it looked good:-(
Shigsy D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2010.01.31 23:41:00 - [49] Confirming I have 4 hulk accounts. (I'm not joking)
Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.01.31 23:55:00 - [50] Originally by: Grunanca Originally by: Cipher Jones I don't know if the OP is telling the truth or just trolling, but people that can't understand how one could extort ISK from the knowledge kinda worry me. Here's how it works: You do a lot of PvP, you kill a lot of people. You have multiple hulks to pay for your PvP operating expenses. Theres a lot of ****ed off people out there who you killed that would LOVE to see you... 1. lose a 200mil isk ship 2. lose income that funds your pvp And thats for the ones that aren't macro'ing. The ones that are would pay a pretty penny to keep it under wraps. If you are good enough at pvp to have so many personal enemies you are also smart enough to know that mining is one of the slowest ways of making isk. So your point is kinda moot... Hi-sec mining may make the least isk per hour but id like to see you make more a year than a fleet of macro miners running 23/7. The average hulk pilot makes 4-5m an hour. Thats about 100m per day. If you have say... 20 accounts thats 2b a day, 14b a week and 728b a year. While plex for 20 accounts adds up id say its worth it for them.

Patri Andari Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer	Posted - 2010.02.01 02:22:00 - [51] Originally by: Onata Ahari Hi-sec mining may make the least isk per hour but id like to see you make more a year than a fleet of macro miners running 23/7. The average hulk pilot makes 4-5m an hour. Thats about 100m per day. If you have say... 20 accounts thats 2b a day, 14b a week and 728b a year. While plex for 20 accounts adds up id say its worth it for them. With those kind of figures you clearly are not extorting enough! Get back out there and extort, Extort, EXTORT! Patri I'll Roshambo you for that Titan
Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.02.01 02:40:00 - [52] Originally by: Patri Andari Originally by: Onata Ahari Hi-sec mining may make the least isk per hour but id like to see you make more a year than a fleet of macro miners running 23/7. The average hulk pilot makes 4-5m an hour. Thats about 100m per day. If you have say... 20 accounts thats 2b a day, 14b a week and 728b a year. While plex for 20 accounts adds up id say its worth it for them. With those kind of figures you clearly are not extorting enough! Get back out there and extort, Extort, EXTORT! The guys im extorting atm only have 8-10 of their mining accounts going at any one time. Not sure why. Maybe they are limited by hardware. They have also been spending a lot on characters and other assets lately so they probably dont have a lot of liquid isk.
Omgah The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.02.01 03:11:00 - [53] How about naming the people behind this operation, other wise no one cares.
Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.02.01 10:41:00 - [54] Clock is ticking guys. You have one day left to send me a reasonable offer. You are not taking a risk if you fail to meet the deadline. You are betting against a sure thing.
Flauschig Katzchen	Posted - 2010.02.01 13:28:00 - [55] People belonging to major 0.0 corps/alliances are well aware of, can deal with, sometimes cause, and accept high-sec miner gankings. Anyone who gives you money is lazy and rich. I wish you the best in your endeavor. ------ sig
oolk	Posted - 2010.02.01 16:39:00 - [56] Almost entertained...sub.
Winterjack	Posted - 2010.02.01 16:52:00 - [57] Originally by: Onata Ahari Clock is ticking guys. You have one day left to send me a reasonable offer. You are not taking a risk if you fail to meet the deadline. You are betting against a sure thing. You know, you should try to scam noobs. If this worked, I'd be laughing my buttocks off the chair at whomever fell for it. You're not even smart enough as to make a credible scam attempt.
Shawshanke	Posted - 2010.02.01 17:46:00 - [58] I know of some people who are doing stuff in this game. If I do not receive 3 isk, a civilian 75mm railgun and a dead rat within the hour I will tattle tell on them to ccp about the stuff they are doing. Time is ticking away.
zarlack coldhand	Posted - 2010.02.01 18:00:00 - [59] Why will they care if you tell ppl that they have mining alts? Why would they or any one pay you any thing because your going to post there names here big woop. Only 1's that may need to have a slight worry are Macro farms and then not much more then stop for a week or so then back to Biz. Well I really like that mineral prices are going up please blow up more AFK Miners but leave the rest of us in peace
Modahn Etch Death of Virtue	Posted - 2010.02.01 18:15:00 - [60] Didn't read any previous posts but extorting ISK out of people by using evidence of RMT will get you all banned. If you make ISK from it, you're banned. You might even get banned for knowing that they're involved in RMT. Report it, or don't, your choice. All that glitters is not without a cyno.



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