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Orion Shadowmaker
Amarr
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.02.03 19:50:00 -
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Well we did it again, 2400 kills, 32 fleet engagements, 2 0.0 ops all in the name of the Tea Pot!~ I know there are pilots out there looking for help in thier PVP lives. You need frequent fights, you need training on Fitting and battle tactics, your bored with Missions and Low sec fighting that just doesnt give you enough activity. I know this is true because I was just like you 
This RVB thing is for real, We allow you free movement in and out of the Corp, you can bring alts or yourself it doesnt matter. The real beauty of Red VS Blue is your in control of how much and how frequent you want to participate.
Every day and night we are fighting a never ending battle against Reds and Blues and... we have multiple war targets to go after as well.
You cant put enough value on experience, its the greatest teacher really. If you do it right 5 times that day you will feel every bit of the exitement and glory that comes with winning, and if you do it wrong you wont forget the lessons you just learned. The best part of it is, after you've recognized what you should have done differently you get to immediatly try it again 
If you are getting all you want out of your PVP experience, dont respond to this POST. But if you are like me and you are looking everywhere for a true PVP experience that is highly active and robust. Come join RVB for a while test it out for yourself and see why we are so addicted to the war of the legendary TEAPOT! 
Check out (R-V-B) chat channel for even more info!
Hope to fly with you or against you very soon!
Orion Shadowmaker
Go Blues! |
Russel Williams
Minmatar
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.03 20:00:00 -
[2]
 Originally by: Orion Shadowmaker
Well we did it again, 2400 kills, 32 fleet engagements, 2 0.0 ops all in the name of the Tea Pot!~ I know there are pilots out there looking for help in thier PVP lives. You need frequent fights, you need training on Fitting and battle tactics, your bored with Missions and Low sec fighting that just doesnt give you enough activity. I know this is true because I was just like you
This RVB thing is for real, We allow you free movement in and out of the Corp, you can bring alts or yourself it doesnt matter. The real beauty of Red VS Blue is your in control of how much and how frequent you want to participate.
Every day and night we are fighting a never ending battle against Reds and Blues and... we have multiple war targets to go after as well.
You cant put enough value on experience, its the greatest teacher really. If you do it right 5 times that day you will feel every bit of the exitement and glory that comes with winning, and if you do it wrong you wont forget the lessons you just learned. The best part of it is, after you've recognized what you should have done differently you get to immediatly try it again
If you are getting all you want out of your PVP experience, dont respond to this POST. But if you are like me and you are looking everywhere for a true PVP experience that is highly active and robust. Come join RVB for a while test it out for yourself and see why we are so addicted to the war of the legendary TEAPOT!
Check out (R-V-B) chat channel for even more info!
Hope to fly with you or against you very soon!
Orion Shadowmaker
Yeah, its been quite fun. Still QQ'ing I didn't get your Bestower though D:
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Orion Shadowmaker
Amarr
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.02.03 20:03:00 -
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Im glad ya didnt I was %$^^ my pants to get away
Orion Shadowmaker
Go Blues! |
BacardiDesire
Caldari
The 8th Order
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Posted - 2010.02.04 11:47:00 -
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can't you just make one thread and update it regular with your new vewy cool story of the week?
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Trabber Shir
Caldari
5I Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.02.04 12:20:00 -
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I don't see any meaningful discussion of warfare or tactics here.
It looks like a recruiting thread in the wrong forum to me.
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.02.04 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Trabber Shir
I don't see any meaningful discussion of warfare or tactics here.
It looks like a recruiting thread in the wrong forum to me.
It looks that way because it is that way.
You guys really should point out that you have arbitrary rules governing your engagements. Some people may find that attractive and others may be put off. I think this link is relevant here.
-Jin Nib
Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since:
2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Tason Hyena
Minmatar
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.02.04 15:29:00 -
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You are right on the rules and limits, but they aren't arbitrary. They are designed to limit PvP to make it more of a fun pick up and play experience. The sirlin article really isn't relevant because in EVE, the best course many times in PvP is simply to run away or refuse to engage in PvP at all.
The tactical limitations are few, actually. We don't pod, and we don't use ECM jamming among RvB members and fights. Usually we also use cheap ships because PvP is so frequent cash losses would soon be astronomical, and a lot of members can't bring big or advanced ships in.
I'm not sure how trashing them would increase learning. To make this thread more in line with warfare and tactics maybe you want to mention how we could change the rules to increase learning for RvB specifically?
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BacardiDesire
Caldari
The 8th Order
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Posted - 2010.02.04 16:11:00 -
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Edited by: BacardiDesire on 04/02/2010 16:13:39
Originally by: Tason Hyena
You are right on the rules and limits, but they aren't arbitrary. They are designed to limit PvP to make it more of a fun pick up and play experience. The sirlin article really isn't relevant because in EVE, the best course many times in PvP is simply to run away or refuse to engage in PvP at all.
The tactical limitations are few, actually. We don't pod, and we don't use ECM jamming among RvB members and fights. Usually we also use cheap ships because PvP is so frequent cash losses would soon be astronomical, and a lot of members can't bring big or advanced ships in.
I'm not sure how trashing them would increase learning. To make this thread more in line with warfare and tactics maybe you want to mention how we could change the rules to increase learning for RvB specifically?
let them use ecm, td's and damps but only the tech I versions of it :) ?
a more realistic way of pvp, rather then go out and fit a ship like you normally wont do (eccm on a bs for instance) because you know your not gonna get jammed anyway. Every mother and it's dog these days uses ecm if things wont go as planned.
just sayin
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Van PokerAlho
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Posted - 2010.02.04 16:48:00 -
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You are not well informed, only lock breaking ECM is not allowed, everyone knows that in small gang warfare this is "I win" button just like Remote Repairing. RVB dont want battles to be decided by how many blackbirds are in the battlefield, no one said this is PvP for frakin real!! its PvP with some rules, if not what would be the point in RvB existence.
Yes the adrenaline is lower (losing a 10m ship is not the same as losing a 170m hac), yes the fun is much bigger, yes the time wasting is so small, RvB is the place for everyone to have an alt or even your main, specially for noob players who really want to start pvping and cant waste much isks.
Maybe when fights get very big numbers rules change (for those battles). A fight with 50 on each side, ECM would be fun I guess.
To those who like to be annoying about RvB, join us and try it then make a good judgment of your critic.
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Tason Hyena
Minmatar
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.02.04 17:33:00 -
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Yeah we do use non-jamming ecm in fights like damps, painters, and others. There is a debate on using jamming ECM going on, and Serend posting in this forum under "How to counter ECM gangs" has good arguments pro and con for it.
I think the problem is that since our ships are usually on the smaller end of the scale, jamming would be hypereffective compared to normal mixed engagements, and lead to dominating the fights as well as making them one sided. It's a tough balance to keep.
