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Benilopax Gallente Infinity Enterprises Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.01 00:28:00 - [1] Link Let me say, I completely understand the reasons why this has to happen. It just sucks that it could be another 40 years until we return to the moon or go any further in my life time. Sad day. ----------------------------------- New Eden Chronicles: Prime, Fanfest 2010
Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.02.01 00:52:00 - [2] I have a feeling China will get humans back to the moon a lot sooner than that. Say no to 24000byte sig limit.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Honour Before Death Nominis Expers	Posted - 2010.02.01 02:44:00 - [3] Bet the Republican supporters are having a field day with this. Pity about it though.
illford baker Pilots of Damnation death from above..	Posted - 2010.02.01 04:23:00 - [4] Edited by: illford baker on 01/02/2010 04:26:22 once again, instead of furthering our civilization with science and great achievements, we choose instead to shoot some guys up. with all the money spend on war, we could have warp drive. if this is what last generation is doing, the same one that watched star trek and the moon lading, think of what this generation will do in government! the same people who watched jackass and played modern warfare, we are all screw'd to hell.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2010.02.01 05:03:00 - [5] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 01/02/2010 05:02:46 Originally by: Irida Mershkov Bet the Republican supporters are having a field day with this. Pity about it though. Are you kidding? The republicans are probably celebrating right now. After all, god hates science (remember, this is a party whose official position is that Jesus created the entire universe 2000 years ago), so killing NASA is a good thing. The fact that it means more bailout money to give to wealthy CEOs is just nice side benefit. That is, if they care at all. The sad thing is, most people don't. Originally by: illford baker with all the money spend on war, we could have warp drive. The laws of physics disagree with you. Warp drive is pure science fiction. -----------
Carine Parnasse	Posted - 2010.02.01 05:21:00 - [6] Originally by: illford baker Edited by: illford baker on 01/02/2010 04:26:22 once again, instead of furthering our civilization with science and great achievements, we choose instead to shoot some guys up. with all the money spend on war, we could have warp drive. Have you personally been to the moon? Me neither, but they took a lot of photos. Nothing there but rocks. There are no new medicines, no more food and no new energy sources. Just a bunch of rock. Spending trillions on getting back there when the US is still crawling out of recession and a sizeable portion of it living bellow the poverty line hardly seems a "great achievement"
UVPhoenix2 Gallente Brotherhood of Heart and Steel Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2010.02.01 05:27:00 - [7] Didn't want that rocket anyway. ___ After I'm gone, your Earth will be free to live out its miserable span of existence, as one of my satellites, and that's how it's going to be.
Rowdy Yates Caldari Redneck Rangers	Posted - 2010.02.01 05:32:00 - [8] Edited by: Rowdy Yates on 01/02/2010 05:32:17 Obama sucks. That pretty much covers it.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.01 07:30:00 - [9] Originally by: Carine Parnasse Originally by: illford baker Edited by: illford baker on 01/02/2010 04:26:22 once again, instead of furthering our civilization with science and great achievements, we choose instead to shoot some guys up. with all the money spend on war, we could have warp drive. Have you personally been to the moon? Me neither, but they took a lot of photos. Nothing there but rocks. There are no new medicines, no more food and no new energy sources. Just a bunch of rock. Spending trillions on getting back there when the US is still crawling out of recession and a sizeable portion of it living bellow the poverty line hardly seems a "great achievement" There is now thought to be a source of energy on the moon that could solve all of our energy needs for the next million years at least. Cannot for the life of me remember what it is called though.
Bestofworst Worstofbest Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.02.01 07:36:00 - [10] Originally by: Carine Parnasse Originally by: illford baker Edited by: illford baker on 01/02/2010 04:26:22 once again, instead of furthering our civilization with science and great achievements, we choose instead to shoot some guys up. with all the money spend on war, we could have warp drive. Have you personally been to the moon? Me neither, but they took a lot of photos. Nothing there but rocks. There are no new medicines, no more food and no new energy sources. Just a bunch of rock. Spending trillions on getting back there when the US is still crawling out of recession and a sizeable portion of it living bellow the poverty line hardly seems a "great achievement" Being able to successfully live on the Moon furthers the chance of living on other planets. ________________________________________________ My Music Posts slowly rising in quality to the decline of my dignity.
Alexeph Stoekai Stoekai Corp	Posted - 2010.02.01 08:28:00 - [11] Originally by: Carine Parnasse Have you personally been to the moon? Me neither, but they took a lot of photos. Nothing there but rocks. There are no new medicines, no more food and no new energy sources. Just a bunch of rock. Spending trillions on getting back there when the US is still crawling out of recession and a sizeable portion of it living bellow the poverty line hardly seems a "great achievement" Actually, compared to the Earth, the moon is incredibly rich in Helium-3. If fusion power is realized soon, He-3 is likely to be a core fuel for the post-fission age. That will mean a space race to get monopoly of the nearest large supply of the stuff. -----
Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.02.01 08:34:00 - [12] Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai If fusion power is realized soon, He-3 is likely to be a core fuel for the post-fission age. That will mean a space race to get monopoly of the nearest large supply of the stuff. Race? I hope it is as simple and civil as a race. When we raced to the moon the first time, it was to simply achieve. Overcome a hurdle. Governments can have civil competition over achievements like this. You go tell every major world leader the next best thing since texas crude is on the moon you tell me how civil they will be in staking claim / harvesting/ etc....
