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Def Antares
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Posted - 2004.11.24 21:16:00 -
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Ferox: 5 med hybrids (rails) with optimal range bonus (means hit less when target closes in) vs Brutix: 7 med hybrids (blasters) with damage bonus ... what happened here?? the other BC's seem more balanced towards the ferox, the brutix seems way overpowered with it's 7 guns and 5 lows ...
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Def Antares
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Posted - 2004.11.24 21:16:00 -
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Ferox: 5 med hybrids (rails) with optimal range bonus (means hit less when target closes in) vs Brutix: 7 med hybrids (blasters) with damage bonus ... what happened here?? the other BC's seem more balanced towards the ferox, the brutix seems way overpowered with it's 7 guns and 5 lows ...
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.11.24 21:23:00 -
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I'm not saying the brutix is or isn't too powerful, but go check the grid/CPU differences on the two, and go try to fit 7 blasters on the Brutix.
You'll see why it has 5 lows then.
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.11.24 21:23:00 -
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I'm not saying the brutix is or isn't too powerful, but go check the grid/CPU differences on the two, and go try to fit 7 blasters on the Brutix.
You'll see why it has 5 lows then.
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Terradoct
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Posted - 2004.11.24 21:26:00 -
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Edited by: Terradoct on 24/11/2004 21:29:25
Yeah Brutix is uber and way overpowerd, lets nerf his PG and CPU onec more, oh no..he has the lowerst cpu and pg allready. Not to mentiont that his capasitor capacity is the lowerst from all BC
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Terradoct
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Posted - 2004.11.24 21:26:00 -
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Edited by: Terradoct on 24/11/2004 21:29:25
Yeah Brutix is uber and way overpowerd, lets nerf his PG and CPU onec more, oh no..he has the lowerst cpu and pg allready. Not to mentiont that his capasitor capacity is the lowerst from all BC
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2004.11.24 22:39:00 -
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Brutix got the best possible bonuses: damage mod and armor tanking mod. What more could one ask for?
I think it is overpowered, change one of its bonuses to something less uber.
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2004.11.24 22:39:00 -
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Brutix got the best possible bonuses: damage mod and armor tanking mod. What more could one ask for?
I think it is overpowered, change one of its bonuses to something less uber.
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Isonkon Serikain
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Posted - 2004.11.24 22:42:00 -
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I was gonna say the brutix is a lame duck.
PPl take a look at the grid and cpu and ship bonus before you start whining about the brutix being overpowered.
If it follows gallente combat doctrine of closing in with short range blasters, its very poorly setup for this: Lowest base speed of all Battlecruisers, small cap... Which is lame considering hybrids require the use of cap. At least Caldari can use launchers and save on cap for tanking.
You will never fit 7 medium hybrids on that grid, either, at least not big ones. I'll stick to my thorax, thanks for a nice looking ship, tho...
And the bonus, don't get me started. The tanking bonus is more of a weakness than a strenghth, as it only exists as long as you have cap to tank with. The brutix does not have much of it to begin with. Compare this to the Caldari resist bonus, which is awesome, you could be out of cap you'll still have a high resist and an effective bonus. In the end, this makes the brutix an easy target, just pack cap drainers and its a dead bird. I fear that a well tanked Ferox will be able to take down a brutix in blaster range anyday, which is not how it should be, or should it?
For the sake of balance, fix the bonus to something that does not rely on another attribute, like the damage resist bonus... It does not make a bonus, more like an achilles heel compared to the other ships (I know minmatar has the same type of bonus, sorry it seems you get the shaft too)
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Isonkon Serikain
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Posted - 2004.11.24 22:42:00 -
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I was gonna say the brutix is a lame duck.
PPl take a look at the grid and cpu and ship bonus before you start whining about the brutix being overpowered.
If it follows gallente combat doctrine of closing in with short range blasters, its very poorly setup for this: Lowest base speed of all Battlecruisers, small cap... Which is lame considering hybrids require the use of cap. At least Caldari can use launchers and save on cap for tanking.
You will never fit 7 medium hybrids on that grid, either, at least not big ones. I'll stick to my thorax, thanks for a nice looking ship, tho...
