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tempwoman
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Posted - 2010.02.03 00:53:00 -
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I've been debating on getting a Cerb, but can't decide if it is a ship I'll use much. Any thoughts?
Thanks!
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.02.03 00:59:00 -
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NO.
Thought I'd clear that up for you.
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Stuart Price
Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.02.03 01:14:00 -
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If you're not sure, the Cerb is not for you. If you have a specific use in mind, you'll already know that you'll use it. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate' |
Zoe Midoru
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.02.03 01:18:00 -
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Is there anything a Cerb really does that a cheaper or more insurable ship doesn't do just as well?
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.02.03 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Zoe Midoru Is there anything a Cerb really does that a cheaper or more insurable ship doesn't do just as well?
Yes, but it's pretty niche IMO.
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.03 01:38:00 -
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/has flashbacks
Damper Cerbs!
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Last Wolf
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.02.03 01:53:00 -
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I miss my nano cerb. Besides, I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down |
Asuka Smith
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2010.02.03 02:11:00 -
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Cerberus will MURDER frigates with an assault missile fit, or it can do very solid DPS with heavies. Or for solo it can HAM fit although that fit sucks.
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Siddy
Minmatar Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.03 03:46:00 -
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Edited by: Siddy on 03/02/2010 03:47:11 There was this time when cerbs were useful.
fitted bravely with 4 WCS.
now, take you pick of ships that does same thing as cerb cheaper:
Drake
Beter:
tengu, nighthawk
Inshurable:
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2010.02.03 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Siddy Edited by: Siddy on 03/02/2010 03:47:11 There was this time when cerbs were useful.
fitted bravely with 4 WCS.
now, take you pick of ships that does same thing as cerb cheaper:
Drake
Beter:
tengu, nighthawk
Inshurable:
Raven
Only one of those does what a Cerb can, and it doesn't do it nearly as well.
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Naomi Knight
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.02.03 12:37:00 -
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Cerb is weak it is not good sniper because of delay , and it is not so good close becuase it lacks tank/tackle , only real use is at med range but zealot/muninn do that better.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2010.02.03 12:48:00 -
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compared directly with the caracel, its really not alot of improvment for the money and compared with BC's and other HACs it only fills very niche roles.
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Naomi Knight
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.02.03 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Fighter compared directly with the caracel, its really not alot of improvment for the money and compared with BC's and other HACs it only fills very niche roles.
Whats that role?
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FlameGlow
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.03 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Naomi Knight
Originally by: Dr Fighter compared directly with the caracel, its really not alot of improvment for the money and compared with BC's and other HACs it only fills very niche roles.
Whats that role?
I don't know, maybe he means some gimmicks like launching heavy missiles to 250km or using assault launchers and rigor rigs to pop any frig-size stuff within 90km? _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button. |
Red zeon
Caldari Circle of Shadows Black Swan.
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Posted - 2010.02.03 13:10:00 -
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actually ive never seen any reason picking cerb over stealthbomber but i have one in 00, and decided id go solo with it, fitted with 7k shield buffer, and 2 nanofibers it aligns fast, and i killed a drake with 25k shield, with about 90hp regen tho i had only 20% shield left and 82% heat dmg on launchers. without reloading ofc was even in a station system with about 15people in local and i killed a brutix without any effort.
so actually im kinda supriced, its a decent solo ship. usually ive flown rook for solo, but its so dam slow.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2010.02.03 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: FlameGlow
Originally by: Naomi Knight
Originally by: Dr Fighter compared directly with the caracel, its really not alot of improvment for the money and compared with BC's and other HACs it only fills very niche roles.
Whats that role?
I don't know, maybe he means some gimmicks like launching heavy missiles to 250km or using assault launchers and rigor rigs to pop any frig-size stuff within 90km?
yeah, also its range and resistances would make for good plex gang support. I used to use a cerb years ago in lvl 4 missions along side a CNR, missions were alot less DS and more ranged.
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.02.03 14:28:00 -
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Edited by: Mendolus on 03/02/2010 14:33:31 After missiles were brought into line with the other weaponry in the game the Cerberus kind of lost its niche role using javelins and whatnot. I remember being tackled by an Interceptor 20k off a station when I first started playing, and a Cerberus on grid at 85km pelting me from above with javelins. At the time it was amazing, even being the poor sod taking the beating in a wartime engagement. However, I own a Cerb or two, and have for six months now, and rarely undock them, usually when I do not feel like doing much work in the fleet (like chasing down primaries to get in range). Which is kind of a poor excuse to even own one, but meh... I am still fond of them because of their ingame legacy more than anything. If CCP would swap the ROF bonus with an explosion velocity bonus like the Nighthawk has, I think it might be a vastly different story.
TLDNR Do not bother with HAMs on a Cerb, use a Drake. If you really wanna fly one, make sure you are expecting mixed gang combat in 0.0, otherwise it's kind of a waste.
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Exlegion
Caldari Salva Veritate
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Posted - 2010.02.03 14:58:00 -
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The cerb has ridiculous range (close to 250km). For a cruiser hull, you can hardly find anything that can do that. In the right gang it becomes virtually invulnerable at that range and still be able to put out over 400 DPS.
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Achura Model
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Posted - 2010.02.03 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: Achura Model on 03/02/2010 15:43:46
Cerberus is good vs logistics. But you need a lot of them (5 or even 10). Cerberus is generally good for a long long-range fights vs ships that can't just warp away with out a significant weakening their gangs.
