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Fuglife
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Posted - 2004.11.25 11:42:00 -
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i could imagine it now... nerf the SAS they are wtfpwning everyone in combat and its just not fair!
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Fuglife
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Posted - 2004.11.25 11:42:00 -
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i could imagine it now... nerf the SAS they are wtfpwning everyone in combat and its just not fair!
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0seeker0
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Posted - 2004.11.25 11:52:00 -
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 Originally by: Fuglife
i could imagine it now... nerf the SAS they are wtfpwning everyone in combat and its just not fair!
lol!
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0seeker0
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Posted - 2004.11.25 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Fuglife
i could imagine it now... nerf the SAS they are wtfpwning everyone in combat and its just not fair!
lol!
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.11.25 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Def Antares
Ferox: 5 med hybrids (rails) with optimal range bonus (means hit less when target closes in)
Wrong - as some post's above mentioned it ...
Trakking is optimal range inside optimal range ;)
1400mms Trakking optimal is baut 60km and fall off optimal is 40km
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.11.25 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Def Antares
Ferox: 5 med hybrids (rails) with optimal range bonus (means hit less when target closes in)
Wrong - as some post's above mentioned it ...
Trakking is optimal range inside optimal range ;)
1400mms Trakking optimal is baut 60km and fall off optimal is 40km
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Sangxianc
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Posted - 2004.11.25 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Fuglife
i could imagine it now... nerf the SAS they are wtfpwning everyone in combat and its just not fair!
hehe
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Sangxianc
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Posted - 2004.11.25 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Fuglife
i could imagine it now... nerf the SAS they are wtfpwning everyone in combat and its just not fair!
hehe
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Madmartigan
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Posted - 2004.11.25 13:52:00 -
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I¦ve said it before, I¦ll say it again, and propably not for the last time.
Nerfing is imo the absolute worst way of going about balancing things out.
If CCP feels that any ship/module is overpowered, they should think of that as a great oppertunity for some historical trweaking. The races all strive to match and get better than the next one, so if a Caldari ship is overpowered towards a Gallente ship, Gallentean scientists should do their upmost to counter that and make their weapons/modules better than Caldari ones and vice versa.
Same applies to Amarr/Minmatar.
I just completally hate when things get nerfed because of some "overpowering". It¦s just plain stupid. There¦s no way to make everyone happy about everything, if you don¦t like how this ship/module works, try something else.
That¦s why some people drive Ferrari and some Mercedes.
Different cars to suit different needs//desires.
I would just love tosee this work in Eve, cancel everything that remotelly looks lika nerfing and start evolving instead.
Mad
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Madmartigan
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Posted - 2004.11.25 13:52:00 -
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I¦ve said it before, I¦ll say it again, and propably not for the last time.
Nerfing is imo the absolute worst way of going about balancing things out.
If CCP feels that any ship/module is overpowered, they should think of that as a great oppertunity for some historical trweaking. The races all strive to match and get better than the next one, so if a Caldari ship is overpowered towards a Gallente ship, Gallentean scientists should do their upmost to counter that and make their weapons/modules better than Caldari ones and vice versa.
Same applies to Amarr/Minmatar.
I just completally hate when things get nerfed because of some "overpowering". It¦s just plain stupid. There¦s no way to make everyone happy about everything, if you don¦t like how this ship/module works, try something else.
That¦s why some people drive Ferrari and some Mercedes.
Different cars to suit different needs//desires.
I would just love tosee this work in Eve, cancel everything that remotelly looks lika nerfing and start evolving instead.
Mad
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Sheraad
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Posted - 2004.11.25 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Madmartigan
I¦ve said it before, I¦ll say it again, and propably not for the last time.
Nerfing is imo the absolute worst way of going about balancing things out.
Well, I tend to agree with you but bear in mind that BC nerfs were carried out on a TEST server. A server intended to see if, amongst other things, battlecruisers were too powerful or not powerful enough.
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Sheraad
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Posted - 2004.11.25 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Madmartigan
I¦ve said it before, I¦ll say it again, and propably not for the last time.
Nerfing is imo the absolute worst way of going about balancing things out.
Well, I tend to agree with you but bear in mind that BC nerfs were carried out on a TEST server. A server intended to see if, amongst other things, battlecruisers were too powerful or not powerful enough.
