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Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.01.30 23:21:00 - [1] I have been linking many mining accounts together to extort their owners and have found a lot of them are mining alts of big 0.0 alliance members and even some of the regulars in C&P. Usually its 2-4 noob corp miners and a main. I have been extorting these guys for 500m to 1b per mining char and business has been pretty good. I have recently linked a very wealthy PvPer to about 20 mining accounts. This is the largest number of accounts I have linked to any one person. Rather than fly around eve looking for these miners I have decided I will post the names of them here in CCP. I will release their names one by one every two hours starting after downtime on Tuesday the 2nd. I will pay a large amount of isk (amount to be decided) to whoever destroys the hulk and pod of the named character. If any of the miners are suspected of being macros they will also be reported. The last couple of characters I name will be mains. To fill some time between now and Tuesday: If this guy turns out to be involved in RMT do you think any isk I get out of him will be taken by CCP? How much isk do you think I should be demanding? How much isk should I be paying for each Hulk+Pod kill? How widespread do you think the use of dedicated mining accounts by PvP players is?
Mara Tessidar	Posted - 2010.01.30 23:22:00 - [2] I think you should find something better to do with your time.
Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.01.30 23:29:00 - [3] Originally by: Mara Tessidar I think you should find something better to do with your time. This pays too well.
Leon Dalmasca Gallente Unknown Soldiers Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.01.30 23:43:00 - [4] This seems interesting, go on
Ran Khanon Amarr Vengeance Innovations	Posted - 2010.01.30 23:51:00 - [5] imagines Helicity Boson PhD, running 20 hulking alt accounts The scandal! p.s. How do you link miner accounts to these well known mains you talk of? Hanging around in belts for hours and hoping to spot them?
crastar	Posted - 2010.01.31 00:03:00 - [6] How interesting!!! Wait no, the other thing, tedious.
Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.01.31 00:08:00 - [7] Originally by: Ran Khanon imagines Helicity Boson PhD, running 20 hulking alt accounts The scandal! p.s. How do you link miner accounts to these well known mains you talk of? Hanging around in belts for hours and hoping to spot them? Its pretty easy actually though id rather not give it away just yet. I'll be keeping an eye on them over the next few days and id rather them not know how im doing it (and they dont). It will be obvious to many people that read this but i ask that you dont reveal until the extortion attempt succeeds or fails.
Llyandrian Amarr Livestock Science Exchange	Posted - 2010.01.31 00:09:00 - [8] Sceptical, but interested in seeing how this plays out.
Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.01.31 00:15:00 - [9] Originally by: crastar How interesting!!! Wait no, the other thing, tedious. Im hoping to make in excess of 10b. So while it may be tedious i think the payout will be worth it in the end. If it ends the way i hope it will...
Jordon Spikes	Posted - 2010.01.31 00:29:00 - [10] Edited by: Jordon Spikes on 31/01/2010 00:30:14 Originally by: Onata Ahari Originally by: crastar How interesting!!! Wait no, the other thing, tedious. Im hoping to make in excess of 10b. So while it may be tedious i think the payout will be worth it in the end. If it ends the way i hope it will... i hope you dont wait long.

Tameris Khan	Posted - 2010.01.31 00:46:00 - [11] I'm going to call bull** on this attention whoring post. I'm no stranger to the extortion business myself, and I've simply one question to ask: If what the OP says, is true, why would he be here telling us about it? That many PVPers have bear alts is no secret, in fact its the very point so frequently made right here on See & Pee when butthurt bears bandy about the "but you need us, we don't need you!" line! So it's doubtful the OP is extorting isks by threat of revealing the link between main and bear alts; heck I know I'd not pay, would you? Then he offers to pay to gank these alts? Dunno about you, but I gank hulks for free, this smells more like the OP is looking for a private army for some personal vendetta. Why not just gank them yourself or hire mercs? Why in your own well? (if indeed it exists) Quote:** How much isk do you think I should be demanding? You tell me, you claim to be the expert!
Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.01.31 01:05:00 - [12] Originally by: Tameris Khan I'm going to call bull** on this attention whoring post. I'm no stranger to the extortion business myself, and I've simply one question to ask: If what the OP says, is true, why would he be here telling us about it? That many PVPers have bear alts is no secret, in fact its the very point so frequently made right here on See & Pee when butthurt bears bandy about the "but you need us, we don't need you!" line! So it's doubtful the OP is extorting isks by threat of revealing the link between main and bear alts; heck I know I'd not pay, would you? Then he offers to pay to gank these alts? Dunno about you, but I gank hulks for free, this smells more like the OP is looking for a private army for some personal vendetta. Why not just gank them yourself or hire mercs? Why in your own well? (if indeed it exists) Quote:** How much isk do you think I should be demanding? You tell me, you claim to be the expert! I am posting here because I may need a number of hulks ganked. And while many claim they gank hulks for free this has not been the case for me in the past. If you are offering to gank the hulks for free then I will give you the names on Tuesday. Id be very surprised if you accepted. Im working on the assumption that many of them will be macro miners. Closer investigation may lead to petitions and petitions may lead to bans. The inability to use so many mining accounts would have a substantial impact on their wallet. This is my leverage. I'm by no means an expert. I have never come across anything of this scale.
William Caldon Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.01.31 01:24:00 - [13] Calling BS BS & BS on this.
Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.01.31 01:58:00 - [14] It's my mining army, just to spoil the op's fun before his stupid game comes into play. ~ Soar Like a Penguin
Mara Tessidar	Posted - 2010.01.31 02:14:00 - [15] Yeah since when did having a carebear alt in addition to a PvP toon become extortionable? Last time I checked it was since never.
Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.01.31 02:21:00 - [16] Originally by: Mara Tessidar Yeah since when did having a carebear alt in addition to a PvP toon become extortionable? Last time I checked it was since never. Well maybe you should check again Mara. You can start by reading what I wrote a couple of posts back.
Herty The Sexy Carebear Boredom Convention	Posted - 2010.01.31 02:28:00 - [17] Do I have mining alts??? But seriously you need a way to pay for pvp. Some people scam, some are mercs, some rat in their spare time, and some having mining alts. Also are you saying you are looking for mercs?
Thelma Todd	Posted - 2010.01.31 02:30:00 - [18] If my alt gets ganked then WhyyyIaaughtaaa......oh wait.
Increm	Posted - 2010.01.31 02:56:00 - [19] Wow, normally I just lurk and read the hilarity on this forum, but this trolling deserves a post. I call huge BS. Lets walk through this shall we? You magically figure out who owns a few alts (I'd like to hear how you figured this out short of asking them). You imply with this thread that it is some sin for them to do so in the first place. And now you are trying to extort them? FOR HAVING MONEY MAKING ALTS? This has to be the stupidest thing I've seen in a while. What, are they supposed to be at your knees begging you not to let EVE know that they have mining alts? Nobody gives a flying f***, especially them. This is just a private army request, nothing more.
Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.01.31 03:01:00 - [20] Originally by: Herty Do I have mining alts??? But seriously you need a way to pay for pvp. Some people scam, some are mercs, some rat in their spare time, and some having mining alts. Also are you saying you are looking for mercs? And I extort those who have put themselves into a position in which it is possible for me to do so. This is one of the ways in which I make isk. I just found it interesting that players that I thought would have detested carebears were using dedicated noob corp characters to mine for extended periods of time. One of these players was involved in hulkageddon II. I have nothing against the guys I extort. I just want their isk. I have been thinking how Im going to do this gank thing and have decided the above method isnt going to work. Once I give out the name of one character the others could easily be linked back to it and my leverage is gone. I think ill give out one or two names to various mercs through alts. If i cant work something out with the target I will post all his characters names here for anyone that is interested. I will also go ahead and petition any that i think are macro miners for making me pay mercs and getting nothing in return.

SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Holdings	Posted - 2010.01.31 03:04:00 - [21] yer dum
Smacktalking Alt	Posted - 2010.01.31 03:53:00 - [22] I have a list right here of 81 known macro miners linked to characters in major PvP corps! What? You want to see the list? You must be a macro miner sympathizer! ------------------------------------------------- The world is a dangerous place for stupid people; their one advantage is strength in numbers.
Aralieus Amarr Traumark Logistics H Y E N A	Posted - 2010.01.31 04:40:00 - [23] So... Fortune favors the bold!!!
Pater Peccavi Minmatar The Bastards	Posted - 2010.01.31 05:21:00 - [24] It's like that guy who tried blackmailing Letterman, except no one cares. Nevermind, it's exactly like that guy who tried blackmailing Letterman. _________
Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.01.31 05:45:00 - [25] Originally by: Pater Peccavi It's like that guy who tried blackmailing Letterman, except no one cares. Nevermind, it's exactly like that guy who tried blackmailing Letterman. Maybe the guy doesnt care. Maybe I'll end up throwing isk at something that wont pay off. I wont lose any sleep if you dont care.
