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Orion Shadowmaker Amarr Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.02.03 19:50:00 - [1] Well we did it again, 2400 kills, 32 fleet engagements, 2 0.0 ops all in the name of the Tea Pot!~ I know there are pilots out there looking for help in thier PVP lives. You need frequent fights, you need training on Fitting and battle tactics, your bored with Missions and Low sec fighting that just doesnt give you enough activity. I know this is true because I was just like you This RVB thing is for real, We allow you free movement in and out of the Corp, you can bring alts or yourself it doesnt matter. The real beauty of Red VS Blue is your in control of how much and how frequent you want to participate. Every day and night we are fighting a never ending battle against Reds and Blues and... we have multiple war targets to go after as well. You cant put enough value on experience, its the greatest teacher really. If you do it right 5 times that day you will feel every bit of the exitement and glory that comes with winning, and if you do it wrong you wont forget the lessons you just learned. The best part of it is, after you've recognized what you should have done differently you get to immediatly try it again If you are getting all you want out of your PVP experience, dont respond to this POST. But if you are like me and you are looking everywhere for a true PVP experience that is highly active and robust. Come join RVB for a while test it out for yourself and see why we are so addicted to the war of the legendary TEAPOT! Check out (R-V-B) chat channel for even more info! Hope to fly with you or against you very soon! Orion Shadowmaker Go Blues!
Russel Williams Minmatar Red Federation	Posted - 2010.02.03 20:00:00 - [2] Originally by: Orion Shadowmaker Well we did it again, 2400 kills, 32 fleet engagements, 2 0.0 ops all in the name of the Tea Pot!~ I know there are pilots out there looking for help in thier PVP lives. You need frequent fights, you need training on Fitting and battle tactics, your bored with Missions and Low sec fighting that just doesnt give you enough activity. I know this is true because I was just like you This RVB thing is for real, We allow you free movement in and out of the Corp, you can bring alts or yourself it doesnt matter. The real beauty of Red VS Blue is your in control of how much and how frequent you want to participate. Every day and night we are fighting a never ending battle against Reds and Blues and... we have multiple war targets to go after as well. You cant put enough value on experience, its the greatest teacher really. If you do it right 5 times that day you will feel every bit of the exitement and glory that comes with winning, and if you do it wrong you wont forget the lessons you just learned. The best part of it is, after you've recognized what you should have done differently you get to immediatly try it again If you are getting all you want out of your PVP experience, dont respond to this POST. But if you are like me and you are looking everywhere for a true PVP experience that is highly active and robust. Come join RVB for a while test it out for yourself and see why we are so addicted to the war of the legendary TEAPOT! Check out (R-V-B) chat channel for even more info! Hope to fly with you or against you very soon! Orion Shadowmaker Yeah, its been quite fun. Still QQ'ing I didn't get your Bestower though D:
Orion Shadowmaker Amarr Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.02.03 20:03:00 - [3] Im glad ya didnt I was %$^^ my pants to get away Orion Shadowmaker Go Blues!
BacardiDesire Caldari The 8th Order	Posted - 2010.02.04 11:47:00 - [4] can't you just make one thread and update it regular with your new vewy cool story of the week? --- Crazy dutch mofo
Trabber Shir Caldari 5I Incorporated	Posted - 2010.02.04 12:20:00 - [5] I don't see any meaningful discussion of warfare or tactics here. It looks like a recruiting thread in the wrong forum to me.
Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2010.02.04 15:10:00 - [6] Originally by: Trabber Shir I don't see any meaningful discussion of warfare or tactics here. It looks like a recruiting thread in the wrong forum to me. It looks that way because it is that way. You guys really should point out that you have arbitrary rules governing your engagements. Some people may find that attractive and others may be put off. I think this link is relevant here. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Tason Hyena Minmatar Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.02.04 15:29:00 - [7] You are right on the rules and limits, but they aren't arbitrary. They are designed to limit PvP to make it more of a fun pick up and play experience. The sirlin article really isn't relevant because in EVE, the best course many times in PvP is simply to run away or refuse to engage in PvP at all. The tactical limitations are few, actually. We don't pod, and we don't use ECM jamming among RvB members and fights. Usually we also use cheap ships because PvP is so frequent cash losses would soon be astronomical, and a lot of members can't bring big or advanced ships in. I'm not sure how trashing them would increase learning. To make this thread more in line with warfare and tactics maybe you want to mention how we could change the rules to increase learning for RvB specifically?