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.02.04 17:37:00 -
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No one is being "annoying" about RvB. If discussion wasn’t wanted then this thread should've been posted in the recruitment forum.
In any case my post wasn't a criticism of RvB, my point was that you should make clear what RvB is about if you do intend to recruit. In other words that RvB includes rules in order to encourage a certain type of fight. It’s not about war or anything like that, it’s a refereed, controlled playing field.
-Jin Nib
Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since:
2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Wild Fox
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Posted - 2010.02.04 18:55:00 -
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In my limited experience with small-gang frigates-and-cruisers warfare, a BB on the field has not much more than a few seconds to die or GTFO.
Fox
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Doccia Ellicis
Caldari
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.04 22:39:00 -
[13]
Actually, in-corp RR is legal in R-v-B. Only neutral RR is disallowed. The reason we don't see RR is because they are pretty much pointless without logistics ships or battleships. |
Orion Shadowmaker
Amarr
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.02.05 17:58:00 -
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This ECM discussion is getting crazy, RVB allows all forms of EWAR except ECM and we only limit that particular aspect when we gank each other. ECM is allowed vs war targets and when we go on 0.0 ops. So to imagine we are not true PVP because we limit one aspect of a fight is simply ridiculous!
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Are you saying tracking Disruptors do not limit DPS?, That Sensor Damps dont effect targeting?,
That target painters dont matter?
Why dont we master the allowable EWAR available 80% of the time. Just Watch any EVE Tournament and you tell me whats mentioned more? ECM modules or TD's and Damps? If you dont know that answer you have no reason to complain about ECM.
Its amazing to me how these corps declare war on RVB, thinking for some strange reason we cant PVP effectivly, only to end up with in a few days realizing we are ganking thier ARSSS!
Saying ECM, is the Quote:
be all end all
is like saying, all you need is the long bomb in football, give me a break!
I hope some of you keep thinking one aspect of PVP, makes us a weaker target cause it hasnt gotten our enemies anywhere yet! MU HA HA HA
Join for your self dont rely on peeps who have no idea what we are about. RVB want let ya down I assure ya!
Hope to see ya soon,
Orion Shadowmaker 
Go Blues! |
Melrax Nerrck
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.05 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Melrax Nerrck on 05/02/2010 18:40:42
I'm gonna clear up something that this thread hasn't realized yet.
In RvB, EWAR in all forms is allowed to all targets.
We allow ECM.
We don't allow ECM boosting boats with ECM mods on them. ECM drones are still Viable so are all other forms of EWAR.
EDIT: Oh and Orion, if your gonna make an update on RvB every week please do it in one thread, most of the WT forum hates being spammed with threads on the same topic. |
Gobbins
Minmatar
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.06 18:46:00 -
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RvB is a noble initiative but Orion's posting is so incredibly bad and annoying it makes me hate the whole thing.
Also arguing that it is "real pvp" even after you restrict modules and set rules for engaging is pretty silly.
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Orion Shadowmaker
Amarr
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.02.06 19:14:00 -
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Again, explain to me how restricting one item like ECM only when fighting each other and allowing it every day vs war targets and on 0.0 Ops is not PVP. Have you ever PVP'ed?? it dont sound like it.
I couldnt be more clear, Quote:
if you are already getting all you ever dreamed of out of your PVP eve life
. Dont respond to this post. HELLO!!
Orion Shadowmaker
Go Blues! |
Dodgy Past
Amarr
Debitum Naturae
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Posted - 2010.02.06 19:40:00 -
[18]
Edited by: Dodgy Past on 06/02/2010 19:40:57
The regular bombardment by recruitment threads outside the recruitment section give me the same uncomfortable feeling that cults give me.
The rabid responses to any perceived criticism only add to that.
I did consider putting an alt in r-v-b but to be honest I've been scared off.
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you seem determined to turn it into ******* Hollyoaks for neckbeards. |
Orion Shadowmaker
Amarr
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.02.06 19:52:00 -
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I apologize for finding new life in RVB . Every day someone post that they have questions about being a new PVP player and where to begin. I am only trying to help actually.
Again please read RVB in title, Im not sure why some of you are even reading this. These post are for new PVP players or for those who want something different.
Hope to see ya soon
Orion Shadowmaker
Go Blues! |
Gobbins
Minmatar
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.06 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Orion Shadowmaker
Again, explain to me how restricting one item like ECM only when fighting each other and allowing it every day vs war targets and on 0.0 Ops is not PVP. Have you ever PVP'ed?? it dont sound like it.
I couldnt be more clear, Quote:
if you are already getting all you ever dreamed of out of your PVP eve life
. Dont respond to this post. HELLO!!
Orion Shadowmaker
Admittedly, I havent done much pvp outside a couple freighter escort runs - however it is pretty simple: if you arbitrarily remove some weapons from the scenario it no longer is real pvp.
For example, when my unit trains using paint pellets, it is different than real war.
Hope this helps.
Semper Fi
SSgt Gibbert 0873
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Orion Shadowmaker
Amarr
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.02.06 20:31:00 -
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Gobbins - you my man are proof that this post has true value. If you really feel that way towards PVP, your experience is showing in your knowledge of the facts.
Transversal velocity, Proper DPS fits, effecient tanking, Speed vs Power concepts. Tracking disruptors, Target Painters, signature radius, effective tackling principles, live scenario battle tactics, Holy Cow! , proper PVP overviews, Good FC and scout communication, it goes on forevor! PVP is so much more than an ECm module. --
You are target number one for the type of pilot that needs to look into a concept like RVB or a PVP class like Agony Unleashed academy etc...
That is what RVB is about, teaching all the hundreds of skills, techniques and experiences you will need to even use a module like ECM. There is aton to get know beofe you even activate that one EWAR tool.
TRUST ME!
Orion Shadowmaker
Go Blues! |
Pajama Sam
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.02.06 20:57:00 -
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Plave Okice
Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya
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Posted - 2010.02.06 22:15:00 -
[23]
Someone got a facepalm pic I can use?
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Sir Isacnor
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Posted - 2010.02.06 22:19:00 -
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Im in RedvsBlue and right now is far from as great as Orion is making out. Currently, Red is lacking in both FC and players which has now resorted to a few times in the past couple of days their being a blue fleet camped outside red hq with nobody to fight.
Theres nothing wrong with posting these types of topics, but some of the wording in it just makes it seem like a recruitment topic like others have said.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy RedvsBlue and i've learned quite a bit from it thus far, but its far from the "golden newbie pvp heaven" that its portrayed as. Oh, and ECM not being allowed while then allowing ECM drones just screams "whaaa" to me |
Orion Shadowmaker
Amarr
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.02.06 22:37:00 -
[25]
I guess time zones make a real difference in fight quality? because all the stats I gave came right off our kill board.