Patri Andari Caldari	Posted - 2010.01.31 05:57:00 - [26] Originally by: Pater Peccavi It's like that guy who tried blackmailing Letterman, except no one cares. Nevermind, it's exactly like that guy who tried blackmailing Letterman. Sorta but not exactly. It is the macro accusation that makes it different and ( I suppose the OP thinks) gives leverage. Chest beating that all your isk comes from pee vee pee and that you despise carebears only to be found out to have care bear alts funding you is a bit embarrassing, but hardly extortionable. On the other hand, having it revealed that you operate a mining macro farm? Well THAT has some juice. Letterman had an affair. It offends his family but no laws were broken and there is no actionable offense. Macros lead to a ban as that violates EULA. Therein lies the difference. Just saying Patri I'll Roshambo you for that Titan
Krinthe Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.01.31 06:37:00 - [27] Wait...what? YOU have been extorting isk from miners, who claim to be miners, but are in fact, actually carebears in 0.0 space who may or may not be macroing their mining habits? Im not sure im following. Why do YOU care what others are doing? If thats how they want to play, who are YOU to say they are wrong for playing it that way? If its against the EULA to macro, then shouldnt CCP be the ones who police these individuals? If you have been extorting 500 to 1B per character, then why would you want to get rid of them? Sounds to me you have a cash cow but for some reason, now that YOU have gotten your funds from their ILLEGALITY, you want to try and dishonor and embarrass them and possibly get them banned from the game? BUT YOU PROFITED FROM THEIR ILLEGALITY, which in turn, makes you no better. Perhaps everyone here who reads your thread should go out and gank you for being a butthole. You sound like to me to be one of those people in high school who skips class along with several others..You got caught but the others didnt. You cant skip anymore but now you feel as though the others shouldnt skip either so you rat them out. A 10th of all I earn I keep for myself.
Herty The Sexy Carebear Boredom Convention	Posted - 2010.01.31 06:43:00 - [28] Originally by: Patri Andari Originally by: Pater Peccavi It's like that guy who tried blackmailing Letterman, except no one cares. Nevermind, it's exactly like that guy who tried blackmailing Letterman. Sorta but not exactly. It is the macro accusation that makes it different and ( I suppose the OP thinks) gives leverage. Chest beating that all your isk comes from pee vee pee and that you despise carebears only to be found out to have care bear alts funding you is a bit embarrassing, but hardly extortionable. On the other hand, having it revealed that you operate a mining macro farm? Well THAT has some juice. Letterman had an affair. It offends his family but no laws were broken and there is no actionable offense. Macros lead to a ban as that violates EULA. Therein lies the difference. Just saying Most pvpers have a trade or mining alt its not a big deal. Hell Helicity organized hulkageddon and has admitted multiple times that he has a hulk alt making him isk to fund pvp. Do you think I really care? People gotta make isk somehow and low sec piracy doesn't usually pay the bills if you like to have a good time and take some risks.
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2010.01.31 06:51:00 - [29] Originally by: Onata Ahari How widespread do you think the use of dedicated mining accounts by PvP players is? Not mining, that a bit nooby. But certainly I know people that have a POS and inventor to keep them in ISK.