BacardiDesire Caldari The 8th Order	Posted - 2010.02.04 16:11:00 - [8] Edited by: BacardiDesire on 04/02/2010 16:13:39 Originally by: Tason Hyena You are right on the rules and limits, but they aren't arbitrary. They are designed to limit PvP to make it more of a fun pick up and play experience. The sirlin article really isn't relevant because in EVE, the best course many times in PvP is simply to run away or refuse to engage in PvP at all. The tactical limitations are few, actually. We don't pod, and we don't use ECM jamming among RvB members and fights. Usually we also use cheap ships because PvP is so frequent cash losses would soon be astronomical, and a lot of members can't bring big or advanced ships in. I'm not sure how trashing them would increase learning. To make this thread more in line with warfare and tactics maybe you want to mention how we could change the rules to increase learning for RvB specifically? let them use ecm, td's and damps but only the tech I versions of it :) ? a more realistic way of pvp, rather then go out and fit a ship like you normally wont do (eccm on a bs for instance) because you know your not gonna get jammed anyway. Every mother and it's dog these days uses ecm if things wont go as planned. just sayin --- Crazy dutch mofo
Van PokerAlho	Posted - 2010.02.04 16:48:00 - [9] You are not well informed, only lock breaking ECM is not allowed, everyone knows that in small gang warfare this is "I win" button just like Remote Repairing. RVB dont want battles to be decided by how many blackbirds are in the battlefield, no one said this is PvP for frakin real!! its PvP with some rules, if not what would be the point in RvB existence. Yes the adrenaline is lower (losing a 10m ship is not the same as losing a 170m hac), yes the fun is much bigger, yes the time wasting is so small, RvB is the place for everyone to have an alt or even your main, specially for noob players who really want to start pvping and cant waste much isks. Maybe when fights get very big numbers rules change (for those battles). A fight with 50 on each side, ECM would be fun I guess. To those who like to be annoying about RvB, join us and try it then make a good judgment of your critic.
Tason Hyena Minmatar Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.02.04 17:33:00 - [10] Yeah we do use non-jamming ecm in fights like damps, painters, and others. There is a debate on using jamming ECM going on, and Serend posting in this forum under "How to counter ECM gangs" has good arguments pro and con for it. I think the problem is that since our ships are usually on the smaller end of the scale, jamming would be hypereffective compared to normal mixed engagements, and lead to dominating the fights as well as making them one sided. It's a tough balance to keep.
Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2010.02.04 17:37:00 - [11] No one is being "annoying" about RvB. If discussion wasn’t wanted then this thread should've been posted in the recruitment forum. In any case my post wasn't a criticism of RvB, my point was that you should make clear what RvB is about if you do intend to recruit. In other words that RvB includes rules in order to encourage a certain type of fight. It’s not about war or anything like that, it’s a refereed, controlled playing field. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Wild Fox	Posted - 2010.02.04 18:55:00 - [12] In my limited experience with small-gang frigates-and-cruisers warfare, a BB on the field has not much more than a few seconds to die or GTFO. Fox
Doccia Ellicis Caldari Red Federation	Posted - 2010.02.04 22:39:00 - [13] Actually, in-corp RR is legal in R-v-B. Only neutral RR is disallowed. The reason we don't see RR is because they are pretty much pointless without logistics ships or battleships.
Orion Shadowmaker Amarr Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.02.05 17:58:00 - [14] This ECM discussion is getting crazy, RVB allows all forms of EWAR except ECM and we only limit that particular aspect when we gank each other. ECM is allowed vs war targets and when we go on 0.0 ops. So to imagine we are not true PVP because we limit one aspect of a fight is simply ridiculous! Quote: Are you saying tracking Disruptors do not limit DPS?, That Sensor Damps dont effect targeting?, That target painters dont matter? Why dont we master the allowable EWAR available 80% of the time. Just Watch any EVE Tournament and you tell me whats mentioned more? ECM modules or TD's and Damps? If you dont know that answer you have no reason to complain about ECM. Its amazing to me how these corps declare war on RVB, thinking for some strange reason we cant PVP effectivly, only to end up with in a few days realizing we are ganking thier ARSSS! Saying ECM, is the Quote: be all end all is like saying, all you need is the long bomb in football, give me a break! I hope some of you keep thinking one aspect of PVP, makes us a weaker target cause it hasnt gotten our enemies anywhere yet! MU HA HA HA Join for your self dont rely on peeps who have no idea what we are about. RVB want let ya down I assure ya! Hope to see ya soon, Orion Shadowmaker Go Blues!