Please let your red team leaders know if you need assistance getting quality fights in your time zone, we have made adjustments for quite a few including Red and Blue leaders logging on at different times to help with frequency of big fights.
Good luck
Orion Shadowmaker 
P.S. this post is all about experience being the real difference maker for a PVP'er not sure what some of these responders were reading -- Not gonna waste time and copy original thread and all but it does make ya wonder???
Go Blues! |
Melrax Nerrck
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.07 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Isacnor
Im in RedvsBlue and right now is far from as great as Orion is making out. Currently, Red is lacking in both FC and players which has now resorted to a few times in the past couple of days their being a blue fleet camped outside red hq with nobody to fight.
Any kind of station camp is gonna make it quite hard and very annoying for those people who do not fly in fleets but use RvB as a 1v1 soloist dream. Furthermore if you want a good fight with fleets then let the reds or the blues move together rather then playing station games. Set up fights at a planet or one of the numorous asteroid belts, but don't camp thats just not fun for anyone.
Originally by: Sir Isacnor
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy RedvsBlue and i've learned quite a bit from it thus far, but its far from the "golden newbie pvp heaven" that its portrayed as. Oh, and ECM not being allowed while then allowing ECM drones just screams "whaaa" to me
You miss-read what I said, and its probably cause you don't have a very good understanding on why ECM bonus boats effect fleet fights. ECM bonus boats are basically an "iWin" button. ECM drones and ECM mods on a ship not boosting those attributes is not nearly as effective. Again if you want ECM then you can use it just not on a ship that will Overpower one side, this rule is in place so everyone has fun.
I think thats the problem with the blue side, sorry to say it you guys are in it to win. Reds have a different and arguably better approach. You see the times I've been in winning Red fleet(Numerous times)we started noticing that the blues numbers dropped every time they lost, and its simply because you guys want to win. We don't care if we win or not we are happy flying our pod back to the station for another ship. Such is why reds numbers usually stay high even we lose.
Though its been a good week since I fought in Tourier, I've been having fun pvping outside of Tourier.
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.02.07 21:32:00 -
[27]
I think this thread is having an effect opposite to what was intended. Lol
-Jin Nib
Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since:
2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Pater Peccavi
Minmatar
Genophage Remnant
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Posted - 2010.02.07 22:08:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Jin Nib
I think this thread is having an effect opposite to what was intended. Lol
I think your keeping this thread bumped is having the opposite effect of your intentions.
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Jahred Shaw
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.02.08 01:46:00 -
[29]
I'm sure i can speak on behalf of the forums when i say enough is enough orion ;) I love you and all but i don't think they are that interested in what we do, maybe if something big goes down then we can post but until then let's just keep it to ourselves.
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Forge Trader
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Posted - 2010.02.08 07:20:00 -
[30]
Thanks for bringing rvb to my attention. Recruitment or not, the explanation is enough to let us know if we might want to try it.
Congratulations on finding another good way to have some fun in Eve. Its a big sandbox, and anyone can play anyway they want. If you dont like the rules, you dont have to play.
Frankly, I dont care if ECM is a tactic, or not. Just the chance to put a cheap ship on the field and shoot/get shot is neat.
A really big problem with much Pvp in Eve, in my experience, is it is mostly involuntary, with playeronly looking for a fight when they have abig advantage.
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Atomicus
Death-Row
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Posted - 2010.02.08 15:57:00 -
[31]
Ever considered to take your concept to the next level?
RvB Alliances, thus facilitating corporations to join as a whole.
Atomicus
CEO Death-Row |
Johan Sabbat
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.02.08 16:12:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Melrax Nerrck
Originally by: Sir Isacnor
Im in RedvsBlue and right now is far from as great as Orion is making out. Currently, Red is lacking in both FC and players which has now resorted to a few times in the past couple of days their being a blue fleet camped outside red hq with nobody to fight.
Any kind of station camp is gonna make it quite hard and very annoying for those people who do not fly in fleets but use RvB as a 1v1 soloist dream. Furthermore if you want a good fight with fleets then let the reds or the blues move together rather then playing station games. Set up fights at a planet or one of the numorous asteroid belts, but don't camp thats just not fun for anyone.
Originally by: Sir Isacnor
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy RedvsBlue and i've learned quite a bit from it thus far, but its far from the "golden newbie pvp heaven" that its portrayed as. Oh, and ECM not being allowed while then allowing ECM drones just screams "whaaa" to me
You miss-read what I said, and its probably cause you don't have a very good understanding on why ECM bonus boats effect fleet fights. ECM bonus boats are basically an "iWin" button. ECM drones and ECM mods on a ship not boosting those attributes is not nearly as effective. Again if you want ECM then you can use it just not on a ship that will Overpower one side, this rule is in place so everyone has fun.
I think thats the problem with the blue side, sorry to say it you guys are in it to win. Reds have a different and arguably better approach. You see the times I've been in winning Red fleet(Numerous times)we started noticing that the blues numbers dropped every time they lost, and its simply because you guys want to win. We don't care if we win or not we are happy flying our pod back to the station for another ship. Such is why reds numbers usually stay high even we lose.
Though its been a good week since I fought in Tourier, I've been having fun pvping outside of Tourier.
I think we can say it's a problem on both sides... we had one guy bringing a faction cruiser to a frig/dessie gang (not to mention faction BSs to other gangs) whilst I've seen red agree to bring specific numbers of a certain ship type and then bring many more (*cough* seven BSs *cough).
The key thing that turns around poor fleet attendence appears to be a strong FC, I'm happy to fight on the losing side so long as we have clear direction and a plan (preferably beyond everyone ship up to their next biggest close range Tank n Spank boat).
As for RvB being noob friendly, we aren't here to teach pvp. There's nothing to stop you learning by losing ships and asking qustions, but if you want a teacher then try Agony Unleashed or Eve Uni.
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.02.08 16:23:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Pater Peccavi
Originally by: Jin Nib
I think this thread is having an effect opposite to what was intended. Lol
I think your keeping this thread bumped is having the opposite effect of your intentions.
My intentions, which are what? Keeping track of a thread I find interesting? I don't know about you but I hate looking on the second page for a thread.
-Jin Nib
Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since:
2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Doccia Ellicis
Caldari
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.08 19:49:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Atomicus
Ever considered to take your concept to the next level?
RvB Alliances, thus facilitating corporations to join as a whole.
I think that would be a great idea. The increased wardec costs will discourage third party wardecs who just want to pad their killboards with noob frig kills.
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Dread Delgarth
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Posted - 2010.02.11 19:42:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Doccia Ellicis
Originally by: Atomicus
Ever considered to take your concept to the next level?
RvB Alliances, thus facilitating corporations to join as a whole.
I think that would be a great idea. The increased wardec costs will discourage third party wardecs who just want to pad their killboards with noob frig kills.