Patri Andari Caldari	Posted - 2010.01.31 06:52:00 - [30] Originally by: Herty Originally by: Patri Andari Originally by: Pater Peccavi It's like that guy who tried blackmailing Letterman, except no one cares. Nevermind, it's exactly like that guy who tried blackmailing Letterman. Sorta but not exactly. It is the macro accusation that makes it different and ( I suppose the OP thinks) gives leverage. Chest beating that all your isk comes from pee vee pee and that you despise carebears only to be found out to have care bear alts funding you is a bit embarrassing, but hardly extortionable. On the other hand, having it revealed that you operate a mining macro farm? Well THAT has some juice. Letterman had an affair. It offends his family but no laws were broken and there is no actionable offense. Macros lead to a ban as that violates EULA. Therein lies the difference. Just saying Most pvpers have a trade or mining alt its not a big deal. Hell Helicity organized hulkageddon and has admitted multiple times that he has a hulk alt making him isk to fund pvp. Do you think I really care? People gotta make isk somehow and low sec piracy doesn't usually pay the bills if you like to have a good time and take some risks. I am going to assume you did not read that all of that quote you posted, brah. Because if you did you would see I said it was no big deal to have a carebear alt. It is the macro accusation that gives weight. Back away from the keyboard and put on your reading glasses. I highlighted it for ya. Patri I'll Roshambo you for that Titan

Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.01.31 06:59:00 - [31] Originally by: Krinthe Wait...what? YOU have been extorting isk from miners, who claim to be miners, but are in fact, actually carebears in 0.0 space who may or may not be macroing their mining habits? Im not sure im following. Why do YOU care what others are doing? If thats how they want to play, who are YOU to say they are wrong for playing it that way? If its against the EULA to macro, then shouldnt CCP be the ones who police these individuals? If you have been extorting 500 to 1B per character, then why would you want to get rid of them? Sounds to me you have a cash cow but for some reason, now that YOU have gotten your funds from their ILLEGALITY, you want to try and dishonor and embarrass them and possibly get them banned from the game? BUT YOU PROFITED FROM THEIR ILLEGALITY, which in turn, makes you no better. Perhaps everyone here who reads your thread should go out and gank you for being a butthole. You sound like to me to be one of those people in high school who skips class along with several others..You got caught but the others didnt. You cant skip anymore but now you feel as though the others shouldnt skip either so you rat them out. They are mining in hi-sec, all belong to noob corps, are all 6+ months of age and many of them mine 23/7. I have created this thread to encourage the owner of the 20 or so accounts to give me isk. I care what this guy is doing because I see the potential to make isk from him. I have not revealed the names of anyone I have extorted in the past.
Herty The Sexy Carebear Boredom Convention	Posted - 2010.01.31 07:08:00 - [32] Originally by: Patri Andari Originally by: Herty Originally by: Patri Andari Originally by: Pater Peccavi It's like that guy who tried blackmailing Letterman, except no one cares. Nevermind, it's exactly like that guy who tried blackmailing Letterman. Sorta but not exactly. It is the macro accusation that makes it different and ( I suppose the OP thinks) gives leverage. Chest beating that all your isk comes from pee vee pee and that you despise carebears only to be found out to have care bear alts funding you is a bit embarrassing, but hardly extortionable. On the other hand, having it revealed that you operate a mining macro farm? Well THAT has some juice. Letterman had an affair. It offends his family but no laws were broken and there is no actionable offense. Macros lead to a ban as that violates EULA. Therein lies the difference. Just saying Most pvpers have a trade or mining alt its not a big deal. Hell Helicity organized hulkageddon and has admitted multiple times that he has a hulk alt making him isk to fund pvp. Do you think I really care? People gotta make isk somehow and low sec piracy doesn't usually pay the bills if you like to have a good time and take some risks. I am going to assume you did not read that all of that quote you posted, brah. Because if you did you would see I said it was no big deal to have a carebear alt. It is the macro accusation that gives weight. Back away from the keyboard and put on your reading glasses. I highlighted it for ya. You said it was embarassing....
Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.01.31 08:04:00 - [33] UPDATE FOR THOSE THAT CARE It turns out that the 20 mining accounts belong to more than one person. Its a small group of guys working together. One of them (owns 2 of the accounts) has decided that I'm not BSing and has offered me 1.5b. He has asked that this 1.5b cover all 20 of the accounts as they rely on each other to run a manufacturing operation. Unfortunately this guys mates wont chip in to come up with a reasonable amount. I have offered to not release the names of 3 chars for that amount of isk but he has declined. He has assured me he is poor (which he may be) but I know his buddies have recently spent 25b on a single char and tens of billions on other chars over the last few months. Guess ill just wait and see what happens as Tuesday approaches.
superteds	Posted - 2010.01.31 09:40:00 - [34] Originally by: Onata Ahari UPDATE FOR THOSE THAT CARE It turns out that the 20 mining accounts belong to more than one person. Its a small group of guys working together. One of them (owns 2 of the accounts) has decided that I'm not BSing and has offered me 1.5b. He has asked that this 1.5b cover all 20 of the accounts as they rely on each other to run a manufacturing operation. Unfortunately this guys mates wont chip in to come up with a reasonable amount. I have offered to not release the names of 3 chars for that amount of isk but he has declined. He has assured me he is poor (which he may be) but I know his buddies have recently spent 25b on a single char and tens of billions on other chars over the last few months. Guess ill just wait and see what happens as Tuesday approaches. don't think anyone gives a **** m8
Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.01.31 09:59:00 - [35] Originally by: superteds Originally by: Onata Ahari UPDATE FOR THOSE THAT CARE It turns out that the 20 mining accounts belong to more than one person. Its a small group of guys working together. One of them (owns 2 of the accounts) has decided that I'm not BSing and has offered me 1.5b. He has asked that this 1.5b cover all 20 of the accounts as they rely on each other to run a manufacturing operation. Unfortunately this guys mates wont chip in to come up with a reasonable amount. I have offered to not release the names of 3 chars for that amount of isk but he has declined. He has assured me he is poor (which he may be) but I know his buddies have recently spent 25b on a single char and tens of billions on other chars over the last few months. Guess ill just wait and see what happens as Tuesday approaches. don't think anyone gives a **** m8 Think you might be right.
