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Sokratesz	Posted - 2010.02.01 21:40:00 - [31] Edited by: Sokratesz on 01/02/2010 21:51:52 Originally by: Arik VanClaw Does your opinion on this not allow for the view that science is the natural explanation of the laws that God created to govern the universe? What would the point of be of a god that tunes the knobs, then sits back and never meddles with his 'creation' anymore? Why would he do it? Where does he live? Who made him? God is based off of myths and fairy tales and his existence was made up by man and it will die with man. As an atheist who is well educated in biology I find it extremely difficult to comprehend why people would seek refuge in a concept like that. Long ago we didn't understand the world around us and we invoked a higher being to fix our ignorance. Nowadays we have a much better understanding of the world and it turns out that the god hypothesis wasn't only wrong, it is completely unnecessary, the universe simply doesn't have a need for a god. Religion was born out of ignorance, science neatly fixes that. It is easy to destroy the very basic premises of all major religions without even going into details of all the misery that they've brought to this world. Want to test a supercap on SISI but don't have one?
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.01 22:04:00 - [32] Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran Originally by: Merin Ryskin The laws of physics disagree with you. Warp drive is pure science fiction. According to our current understanding yes but how many things that science declared impossible turned out to be possible once we better understood things or when technology advanced? It would be pure hubris if we thought we had everything totally figured out and that we had a total understanding and believed future discoveries wont turn current theories upside down. Also general science tends to mimic general religion with its Faith in the Word. If thou cross It expect the Inqusition. I mean really, medieval torture chamber for the revolutionary Heretical Prophet or review board for the revolutionary Theoretical Thinker. Is there a difference? Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
M'ktakh	Posted - 2010.02.01 22:10:00 - [33] I always find it funny that people cant seem to shake the preconception that there are other religions out there besides christianity.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2010.02.01 22:43:00 - [34] Originally by: M'ktakh I always find it funny that people cant seem to shake the preconception that there are other religions out there besides christianity. People like to talk about things that they know and have experience about. Where I live there are other religions, but they wield little to no influence on these matters and can be safely ignored. Even the local christians seems to just focus on criticizing the morality of some scientific applications and methods, and accept the scientific view of the world. Religion here is more about the community than taking every little thing said in the bible as truth.
illford baker Pilots of Damnation death from above..	Posted - 2010.02.01 23:13:00 - [35] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: illford baker with all the money spend on war, we could have warp drive. The laws of physics disagree with you. Warp drive is pure science fiction. how can the earth possible be round? how can the sun NOT go around the earth? how could human possibly fly? we will never get to the moon! and now, "warp drive is pure science fiction" once we get through killing each other over such trivial things like religion or who hit whom first, we will have our warp drive. then we will answer the question of "are we alone" sucks that at this rate, not even our great-great grandkids will go FTL.
Dietrich III	Posted - 2010.02.02 01:30:00 - [36] Edited by: Dietrich III on 02/02/2010 01:33:31 I'm pretty disappointed about the cancellation of the program too. There was a good commentary on the cancellation in the Jan 28 issue of the AIAA Daily Launch. And I'd have to agree with Senator Nelson and Popular Mechanics. We're on the cusp of a massive brain drain in our engineering and high tech industries. A large portion of NASA engineers will be reaching retirement age soon and there won't be enough engineering students to fill the gaps. Without continued investment in space exploration we're likely to continue to see declines in future students in aerospace industries because of lack of interest. What we will see is more interest in the fields that make ridiculous amounts of money. Like lawyers and incompetent CEO's. God help us all.
Dirtball PinK Tac0 ReasearcH	Posted - 2010.02.02 01:37:00 - [37] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Wow. Obama sucks more than Bush. thats a better troll than "obama is pro-war"
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.02.02 03:37:00 - [38] AS IF we were really there the first time. In before the usual dullards caught in the usual false left-right paradigm make this a democrat versus republican issue... oops too late.
illford baker Pilots of Damnation death from above..	Posted - 2010.02.02 04:03:00 - [39] Edited by: illford baker on 02/02/2010 04:03:49 Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer AS IF we were really there the first time. want some tin foil? it keeps the government signals out of your head. we were there the first time, you can't fake going to the moon. why dot you go their yourself and see that it looks just like the video. can't go to the moon? oh, well i guess you don't have any right to criticize until you have more than wild accusations made by a paranoid pessimistic madman. we can send rovers to mars, why can't we send man to a pace as close as the moon? staying in there isn't as bad as sitting on the tarmac for a few hours while waiting to take off for a international flight. give nasa enough funding, and me a laptop with mass effect 2 and other games and i can go to the moon without leaving my chair, and give me an internet connection and i will go to mars.