I too think it's a cool idea - spreads RvB out of the confines of a mere four systems and would allow High Sec 'Carebear' Corps to dip their toes into PvP which can only be a good thing.
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Plave Okice
Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya
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Posted - 2010.02.12 10:06:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Plave Okice on 12/02/2010 10:07:28
Not a good idea.
And I'm saying that from the experience of having made two Alliances during RvB 1. It made balance much more difficult, and balance is hard enough as it is.
Stick to corps, we learned the hard way first time round.
Originally by: Doccia Ellicis
I think that would be a great idea. The increased wardec costs will discourage third party wardecs who just want to pad their killboards with noob frig kills.
3rd party war is the part of RvB you should look forward to.
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Doccia Ellicis
Caldari
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.12 20:27:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Doccia Ellicis on 12/02/2010 20:28:38
Originally by: Plave Okice
Originally by: Doccia Ellicis
I think that would be a great idea. The increased wardec costs will discourage third party wardecs who just want to pad their killboards with noob frig kills.
3rd party war is the part of RvB you should look forward to.
Why, oh why?
I bet you enjoy getting camped in by a fleet of RR Battleships with logistics and tackler support. We can't even do anything about it. Oh, and before you say "lol wai not fight back??" Do you not think we already thought about it?
R-v-B is mostly comprised of people who are of low-sp and limited pvp experience. We lack in skillpoints, equipment, ships, experience and organization. Even if we do sc**** up the necessary numbers and resources to even have a remote chance of defeating them, they'll just dock up or ship up. Because they can see everything that we are planning with in-corp spies.
These guys are not interested in "fair" fights, they don't operate under the philosophy that "I'm going to lose this ship but I'm going to have fun doing it," all they are interested in is gank gank gank. They even go as far as to employ interceptors and prober alts to scan down our insta-undocks to gank a few t1 fitted Rifters.
That is why we are ignoring them. And even then there'll always be the ****** who tries to solo them in his failfit T2.
That's how the rest of EVE works, and the whole purpose of R-v-B is to escape from that. So I fail to see how we "should look forward to it." So please don't spew random nonsense and pretend that you actually know what you are talking about.
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Plave Okice
Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya
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Posted - 2010.02.13 01:03:00 -
[38]
Why don't you look up the name of the guy who formed the very corp you're in.
Then come back and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.
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Abram Thrust
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.02.13 01:55:00 -
[39]
>.<
this is comedy gold.
Plave doesn't even need to be in RvB to roll reds!
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J'mee Leggs
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Posted - 2010.02.13 01:58:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Plave Okice
Edited by: Plave Okice on 12/02/2010 10:07:28
3rd party war is the part of RvB you should look forward to.
QFT. 3rd parties are when you bring out your ECM boats, or bajillion SP gajillion ISK ships. 3rd parties add variety. The same rule of thumb applies. The winner goes home in a pod, the loser stays docked up.
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Doccia Ellicis
Caldari
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.13 02:25:00 -
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Edited by: Doccia Ellicis on 13/02/2010 02:28:18
Originally by: Plave Okice
Why don't you look up the name of the guy who formed the very corp you're in.
Then come back and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.
Oh no! Where is your ass? I must kiss it!
Is that the reaction that you are looking for?
You offered no counter argument to the points that I made above. Maybe next time you can actually post some substance instead of displaying unfounded arrogance and condescension. Maybe next time you will realize that just because you are one of the founders of RvB doesn't exempt you from criticism.
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Hereon Herinnger
Gallente
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.02.13 04:27:00 -
[42]
Just confirming here that independent of all flamewars, RvB is awesome. That is all.
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Kenrailae
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Posted - 2010.02.13 05:06:00 -
[43]
Woot RVB! You Guys Rock! :D
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Russel Williams
Minmatar
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.13 05:22:00 -
[44]
Too much QQ'ing in here . Anyway <3 RvB
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Cartheron Crust
Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya
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Posted - 2010.02.13 07:18:00 -
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How do you get camped in to station in hi-sec? One of the first things you are told before you join RvB is to make multiple instaundock points and some gatecheck bm's. Even if you didn't you can just undock in a pod and warp off to another station and get in a ship. Leaving the 3rd party guys to camp an empty station. Avoiding 3rd party wardecs if you don't have enough numbers, correct ships to counter them, or just plain can't be arsed at that time is rediculously easy.
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Plave Okice
Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya
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Posted - 2010.02.13 11:11:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Doccia Ellicis
Edited by: Doccia Ellicis on 13/02/2010 03:06:49
Originally by: Plave Okice
Why don't you look up the name of the guy who formed the very corp you're in.
Then come back and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.
Oh no! Where is your ass? I must kiss it!
Is that the reaction that you were looking for?
You offered no counter argument to the points that I made above. Maybe next time you can actually post some substance instead of displaying unfounded arrogance and condescension. Maybe next time you will realize that just because you are one of the founders of RvB doesn't exempt you from criticism. Maybe next time you don't have to rely on a blatant Argumentum ad Verecundiam.
RvB was not created to "escape from normal PvP" as you seem to claim it is, I should know, I created it, it was created to be a normal war in empire that allowed anyone to join, it was not created to be a noob friendly pvp zone with rules and exceptions that made it different from any other eve pvp. No argument to be made about that, it's cold, hard fact.
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Doccia Ellicis
Caldari
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.13 14:48:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Plave Okice
RvB was not created to "escape from normal PvP" as you seem to claim it is, I should know, I created it, it was created to be a normal war in empire that allowed anyone to join, it was not created to be a noob friendly pvp zone with rules and exceptions that made it different from any other eve pvp. No argument to be made about that, it's cold, hard fact.
Perhaps it wasn't created to be that way, but, currently, it is. That's why we have rules and exceptions that makes it a newbie friendly environment. After all, it is the hook of RvB and it is what made it popular the second time around. The current state of RvB is a cold, hard fact and your prior intentions are irrelevant to the situation at hand.
Originally by: Plave Okice
You "lack in skillpoints, equipment, ships, experience and organization" because the rules that have been brought into RvB are the very rules that have turned away more experienced pvpers, attracted only noob players and meant the gulf between RvB pvp and "real" pvp gets wider and wider.
I completely agree. However, I am not sure if it is actually a bad thing. In either case, I am in no position to change the rules of RvB.
Originally by: Plave Okice
Having said that, they skillpoints, equipment and ships aren't an issue, experience is, organisation moreso. 3rd party war should be the challenge, RvB fighting should be the good fun, the practice, the cheap ships and loads of kills to learn the experience and improve the organisation. 3rd party war is where you put it to the test, fight better quality opponents in better ships with better loot to be dropped and better satisfaction from destroying them, that's why 3rd party war is what you should look forward to.