Grunanca Final Agony	Posted - 2010.01.31 11:59:00 - [36] Edited by: Grunanca on 31/01/2010 12:00:41 Originally by: Onata Ahari Originally by: superteds Originally by: Onata Ahari UPDATE FOR THOSE THAT CARE It turns out that the 20 mining accounts belong to more than one person. Its a small group of guys working together. One of them (owns 2 of the accounts) has decided that I'm not BSing and has offered me 1.5b. He has asked that this 1.5b cover all 20 of the accounts as they rely on each other to run a manufacturing operation. Unfortunately this guys mates wont chip in to come up with a reasonable amount. I have offered to not release the names of 3 chars for that amount of isk but he has declined. He has assured me he is poor (which he may be) but I know his buddies have recently spent 25b on a single char and tens of billions on other chars over the last few months. Guess ill just wait and see what happens as Tuesday approaches. don't think anyone gives a **** m8 Think you might be right. Hello! I have a hauler alt Arrunca, he can fly a hulk and I think he actually owns one somewhere in EVE though I'm not sure as I havent mined for years. He also holds my isk and he even did a scam once! Can you please extort me? Ill send you an exotic dancer! Oh and btw... Noone cares about this thread! Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Cerisia Lone Star enterprises Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.31 12:30:00 - [37] Cool story bro..........
ShadowMaiden Amarr Metal Machine	Posted - 2010.01.31 13:38:00 - [38] Originally by: Mara Tessidar I think you should find something better to do with your time. A rare moment of irony from an MMO player there
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.01.31 14:07:00 - [39] So wait, the OP has publically admitted to taking payoffs from macroers? Any reason he shouldn't be petitioned and the dirty ISK removed from his wallet?
Lucas Lucias	Posted - 2010.01.31 14:46:00 - [40] I approve of this service...

Arekhon Eternal Perseverance	Posted - 2010.01.31 15:01:00 - [41] Originally by: Onata Ahari Originally by: Pater Peccavi It's like that guy who tried blackmailing Letterman, except no one cares. Nevermind, it's exactly like that guy who tried blackmailing Letterman. Maybe the guy doesnt care. Maybe I'll end up throwing isk at something that wont pay off. I wont lose any sleep if you dont care. macroer trying to remove competition from his system(s)
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.01.31 15:27:00 - [42] Quote: Im working on the assumption that many of them will be macro miners Stop assuming. Detecting wether someone is macroing or not is easy since they behave in a certain way you should know well (unless you are bluffing). Quote: I just found it interesting that players that I thought would have detested carebears were using dedicated noob corp characters to mine for extended periods of time. One of these players was involved in hulkageddon II. Why, we are in EvE not in Hello Kitty Online. It's trivially obvious that some / several ganking the hulks had their agenda: pushing hulks prices up (they make them), removing competitors, pushing (pretend to) mineral prices up... It's also trivially obvious that since you don't have issues milking macros, you are out on your own agenda, possibly involving replacing their macros with yours. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Cipher Jones	Posted - 2010.01.31 16:44:00 - [43] I don't know if the OP is telling the truth or just trolling, but people that can't understand how one could extort ISK from the knowledge kinda worry me. Here's how it works: You do a lot of PvP, you kill a lot of people. You have multiple hulks to pay for your PvP operating expenses. Theres a lot of ****ed off people out there who you killed that would LOVE to see you... 1. lose a 200mil isk ship 2. lose income that funds your pvp And thats for the ones that aren't macro'ing. The ones that are would pay a pretty penny to keep it under wraps.