Dray Caldari Euphoria Released	Posted - 2010.02.02 04:16:00 - [40] Edited by: Dray on 02/02/2010 04:16:50 Originally by: illford baker Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: illford baker with all the money spend on war, we could have warp drive. The laws of physics disagree with you. Warp drive is pure science fiction. how can the earth possible be round? how can the sun NOT go around the earth? how could human possibly fly? we will never get to the moon! and now, "warp drive is pure science fiction" once we get through killing each other over such trivial things like religion or who hit whom first, we will have our warp drive. then we will answer the question of "are we alone" sucks that at this rate, not even our great-great grandkids will go FTL. All of the above is fair comment, except for... and now, "warp drive is pure science fiction" once we get through killing each other over such trivial things like religion or who hit whom first, we will have our warp drive. then we will answer the question of "are we alone" sucks that at this rate, not even our great-great grandkids will go FTL. learn physics and realize just how f**ked up your response is, there is a massive difference between taking past fallacies that have been overturned, then talking about warp drive with our knowledge of physics, and spare me the "we just dont know" bollox, all of your examples are mere side notes of endeavour when it comes to making a "warp" drive. Please.
illford baker Pilots of Damnation death from above..	Posted - 2010.02.02 05:04:00 - [41] Originally by: Dray Edited by: Dray on 02/02/2010 04:16:50 All of the above is fair comment, except for... and now, "warp drive is pure science fiction" once we get through killing each other over such trivial things like religion or who hit whom first, we will have our warp drive. then we will answer the question of "are we alone" sucks that at this rate, not even our great-great grandkids will go FTL. learn physics and realize just how f**ked up your response is, there is a massive difference between taking past fallacies that have been overturned, then talking about warp drive with our knowledge of physics, and spare me the "we just dont know" bollox, all of your examples are mere side notes of endeavour when it comes to making a "warp" drive. Please. ok, fine. you can keep your "earth is as far as we get" attitude, but i like to think that humanity will accomplish so much more. our view of the universe is changing as we learn more, people make theories just to have them overturned by one that is closer to the truth. basically i am say "we just don't know yet". the future you are suggesting is a sad one where we will never go beyond the solar system and doomed to keep fighting on this god forsaken rock, and i hope that is all you live to see. but i for one will dream, and (i will admit, this next part sounds gay) dreamers shape the future. while pessimist like you will just live their lives and die without making a positive influence living in the hell they make for themselves. mark my words we will have some kind of way of going faster than light, whether it be wormhole, warping time/space, or some crazy theory we have not even imagined yet (infinite improbability drive anyone? ). now, back to being on topic. what is more important than science that obama must divert money away from NASA? war? healthcare? bailout of big business? welfare for drunks who don't care to try and get a job?
goodby4u Valor Inc. Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2010.02.02 07:10:00 - [42] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 01/02/2010 05:02:46 Originally by: Irida Mershkov Bet the Republican supporters are having a field day with this. Pity about it though. Are you kidding? The republicans are probably celebrating right now. After all, god hates science (remember, this is a party whose official position is that Jesus created the entire universe 2000 years ago), so killing NASA is a good thing. The fact that it means more bailout money to give to wealthy CEOs is just nice side benefit. That is, if they care at all. The sad thing is, most people don't. Originally by: illford baker with all the money spend on war, we could have warp drive. The laws of physics disagree with you. Warp drive is pure science fiction. To hardcore republicans, the only thing God hates more then science is democrats. They will attack this with tremendous vigor.
Of Montreal	Posted - 2010.02.02 07:33:00 - [43] Originally by: Rowdy Yates Edited by: Rowdy Yates on 01/02/2010 05:32:17 Obama sucks. That pretty much covers it. You didn't even need to write anything, your corp name pretty much sums it up for us.
Lt Forge Pilots From Honour Aeternus.	Posted - 2010.02.02 10:21:00 - [44] America thinks there's oil in the moon.