Xen Gin Silurian Operations	Posted - 2010.02.01 11:46:00 - [13] To go "back" to the moon, the US should allow NASA, ESA and the FKA to joint venture it, it splits the cost, and doesn't have to relie on one agency and country. ## You got that? Right I'll be back in approximately 300 seconds to retort! ##
Sokratesz	Posted - 2010.02.01 12:12:00 - [14] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Irida Mershkov Bet the Republican supporters are having a field day with this. Pity about it though. Are you kidding? The republicans are probably celebrating right now. After all, god hates science (remember, this is a party whose official position is that Jesus created the entire universe 2000 years ago), so killing NASA is a good thing. The fact that it means more bailout money to give to wealthy CEOs is just nice side benefit. I lol'd Want to test a supercap on SISI but don't have one?
Benilopax Gallente Infinity Enterprises Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.01 12:43:00 - [15] Originally by: Carine Parnasse Originally by: illford baker Edited by: illford baker on 01/02/2010 04:26:22 once again, instead of furthering our civilization with science and great achievements, we choose instead to shoot some guys up. with all the money spend on war, we could have warp drive. Have you personally been to the moon? Me neither, but they took a lot of photos. Nothing there but rocks. There are no new medicines, no more food and no new energy sources. Just a bunch of rock. Spending trillions on getting back there when the US is still crawling out of recession and a sizeable portion of it living bellow the poverty line hardly seems a "great achievement" Teflon, kevlar, velcro, freeze dried food, satellite communication, computers, solar power, cancer drugs. Yes, nothing ever comes from space exploration. ----------------------------------- New Eden Chronicles: Prime, Fanfest 2010
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.02.01 14:07:00 - [16] Wow. Obama sucks more than Bush.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2010.02.01 14:26:00 - [17] Edited by: Nova Fox on 01/02/2010 14:29:33 lets not forgot gel pens! What is it with people thinking that Religion and Science cant coexist? And also catering to the lazier welfare is like a bad episode of southpark where the town gets invaded by homeless folks looking for change. They keep asking for more and all they do is multiply. Also throwing money at any problem never has seemed to ever fix it! I mean look at all the stimulus money sent out used for making commericals about the stimulus and signs about it. Oh btw nasa found out that neptune has diamond oceans better start mining! then again we can make diamonds in labs a heck alot chepaer than mother nature is selling it to us for and alot more perfect than her as well, heck thats how they tell its synthetic now adays, they're too perfect. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 27JAN10
Cornaris	Posted - 2010.02.01 16:05:00 - [18] Originally by: Benilopax Teflon, kevlar, velcro, freeze dried food, satellite communication, computers, solar power, cancer drugs. Yes, nothing ever comes from space exploration. Teflon - Dr. Roy Plunkett at the DuPont research laboratories 1938 Velcro - Swiss electrical engineer named George de Mestral 1940 Kevlar - DuPont chemist named Stephanie Kwolek 1971 Freeze dried food - Benedict and Manning, evolved with time from a laboratory instrument that was referred to as a "chemical pump" 1905 Solar power - AT&T's Bell Labs, Russell Ohl invented silicon solar cell 1941 Not saying nasa dosnt have a trickle down effect or anything... i just always cringe when people use those examples
Sokratesz	Posted - 2010.02.01 16:38:00 - [19] Originally by: Nova Fox What is it with people thinking that Religion and Science cant coexist? Because they are mutually exclusive. Religion makes claims about the universe that science disputes and overturns. NOMA has long ago been tried and it failed horribly. And all the pessimists here need to read 'pale blue dot' by Carl Sagan. Back in 2000, Nasa's budget was less than 5% of the the US army's, so if you cut a little on the latter you can massively increase the former. Doesn't sound like a bad idea tbh. Want to test a supercap on SISI but don't have one?
Rowdy Yates Caldari Redneck Rangers	Posted - 2010.02.01 16:53:00 - [20] God loves you all, even the haters.
JordanParey Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.02.01 17:21:00 - [21] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Are you kidding? The republicans are probably celebrating right now. After all, god hates science (remember, this is a party whose official position is that Jesus created the entire universe 2000 years ago), so killing NASA is a good thing. The fact that it means more bailout money to give to wealthy CEOs is just nice side benefit. The laws of physics disagree with you. Warp drive is pure science fiction. Yes, please, keep generalizing Republicans. It's not like someone can be conservative without religion or anything Ontopic- Dammit, Obama..
FunzzeR Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.01 17:33:00 - [22] Alas, it pains me to say the the future of space exploration lies with private ventures funded by corporations. Which tends favor profit over the simple pursuit of expanding our knowledge. PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!! THEIR WILL SHALL BE DONE!!
