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Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.01.30 23:21:00 - [1] I have been linking many mining accounts together to extort their owners and have found a lot of them are mining alts of big 0.0 alliance members and even some of the regulars in C&P. Usually its 2-4 noob corp miners and a main. I have been extorting these guys for 500m to 1b per mining char and business has been pretty good. I have recently linked a very wealthy PvPer to about 20 mining accounts. This is the largest number of accounts I have linked to any one person. Rather than fly around eve looking for these miners I have decided I will post the names of them here in CCP. I will release their names one by one every two hours starting after downtime on Tuesday the 2nd. I will pay a large amount of isk (amount to be decided) to whoever destroys the hulk and pod of the named character. If any of the miners are suspected of being macros they will also be reported. The last couple of characters I name will be mains. To fill some time between now and Tuesday: If this guy turns out to be involved in RMT do you think any isk I get out of him will be taken by CCP? How much isk do you think I should be demanding? How much isk should I be paying for each Hulk+Pod kill? How widespread do you think the use of dedicated mining accounts by PvP players is?
Mara Tessidar	Posted - 2010.01.30 23:22:00 - [2] I think you should find something better to do with your time.
Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.01.30 23:29:00 - [3] Originally by: Mara Tessidar I think you should find something better to do with your time. This pays too well.
Leon Dalmasca Gallente Unknown Soldiers Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.01.30 23:43:00 - [4] This seems interesting, go on
Ran Khanon Amarr Vengeance Innovations	Posted - 2010.01.30 23:51:00 - [5] imagines Helicity Boson PhD, running 20 hulking alt accounts The scandal! p.s. How do you link miner accounts to these well known mains you talk of? Hanging around in belts for hours and hoping to spot them?
crastar	Posted - 2010.01.31 00:03:00 - [6] How interesting!!! Wait no, the other thing, tedious.
Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.01.31 00:08:00 - [7] Originally by: Ran Khanon imagines Helicity Boson PhD, running 20 hulking alt accounts The scandal! p.s. How do you link miner accounts to these well known mains you talk of? Hanging around in belts for hours and hoping to spot them? Its pretty easy actually though id rather not give it away just yet. I'll be keeping an eye on them over the next few days and id rather them not know how im doing it (and they dont). It will be obvious to many people that read this but i ask that you dont reveal until the extortion attempt succeeds or fails.
Llyandrian Amarr Livestock Science Exchange	Posted - 2010.01.31 00:09:00 - [8] Sceptical, but interested in seeing how this plays out.
Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.01.31 00:15:00 - [9] Originally by: crastar How interesting!!! Wait no, the other thing, tedious. Im hoping to make in excess of 10b. So while it may be tedious i think the payout will be worth it in the end. If it ends the way i hope it will...
Jordon Spikes	Posted - 2010.01.31 00:29:00 - [10] Edited by: Jordon Spikes on 31/01/2010 00:30:14 Originally by: Onata Ahari Originally by: crastar How interesting!!! Wait no, the other thing, tedious. Im hoping to make in excess of 10b. So while it may be tedious i think the payout will be worth it in the end. If it ends the way i hope it will... i hope you dont wait long.

Tameris Khan	Posted - 2010.01.31 00:46:00 - [11] I'm going to call bull** on this attention whoring post. I'm no stranger to the extortion business myself, and I've simply one question to ask: If what the OP says, is true, why would he be here telling us about it? That many PVPers have bear alts is no secret, in fact its the very point so frequently made right here on See & Pee when butthurt bears bandy about the "but you need us, we don't need you!" line! So it's doubtful the OP is extorting isks by threat of revealing the link between main and bear alts; heck I know I'd not pay, would you? Then he offers to pay to gank these alts? Dunno about you, but I gank hulks for free, this smells more like the OP is looking for a private army for some personal vendetta. Why not just gank them yourself or hire mercs? Why in your own well? (if indeed it exists) Quote:** How much isk do you think I should be demanding? You tell me, you claim to be the expert!
Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.01.31 01:05:00 - [12] Originally by: Tameris Khan I'm going to call bull** on this attention whoring post. I'm no stranger to the extortion business myself, and I've simply one question to ask: If what the OP says, is true, why would he be here telling us about it? That many PVPers have bear alts is no secret, in fact its the very point so frequently made right here on See & Pee when butthurt bears bandy about the "but you need us, we don't need you!" line! So it's doubtful the OP is extorting isks by threat of revealing the link between main and bear alts; heck I know I'd not pay, would you? Then he offers to pay to gank these alts? Dunno about you, but I gank hulks for free, this smells more like the OP is looking for a private army for some personal vendetta. Why not just gank them yourself or hire mercs? Why in your own well? (if indeed it exists) Quote:** How much isk do you think I should be demanding? You tell me, you claim to be the expert! I am posting here because I may need a number of hulks ganked. And while many claim they gank hulks for free this has not been the case for me in the past. If you are offering to gank the hulks for free then I will give you the names on Tuesday. Id be very surprised if you accepted. Im working on the assumption that many of them will be macro miners. Closer investigation may lead to petitions and petitions may lead to bans. The inability to use so many mining accounts would have a substantial impact on their wallet. This is my leverage. I'm by no means an expert. I have never come across anything of this scale.
William Caldon Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.01.31 01:24:00 - [13] Calling BS BS & BS on this.
Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.01.31 01:58:00 - [14] It's my mining army, just to spoil the op's fun before his stupid game comes into play. ~ Soar Like a Penguin
Mara Tessidar	Posted - 2010.01.31 02:14:00 - [15] Yeah since when did having a carebear alt in addition to a PvP toon become extortionable? Last time I checked it was since never.
Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.01.31 02:21:00 - [16] Originally by: Mara Tessidar Yeah since when did having a carebear alt in addition to a PvP toon become extortionable? Last time I checked it was since never. Well maybe you should check again Mara. You can start by reading what I wrote a couple of posts back.
Herty The Sexy Carebear Boredom Convention	Posted - 2010.01.31 02:28:00 - [17] Do I have mining alts??? But seriously you need a way to pay for pvp. Some people scam, some are mercs, some rat in their spare time, and some having mining alts. Also are you saying you are looking for mercs?
Thelma Todd	Posted - 2010.01.31 02:30:00 - [18] If my alt gets ganked then WhyyyIaaughtaaa......oh wait.
Increm	Posted - 2010.01.31 02:56:00 - [19] Wow, normally I just lurk and read the hilarity on this forum, but this trolling deserves a post. I call huge BS. Lets walk through this shall we? You magically figure out who owns a few alts (I'd like to hear how you figured this out short of asking them). You imply with this thread that it is some sin for them to do so in the first place. And now you are trying to extort them? FOR HAVING MONEY MAKING ALTS? This has to be the stupidest thing I've seen in a while. What, are they supposed to be at your knees begging you not to let EVE know that they have mining alts? Nobody gives a flying f***, especially them. This is just a private army request, nothing more.
Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.01.31 03:01:00 - [20] Originally by: Herty Do I have mining alts??? But seriously you need a way to pay for pvp. Some people scam, some are mercs, some rat in their spare time, and some having mining alts. Also are you saying you are looking for mercs? And I extort those who have put themselves into a position in which it is possible for me to do so. This is one of the ways in which I make isk. I just found it interesting that players that I thought would have detested carebears were using dedicated noob corp characters to mine for extended periods of time. One of these players was involved in hulkageddon II. I have nothing against the guys I extort. I just want their isk. I have been thinking how Im going to do this gank thing and have decided the above method isnt going to work. Once I give out the name of one character the others could easily be linked back to it and my leverage is gone. I think ill give out one or two names to various mercs through alts. If i cant work something out with the target I will post all his characters names here for anyone that is interested. I will also go ahead and petition any that i think are macro miners for making me pay mercs and getting nothing in return.

SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Holdings	Posted - 2010.01.31 03:04:00 - [21] yer dum
Smacktalking Alt	Posted - 2010.01.31 03:53:00 - [22] I have a list right here of 81 known macro miners linked to characters in major PvP corps! What? You want to see the list? You must be a macro miner sympathizer! ------------------------------------------------- The world is a dangerous place for stupid people; their one advantage is strength in numbers.
Aralieus Amarr Traumark Logistics H Y E N A	Posted - 2010.01.31 04:40:00 - [23] So... Fortune favors the bold!!!
Pater Peccavi Minmatar The Bastards	Posted - 2010.01.31 05:21:00 - [24] It's like that guy who tried blackmailing Letterman, except no one cares. Nevermind, it's exactly like that guy who tried blackmailing Letterman. _________
Onata Ahari	Posted - 2010.01.31 05:45:00 - [25] Originally by: Pater Peccavi It's like that guy who tried blackmailing Letterman, except no one cares. Nevermind, it's exactly like that guy who tried blackmailing Letterman. Maybe the guy doesnt care. Maybe I'll end up throwing isk at something that wont pay off. I wont lose any sleep if you dont care.