Wuff Wuff Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.02.02 10:54:00 - [45] Originally by: Dray learn physics and realize just how f**ked up your response is, there is a massive difference between taking past fallacies that have been overturned, then talking about warp drive with our knowledge of physics, and spare me the "we just dont know" bollox, all of your examples are mere side notes of endeavour when it comes to making a "warp" drive. I have to tell you, you are quite wrong. My team of Swiss scientists and I are almost finished with a prototype FTL drive that is driven by the pure, uncompromising power of dividing by 0. I'll send you a postcard from Andromeda sometime next week. - Wuffles
Magnus Nordir Caldari Nordir Industries	Posted - 2010.02.02 12:07:00 - [46] Yes, space exploration (and NASA specifically) has never, ever directly and profoundly influenced the human civilisation as a whole. A total waste of money. --------------------------- Only those who surrender are lost
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2010.02.02 12:26:00 - [47] Originally by: Merin Ryskin The laws of physics disagree with you. Warp drive is pure science fiction. http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SpeedOfLight/FTL.html Theoretically it's possible. Though the problems to overcome before it can work are beyond us for the time being. --------------- 10/10: Where is your God now?
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2010.02.02 13:37:00 - [48] Uh ... lets see ... 1) Albert Einstein believed in God. 2) George Bush the Elder tried to reinvigorate the space program. 3) Both the Republicans and Democrats are idiots - just about different things. 4) The real problem with trying to accomplish a very long term goal, such as doing what we can to improve humanity's ability to avoid extinction by having more than one home, is that there will ALWAYS be something else to spend the money on in the short term. Since farsightedness and long term dedication are rare ... we have a real problem ... long term. 5) War - has done more to increase the rate of scientific progress than anything else. WWII took us from biplanes to jets. The cold war took us to the moon. Without competition there just isn't the urgency to spend the money - now - rather than just slowly make whatever progress comes as people blunder their way along. It isn't that progress isn't made in the absence of war - it's just that it is slower. People were working on jet aircraft before WWII - but - the war lent an urgency to not merely their development - but their production. It is one thing to have a working prototype and entirely another to have established, refined industrial techniques for making good use of it. We've had rockets since the ancient Chinese developed them but WWII and the Cold War turned them into well developed tools that not only took us to the moon but gave us all those satellites we use without thinking today. I happen to be old enough to remember when one of the networks put on a special SATELLITE!!!! broadcast of the London Symphony Orchestra - which was something of a big deal that they could do that. Today we think nothing of such things. At one time - Katherine Hepburn for one - was caught by surprise when a hurricane suddenly hit Long Island with no warning. That wouldn't happen today. 6) To be really successful you need commercial applications for things. The Rail Roads were implemented so fast because commercial interests were given ways to make fortunes off of them. To really become at home in space we need more commercial involvement. The problem is, unless they can see a way to make a lot of money - such as with satellites - commercial interests are loath to invest the gigantic sums of money required - thus - governments have to do it if it is to get started. Once governments have shown the way, it becomes one of those 'build it and they will come' things. 7) There are real advantages to having a "democracy". One of them is that you have people who disagree with someone elses stupid idea and can try and stop it. Thus, the ideas that most people can agree on have a better chance of getting implemented than the stupid ideas of a few. Which isn't to say that the majority can't be wrong ... they can. But when the majority is wrong - then ... after a while they aren't the majority any more. Thus truly democratic nations tend to alternate between parties ... one group getting in and doing some things that need to be done ... until the stupid things they do get them thrown out. Then the other party gets it's chance to fix the things their opponents fouled up until they to are thrown out because of the stupid things they do. Sadly, many things - once done - can be very difficult at times to undo, so it is better if they can be stopped before hand. shrug 8) Religion is about comfort. People are afraid or sad and they use their religious beliefs to seek comfort. Thus - what people get out of their religious beliefs is not dependent on those beliefs being correct. Religion is usually not the reason for the terrible things done in it's name - mostly those are things people wanted to do anyway and would have found some other excuse to do had they not found religion applicable. The various religions we have are mostly based on the cultures they come from and reflect the biases of those cultures - thus - it isn't religion that is the culprit, culture is. Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2010.02.02 14:03:00 - [49] Edited by: SupaKudoRio on 02/02/2010 14:03:34 Just to nit-pick on one point, there certainly IS a huge profitability draw for space exploration. Mining other planets and/or asteroids, tourism, off-planet production, to generalise and be obvious. --------------- 10/10: Where is your God now?