No, skillpoints, equipment and ships are issues. Perhaps not as much as experience and organization, but they are still a limiting factor.
Perhaps you have originally intended that third party war to be one of the goals of RvB, but it is simply not so. With the indiscriminate recruiting system RvB offers, third party corps can plant in as many spies as they desire. Then, the situation can be described by a single if conditional: If we don't have enough resources to defeat them, then we die. Else, they dock right up. We cannot plan sophisticated ambushes because everything we say in fleet comms is directly broadcasted to the enemy's FC.
Perhaps it is a learning experience, yes. But it is definitely not fun. And it isn't something that I look forward to in RvB.
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Orion Shadowmaker
Amarr
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.02.13 18:05:00 -
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WOW! -- First of all RVB is the best thing going right now for me -- Yeah War Decs can be tough, but that doesnt change in 0.0 I assure you (have you ever been on the losing side of a low sec war?( HELLO VIETNAM!)
BTW, Thanks Plave for creating this awesome concept. -- because most of us really appreciate it.
There is no way to make everyone happy, and if you try, your corp is just setting itself up for failure.
Although War decs always have frustration no matter what part of Eve your in. ITS JUST PART OF LIVING IN EVE! 
My enthusiazm is real and genuine, although You guys claim Im some kind of a recruiting bastage -- Your dead wrong! - This post is only for those still hurting like I was, the ones sick and tired of endless missions, sick and tired of not being on for the few fights that did happen that day in low sec. We do fight more, we do create good friendships and we(most of us) love this thing called RVB!
PS: sorry Jahred, I just couldnt allow this *****ing rant about one thing to taint the original post on how real experience is a PVP'ers greatest asset.
OVER AND OUT!
Orion Shadowmaker
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis
THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2010.02.13 21:52:00 -
[49]
This. Thread. Is. Awesome. (Only after Plave posted and that random noob started flaming him and looking stupid though)
GO RVB!
Originally by: salva dore
Cloak should not be AFK solution.
What do you think?
Originally by: AFK Cloaker
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Doccia Ellicis
Caldari
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.13 22:17:00 -
[50]
Originally by: lollerwaffle
This. Thread. Is. Awesome. (Only after Plave posted and that random noob started flaming him and looking stupid though)
GO RVB!
Yay, forum cool points beat logic every single time.
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis
THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2010.02.13 22:37:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Doccia Ellicis
Originally by: lollerwaffle
This. Thread. Is. Awesome. (Only after Plave posted and that random noob started flaming him and looking stupid though)
GO RVB!
Yay, forum cool points beat logic every single time.
There's no place for logic here. -Forum-Fu 101
Originally by: salva dore
Cloak should not be AFK solution.
What do you think?
Originally by: AFK Cloaker
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Doccia Ellicis
Caldari
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.13 22:52:00 -
[52]
Originally by: lollerwaffle
Originally by: Doccia Ellicis
Originally by: lollerwaffle
This. Thread. Is. Awesome. (Only after Plave posted and that random noob started flaming him and looking stupid though)
GO RVB!
Yay, forum cool points beat logic every single time.
There's no place for logic here. -Forum-Fu 101
lol, it sure seems like it.
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Amarr Supremacist
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Posted - 2010.02.13 23:34:00 -
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Wow, what a little baby you are.
All the cool people like Plave left RvB already. What you have left are people like Orion - teehee.
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Serend
Gallente
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.02.22 18:12:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Doccia Ellicis
Edited by: Doccia Ellicis on 13/02/2010 03:06:49
Originally by: Plave Okice
Maybe next time you don't have to rely on a blatant Argumentum ad Verecundiam.
This is cold, hard fact. Believe it. RvB has classier flamewars. Period.
Serend
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decoherance
Gallente
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.02.22 20:06:00 -
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I dont get to play Eve that much anymore, I log in maybe 2-3 times a week for a couple of hours at the most.
Because of my limited play time I'm pretty much useless to a corp or alliance, FacWar is dead and solo'ing takes too long.
When I log on I just want pew pew so RvB is perfect for me, I can log in and get into a fight within 5mins max.
That is what RvB is about, quick and easy to find fights.
It's not just noobs in frigs, and all the people shooting it down saying how all the best pilots left etc... need to grow up.
Orion is just excited at all the action he's getting, no need to flame him because you feel superior with your 'proper' pvp.
If you see RVB in the thread title and get butthurt over it, then dont click it, it's only one little line on the forum, quite easy to ignore.
I'd like to thank Plave for setting it up again (I was there the first time round) and all the people who have kept it going, without it I probably would'nt be playing Eve at all.
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Sillas Cov
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.22 22:35:00 -
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Edited by: Sillas Cov on 22/02/2010 22:35:44
Originally by: Plave Okice
3rd party war is the part of RvB you should look forward to.
As an Active Fc for Red Fed for almost 4 months and 2000 kills, I think I'm in a good position to comment on Plave's above statement.
1st off Rvb only works as a vehicle for consistent, challenging, and fun Pvp, When pilots commit their ships and fleets too the fight... AWAY FROM THE STATIONS.
Pvp is fun... wait for it: When you actually do it.
3rd Party war decs in Rvb are 95% fail in terms of satisfying pvp because... well, for many of the reasons outlined by my fellow corp mate Doccia.
To each their own brand of Eve Pvp enjoyment,but Rvb Pilots vote with their time, isk and ships.My boys actually UNDOCK and willingly engage worthy Blue Republic opponents like Orion and his fleet mates, with full commitment.... repeatedly. Battle after Battle.
3rd party War decs rarely commit their ships away from stations, or without neutral RR support, gank odds or spies... which leave myself and my fleet mates without respect for these types of engagements.
I'm bored with 3rd party pvp as it predictable and mostly fail. It doesnt even occur to me too join a High sec wannabe pvp ganking corp. I'm having too much fun shooting stuff.
We are in Rvb because we want to actually fight, not wait idle hours for it, or run from it, or horde our shiny ships....or dock up when the odds move away from sure win.
Our system of fleet balancing is getting Rvb lots of fights... T1 combat is intensely challenging and rewarding. If this has to be explained too you then.... well...
Onward
Sillas
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Lukka
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Posted - 2010.02.22 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sillas Cov
3rd party War decs rarely commit their ships away from stations, or without neutral RR support, gank odds or spies... which leave myself and my fleet mates without respect for these types of engagements.
In general, 3rd parties field much smaller gangs than can red or blue (much less combined purple fleets), hence force multipliers are needed to achieve anything resembling force parity.
Or do you really expect 1-4 3rd party wartargets to engage you on a gate when they know they'll get blobbed by 10, 20, 30 wts? Why would they intentionally put themselves in that situation? Do you think 3rd parties wardec you to fuel your killboards, Hanna Deltr, "FC for almost 4 months and 2000 kills"?