Patri Andari Caldari	Posted - 2010.01.31 05:57:00 - [26] Originally by: Pater Peccavi It's like that guy who tried blackmailing Letterman, except no one cares. Nevermind, it's exactly like that guy who tried blackmailing Letterman. Sorta but not exactly. It is the macro accusation that makes it different and ( I suppose the OP thinks) gives leverage. Chest beating that all your isk comes from pee vee pee and that you despise carebears only to be found out to have care bear alts funding you is a bit embarrassing, but hardly extortionable. On the other hand, having it revealed that you operate a mining macro farm? Well THAT has some juice. Letterman had an affair. It offends his family but no laws were broken and there is no actionable offense. Macros lead to a ban as that violates EULA. Therein lies the difference. Just saying Patri I'll Roshambo you for that Titan
Krinthe Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.01.31 06:37:00 - [27] Wait...what? YOU have been extorting isk from miners, who claim to be miners, but are in fact, actually carebears in 0.0 space who may or may not be macroing their mining habits? Im not sure im following. Why do YOU care what others are doing? If thats how they want to play, who are YOU to say they are wrong for playing it that way? If its against the EULA to macro, then shouldnt CCP be the ones who police these individuals? If you have been extorting 500 to 1B per character, then why would you want to get rid of them? Sounds to me you have a cash cow but for some reason, now that YOU have gotten your funds from their ILLEGALITY, you want to try and dishonor and embarrass them and possibly get them banned from the game? BUT YOU PROFITED FROM THEIR ILLEGALITY, which in turn, makes you no better. Perhaps everyone here who reads your thread should go out and gank you for being a butthole. You sound like to me to be one of those people in high school who skips class along with several others..You got caught but the others didnt. You cant skip anymore but now you feel as though the others shouldnt skip either so you rat them out. A 10th of all I earn I keep for myself.
Herty The Sexy Carebear Boredom Convention	Posted - 2010.01.31 06:43:00 - [28] Originally by: Patri Andari Originally by: Pater Peccavi It's like that guy who tried blackmailing Letterman, except no one cares. Nevermind, it's exactly like that guy who tried blackmailing Letterman. Sorta but not exactly. It is the macro accusation that makes it different and ( I suppose the OP thinks) gives leverage. Chest beating that all your isk comes from pee vee pee and that you despise carebears only to be found out to have care bear alts funding you is a bit embarrassing, but hardly extortionable. On the other hand, having it revealed that you operate a mining macro farm? Well THAT has some juice. Letterman had an affair. It offends his family but no laws were broken and there is no actionable offense. Macros lead to a ban as that violates EULA. Therein lies the difference. Just saying Most pvpers have a trade or mining alt its not a big deal. Hell Helicity organized hulkageddon and has admitted multiple times that he has a hulk alt making him isk to fund pvp. Do you think I really care? People gotta make isk somehow and low sec piracy doesn't usually pay the bills if you like to have a good time and take some risks.
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2010.01.31 06:51:00 - [29] Originally by: Onata Ahari How widespread do you think the use of dedicated mining accounts by PvP players is? Not mining, that a bit nooby. But certainly I know people that have a POS and inventor to keep them in ISK.
Patri Andari Caldari	Posted - 2010.01.31 06:52:00 - [30] Originally by: Herty Originally by: Patri Andari Originally by: Pater Peccavi It's like that guy who tried blackmailing Letterman, except no one cares. Nevermind, it's exactly like that guy who tried blackmailing Letterman. Sorta but not exactly. It is the macro accusation that makes it different and ( I suppose the OP thinks) gives leverage. Chest beating that all your isk comes from pee vee pee and that you despise carebears only to be found out to have care bear alts funding you is a bit embarrassing, but hardly extortionable. On the other hand, having it revealed that you operate a mining macro farm? Well THAT has some juice. Letterman had an affair. It offends his family but no laws were broken and there is no actionable offense. Macros lead to a ban as that violates EULA. Therein lies the difference. Just saying Most pvpers have a trade or mining alt its not a big deal. Hell Helicity organized hulkageddon and has admitted multiple times that he has a hulk alt making him isk to fund pvp. Do you think I really care? People gotta make isk somehow and low sec piracy doesn't usually pay the bills if you like to have a good time and take some risks. I am going to assume you did not read that all of that quote you posted, brah. Because if you did you would see I said it was no big deal to have a carebear alt. It is the macro accusation that gives weight. Back away from the keyboard and put on your reading glasses. I highlighted it for ya. Patri I'll Roshambo you for that Titan



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