Taedrin Gallente The Green Cross DEFI4NT	Posted - 2010.02.02 14:29:00 - [50] Edited by: Taedrin on 02/02/2010 14:37:02 Originally by: Verone Originally by: Cornaris Originally by: Benilopax Teflon, kevlar, velcro, freeze dried food, satellite communication, computers, solar power, cancer drugs. Yes, nothing ever comes from space exploration. Teflon - Dr. Roy Plunkett at the DuPont research laboratories 1938 Velcro - Swiss electrical engineer named George de Mestral 1940 Kevlar - DuPont chemist named Stephanie Kwolek 1971 Freeze dried food - Benedict and Manning, evolved with time from a laboratory instrument that was referred to as a "chemical pump" 1905 Solar power - AT&T's Bell Labs, Russell Ohl invented silicon solar cell 1941 Not saying nasa dosnt have a trickle down effect or anything... i just always cringe when people use those examples Likewise. Still, Obama is a massive tool for binning Constellation and shafting NASA's funding. Privatising the space program is a seriously dumbass move. Sure, it makes things cheaper but in the end the accident rate will skyrocket and health and safety will be a nightmare as private corporations squeeze every last cent out of the running costs of their hardware. While NASA didn't invent all of these things, it would be naive to presume that space exploration had no influence on the development of many of these technologies, especially solar power and fuel cells (both of which have space exploration as their primary application) EDIT: Oh yeah, and while we're on the topic of faster than light travel, almost all methods of FTL travel require the existence of exotic matter. This means stuff like negative mass (wormholes), negative energy (warp drives) or imaginary mass (tachyons). Please note that there is ZERO evidence that any of these things exist. ---------- There is always a choice. The choice might not be easy, nor simple, nor the options be what you desire - but, nevertheless, the choice is there to be made.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.02.02 14:32:00 - [51] Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer AS IF we were really there the first time. In before the usual dullards caught in the usual false left-right paradigm make this a democrat versus republican issue... oops too late. First off Democrats have not been mentioned. Only the morally conservative religious Republican zealots have been pointed out. Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk 8) Religion is about comfort. People are afraid or sad and they use their religious beliefs to seek comfort. Thus - what people get out of their religious beliefs is not dependent on those beliefs being correct. Religion is usually not the reason for the terrible things done in it's name - mostly those are things people wanted to do anyway and would have found some other excuse to do had they not found religion applicable. The various religions we have are mostly based on the cultures they come from and reflect the biases of those cultures - thus - it isn't religion that is the culprit, culture is I have to say that I agree with this comment and that I believe that the Religious right had little to nothing to do with this decision. This is a matter of misplaced priorities. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Mr Funkadelic x13 IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.02 14:59:00 - [52] Edited by: Mr Funkadelic on 02/02/2010 15:00:42 Originally by: Carine Parnasse Have you personally been to the moon? Me neither, but they took a lot of photos. Nothing there but rocks. There are no new medicines, no more food and no new energy sources. Just a bunch of rock. Spending trillions on getting back there when the US is still crawling out of recession and a sizeable portion of it living bellow the poverty line hardly seems a "great achievement" But there is lots of power on the moon. http://www.energybulletin.net/node/192 NASA
Xen Gin Silurian Operations	Posted - 2010.02.02 15:15:00 - [53] Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk Uh ... lets see ... 1) Albert Einstein believed in God. What you might want to know is Einstein was a pantheist, he believed that the universe and the starting mathematics was God, absolutely nothing like any sort of personal God. ## You got that? Right I'll be back in approximately 300 seconds to retort! ##
Nishachara Minmatar Special Operations Corp	Posted - 2010.02.02 15:37:00 - [54] Edited by: Nishachara on 02/02/2010 15:38:55 Edited by: Nishachara on 02/02/2010 15:38:11 Imao ... if space exploration goes to private sector that can only be bad for future of space exploration and manking also... ... You have an example what what would happen right before your eyes... eve... Its a great and fun game to all of us...but ask yourself .. do you want future to look like this ? I mean ...only the most wealthy go to space, super corporations struggling for power...and i beleve common man is down in the gutter at the planet, hungry, cold, and maybe working his dayjob like a slave to one of super corps... ... Imao eve is really nice sociological example ..how we dont want future to be... just my two isk.. :D