Everything you blame/accuse 3rd party wts of doing is a direct response to RvB's own tactics against them. I should know, having been on both sides of this coin. There isn't even the faintest notion of giving a 3rd party a 'good fight.' The kneejerk, and only, reaction is to try to blob them into oblivion. Given this, how do you expect 3rd parties to prosecute their wardec? How would you fight an opponent with 5-30x your numbers?
Of your list of 'underhanded' tactics, poopoo'ing 3rd parties for using spies is singularly amusing, considering both Red and Blue use spies (both in the opposing corp and neutral scout alts) against one another.
I enjoyed my time both in and against RvB. A few observations:
I would say I heard more whining in RvB than anywhere else in eve (which, frankly, is quite a feat). Good laughs though, if you don't take video games too seriously.
The assignment of a moral position to 3rd party wardecs is pretty absurd in my opinion. Pardon the double negative, but I'd wager that CCP didn't implement wardecs so people wouldn't use them. I also find it mildly ironic that you complain about the very mechanic to which RvB owes its existence. You want to eat your cake and have it too? Well, me too, but eve (and life, coincidentally) doesn't work that way.
/lukka
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Sillas Cov
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.23 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Lukka
The assignment of a moral position to 3rd party wardecs is pretty absurd in my opinion.
Lukka Bro...
Yes a bit of moralizing was expressed in the last post.
Your points look at the issues associated with force parity from a War Decing corp's point of view, but basically state the obvious.
I wonder then:
Why wardec Rvb at all, unless you can field a 30 man High sec pvp fleet to take us on and join in the fun of off station fighting?
If I recall once you deced our corp you spent a lot of your time ganking undocking noobs and successfully baiting a few bored, idle pilots! That must of gotten old after the 1st few days.
I've found that in reality, Rvb only works when Fcs get pilots into fleets and into action at reasonable odds... in a timely manner. Repeatedly.
Pilots in Rvb may like the 3rd gank win when they can get it, but station games and undermanned 3rd party war dec fights don't provide the level of fun Ive seem my pilots have in Rvb Fleet action.
The key idea I communicated was the intense amount of fun we have in Rvb... because we get to fight alot.
The issues associated with 3rd party war decs are minor compared too the quality and quantity of fights we get in Rvb.
I would have thought that was obvious from my last post.
We had 2 great 20 vs 20 Mixed Battle cruiser, cruiser fights this weekend, which came down the wire after 15 minutes of intense fighting... seriously cool fights. No one docked up or ran away for the most part.
Sand box working as intended in Rvb.
Sillas
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Lukka
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Posted - 2010.02.23 02:01:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Sillas Cov
Yes a bit of moralizing was expressed in the last post.
While I did choose 'you' as a pronoun, I really meant pretty much every anti-3rd party wardec post in this thread.
Originally by: Sillas Cov
Why wardec Rvb at all, unless you can field a 30 man High sec pvp fleet to take us on and join in the fun of off station fighting?
A lot of people like the idea of RvB and would like to take part, but have formed a strong sense of community with their existing corp and don't wish to give it up. Becoming a 3rd party wardec is a logical way to take part in the fun. It doesn't mean they hate RvB and want to see it implode. It also doesn't mean they expect/desire to be blobbed into oblivion or do the same to RvB. This was understood during the first iteration of RvB and I imagine was at least part of the reasoning behind the creation of the alliances, which sadly didn't work out. Plenty of people I know have asked me about RvB and were thinking about joining, and I was happy to recommend it, but in the end they weren't willing to leave their corp to do so.
Originally by: Sillas Cov
Pilots in Rvb may like the 3rd gank win when they can get it, but station games and undermanned 3rd party war dec fights don't provide the level of fun Ive seem my pilots have in Rvb Fleet action.
They wouldn't be undermanned 3rd party fleets if you actually tried to engage them the same way you would an RvB gang. Just because you can blob them doesn't mean you have to. RvB 'force matches' enough it should be second nature. Obviously adjustments need to be made given that 3rd parties are less likely to shy away from things like neutral rr or ecm that are, or were, taboo in RvB. Or perhaps be straight forward with them, and let them know that you're all about the good fights, but if they do start using neutral rr or whatever displeases the RvB masses that week you'll start blobbing the h3ll out of them /shrug.
My buddies and I would've loved to fight RvB 2-4v3-6, but we never bothered trying to give RvB that type of fight because we knew we'd never get it. When you watch an RvB BC/BS/t3 undock and aggress you on a station while watching 20 more itching at the seams on the Tourier gate in Alenia with a cov ops alt, it's one of those /facepalm moments.
Originally by: Sillas Cov
The key idea I communicated was the intense amount of fun we have in Rvb... because we get to fight alot.
The issues associated with 3rd party war decs are minor compared too the quality and quantity of fights we get in Rvb.
We had 2 great 20 vs 20 Mixed Battle cruiser, cruiser fights this weekend, which came down the wire after 15 minutes of intense fighting... seriously cool fights. No one docked up or ran away for the most part.
Sand box working as intended in Rvb.
Yes, RvB does get more fights than anything else I've seen and it is a surprisingly lot of fun. My point, and not necessarily directed at you Hanna, is simply that 3rd parties are not the bane of RvB's existence. They're not "out to get you." Maybe some are, I can't speak for the motivations of others really, but in many cases they're just groups of friends that want exactly the same things as RvBers, but don't want to give up their corp to do it. This does not make them morally bankrupt reincarnations of <insert hated despot here>. Having had an alt in RvB while I was a 3rd party wardec (), I know exactly how much hatred RvB can work up for them.
If RvB looked at 3rd parties as a means to get more good fights it would only make it better overall. Or think of the possibilities with 3 way fights? How awesome could that turn out to be? 3rd party wardecs should be an opportunity for RvBers, not the annoyance/hassle RvB has allowed them to become.
/lukka
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Michael Turate
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Posted - 2010.02.23 18:10:00 -
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Initially I'm agreeing with Plave. 3rd party wars should be one of the most exciting parts of RVB, a chance for RVB pilots to 'raise their game' and face off against the kind of opponents they will meet in lo-sec and 0.0, experienced pilots using the full gamut of Eve PVP mechanics including RR, smartbombs, ECM, spies, neutral scouts etc.
In reality it has rarely worked out like that in this incarnation of RVB as the corps that have war decced RVB have been too small. RVB now has over 1200 members and can easily field defense fleets of 50+ most nights with bs/bc and plenty of t2. The small corps that have war decced RVB have been unable to meet RVB in open combat and have had to revert to 'terrorist' tactics of sniping, ambushing and camping in order to get kills and justify their dec. Unfortunately these tactics punish those least able to protect themselves and results in new RVB pilots being ganked and podded as they attempt to get to RVB fights. This disrupts the normal flow of RVB action and RVB FCs will usually deal with it in the most effective way, i.e. blob the griefers out of existence. SilasÆs comments are backed up by the facts.