And the bonus, don't get me started. The tanking bonus is more of a weakness than a strenghth, as it only exists as long as you have cap to tank with. The brutix does not have much of it to begin with. Compare this to the Caldari resist bonus, which is awesome, you could be out of cap you'll still have a high resist and an effective bonus. In the end, this makes the brutix an easy target, just pack cap drainers and its a dead bird. I fear that a well tanked Ferox will be able to take down a brutix in blaster range anyday, which is not how it should be, or should it?
For the sake of balance, fix the bonus to something that does not rely on another attribute, like the damage resist bonus... It does not make a bonus, more like an achilles heel compared to the other ships (I know minmatar has the same type of bonus, sorry it seems you get the shaft too)
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Def Antares
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Posted - 2004.11.24 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: Def Antares on 24/11/2004 23:04:28
dbpost :/
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Def Antares
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Posted - 2004.11.24 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: Def Antares on 24/11/2004 23:04:28
dbpost :/
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Def Antares
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Posted - 2004.11.24 23:01:00 -
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Edited by: Def Antares on 24/11/2004 23:07:15
 Originally by: Isonkon Serikain
I was gonna say the brutix is a lame duck.
PPl take a look at the grid and cpu and ship bonus before you start whining about the brutix being overpowered.
*cough* ferox powergrid 925 *cough* brutix 1000 *cough*
you can easily fit 7 ion blasters here, the damage plus from the BC bonus will do nicely here, you can also fit a mix of ion and neutron blasters with decent skills and modules.
and the armor repairer bonus is a hindrance? well at last you can use a MWD without severe hitpoint penalty to your main type of tanking, wich seems to be good for a blaster ship ...
talk about hindrance ... what about the ferox' optimal range bonus? it basically means you hit worse if something get's below it, wich happens quicker with an increased optimal range. it should have been falloff range to be of any use.
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Def Antares
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Posted - 2004.11.24 23:01:00 -
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Edited by: Def Antares on 24/11/2004 23:07:15
Originally by: Isonkon Serikain
I was gonna say the brutix is a lame duck.
PPl take a look at the grid and cpu and ship bonus before you start whining about the brutix being overpowered.
*cough* ferox powergrid 925 *cough* brutix 1000 *cough*
you can easily fit 7 ion blasters here, the damage plus from the BC bonus will do nicely here, you can also fit a mix of ion and neutron blasters with decent skills and modules.
and the armor repairer bonus is a hindrance? well at last you can use a MWD without severe hitpoint penalty to your main type of tanking, wich seems to be good for a blaster ship ...
talk about hindrance ... what about the ferox' optimal range bonus? it basically means you hit worse if something get's below it, wich happens quicker with an increased optimal range. it should have been falloff range to be of any use.
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Weirda
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Posted - 2004.11.24 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Def Antares
talk about hindrance ... what about the ferox' optimal range bonus? it basically means you hit worse if something get's below it, wich happens quicker with an increased optimal range. it should have been falloff range to be of any use.
Optimal range is ALWAYS a bonus.
The gun's tracking determines its 'real' optimal range, the 'optimal range' stat just determines whether or not they going to apply the falloff penalty.
There was a really good thread about a week back over this... will try to find link for you.
Of course - optimal range is not very helpful in short range setups...
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Weirda
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Posted - 2004.11.24 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Def Antares
talk about hindrance ... what about the ferox' optimal range bonus? it basically means you hit worse if something get's below it, wich happens quicker with an increased optimal range. it should have been falloff range to be of any use.
Optimal range is ALWAYS a bonus.
The gun's tracking determines its 'real' optimal range, the 'optimal range' stat just determines whether or not they going to apply the falloff penalty.
There was a really good thread about a week back over this... will try to find link for you.
Of course - optimal range is not very helpful in short range setups...
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.11.24 23:20:00 -
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Edited by: Dust Puppy on 24/11/2004 23:23:35
Edited by: Dust Puppy on 24/11/2004 23:23:00
Originally by: Def Antares
talk about hindrance ... what about the ferox' optimal range bonus? it basically means you hit worse if something get's below it, wich happens quicker with an increased optimal range. it should have been falloff range to be of any use.