Melrax Nerrck Red Federation	Posted - 2010.02.05 18:39:00 - [15] Edited by: Melrax Nerrck on 05/02/2010 18:40:42 I'm gonna clear up something that this thread hasn't realized yet. In RvB, EWAR in all forms is allowed to all targets. We allow ECM. We don't allow ECM boosting boats with ECM mods on them. ECM drones are still Viable so are all other forms of EWAR. EDIT: Oh and Orion, if your gonna make an update on RvB every week please do it in one thread, most of the WT forum hates being spammed with threads on the same topic.
Gobbins Minmatar eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2010.02.06 18:46:00 - [16] RvB is a noble initiative but Orion's posting is so incredibly bad and annoying it makes me hate the whole thing. Also arguing that it is "real pvp" even after you restrict modules and set rules for engaging is pretty silly.
Orion Shadowmaker Amarr Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.02.06 19:14:00 - [17] Again, explain to me how restricting one item like ECM only when fighting each other and allowing it every day vs war targets and on 0.0 Ops is not PVP. Have you ever PVP'ed?? it dont sound like it. I couldnt be more clear, Quote: if you are already getting all you ever dreamed of out of your PVP eve life . Dont respond to this post. HELLO!! Orion Shadowmaker Go Blues!
Dodgy Past Amarr Debitum Naturae	Posted - 2010.02.06 19:40:00 - [18] Edited by: Dodgy Past on 06/02/2010 19:40:57 The regular bombardment by recruitment threads outside the recruitment section give me the same uncomfortable feeling that cults give me. The rabid responses to any perceived criticism only add to that. I did consider putting an alt in r-v-b but to be honest I've been scared off. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- you seem determined to turn it into ******* Hollyoaks for neckbeards.
Orion Shadowmaker Amarr Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.02.06 19:52:00 - [19] I apologize for finding new life in RVB. Every day someone post that they have questions about being a new PVP player and where to begin. I am only trying to help actually. Again please read RVB in title, Im not sure why some of you are even reading this. These post are for new PVP players or for those who want something different. Hope to see ya soon Orion Shadowmaker Go Blues!
Gobbins Minmatar eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2010.02.06 19:56:00 - [20] Originally by: Orion Shadowmaker Again, explain to me how restricting one item like ECM only when fighting each other and allowing it every day vs war targets and on 0.0 Ops is not PVP. Have you ever PVP'ed?? it dont sound like it. I couldnt be more clear, Quote: if you are already getting all you ever dreamed of out of your PVP eve life . Dont respond to this post. HELLO!! Orion Shadowmaker Admittedly, I havent done much pvp outside a couple freighter escort runs - however it is pretty simple: if you arbitrarily remove some weapons from the scenario it no longer is real pvp. For example, when my unit trains using paint pellets, it is different than real war. Hope this helps. Semper Fi SSgt Gibbert 0873
Orion Shadowmaker Amarr Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.02.06 20:31:00 - [21] Gobbins - you my man are proof that this post has true value. If you really feel that way towards PVP, your experience is showing in your knowledge of the facts. Transversal velocity, Proper DPS fits, effecient tanking, Speed vs Power concepts. Tracking disruptors, Target Painters, signature radius, effective tackling principles, live scenario battle tactics, Holy Cow! , proper PVP overviews, Good FC and scout communication, it goes on forevor! PVP is so much more than an ECm module. -- You are target number one for the type of pilot that needs to look into a concept like RVB or a PVP class like Agony Unleashed academy etc... That is what RVB is about, teaching all the hundreds of skills, techniques and experiences you will need to even use a module like ECM. There is aton to get know beofe you even activate that one EWAR tool. TRUST ME! Orion Shadowmaker Go Blues!