So if you plan to war dec RVB, consider the size of the corp you are facing. They may be noobs but plenty of corps in Eve have demonstrated that numerical superiority often neutralizes skill deficit. If you canÆt bring numbers and you wonÆt engage in open combat then the odds are youÆll get the blob. ItÆs not malicious, but people enter RVB with the expectation of lots of PVP and if 3rd parties are preventing fights from happening then they have to be dealt with.
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Lady Clairice
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Posted - 2010.02.23 18:50:00 -
[61]
RvB sucks these days. All the good people have left, and were stuck with people who bring out there ****ing mac's if someone in a cane refuses to duel them just to gank them, aka Tinkerhell (who hasn't been kicked yet since hes Major trents secret lover) and other people are following suit its sad to say.
Least it started off as a good thing
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Serend
Gallente
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.02.23 20:41:00 -
[62]
This thread is a hoot.
RvB ain't for everybody. Like Sillas said, the sand box is working in our corner of the galaxy. Not your cup of tea? Hope you find what you like.
Serend
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.02.23 21:30:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Serend
This thread is a hoot.
RvB ain't for everybody. Like Sillas said, the sand box is working in our corner of the galaxy. Not your cup of tea? Hope you find what you like.
Serend
It's not RVB people are raging at, it's that you have a hybrid attentionwhoring and recruitment post in the warfare and tactics forum.
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Michael Turate
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Posted - 2010.02.23 21:44:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Lady Clairice
RvB sucks these days. All the good people have left, and were stuck with people who bring out there ****ing mac's if someone in a cane refuses to duel them just to gank them, aka Tinkerhell (who hasn't been kicked yet since hes Major trents secret lover) and other people are following suit its sad to say.
Least it started off as a good thing
I don't agree, RVB is in great shape, new recruits all the time, lots of really fun fights and plenty of laughs. The faces in RVB will always change thats the nature of the beast, RVB was set out to allow this to happen. Trust me, it's in very good hands at the moment and will continue to offer choice in the Eve universe for those who want to try it out.
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J'mee Leggs
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Posted - 2010.02.23 23:16:00 -
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Edited by: J''mee Leggs on 23/02/2010 23:17:33
Originally by: Lady Clairice
RvB sucks these days. All the good people have left, and were stuck with people who bring out there ****ing mac's if someone in a cane refuses to duel them just to gank them, aka Tinkerhell (who hasn't been kicked yet since hes Major trents secret lover) and other people are following suit its sad to say.
Least it started off as a good thing
What, exactly, should he be kicked for?
EDIT: Also, agreeing with those stating that this is in the wrong forum.
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Lady Clairice
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Posted - 2010.02.24 16:03:00 -
[66]
Originally by: J'mee Leggs
What, exactly, should he be kicked for?
Getting in oversized ships to kill everyone and not shipping down when people ask, like my cane gank example. Its not fun for anyone, and goes against RvB. Tons of people have complained about him, yet hes allowed to carry on because major trent likes him up his major trent
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Lukka
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Posted - 2010.02.24 20:51:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Lady Clairice
Getting in oversized ships to kill everyone and not shipping down when people ask, like my cane gank example. Its not fun for anyone, and goes against RvB. Tons of people have complained about him, yet hes allowed to carry on because major trent likes him up his major trent
Confirming he should definitely be kicked for this! After all, wasn't this why I was kicked?
In other news, don't you have your own forum for this kind of thing? Why the *uck did you bring this here? So everyone can know how whiny you are?
I get that RvB feels the need to proselytize on the W&T forum, although that is not to say I understand why they feel that need in the first place, but don't you get it yet? With every thread like this you make RvB more of a laughing stock to the general eve community. Whatever your objective in posting here is, it should be obvious to even the most dense among you that this kind of crap will not serve it.
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Orion Shadowmaker
Amarr
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.02.24 21:11:00 -
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As you can see we cannot please everyone, We just had 10 straight fleet engagements yesterday -- They were incredible fun! -- Where were you lady?  Each fleet had 17-24 pilots in them. Id say there are allot of RVB'ers having a blast.
Ill look into the issue you are highlighting - but solo PVP is a part of all fighting in EVE -- many aspects can be quite tough - Please check with your team leaders and know that we are always trying to improve RVB for everyone involved.
Hope to see you guys soon and fly again!
OrioN Shadowmaker
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Orion Shadowmaker
Amarr
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.02.24 21:48:00 -
[69]
If you read the original post, its all about experience being your greatest asset for PVP.
and Lukka your insane , we have added over 150+ pilots in a just the last few weeks. RVB is going strong my friend, I know that station camping with 2 nuet RR'rs got ya kicked but we gave ya a good fight when your war decced us so what can I say??
Good luck!
Orion Shadowmaker
PS: I havent posted anything just responses in over a month Jahred - please dont hate on me he he 
Go Blues! |
Lukka
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Posted - 2010.02.24 22:50:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Orion Shadowmaker
If you read the original post, its all about experience being your greatest asset for PVP.
and Lukka your insane , we have added over 150+ pilots in a just the last few weeks. RVB is going strong my friend, I know that station camping with 2 nuet RR'rs got ya kicked but we gave ya a good fight when your war decced us so what can I say??
Good luck!
Orion Shadowmaker
PS: I havent posted anything just responses in over a month Jahred - please dont hate on me he he
Seems you don't know very much then, since my neut RR alt was in Amarr fw lowsec while Lukka was in RvB proper, and the other one couldn't even RR until a while after the wardec went active. I overhead all sorts of hilarious, if outlandish, stories of what I did to get kicked out of RvB while I was spying on RvB corp chats; people seemed to be out to one-up each others' stories depending upon how many times they'd been podded. Also amusing is that RvB's population stayed more or less constant during KDR's wardec, and started growing again once we left. I know I know, there were doubtlessly 100 other reasons for this--it couldn't POSSIBLY have anything to do with a 3rd party wardec .
I wouldn't really say you gave us 'good fights'. I got a rifter duel out of Juan Rayo, and someone else agreed to fight my thrasher in a caracal w/o RvB interference. Props to both of them. Everything else was drivebys, probing out safes, and station/gate ganking, which is to say, much like any other war in eve. For a while, I kept a running tally of how many people quit RvB within minutes of being podded by us until the paper got lost somewhere and I lost count. An unexpected side benefit were the 300-400m in t2 mods I looted off RvB wrecks and sold back to them. Pretty sure I sold the same set of t2 small autocannons 6 or 7 times. It's the small things in life--err, eve--that make it worth playing ;).