Arrrg no you don't hit worse below optimal even if you increase optimal (in my theory you actually hit better but that is a work in making). It's not like you have 10km optimal 1km falloff that means that accuracy falls about half at 11km (actually get more tracking there though) but it doesn't mean that accuracy falls about half at 9km.
edit: to sum up it's always better to have optimal range as high as possible.
edit2: Damn you Weirda and your l33t typing skill 
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.11.24 23:20:00 -
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Edited by: Dust Puppy on 24/11/2004 23:23:35
Edited by: Dust Puppy on 24/11/2004 23:23:00
Originally by: Def Antares
talk about hindrance ... what about the ferox' optimal range bonus? it basically means you hit worse if something get's below it, wich happens quicker with an increased optimal range. it should have been falloff range to be of any use.
Arrrg no you don't hit worse below optimal even if you increase optimal (in my theory you actually hit better but that is a work in making). It's not like you have 10km optimal 1km falloff that means that accuracy falls about half at 11km (actually get more tracking there though) but it doesn't mean that accuracy falls about half at 9km.
edit: to sum up it's always better to have optimal range as high as possible.
edit2: Damn you Weirda and your l33t typing skill
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Celt Eireson
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Posted - 2004.11.24 23:21:00 -
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Optimal bonus doesnt affect hit rates sub-optimal only tracking does.
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Celt Eireson
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Posted - 2004.11.24 23:21:00 -
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Optimal bonus doesnt affect hit rates sub-optimal only tracking does.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2004.11.25 01:31:00 -
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Oh no! Gallante has a ship that's acctually good! Nerf it! Nerf it! Quickly, my brain hurts when there are more then two races that have good ships! :D
No seriously, Ferox can also mount 5 launchers, the Brutix cannot have any launchers. that does make some difference in my opinion.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2004.11.25 01:31:00 -
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Oh no! Gallante has a ship that's acctually good! Nerf it! Nerf it! Quickly, my brain hurts when there are more then two races that have good ships! :D
No seriously, Ferox can also mount 5 launchers, the Brutix cannot have any launchers. that does make some difference in my opinion.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.11.25 01:42:00 -
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eh, Ferox has 5 launcher slots, why fit guns?
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.11.25 01:42:00 -
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eh, Ferox has 5 launcher slots, why fit guns?
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Clay101
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Posted - 2004.11.25 01:47:00 -
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Edited by: Clay101 on 25/11/2004 01:51:28
OMG WTF IT WTFBBQPWNS THE OTHER ONE AHHHH BLARG OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!!111!!11!1!!!!
WTF guys - it seems that with all these people complaining about "oh this isn't balanced, lets nerf it so it is" or "OMG this ship doesn't have this much of this but that ship has way more" - it seems that all you want is 4 ships to fly and only 4 no more ...
1 BS
1 Cruiser
1 Frig
1 Hauler
no races no difference between them NOTHING ...
GET OVER IT - things aren't meant to be PERFECTLY BALLANCED - some ships WILL be better than others in some respects but not as good in other respects ... if you don't like the Ferox - fly a Brutix simple as that - done - no "if's", "and's" or "but's" to it ... that's it just fly the other ship OMG was that hard?
i don't fly Heron because it sux - i don't fly an Osprey because it sux (I PvP) - i don't fly haulers because they SUCK ...
ok i'm done sry if i offended anyone - plz no flame - i'm finished - i won't post anything on this topic again - i'm through - no more ...
(i'l probly check and post here tomorow  )
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Clay101
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Posted - 2004.11.25 01:47:00 -
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Edited by: Clay101 on 25/11/2004 01:51:28
OMG WTF IT WTFBBQPWNS THE OTHER ONE AHHHH BLARG OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!!111!!11!1!!!!
WTF guys - it seems that with all these people complaining about "oh this isn't balanced, lets nerf it so it is" or "OMG this ship doesn't have this much of this but that ship has way more" - it seems that all you want is 4 ships to fly and only 4 no more ...
1 BS
1 Cruiser
1 Frig
1 Hauler
no races no difference between them NOTHING ...
GET OVER IT - things aren't meant to be PERFECTLY BALLANCED - some ships WILL be better than others in some respects but not as good in other respects ... if you don't like the Ferox - fly a Brutix simple as that - done - no "if's", "and's" or "but's" to it ... that's it just fly the other ship OMG was that hard?
i don't fly Heron because it sux - i don't fly an Osprey because it sux (I PvP) - i don't fly haulers because they SUCK ...
ok i'm done sry if i offended anyone - plz no flame - i'm finished - i won't post anything on this topic again - i'm through - no more ...