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.02.01 18:31:00 - [23] Originally by: JordanParey Yes, please, keep generalizing Republicans. It's not like someone can be conservative without religion or anything Ontopic- Dammit, Obama.. I agree with you. Unfortunately; a good percentage, if not a majority, of the Republican agenda is based on moral conservatism which clashes with true conservatism. That is my humble opinion though. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Zedic Amarr Universalis Imperium	Posted - 2010.02.01 19:03:00 - [24] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Originally by: JordanParey Yes, please, keep generalizing Republicans. It's not like someone can be conservative without religion or anything Ontopic- Dammit, Obama.. I agree with you. Unfortunately; a good percentage, if not a majority, of the Republican agenda is based on moral conservatism which clashes with true conservatism. That is my humble opinion though. Slade And mine as well. I welcome a return of a conservative Republican party that hasn't been hijacked by lunatic right wing nutjobs hell bent on legislating everyone else's thoughts and actions based on their "do as we say, not as we do" style of "religion". My choice of party is pretty survival based. Which one is least likely to stitch pink triangles onto my clothes and then toss me into the nearest oven? No, I'm not saying "republicans are all ****'s". I am saying that the more rabid, fear driven of their base would - given the chance - bend me and mine to their will, or see us removed from existence as we are unrepentant and evil sinners who are unwilling to accept "redemption" from them. Humans are annoying creatures, none of them are ever content to live their own lives without meddling in the affairs of everyone around them.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.01 19:04:00 - [25] Originally by: Carine Parnasse Spending trillions on getting back there when the US is still crawling out of recession and a sizeable portion of it living bellow the poverty line hardly seems a "great achievement" Oh ffs I cringe everytime I see that line used. The only people in the US who are starving are the nutcases who decided living the homeless life was better than a basic 9 to 5 and a full belly. Even the americans living in so called 'poverty' are sitting in their comfy government paid housing eating three squares a day or moar off government food stamps. No this cancellation is purely politcal. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Tallaran Kouros Caldari	Posted - 2010.02.01 19:36:00 - [26] Originally by: Carine Parnasse There are no new medicines, no more food and no new energy sources. Just a bunch of rock. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium-3
Arik VanClaw Helljumpers	Posted - 2010.02.01 19:50:00 - [27] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Nova Fox What is it with people thinking that Religion and Science cant coexist? Because they are mutually exclusive. Religion makes claims about the universe that science disputes and overturns. NOMA has long ago been tried and it failed horribly. Does your opinion on this not allow for the view that science is the natural explanation of the laws that God created to govern the universe? I don't see why science and God cannot co-exist. Today, instead of saying something unexplained was a supernatural or miraculous occurence, we have the science to determine what natural effects occured to make such an event happen(sorry no examples coming to mind). The initiator of such an incident may be in debate but the processes can be agreed upon by both scientists and religious alike (barring radicals at both ends of the spectrum of course, no compromise can be achieved at those extremes). Interestingly, it looks to me like the science only view doesn't allow for the impossible, which is really kind of limiting don't you think? Viewing science as a tool for learning and explaining God's world allows for the impossible or as yet unexplained in the form of miracles, or at least perceived as such until science finds a way to explain how said "miracles" occured.
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.02.01 20:17:00 - [28] Originally by: Cornaris Originally by: Benilopax Teflon, kevlar, velcro, freeze dried food, satellite communication, computers, solar power, cancer drugs. Yes, nothing ever comes from space exploration. Teflon - Dr. Roy Plunkett at the DuPont research laboratories 1938 Velcro - Swiss electrical engineer named George de Mestral 1940 Kevlar - DuPont chemist named Stephanie Kwolek 1971 Freeze dried food - Benedict and Manning, evolved with time from a laboratory instrument that was referred to as a "chemical pump" 1905 Solar power - AT&T's Bell Labs, Russell Ohl invented silicon solar cell 1941 Not saying nasa dosnt have a trickle down effect or anything... i just always cringe when people use those examples Likewise. Still, Obama is a massive tool for binning Constellation and shafting NASA's funding. Privatising the space program is a seriously dumbass move. Sure, it makes things cheaper but in the end the accident rate will skyrocket and health and safety will be a nightmare as private corporations squeeze every last cent out of the running costs of their hardware. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2010.02.01 21:07:00 - [29] Like that one pratice of not eating unclean animals as we come to find out that overall they're unhealthy to eat and secondly we didnt have fires hot enough to kill all the nasty little bugs they keep eating up. Of course we didnt know about the bugs until way way way later and it took science to understand it. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 27JAN10
Jhagiti Tyran Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2010.02.01 21:40:00 - [30] Originally by: Merin Ryskin The laws of physics disagree with you. Warp drive is pure science fiction. According to our current understanding yes but how many things that science declared impossible turned out to be possible once we better understood things or when technology advanced? It would be pure hubris if we thought we had everything totally figured out and that we had a total understanding and believed future discoveries wont turn current theories upside down.

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