NyteTyger Gallente NiteSun Enterprises	Posted - 2010.01.31 17:35:00 - [44] Originally by: Cipher Jones I don't know if the OP is telling the truth or just trolling, but people that can't understand how one could extort ISK from the knowledge kinda worry me. Here's how it works: You do a lot of PvP, you kill a lot of people. You have multiple hulks to pay for your PvP operating expenses. Theres a lot of **ed off people out there who you killed that would LOVE to see you... 1. lose a 200mil isk ship 2. lose income that funds your pvp And thats for the ones that aren't macro'ing. The ones that are would pay a pretty penny to keep it under wraps. Pretty much what I was thinking. There's a potential there to severely disrupt isk flow. If these are 0.0 players like the op said, a list of isk alts could indeed be valuable to opposing parties. The ire this thread has attracted amuses me, though. Seeing the ***ing made me wonder 'Worried about your mining alt?' __________________________________________ It's a do or die universe, so you better damn well choose between one or the other.
Patri Andari Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer	Posted - 2010.01.31 17:35:00 - [45] Originally by: Herty You said it was embarassing.... You think it's not? Read it in context mate. s l o w l y. Quote: Chest beating that all your isk comes from pee vee pee and that you despise carebears only to be found out to have care bear alts funding you is a bit embarrassing, but hardly extortionable. See this is similar to an "if, then" statement. IF: One represents that all their isk comes from PVP AND: One makes posts reviling carebears. AND: One is found to have multiple mining alts funding their accounts. THEN: It would be embarrassing. It is not the carebear activity that is embarrassing. Most people are embarrassed when they are caught in an inconsistency, perhaps not all. I do find it interesting how this topic seems to rattle a few cages. Please carry on! Patri I'll Roshambo you for that Titan
Chipan Asty	Posted - 2010.01.31 18:09:00 - [46] **** me, C&P is so depressing these days. Please, someone pass me a hand-held rail gun to efficiently evacuate my brains from my skull.
Llyandrian Amarr Livestock Science Exchange	Posted - 2010.01.31 19:35:00 - [47] Originally by: NyteTyger Originally by: Cipher Jones I don't know if the OP is telling the truth or just trolling, but people that can't understand how one could extort ISK from the knowledge kinda worry me. Here's how it works: You do a lot of PvP, you kill a lot of people. You have multiple hulks to pay for your PvP operating expenses. Theres a lot of **ed off people out there who you killed that would LOVE to see you... 1. lose a 200mil isk ship 2. lose income that funds your pvp And thats for the ones that aren't macro'ing. The ones that are would pay a pretty penny to keep it under wraps. Pretty much what I was thinking. There's a potential there to severely disrupt isk flow. If these are 0.0 players like the op said, a list of isk alts could indeed be valuable to opposing parties. The ire this thread has attracted amuses me, though. Seeing the ***ing made me wonder 'Worried about your mining alt?' +1 Thinks some bad people are scared they lose their carebear alts. I always safe in station trading so won't work on me. Maybe OP could prove his super secret method and tell who my main bad boy is ?
Grunanca Final Agony	Posted - 2010.01.31 23:00:00 - [48] Originally by: Cipher Jones I don't know if the OP is telling the truth or just trolling, but people that can't understand how one could extort ISK from the knowledge kinda worry me. Here's how it works: You do a lot of PvP, you kill a lot of people. You have multiple hulks to pay for your PvP operating expenses. Theres a lot of ****ed off people out there who you killed that would LOVE to see you... 1. lose a 200mil isk ship 2. lose income that funds your pvp And thats for the ones that aren't macro'ing. The ones that are would pay a pretty penny to keep it under wraps. If you are good enough at pvp to have so many personal enemies you are also smart enough to know that mining is one of the slowest ways of making isk. So your point is kinda moot... Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist My sig got owned and it looked good:-(
Shigsy D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2010.01.31 23:41:00 - [49] Confirming I have 4 hulk accounts. (I'm not joking)
Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.01.31 23:55:00 - [50] Originally by: Grunanca Originally by: Cipher Jones I don't know if the OP is telling the truth or just trolling, but people that can't understand how one could extort ISK from the knowledge kinda worry me. Here's how it works: You do a lot of PvP, you kill a lot of people. You have multiple hulks to pay for your PvP operating expenses. Theres a lot of ****ed off people out there who you killed that would LOVE to see you... 1. lose a 200mil isk ship 2. lose income that funds your pvp And thats for the ones that aren't macro'ing. The ones that are would pay a pretty penny to keep it under wraps. If you are good enough at pvp to have so many personal enemies you are also smart enough to know that mining is one of the slowest ways of making isk. So your point is kinda moot... Hi-sec mining may make the least isk per hour but id like to see you make more a year than a fleet of macro miners running 23/7. The average hulk pilot makes 4-5m an hour. Thats about 100m per day. If you have say... 20 accounts thats 2b a day, 14b a week and 728b a year. While plex for 20 accounts adds up id say its worth it for them.