(i'l probly check and post here tomorow )
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.11.25 03:28:00 -
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I think the fact that there are LOTS MORE choices now is a great thing.
Bored with your uber BS? Go blow a few million on an interceptor.
Tired of flying around in an interceptor, mess around with a destroyer.
Bored with your cruiser but can't afford a battleship? Give it a week or so, and BC prices will go down to reasonable levels.
Rinse and repeat.
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.11.25 03:28:00 -
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I think the fact that there are LOTS MORE choices now is a great thing.
Bored with your uber BS? Go blow a few million on an interceptor.
Tired of flying around in an interceptor, mess around with a destroyer.
Bored with your cruiser but can't afford a battleship? Give it a week or so, and BC prices will go down to reasonable levels.
Rinse and repeat.
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Theodore Gross
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Posted - 2004.11.25 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Theodore Gross on 25/11/2004 11:48:06
Edited by: Theodore Gross on 25/11/2004 11:42:02
I think they went with it wrong.. the ferox setup is nice the way it is... but instead of hybrid turret bonus it should have gotten missile bonus... I mean its a caldari ship... caldari ship are known for 2 things really ... first is better shields than any other in its class... and second missle launchers... you want to fiddle with hybrid turrets and damage... get a gellente ship... 
oh well lets just hope later they dont end up giving the bomber class ships of the caldari hybrid turret bonus instead of missile bonus .. 
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Theodore Gross
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Posted - 2004.11.25 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Theodore Gross on 25/11/2004 11:48:06
Edited by: Theodore Gross on 25/11/2004 11:42:02
I think they went with it wrong.. the ferox setup is nice the way it is... but instead of hybrid turret bonus it should have gotten missile bonus... I mean its a caldari ship... caldari ship are known for 2 things really ... first is better shields than any other in its class... and second missle launchers... you want to fiddle with hybrid turrets and damage... get a gellente ship...
oh well lets just hope later they dont end up giving the bomber class ships of the caldari hybrid turret bonus instead of missile bonus ..
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Fuglife
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Posted - 2004.11.25 11:42:00 -
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i could imagine it now... nerf the SAS they are wtfpwning everyone in combat and its just not fair!
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Fuglife
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Posted - 2004.11.25 11:42:00 -
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i could imagine it now... nerf the SAS they are wtfpwning everyone in combat and its just not fair!
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0seeker0
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Posted - 2004.11.25 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Fuglife
i could imagine it now... nerf the SAS they are wtfpwning everyone in combat and its just not fair!
lol!
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0seeker0
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Posted - 2004.11.25 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Fuglife
i could imagine it now... nerf the SAS they are wtfpwning everyone in combat and its just not fair!
lol!
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.11.25 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Def Antares
Ferox: 5 med hybrids (rails) with optimal range bonus (means hit less when target closes in)
Wrong - as some post's above mentioned it ...
Trakking is optimal range inside optimal range ;)
1400mms Trakking optimal is baut 60km and fall off optimal is 40km
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.11.25 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Def Antares
Ferox: 5 med hybrids (rails) with optimal range bonus (means hit less when target closes in)
Wrong - as some post's above mentioned it ...
Trakking is optimal range inside optimal range ;)
1400mms Trakking optimal is baut 60km and fall off optimal is 40km
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Sangxianc
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Posted - 2004.11.25 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Fuglife
i could imagine it now... nerf the SAS they are wtfpwning everyone in combat and its just not fair!
hehe
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Sangxianc
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Posted - 2004.11.25 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Fuglife
i could imagine it now... nerf the SAS they are wtfpwning everyone in combat and its just not fair!
hehe
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Madmartigan
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Posted - 2004.11.25 13:52:00 -
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I¦ve said it before, I¦ll say it again, and propably not for the last time.
Nerfing is imo the absolute worst way of going about balancing things out.
If CCP feels that any ship/module is overpowered, they should think of that as a great oppertunity for some historical trweaking. The races all strive to match and get better than the next one, so if a Caldari ship is overpowered towards a Gallente ship, Gallentean scientists should do their upmost to counter that and make their weapons/modules better than Caldari ones and vice versa.
Same applies to Amarr/Minmatar.
I just completally hate when things get nerfed because of some "overpowering". It¦s just plain stupid. There¦s no way to make everyone happy about everything, if you don¦t like how this ship/module works, try something else.