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Bazman
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.02.03 15:57:00 -
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I like the Cerb, I use it for small gang grid denial of nano ships.
Someone using a max range rigged Cerb and good bookmarks/warp in's can pretty much make a 250km no fly zone for Vagabonds/Speed fit HAC's. Obviously pretty useless when theres too many ships flying about but its the one thing this ship does that no other cruiser/bc can do.
Also hitting *****es at 245km is pro -----
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Max Tux
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Posted - 2010.02.03 16:24:00 -
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Cerb is great in small gangs, fit shield buffer, 2 nano 2 bcs for good speed and range. Can stay at a decent range and be used as anti- ewar, ecm ship appear on grid, burn towards it overloading launchers, mwd and eccm. If you get jammed switch to fof missiles :-p. Non instant damage isn't always bad. Using the quick approach, you actually increase your dps for a short time,as you are moving towards the target. Don't know if it still works but if you are lucky with your gang member placement, then you can fire, warp closer and fire again, can be done up to three times and as long as you don't leave grid all your missiles will hit at roughly the same time, giving you 3times the volley.
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Morikai Acler
Caldari Gladiators of Rage Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.02.03 16:32:00 -
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I actually own fly 2 different cerb fits. One is a standard heavy missile fit, and other is HAM low sig radius high resist fit. Anything that gets within tackle range on the ham fit usually dies, due to mwd denial. I don't use the old school Heavy fit often due to missile flight time. And some times I'll change out the heavy fit for an assault launcher fit for anti tackle. They're actually decent dps ships for mixed gangs, and good at chasing off logi's, or anything that has a weak spot in their resists.
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AnKahn
Caldari Unknown-Entity Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.02.03 17:06:00 -
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Actually like this ship in current form, must have been nice before when it was stronger.
Requires you to think for yourself a little. More like a Falcon than a Drake. You hear what the FC wants done then do what you have to to get 'er done. you can't just warp around like a school of fish you have to make sure you land on the battle field at range.
Once you are 100KM from everyone else you are pretty untouchable. Anything comming to get you you can kill before they get there. Which means you sometimes have to switch off the primary, have situational awarness and independant thinking. This is useful abilities for a lot of other more niche ships so good training to make yourself a better pilot.
Damage is good on most enemy ships. And that delay in damage? Like the Joker says, "I prefer the knife over the gun. The gun is too quick". You don't want to be tackled with a few cerbs anywhere on the field.
But yea, fly a Drake. Not really that much cheaper tho.
Really now want to try out the Eagle for comparison.
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.02.03 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Siddy Edited by: Siddy on 03/02/2010 03:47:11 There was this time when cerbs were useful.
fitted bravely with 4 WCS.
now, take you pick of ships that does same thing as cerb cheaper:
Drake
Beter:
tengu, nighthawk
Inshurable:
Raven
I wonder if any of those can lob heavy missiles at 230km...
tbh I consider HML cerb as long range damage support. don't confound this as sniper tho, since it's damage is not instant.
other than that role, dunno. ---
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Hiroshima Jita
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Posted - 2010.02.03 17:28:00 -
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Cerb Roles -Killing Frigates Really Fast From Quite a Long Way Away
-Being a good sniperhac except for the part where your damage is delayed
Cerbs underpreform everywhere else. If you're in close quarters combat you want a Drake. If you want frigates to suicide on you, you probably should fly a Caracal or a Caracal Navy Issue. (Cerb will shred frigs slightly faster.)
The Cerb is not really a nanoship. It goes 1400 m/s and when you put two nanos on it you can get to 1600 m/s. That leaves you with just two lowslots btw. 1700 m/s if you have some rogue implants and zor's custom navigation hyperlink. You can cram HAMs on it and you end up with something half as fast as a vagabond, with less EHP and less DPS.
A cerb is also never going to be a good idea for pve compared to other options, even if the criterea includes surviving in hostile territory.
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Jim Raynor
Caldari Sinister Corporation
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Posted - 2010.02.03 17:45:00 -
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The only advantage of the Cerberus is that it can engage at pretty much any distance.. heavy assault launchers don't work on it, so don't bother with them you will be gimped.. it's more mobile than the Drake but yeah anything up close you will get shredded.. range flexibility and mobility is key.. it doesn't really do bad DPS you get a respectable 400DPS out of it..
So if you are in a corp that does mobile HAC/RECON gangs a Cerberus isn't bad.. a Rook is kind of better though since it doesn't do horrible dps and its got jammy power gang utility and isn't really much worse defensively and is just as mobile..
I kind of like the Cerberus though personally. :) ------ I'll make a sig later. |
AnKahn
Caldari Unknown-Entity Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.02.03 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor
I kind of like the Cerberus though personally. :)
It has that Klingon thing going on..
Drakes are inside the gang shooting out and Cerbs should be outside the gang shooting in. imho
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Jim Raynor
Caldari Sinister Corporation
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Posted - 2010.02.03 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: AnKahn
Originally by: Jim Raynor
I kind of like the Cerberus though personally. :)
It has that Klingon thing going on..
Drakes are inside the gang shooting out and Cerbs should be outside the gang shooting in. imho
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Abortica Inbortaliss
The United Snakes IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.02.03 23:15:00 -
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Here is a nice video of a Cerb solo pvping in providence, this is Lord Mack from Ushra Kahn, YOU TUBE
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.03 23:37:00 -
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If you have to ask, it isn't.
Cerb is a very specialized ship - what it does, is lobs missiles a very long way. If you need to do this, you'll know about it, and if you don't, just fly Drake instead.
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