Oh yea, I did get this evemail reply after a fun thrasher duel with an RvB pilot:
"thx man. I had half a mind to undock my huggin and straight execute you, but I am sporty rather than vengeful. Plus all the reds just seethe with rage at the mere mention of your name, which is funny."
Here's to you, chief.
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Birdman Ravo
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Posted - 2010.02.25 07:25:00 -
[71]
I've got 4 days in RVB, and I'll admit it's not all fun. It is however a much better learning experience than just blindly jumping into low/null and a lot more real than some of the "hold your hand" intro to PVP corps.
I've seen a very large spectrum of PVP in RVB. From frigate fights that were an epic display of strategy, to swearing at a fleet for a "Finding Nemo seagulls*" attitude towards bait ships, to straight up overkill BS / BC blobs in response to a couple of tactically placed frigs and cruisers. Sometimes it's fun, sometimes it's not. Sometimes I want to strangle certain members of the other side who put a killmail above all else. But in the end, I couldn't ask for a better PVP experience.
* "Mine? Mine! Mine! Mine? Mine. Mine!"
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Polaris Lumine
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.03.20 22:19:00 -
[72]
All I can say is that I joined RvB when Plave first got it off the ground and it was a damn fine, albeit expensive, experience. (Tbh I could have limited the expenditure if I didn't drag Navy Ravens to the punch ups, but where's the adrenaline rush in that :))
I will also say that while we loved pew pewing the blues (red ftw) the best engagements we had were most definitely the third party war decs.
Whatever RvB is now, whether it's changed significantly or not, keep having a blast. It's still a great concept.
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Drake Konstantin
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Posted - 2010.03.21 01:53:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Lukka
Originally by: Orion Shadowmaker
If you read the original post, its all about experience being your greatest asset for PVP.
and Lukka your insane , we have added over 150+ pilots in a just the last few weeks. RVB is going strong my friend, I know that station camping with 2 nuet RR'rs got ya kicked but we gave ya a good fight when your war decced us so what can I say??
Good luck!
Orion Shadowmaker
PS: I havent posted anything just responses in over a month Jahred - please dont hate on me he he
Seems you don't know very much then, since my neut RR alt was in Amarr fw lowsec while Lukka was in RvB proper, and the other one couldn't even RR until a while after the wardec went active. I overhead all sorts of hilarious, if outlandish, stories of what I did to get kicked out of RvB while I was spying on RvB corp chats; people seemed to be out to one-up each others' stories depending upon how many times they'd been podded. Also amusing is that RvB's population stayed more or less constant during KDR's wardec, and started growing again once we left. I know I know, there were doubtlessly 100 other reasons for this--it couldn't POSSIBLY have anything to do with a 3rd party wardec .
I wouldn't really say you gave us 'good fights'. I got a rifter duel out of Juan Rayo, and someone else agreed to fight my thrasher in a caracal w/o RvB interference. Props to both of them. Everything else was drivebys, probing out safes, and station/gate ganking, which is to say, much like any other war in eve. For a while, I kept a running tally of how many people quit RvB within minutes of being podded by us until the paper got lost somewhere and I lost count. An unexpected side benefit were the 300-400m in t2 mods I looted off RvB wrecks and sold back to them. Pretty sure I sold the same set of t2 small autocannons 6 or 7 times. It's the small things in life--err, eve--that make it worth playing ;).
Oh yea, I did get this evemail reply after a fun thrasher duel with an RvB pilot:
"thx man. I had half a mind to undock my huggin and straight execute you, but I am sporty rather than vengeful. Plus all the reds just seethe with rage at the mere mention of your name, which is funny."
Here's to you, chief.
cool story bro
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Aeros Windsorn
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.03.21 02:55:00 -
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Wow... I guess RvB really did change when plave left. I loved the third parties, blues shipping up and reds shipping up, getting completely hammered and still having fun. Sounds like some of these guys think rvb is newbie plaything, and while it is kinda, its still a war and thats the fun in it! Gank and get Ganked, fleets or 1v1. Well, things change, sometimes for the better I suppose.
RvB was awesome under plave, but I think ill steer clear of it now.
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WorthlessAlt Slot2
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Posted - 2010.03.22 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: Aeros Windsorn
Wow... I guess RvB really did change when plave left. I loved the third parties, blues shipping up and reds shipping up, getting completely hammered and still having fun. Sounds like some of these guys think rvb is newbie plaything, and while it is kinda, its still a war and thats the fun in it! Gank and get Ganked, fleets or 1v1. Well, things change, sometimes for the better I suppose.
RvB was awesome under plave, but I think ill steer clear of it now.
I got an inactive alt in red. Been there since a couple weeks after start-up. Wanted to say Plave is an awesome FC!
So, to any R-v-B member, what IS it like now?
* How many decs and fights from those decs do you have?
* Been to nullsec recently.....(CVA Thanny = tasty )?
* Been to lowsec at all?
* When was the last rookie ship assault?
Been thinking about re-activating, but, I passed through with a trading alt a couple weeks ago and looked pretty dead in all three systems.
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Orion Shadowmaker
Amarr
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.03.22 15:55:00 -
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Guys,
The responses to this post about war targets, were from just a few pilots perspectives and are quite old..
We are not having problems with our War decs, in fact we are doing very well overall. The only ones that complain dont use good tactics on the stations, but that is to be expected when those pilots are primarily just new PVP players learning the ropes.
Just look at our kill board -- RVB is very much alive and doing well!
Thanks
Orion Shadowmaker
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Van PokerAlho
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Posted - 2010.03.22 18:29:00 -
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RVB is great, I played a lot in my brother character, learned a lot, started this account for myself so I could play RVB. I had an account 2 years ago and left due to RL issues, not a noob.
Yes 3rd party wardecs are not fun because this guys just camp the stations and make docking games, and that is by far the worst type of pvp in EVE, but hey!! if this people want to gank t1 crap ships and stay stopped in space for hours, that is their problem, that is what freedom is. I hate this type of pvp and I dislike the players who do it, just be more active when they come, make a fleet, send the bait, gank the ****ers!
I like better to go and have plenty of fights in one hour, have my name in 30 killmails, get some final blows and have some great fun, instead of waiting 4 hours to get 10 final blows of **** ships. Also I have a life and I cant play 4 hours for such a crap fun time, time is to valuable.
There are a lot of people that like to undermine RVB for reasons Im not familiar with, if you dont like the threads ignore them, if you dont like Orion posting skills ignore them, if you cant ignore them you should visit your psychiatrist, but stop posting bull**** about something you dont know about, dont want to know about, or you think you know about but the truth is that you are a moron that thinks that know everything about EVE.
Congratulations to all RVB pilots that try everyday to have fun, some days are better than others, that is life, RVB is very fun if you know how to approach it, that is why some people in RVB sometimes dont have the fun they could have, hope they learn it with time.
Long living to RVB
Van out
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