That¦s why some people drive Ferrari and some Mercedes.
Different cars to suit different needs//desires.
I would just love tosee this work in Eve, cancel everything that remotelly looks lika nerfing and start evolving instead.
Mad
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Madmartigan
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Posted - 2004.11.25 13:52:00 -
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I¦ve said it before, I¦ll say it again, and propably not for the last time.
Nerfing is imo the absolute worst way of going about balancing things out.
If CCP feels that any ship/module is overpowered, they should think of that as a great oppertunity for some historical trweaking. The races all strive to match and get better than the next one, so if a Caldari ship is overpowered towards a Gallente ship, Gallentean scientists should do their upmost to counter that and make their weapons/modules better than Caldari ones and vice versa.
Same applies to Amarr/Minmatar.
I just completally hate when things get nerfed because of some "overpowering". It¦s just plain stupid. There¦s no way to make everyone happy about everything, if you don¦t like how this ship/module works, try something else.
That¦s why some people drive Ferrari and some Mercedes.
Different cars to suit different needs//desires.
I would just love tosee this work in Eve, cancel everything that remotelly looks lika nerfing and start evolving instead.
Mad
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Sheraad
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Posted - 2004.11.25 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Madmartigan
I¦ve said it before, I¦ll say it again, and propably not for the last time.
Nerfing is imo the absolute worst way of going about balancing things out.
Well, I tend to agree with you but bear in mind that BC nerfs were carried out on a TEST server. A server intended to see if, amongst other things, battlecruisers were too powerful or not powerful enough.
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Sheraad
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Posted - 2004.11.25 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Madmartigan
I¦ve said it before, I¦ll say it again, and propably not for the last time.
Nerfing is imo the absolute worst way of going about balancing things out.
Well, I tend to agree with you but bear in mind that BC nerfs were carried out on a TEST server. A server intended to see if, amongst other things, battlecruisers were too powerful or not powerful enough.
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Isonkon Serikain
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Posted - 2004.11.26 08:17:00 -
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Hey I agree with clay, nothing needs to be even all the time. In this case I think the ferox rocks waaaay more. I will be trying blasterboat setups with the ferox and I bet you it will beat the brutix as a blasterboat because of its tank.
Maybe im waay off, practice will tell
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Isonkon Serikain
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Posted - 2004.11.26 08:17:00 -
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Hey I agree with clay, nothing needs to be even all the time. In this case I think the ferox rocks waaaay more. I will be trying blasterboat setups with the ferox and I bet you it will beat the brutix as a blasterboat because of its tank.
Maybe im waay off, practice will tell
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2004.11.26 10:39:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 26/11/2004 10:42:32
Originally by: Def Antares
Edited by: Def Antares on 24/11/2004 23:07:15
Originally by: Isonkon Serikain
I was gonna say the brutix is a lame duck.
PPl take a look at the grid and cpu and ship bonus before you start whining about the brutix being overpowered.
*cough* ferox powergrid 925 *cough* brutix 1000 *cough*
get a brutix and try to fit a minimally survivable ship (mwd and some basic tanking stuff) with a full rack ion blasters. You can't cuz the grid is just too short. Didn't tried out with electrons thou...
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2004.11.26 10:39:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 26/11/2004 10:42:32
Originally by: Def Antares
Edited by: Def Antares on 24/11/2004 23:07:15
Originally by: Isonkon Serikain
I was gonna say the brutix is a lame duck.
PPl take a look at the grid and cpu and ship bonus before you start whining about the brutix being overpowered.
*cough* ferox powergrid 925 *cough* brutix 1000 *cough*
get a brutix and try to fit a minimally survivable ship (mwd and some basic tanking stuff) with a full rack ion blasters. You can't cuz the grid is just too short. Didn't tried out with electrons thou...
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.11.26 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: Slithereen on 26/11/2004 12:21:11
Ferox is a nice shield tank.
Nice hardening bonuses on damage type per level.
I always like range bonuses because you can use more damaging ammo farther instead of using less damaging ammo for range.
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.11.26 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: Slithereen on 26/11/2004 12:21:11
Ferox is a nice shield tank.
Nice hardening bonuses on damage type per level.
I always like range bonuses because you can use more damaging ammo farther instead of using less damaging ammo for range.