Patri Andari Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer	Posted - 2010.02.01 02:22:00 - [51] Originally by: Onata Ahari Hi-sec mining may make the least isk per hour but id like to see you make more a year than a fleet of macro miners running 23/7. The average hulk pilot makes 4-5m an hour. Thats about 100m per day. If you have say... 20 accounts thats 2b a day, 14b a week and 728b a year. While plex for 20 accounts adds up id say its worth it for them. With those kind of figures you clearly are not extorting enough! Get back out there and extort, Extort, EXTORT! Patri I'll Roshambo you for that Titan
Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.02.01 02:40:00 - [52] Originally by: Patri Andari Originally by: Onata Ahari Hi-sec mining may make the least isk per hour but id like to see you make more a year than a fleet of macro miners running 23/7. The average hulk pilot makes 4-5m an hour. Thats about 100m per day. If you have say... 20 accounts thats 2b a day, 14b a week and 728b a year. While plex for 20 accounts adds up id say its worth it for them. With those kind of figures you clearly are not extorting enough! Get back out there and extort, Extort, EXTORT! The guys im extorting atm only have 8-10 of their mining accounts going at any one time. Not sure why. Maybe they are limited by hardware. They have also been spending a lot on characters and other assets lately so they probably dont have a lot of liquid isk.
Omgah The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.02.01 03:11:00 - [53] How about naming the people behind this operation, other wise no one cares.
Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.02.01 10:41:00 - [54] Clock is ticking guys. You have one day left to send me a reasonable offer. You are not taking a risk if you fail to meet the deadline. You are betting against a sure thing.
Flauschig Katzchen	Posted - 2010.02.01 13:28:00 - [55] People belonging to major 0.0 corps/alliances are well aware of, can deal with, sometimes cause, and accept high-sec miner gankings. Anyone who gives you money is lazy and rich. I wish you the best in your endeavor. ------ sig
oolk	Posted - 2010.02.01 16:39:00 - [56] Almost entertained...sub.
Winterjack	Posted - 2010.02.01 16:52:00 - [57] Originally by: Onata Ahari Clock is ticking guys. You have one day left to send me a reasonable offer. You are not taking a risk if you fail to meet the deadline. You are betting against a sure thing. You know, you should try to scam noobs. If this worked, I'd be laughing my buttocks off the chair at whomever fell for it. You're not even smart enough as to make a credible scam attempt.
Shawshanke	Posted - 2010.02.01 17:46:00 - [58] I know of some people who are doing stuff in this game. If I do not receive 3 isk, a civilian 75mm railgun and a dead rat within the hour I will tattle tell on them to ccp about the stuff they are doing. Time is ticking away.
zarlack coldhand	Posted - 2010.02.01 18:00:00 - [59] Why will they care if you tell ppl that they have mining alts? Why would they or any one pay you any thing because your going to post there names here big woop. Only 1's that may need to have a slight worry are Macro farms and then not much more then stop for a week or so then back to Biz. Well I really like that mineral prices are going up please blow up more AFK Miners but leave the rest of us in peace
Modahn Etch Death of Virtue	Posted - 2010.02.01 18:15:00 - [60] Didn't read any previous posts but extorting ISK out of people by using evidence of RMT will get you all banned. If you make ISK from it, you're banned. You might even get banned for knowing that they're involved in RMT. Report it, or don't, your choice. All that glitters is not without a cyno.

jodine	Posted - 2010.02.01 19:31:00 - [61] who sez brah on the internet
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.02.01 21:27:00 - [62] Proof Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Boknamar Gallente Quality Control.	Posted - 2010.02.01 21:44:00 - [63] Prediction: OP will post saying that the players paid him, and the truth or falsehood of his assertion will forever remain unprovable.
The Jam Amarr Sinner Among Saints Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2010.02.01 21:47:00 - [64] To the op congrats on useing nlp tactics on most of the people here on these boards.I for you look forward to the results of this.