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Isonkon Serikain
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Posted - 2004.11.26 08:17:00 -
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Hey I agree with clay, nothing needs to be even all the time. In this case I think the ferox rocks waaaay more. I will be trying blasterboat setups with the ferox and I bet you it will beat the brutix as a blasterboat because of its tank.
Maybe im waay off, practice will tell
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Isonkon Serikain
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Posted - 2004.11.26 08:17:00 -
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Hey I agree with clay, nothing needs to be even all the time. In this case I think the ferox rocks waaaay more. I will be trying blasterboat setups with the ferox and I bet you it will beat the brutix as a blasterboat because of its tank.
Maybe im waay off, practice will tell
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2004.11.26 10:39:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 26/11/2004 10:42:32
Originally by: Def Antares
Edited by: Def Antares on 24/11/2004 23:07:15
Originally by: Isonkon Serikain
I was gonna say the brutix is a lame duck.
PPl take a look at the grid and cpu and ship bonus before you start whining about the brutix being overpowered.
*cough* ferox powergrid 925 *cough* brutix 1000 *cough*
get a brutix and try to fit a minimally survivable ship (mwd and some basic tanking stuff) with a full rack ion blasters. You can't cuz the grid is just too short. Didn't tried out with electrons thou...
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2004.11.26 10:39:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 26/11/2004 10:42:32
Originally by: Def Antares
Edited by: Def Antares on 24/11/2004 23:07:15
Originally by: Isonkon Serikain
I was gonna say the brutix is a lame duck.
PPl take a look at the grid and cpu and ship bonus before you start whining about the brutix being overpowered.
*cough* ferox powergrid 925 *cough* brutix 1000 *cough*
get a brutix and try to fit a minimally survivable ship (mwd and some basic tanking stuff) with a full rack ion blasters. You can't cuz the grid is just too short. Didn't tried out with electrons thou...
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.11.26 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: Slithereen on 26/11/2004 12:21:11
Ferox is a nice shield tank.
Nice hardening bonuses on damage type per level.
I always like range bonuses because you can use more damaging ammo farther instead of using less damaging ammo for range.
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.11.26 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: Slithereen on 26/11/2004 12:21:11
Ferox is a nice shield tank.
Nice hardening bonuses on damage type per level.
I always like range bonuses because you can use more damaging ammo farther instead of using less damaging ammo for range.
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"Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies,
"Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.
"Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
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Madmartigan
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:05:00 -
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Well, I tend to agree with you but bear in mind that BC nerfs were carried out on a TEST server. A server intended to see if, amongst other things, battlecruisers were too powerful or not powerful enough.
I couldn¦t agree with you more Sheraad. But the reason I said this is because people keep whining about this and that needing a nerfing, even after it¦s off the test servers. Imo nothing should ever be nerfed, unless of course there¦s absolutelly no other way of fixing the problem in question, when things have been released on TQ.
After release everything should be up to evolution ( no not the corp :) )
Mad
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Madmartigan
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:05:00 -
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Well, I tend to agree with you but bear in mind that BC nerfs were carried out on a TEST server. A server intended to see if, amongst other things, battlecruisers were too powerful or not powerful enough.
I couldn¦t agree with you more Sheraad. But the reason I said this is because people keep whining about this and that needing a nerfing, even after it¦s off the test servers. Imo nothing should ever be nerfed, unless of course there¦s absolutelly no other way of fixing the problem in question, when things have been released on TQ.
After release everything should be up to evolution ( no not the corp :) )
Mad
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MECHcore
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Posted - 2004.11.27 04:07:00 -
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the ferox will own the brutix 
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MECHcore
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Posted - 2004.11.27 04:07:00 -
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the ferox will own the brutix
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Sheraad
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Posted - 2004.11.27 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: MECHcore
the ferox will own the brutix
I think a far more interesting question is ferox vs prophecy, personally.
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Sheraad
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Posted - 2004.11.27 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: MECHcore
the ferox will own the brutix
I think a far more interesting question is ferox vs prophecy, personally.
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.11.27 05:42:00 -
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The Prophecy is the BC to beat right now at least when it comes to market sales. CPU, fair, nice grid typical of Amarr, with the usual strengths in cap that are an Amarrian strength. The beauty is the Maller like bonus where the armor damage types being strengthened 5% each level, giving it strong potenial as an armor tank. The look and appearance of the Chicken Hawk has certainly stirred the market (it's popularly known in Amarr space as the Chicken). I like to evaluate the Cyclone too, but currently I have not formed an opinion on it.