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Madmartigan
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:05:00 -
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Well, I tend to agree with you but bear in mind that BC nerfs were carried out on a TEST server. A server intended to see if, amongst other things, battlecruisers were too powerful or not powerful enough.
I couldn¦t agree with you more Sheraad. But the reason I said this is because people keep whining about this and that needing a nerfing, even after it¦s off the test servers. Imo nothing should ever be nerfed, unless of course there¦s absolutelly no other way of fixing the problem in question, when things have been released on TQ.
After release everything should be up to evolution ( no not the corp :) )
Mad
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Madmartigan
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Posted - 2004.11.26 14:05:00 -
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Well, I tend to agree with you but bear in mind that BC nerfs were carried out on a TEST server. A server intended to see if, amongst other things, battlecruisers were too powerful or not powerful enough.
I couldn¦t agree with you more Sheraad. But the reason I said this is because people keep whining about this and that needing a nerfing, even after it¦s off the test servers. Imo nothing should ever be nerfed, unless of course there¦s absolutelly no other way of fixing the problem in question, when things have been released on TQ.
After release everything should be up to evolution ( no not the corp :) )
Mad
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MECHcore
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Posted - 2004.11.27 04:07:00 -
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the ferox will own the brutix
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MECHcore
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Posted - 2004.11.27 04:07:00 -
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the ferox will own the brutix
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Sheraad
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Posted - 2004.11.27 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: MECHcore
the ferox will own the brutix
I think a far more interesting question is ferox vs prophecy, personally.
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Sheraad
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Posted - 2004.11.27 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: MECHcore
the ferox will own the brutix
I think a far more interesting question is ferox vs prophecy, personally.
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.11.27 05:42:00 -
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The Prophecy is the BC to beat right now at least when it comes to market sales. CPU, fair, nice grid typical of Amarr, with the usual strengths in cap that are an Amarrian strength. The beauty is the Maller like bonus where the armor damage types being strengthened 5% each level, giving it strong potenial as an armor tank. The look and appearance of the Chicken Hawk has certainly stirred the market (it's popularly known in Amarr space as the Chicken). I like to evaluate the Cyclone too, but currently I have not formed an opinion on it.
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.11.27 05:42:00 -
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The Prophecy is the BC to beat right now at least when it comes to market sales. CPU, fair, nice grid typical of Amarr, with the usual strengths in cap that are an Amarrian strength. The beauty is the Maller like bonus where the armor damage types being strengthened 5% each level, giving it strong potenial as an armor tank. The look and appearance of the Chicken Hawk has certainly stirred the market (it's popularly known in Amarr space as the Chicken). I like to evaluate the Cyclone too, but currently I have not formed an opinion on it.
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"Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies,
"Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.
"Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
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Cal Drago
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Posted - 2004.11.27 10:02:00 -
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I just built a Cyclone. Not only do I think that it's a good looking ship (in a Minmatar sort of way), I like the stats. It has a nice even spread of slots, much like the Minmatar destroyer, Thrasher. 8 high, 4 med, 4 low. That's just perfect for me. I was able to fit 5-720s and 3 Heavy launchers, shield tank it, and put in plenty of damage mods. I ended up spending every CPU point (out of 500) with a few power grid points to spare.
Tested it out later on, and I was popping Garista frigs from 50+ Killometers away with one or two volleys (720s seem to miss a lot, even with the tracking enhancer 2 and good skills). Also, it has the same drone space as the Rupture. Very nice overall. I also have a Ferox. I like them both, but Minmatar especially appeals to me because of the weapons not using cap. It gives me lots of cap for shield tanking and leaves my low slots open for damage mods.
The only question I have is: Are 720s a good gun? I know the projectiles are nerfed, but I have heard it said that 650s are better than 720s because they hit more often. Is this true?
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Cal Drago
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Posted - 2004.11.27 10:02:00 -
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I just built a Cyclone. Not only do I think that it's a good looking ship (in a Minmatar sort of way), I like the stats. It has a nice even spread of slots, much like the Minmatar destroyer, Thrasher. 8 high, 4 med, 4 low. That's just perfect for me. I was able to fit 5-720s and 3 Heavy launchers, shield tank it, and put in plenty of damage mods. I ended up spending every CPU point (out of 500) with a few power grid points to spare.