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2010.02.02 17:52:00 - [55] Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk Uh ... lets see ... 1) Albert Einstein believed in God. What you might want to know is Einstein was a pantheist, he believed that the universe and the starting mathematics was God, absolutely nothing like any sort of personal God. That is nevertheless a belief in a type of God, even if it is more akin to The Force than anything Christian or Jewish (which was his religious back ground). People's views on religion shift over time so you can read one thing and get one impression, then read another thing and get a different view. The other thing is ... they often have fairly vague beliefs so that any shift is more in degree or emphasis than a complete break with their former outlook - though that certainly does happen. Albert Einsteins Religious Views He does specifically say however, "I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God." Like many human beings Einstein couldn't escape his back ground in the way he thought and expressed himself thus in discussing Quantum Mechanics Albert wrote "I, at any rate, am convinced that He [God] does not throw dice." So, if you tried to pin him down on just what he believed ... he became vague and generalized, denying belief in a personal God - yet in his casual thought patterns and the expressions he used to explain himself - he talks like many another westerner from a Jeudeo-Christian background. Thus, for all his professtation in his disbelief in a personal God - he spoke of God in just those terms, as much a product of his culture as anyone else. The thing is - since, as I said later on, religion is mostly about comfort - it is more concerned with feelings than intellect, belief than knowledge. Knowledge, when applied, needs to be relatively precise, especially when used by someone such as an engineer or scientist - but beliefs can be vague and still fully functional since they are more about emotional satisfaction than precise application. So, to address the aspect of this thread that brought Einstein up - there is no requirement for a person to divorce themselves from religion in order to be a scientist and any such view that this is required - is simplistic. Human beliefs, knowledge and actions can all be very complex and are fully capable of being diametrically opposed on any number of levels yet still fervently held. For example, a person is perfectly capable of passionately loving and hating a romantic interest whom they know they stand no chance what so ever with and yet acting in an entirely emotionally neutral way toward this person. They love the other person, know that they are out of reach, hate them because of it and yet realize that expressing their feelings is a waste of time - so they don't - and eventually get over it. One might argue: That if they love the person they can't hate them or vice versa. That if they know their love is in vain they shouldn't love. That if they feel such passion they can't help but express it. That a love or hate so strong must surely last. Yet people contend with those seemingly conflicting beliefs, knowledge and actions routinely, if not easily ... though some handle it better than others ... Religious Belief, Scientific Knowledge and Daily Actions do not have to be in strict agreement to blithely co-exist in the same persons mind. Each serves different functions - so it doesn't really matter if they don't mesh smoothly. Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools
Admiral Pelleon White Shadow Imperium	Posted - 2010.02.02 18:17:00 - [56] Edited by: Admiral Pelleon on 02/02/2010 18:18:28 Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 01/02/2010 05:02:46 Originally by: Irida Mershkov Bet the Republican supporters are having a field day with this. Pity about it though. Are you kidding? The republicans are probably celebrating right now. After all, god hates science (remember, this is a party whose official position is that Jesus created the entire universe 2000 years ago), so killing NASA is a good thing. The fact that it means more bailout money to give to wealthy CEOs is just nice side benefit. Real republicans don't like the government meddling in the affairs of private business. IE; the bailouts are stupid and should never have happened. Edit: Also this doesn't mean we save money here so we can spend it there, this country's debt and budget are so ****ed that it doesn't make a bit of difference in either case. We'll just print more money when we need it. ________ It's a good day to die!
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate Enclave Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.02 19:54:00 - [57] Uhh... You do realize what obama is doing will actuly HELP progression into space? it's not the goverment that will put mankind there. It's the private indutry. Like with everything else in this world.
Xen Gin Silurian Operations	Posted - 2010.02.02 20:08:00 - [58] Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk Rabble. Yeah call it what you want, its still just TL;DR. ## You got that? Right I'll be back in approximately 300 seconds to retort! ##
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.02.02 20:18:00 - [59] Originally by: Kaeten Uhh... You do realize what obama is doing will actuly HELP progression into space? it's not the goverment that will put mankind there. It's the private indutry. Like with everything else in this world. I for one welcome our new Wayland-Yutani overlords. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.02 20:55:00 - [60] Originally by: M'ktakh I always find it funny that people cant seem to shake the preconception that there are other religions out there besides christianity. I always find it funny that people can't seem to shake the preconception that there is any realistic difference in the three major religions past a few conflicting names, dates and events due to the normal nature of local culture influancing and changing something over the course of millenia. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.

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