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"Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies,
"Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.
"Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.11.27 05:42:00 -
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The Prophecy is the BC to beat right now at least when it comes to market sales. CPU, fair, nice grid typical of Amarr, with the usual strengths in cap that are an Amarrian strength. The beauty is the Maller like bonus where the armor damage types being strengthened 5% each level, giving it strong potenial as an armor tank. The look and appearance of the Chicken Hawk has certainly stirred the market (it's popularly known in Amarr space as the Chicken). I like to evaluate the Cyclone too, but currently I have not formed an opinion on it.
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"Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies,
"Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.
"Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
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Cal Drago
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Posted - 2004.11.27 10:02:00 -
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I just built a Cyclone. Not only do I think that it's a good looking ship (in a Minmatar sort of way), I like the stats. It has a nice even spread of slots, much like the Minmatar destroyer, Thrasher. 8 high, 4 med, 4 low. That's just perfect for me. I was able to fit 5-720s and 3 Heavy launchers, shield tank it, and put in plenty of damage mods. I ended up spending every CPU point (out of 500) with a few power grid points to spare.
Tested it out later on, and I was popping Garista frigs from 50+ Killometers away with one or two volleys (720s seem to miss a lot, even with the tracking enhancer 2 and good skills). Also, it has the same drone space as the Rupture. Very nice overall. I also have a Ferox. I like them both, but Minmatar especially appeals to me because of the weapons not using cap. It gives me lots of cap for shield tanking and leaves my low slots open for damage mods.
The only question I have is: Are 720s a good gun? I know the projectiles are nerfed, but I have heard it said that 650s are better than 720s because they hit more often. Is this true?
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Cal Drago
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Posted - 2004.11.27 10:02:00 -
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I just built a Cyclone. Not only do I think that it's a good looking ship (in a Minmatar sort of way), I like the stats. It has a nice even spread of slots, much like the Minmatar destroyer, Thrasher. 8 high, 4 med, 4 low. That's just perfect for me. I was able to fit 5-720s and 3 Heavy launchers, shield tank it, and put in plenty of damage mods. I ended up spending every CPU point (out of 500) with a few power grid points to spare.
Tested it out later on, and I was popping Garista frigs from 50+ Killometers away with one or two volleys (720s seem to miss a lot, even with the tracking enhancer 2 and good skills). Also, it has the same drone space as the Rupture. Very nice overall. I also have a Ferox. I like them both, but Minmatar especially appeals to me because of the weapons not using cap. It gives me lots of cap for shield tanking and leaves my low slots open for damage mods.
The only question I have is: Are 720s a good gun? I know the projectiles are nerfed, but I have heard it said that 650s are better than 720s because they hit more often. Is this true?
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Del Narveux
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Posted - 2004.11.27 10:29:00 -
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Brutix and Ferox are both good, in their own ways. Also remember that Ferox can run EW almost as well as bbird, but has plenty of killing power. However I could see Brutix getting a little more cap, and maybe dumping the armor rep bonus in favor of a speed or MWD bonus like Rax gets. Id also like to see Ferox lose some of its gun slots and get a missle damage bonus instead of the hybrid thing, would counter a lot of the shortcomings of Caracal while not making Cal obsolete (as its speed beef lets it outrange Ferox by a lot). Caldari and guns dont mix, just look at Moa...okay ship, but sucky for a tier 3 power cruiser.
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Del Narveux
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Posted - 2004.11.27 10:29:00 -
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Brutix and Ferox are both good, in their own ways. Also remember that Ferox can run EW almost as well as bbird, but has plenty of killing power. However I could see Brutix getting a little more cap, and maybe dumping the armor rep bonus in favor of a speed or MWD bonus like Rax gets. Id also like to see Ferox lose some of its gun slots and get a missle damage bonus instead of the hybrid thing, would counter a lot of the shortcomings of Caracal while not making Cal obsolete (as its speed beef lets it outrange Ferox by a lot). Caldari and guns dont mix, just look at Moa...okay ship, but sucky for a tier 3 power cruiser.
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