Tested it out later on, and I was popping Garista frigs from 50+ Killometers away with one or two volleys (720s seem to miss a lot, even with the tracking enhancer 2 and good skills). Also, it has the same drone space as the Rupture. Very nice overall. I also have a Ferox. I like them both, but Minmatar especially appeals to me because of the weapons not using cap. It gives me lots of cap for shield tanking and leaves my low slots open for damage mods.
The only question I have is: Are 720s a good gun? I know the projectiles are nerfed, but I have heard it said that 650s are better than 720s because they hit more often. Is this true?
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Del Narveux
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Posted - 2004.11.27 10:29:00 -
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Brutix and Ferox are both good, in their own ways. Also remember that Ferox can run EW almost as well as bbird, but has plenty of killing power. However I could see Brutix getting a little more cap, and maybe dumping the armor rep bonus in favor of a speed or MWD bonus like Rax gets. Id also like to see Ferox lose some of its gun slots and get a missle damage bonus instead of the hybrid thing, would counter a lot of the shortcomings of Caracal while not making Cal obsolete (as its speed beef lets it outrange Ferox by a lot). Caldari and guns dont mix, just look at Moa...okay ship, but sucky for a tier 3 power cruiser.
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Del Narveux
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Posted - 2004.11.27 10:29:00 -
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Brutix and Ferox are both good, in their own ways. Also remember that Ferox can run EW almost as well as bbird, but has plenty of killing power. However I could see Brutix getting a little more cap, and maybe dumping the armor rep bonus in favor of a speed or MWD bonus like Rax gets. Id also like to see Ferox lose some of its gun slots and get a missle damage bonus instead of the hybrid thing, would counter a lot of the shortcomings of Caracal while not making Cal obsolete (as its speed beef lets it outrange Ferox by a lot). Caldari and guns dont mix, just look at Moa...okay ship, but sucky for a tier 3 power cruiser.
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snutt
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Posted - 2004.11.27 10:49:00 -
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The Brutix sucks, end of story.
Mess with the best, die like the rest 
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snutt
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Posted - 2004.11.27 10:49:00 -
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The Brutix sucks, end of story.
Mess with the best, die like the rest
Real men structure tank |
Side Liner
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Posted - 2004.11.27 11:40:00 -
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I want a Ferox! Anyone willing to give me an extra 50 mil?
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Side Liner
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Posted - 2004.11.27 11:40:00 -
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I want a Ferox! Anyone willing to give me an extra 50 mil?
Go on Go on Go on Go on you will you will you will you will you will you will you will you will you will you will you will not?? |
Yeux Gris
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Posted - 2004.11.28 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: Side Liner
I want a Ferox! Anyone willing to give me an extra 50 mil?
Go on Go on Go on Go on you will you will you will you will you will you will you will you will you will you will you will not??
yeah u give me 50 isk :P I will build two for that price :P plus bpc
Who let the cows out?! mOo. mOo. mOo.. mOo mOo...!
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Yeux Gris
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Posted - 2004.11.28 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: Side Liner
I want a Ferox! Anyone willing to give me an extra 50 mil?
Go on Go on Go on Go on you will you will you will you will you will you will you will you will you will you will you will not??
yeah u give me 50 isk :P I will build two for that price :P plus bpc
Who let the cows out?! mOo. mOo. mOo.. mOo mOo...!
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Celt Eireson
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Posted - 2004.11.28 12:28:00 -
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Cal, if you have the skills try tech 650s, I'd say DOT would probably be close/better than that of standard 720s but better tracking. Given what you say about power grid you wouldn't be able to fit tech 2 720s as they use 10% more powergrid than stock ones.
Haven't tried it myself but give it a go an see. Only problem is range, with the 720s you can keep out of range of a lot of npc frigates/cruisers guns but you wouldn't be able to do that with the 650s.
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Celt Eireson
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Posted - 2004.11.28 12:28:00 -
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Cal, if you have the skills try tech 650s, I'd say DOT would probably be close/better than that of standard 720s but better tracking. Given what you say about power grid you wouldn't be able to fit tech 2 720s as they use 10% more powergrid than stock ones.
Haven't tried it myself but give it a go an see. Only problem is range, with the 720s you can keep out of range of a lot of npc frigates/cruisers guns but you wouldn't be able to do that with the 650s.
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