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Captain PewPew
Belt Monkey Mining Co
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Posted - 2012.06.26 22:46:00 -
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To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.
Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.
Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first. |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
892
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Posted - 2012.06.26 22:47:00 -
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Um... no it isn't.
Botting is using a 3rd party program to mimic human behavior, ie to play the game for you.
AFK cloaking is specifically not playing the game. |

Syllviaa
Dominus Nex Angelus
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Posted - 2012.06.26 22:47:00 -
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Captain PewPew wrote:To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.
Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.
Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.
How can it be botting if they aren't running a program that emulates key presses?
Free CCP Zymurgist, RubyPorto, Talon SilverHawk, Karl Hobb, Malacath Azaria -Mallak Azaria (Soon to be free) -Malacath Azaria IB4TS |

Adelphie
Paradox Collective Choke Point
70
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Posted - 2012.06.26 22:48:00 -
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Captain PewPew wrote:To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.
Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.
Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.
Not this.
Again. |

AFK Hauler
State War Academy
686
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Posted - 2012.06.26 22:48:00 -
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Then so are buy and sell orders.... |

Captain PewPew
Belt Monkey Mining Co
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Posted - 2012.06.26 22:49:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Um... no it isn't.
Botting is using a 3rd party program to mimic human behavior, ie to play the game for you.
AFK cloaking is specifically not playing the game.
Botting is a computer controlling and affecting an environment without human presence. |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
892
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Posted - 2012.06.26 22:51:00 -
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Captain PewPew wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Um... no it isn't.
Botting is using a 3rd party program to mimic human behavior, ie to play the game for you.
AFK cloaking is specifically not playing the game. Botting is a computer controlling and affecting an environment without human presence. No, lack of human presence is not necessary. A person can be at the computer and still be botting.
And in order to be botting, under the definition used by CCP (the only one that matters) and by most if not all game companies, is using a 3rd party program to play the game. |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1670
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Posted - 2012.06.26 22:52:00 -
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Captain PewPew wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Um... no it isn't.
Botting is using a 3rd party program to mimic human behavior, ie to play the game for you.
AFK cloaking is specifically not playing the game. Botting is a computer controlling and affecting an environment without human presence.
But I'm a computer that's made out of meat. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Syllviaa
Dominus Nex Angelus
2
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Posted - 2012.06.26 22:52:00 -
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Captain PewPew wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Um... no it isn't.
Botting is using a 3rd party program to mimic human behavior, ie to play the game for you.
AFK cloaking is specifically not playing the game. Botting is a computer controlling and affecting an environment without human presence.
How can an afk cloaker affect the environment if he's afk?
Free CCP Zymurgist, RubyPorto, Talon SilverHawk, Karl Hobb, Malacath Azaria -Mallak Azaria (Soon to be free) -Malacath Azaria IB4TS |

Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1655
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Posted - 2012.06.26 22:53:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Um... no it isn't.
Botting is using a 3rd party program to mimic human behavior, ie to play the game for you.
AFK cloaking is specifically not playing the game.
did I just agree with CJ?
this is madness... pure madness....
"You were the chosen one Anakin, you were supposed to bring order to the galaxy, not destroy it!" -Obi Wan (Ben) Kenobi -á |

Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
619
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Posted - 2012.06.26 22:53:00 -
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By the same logic, training skills is botting, as it gives an advantage to your character without you being at the keyboard. |

Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
93
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Posted - 2012.06.26 22:54:00 -
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Know what happened the last time someone was afk in my system? Nothing, because he was afk. Alliance Diplomat, Recruiter |

Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.26 22:57:00 -
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Captain PewPew wrote:To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.
Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.
Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.
In the what now? -RubyPorto
IB4TS |

Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
152
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Posted - 2012.06.26 22:59:00 -
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Captain PewPew wrote:To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.
Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.
Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.
See, just another reason for removing local, what you don't know won't scare you. Besides the AFK ones are harmless...
The cloakers you really got to be worried about is the ones who are not AFK  I'm an American, English is my second language... |

Ditra Vorthran
State War Academy Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2012.06.26 23:00:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote:Know what happened the last time someone was afk in my system? Nothing, because he was afk.
Do you want to know what happened the last time someone was afk in my system? Nothing, because no one can tell he's afk, therefore there's no such think as someone who is AFK. "Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus |

Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.26 23:03:00 -
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Captain PewPew wrote:To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.
Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.
Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.
AFK cloaking doesn't involve bots, so it's not botting. This is more like... I dunno... Schr+¦dingering.
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Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
95
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Posted - 2012.06.26 23:04:00 -
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I can tell you that living in a wh, we have about 30+ scouts from other wh corps/alliances logged off in our wh. This doesn't prevent us from doing anything, even though we know they are there.
There should be no reason why you can't do what you need to do. If they uncloak and tackle you, they aren't afk. If they drop a cyno on you, they aren't afk.
Quit being pussies and play Eve. Alliance Diplomat, Recruiter |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
893
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Posted - 2012.06.26 23:04:00 -
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Ditra Vorthran wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:Know what happened the last time someone was afk in my system? Nothing, because he was afk. Do you want to know what happened the last time someone was afk in my system? I could do nothing, because no one can tell he's afk. There's no such thing as someone who is AFK. Congrats on losing EVE. |

Raiz Nhell
DEEP CORPS
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Posted - 2012.06.26 23:05:00 -
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Captain PewPew wrote:You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.
And that's why people do it...
It effects a change in behaviour... in your case docking up and doing nothing...
Ganking/camping/anything we do in EVE has the same effect... it affects the flow and control of gameplay all be it from a position at the keyboard...
I for one, know the gankers, I see them in local, I find somewhere else to mine, or I head off to get another Hulk blown up in lowsec...
If I were you I'd get to know the cloakers, flag them and ignore them...
They only have a negative effect on your gameplay cause you let them.
There is no such thing as a fair fight...
If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage. |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
1064
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Posted - 2012.06.26 23:06:00 -
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EVERYTHING IS BOTTING
BAN EVERYONE Mane 614
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.26 23:06:00 -
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Captain PewPew wrote:To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.
Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.
Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.
Then its only fair, that AFK cloakers get a % cut from the work of your AFK miners and ratters so they can make ISK too. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1637
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Posted - 2012.06.26 23:06:00 -
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Using drones is botting.
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Ditra Vorthran
State War Academy Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2012.06.26 23:07:00 -
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I love it how miners get lambasted for playing the game by afk mining, but oh my god, how dare we touch the sacred cow of afk cloaking...
Engaging the hypocrisy drive! Full burn! "Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus |

Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
152
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Posted - 2012.06.26 23:08:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote:I can tell you that living in a wh, we have about 30+ scouts from other wh corps/alliances logged off in our wh. This doesn't prevent us from doing anything, even though we know they are there.
There should be no reason why you can't do what you need to do. If they uncloak and tackle you, they aren't afk. If they drop a cyno on you, they aren't afk.
Quit being pussies and play Eve.
/thread I'm an American, English is my second language... |

Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
139
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Posted - 2012.06.26 23:08:00 -
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Syllviaa wrote:Captain PewPew wrote:To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.
Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.
Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first. How can it be botting if they aren't running a program that emulates key presses?
well afk cloakers use a typical bot type programs that play a sound to alert the user. Used to play a sound when someone enters local system or when someone is within sight when you are cloaked etc. Bots also use the same for warping off when ratting. In a way, afk cloaking help botting and all those 3rd party hijacking programs.
i am one of those that thinks afk cloaking should be nummed down to limit bots and detect bots easier. |

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
438
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Posted - 2012.06.26 23:10:00 -
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Fail-troll is horrific comical fail, even by the standards of this forum.
1/10.
Next! In irae, veritas. |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1671
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Posted - 2012.06.26 23:11:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:EVERYTHING IS BOTTING
BAN EVERYONE
EVERYONE TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Ditra Vorthran
State War Academy Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2012.06.26 23:15:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Ditra Vorthran wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:Know what happened the last time someone was afk in my system? Nothing, because he was afk. Do you want to know what happened the last time someone was afk in my system? I could do nothing, because no one can tell he's afk. There's no such thing as someone who is AFK. Congrats on losing EVE.
Really?
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/05/29/im-not-afraid-of-that-neut-in-local-razor-titan-down/
They he must be the biggest winner of them all... "Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus |

Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2012.06.26 23:16:00 -
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Ditra Vorthran wrote:I love it how miners get lambasted for playing the game by afk mining, but oh my god, how dare we touch the sacred cow of afk cloaking...
Engaging the hypocrisy drive! Full burn!
AFK Cloaking is the counter to Local as an Intel channel.
AFK Mining is the counter to...
... Bueller?
... Bueller? -RubyPorto
IB4TS |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
893
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Posted - 2012.06.26 23:19:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Ditra Vorthran wrote:I love it how miners get lambasted for playing the game by afk mining, but oh my god, how dare we touch the sacred cow of afk cloaking...
Engaging the hypocrisy drive! Full burn! AFK Cloaking is the counter to Local as an Intel channel. AFK Mining is the counter to... ... Bueller? ... Bueller? Even then, afk mining isn't so much a problem except when they whine about getting ganked. And then propose stupid ideas to counter ganks. |
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