RenegadeChemist Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2010.02.01 22:19:00 - [65] Originally by: Onata Ahari How widespread do you think the use of dedicated mining accounts by PvP players is? LOL? Everyone has pvp main character, and then carebear alts wich can be mission alts, mining alts or trade/indy alts. That's the reason why we have highsec. Right now the typical set is pvp main, cyno alts, orca pilot, two hulk pilots and hauler alt.
Ard UnjiiGo The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.02.01 22:49:00 - [66] Originally by: RenegadeChemist Originally by: Onata Ahari How widespread do you think the use of dedicated mining accounts by PvP players is? LOL? Everyone has pvp main character, and then carebear alts wich can be mission alts, mining alts or trade/indy alts. That's the reason why we have highsec. Right now the typical set is pvp main, cyno alts, orca pilot, two hulk pilots and hauler alt. I love erroneous overgeneralizations. Please keep 'em coming.
Shawshanke	Posted - 2010.02.01 23:30:00 - [67] Originally by: Ard UnjiiGo Originally by: RenegadeChemist Originally by: Onata Ahari How widespread do you think the use of dedicated mining accounts by PvP players is? LOL? Everyone has pvp main character, and then carebear alts wich can be mission alts, mining alts or trade/indy alts. That's the reason why we have highsec. Right now the typical set is pvp main, cyno alts, orca pilot, two hulk pilots and hauler alt. I love erroneous overgeneralizations. Please keep 'em coming. Well its a slight exaggeration to say "everyone", but its no secret that most people who play this game have alts and the people who don't have them are either few and far between or very new.
Tiberizzle	Posted - 2010.02.02 00:55:00 - [68] Confirming that all 20 alts belong to me, and that I macro mine 23/7
Patri Andari Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer	Posted - 2010.02.02 00:59:00 - [69] Who says sez on the internet? Patri I'll Roshambo you for that Titan
Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.02.02 01:03:00 - [70] Havent had a reasonable offer yet. Maybe they are gambling on me blufffing. All of thier characters are logged off which is a first... At downtime today I will post all of thier character names here. I will also petition any chars I suspect of macro mining. Are you really going to gamble your isk farm away?

Dacryphile	Posted - 2010.02.02 01:19:00 - [71] I thought everyone mining was an alt Originally by: Doc Robertson ...take a good look at this pic and tell us which one is you.
Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.02.02 08:34:00 - [72] There is only a few hours to go and no agreement has been made. Looks like everybody involved is going to lose. Because I'm a spiteful person I will keep tabs on the named characters to make sure they cant be used as macro miners in the future (after the temp bans). Even if they trade hands.
Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.02.02 09:00:00 - [73] Originally by: Onata Ahari Because I'm a spiteful person. Jealous because your pathetic attempt to get easy money and positive attention failed? ~ Soar Like a Penguin
Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.02.02 09:05:00 - [74] Originally by: Gladys Pank Originally by: Onata Ahari Because I'm a spiteful person. Jealous because your pathetic attempt to get easy money and positive attention failed? Mostly the easy money.
Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.02.02 11:12:00 - [75] Leone Hawtoo Mining Queenie Friendly Bee Araata Poesklap Aero Lady Sinok Roemilleon Ragada Greendar Lady Aero Hawta Milo Minderbender Dacascos Vasamina resapiedra Sagacious Sky Benzi Black Reaper Entaroadunexecutor I have reported 16 of these characters for macro mining.
Dark Proteus	Posted - 2010.02.02 16:16:00 - [76] ....and the thread goes silent....the suspense is killing me. * grabs another bag of Orville Reddenbocker's Forum Lurker's Buttery Popcorn and pops it into the microwave.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.02.02 16:30:00 - [77] /yawn Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Reckoning.	Posted - 2010.02.02 16:55:00 - [78] why the **** would anyone use a hisec bearalt for mining when you can just mine in 0.0 and make 5x as much?
James Tritanius	Posted - 2010.02.02 17:04:00 - [79] I'm p sure that extorting macro miners by threatening to report them to CCP is against the EULA, or that it should be, anyway.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.02.02 18:19:00 - [80] Originally by: James Tritanius Posting bad threads like this is against the EULA, or it should be, anyway. Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.

Dmoney3788	Posted - 2010.02.02 21:23:00 - [81] Originally by: Kahega Amielden why the **** would anyone use a hisec bearalt for mining when you can just mine in 0.0 and make 5x as much? Because mining is boring and macroing hisec is pretty low risk for getting blown up with the advantage of never having to watch your comp.


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