Pajama Sam The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.02.06 20:57:00 - [22]
Plave Okice Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya	Posted - 2010.02.06 22:15:00 - [23] Someone got a facepalm pic I can use?
Sir Isacnor	Posted - 2010.02.06 22:19:00 - [24] Im in RedvsBlue and right now is far from as great as Orion is making out. Currently, Red is lacking in both FC and players which has now resorted to a few times in the past couple of days their being a blue fleet camped outside red hq with nobody to fight. Theres nothing wrong with posting these types of topics, but some of the wording in it just makes it seem like a recruitment topic like others have said. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy RedvsBlue and i've learned quite a bit from it thus far, but its far from the "golden newbie pvp heaven" that its portrayed as. Oh, and ECM not being allowed while then allowing ECM drones just screams "whaaa" to me
Orion Shadowmaker Amarr Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.02.06 22:37:00 - [25] I guess time zones make a real difference in fight quality? because all the stats I gave came right off our kill board. Please let your red team leaders know if you need assistance getting quality fights in your time zone, we have made adjustments for quite a few including Red and Blue leaders logging on at different times to help with frequency of big fights. Good luck Orion Shadowmaker P.S. this post is all about experience being the real difference maker for a PVP'er not sure what some of these responders were reading -- Not gonna waste time and copy original thread and all but it does make ya wonder??? Go Blues!
Melrax Nerrck Red Federation	Posted - 2010.02.07 20:13:00 - [26] Originally by: Sir Isacnor Im in RedvsBlue and right now is far from as great as Orion is making out. Currently, Red is lacking in both FC and players which has now resorted to a few times in the past couple of days their being a blue fleet camped outside red hq with nobody to fight. Any kind of station camp is gonna make it quite hard and very annoying for those people who do not fly in fleets but use RvB as a 1v1 soloist dream. Furthermore if you want a good fight with fleets then let the reds or the blues move together rather then playing station games. Set up fights at a planet or one of the numorous asteroid belts, but don't camp thats just not fun for anyone. Originally by: Sir Isacnor Don't get me wrong, I enjoy RedvsBlue and i've learned quite a bit from it thus far, but its far from the "golden newbie pvp heaven" that its portrayed as. Oh, and ECM not being allowed while then allowing ECM drones just screams "whaaa" to me You miss-read what I said, and its probably cause you don't have a very good understanding on why ECM bonus boats effect fleet fights. ECM bonus boats are basically an "iWin" button. ECM drones and ECM mods on a ship not boosting those attributes is not nearly as effective. Again if you want ECM then you can use it just not on a ship that will Overpower one side, this rule is in place so everyone has fun. I think thats the problem with the blue side, sorry to say it you guys are in it to win. Reds have a different and arguably better approach. You see the times I've been in winning Red fleet(Numerous times)we started noticing that the blues numbers dropped every time they lost, and its simply because you guys want to win. We don't care if we win or not we are happy flying our pod back to the station for another ship. Such is why reds numbers usually stay high even we lose. Though its been a good week since I fought in Tourier, I've been having fun pvping outside of Tourier.
Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2010.02.07 21:32:00 - [27] I think this thread is having an effect opposite to what was intended. Lol -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Pater Peccavi Minmatar Genophage Remnant	Posted - 2010.02.07 22:08:00 - [28] Originally by: Jin Nib I think this thread is having an effect opposite to what was intended. Lol I think your keeping this thread bumped is having the opposite effect of your intentions. _________ My name is Pater!
Jahred Shaw Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.02.08 01:46:00 - [29] I'm sure i can speak on behalf of the forums when i say enough is enough orion ;) I love you and all but i don't think they are that interested in what we do, maybe if something big goes down then we can post but until then let's just keep it to ourselves.
Forge Trader	Posted - 2010.02.08 07:20:00 - [30] Thanks for bringing rvb to my attention. Recruitment or not, the explanation is enough to let us know if we might want to try it. Congratulations on finding another good way to have some fun in Eve. Its a big sandbox, and anyone can play anyway they want. If you dont like the rules, you dont have to play. Frankly, I dont care if ECM is a tactic, or not. Just the chance to put a cheap ship on the field and shoot/get shot is neat. A really big problem with much Pvp in Eve, in my experience, is it is mostly involuntary, with playeronly looking for a fight when they have abig advantage.

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