To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.

Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.

To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.

Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.

Um... no it isn't.


Botting is using a 3rd party program to mimic human behavior, ie to play the game for you.

AFK cloaking is specifically not playing the game.

Botting is a computer controlling and affecting an environment without human presence.

Botting is a computer controlling and affecting an environment without human presence.

Botting is a computer controlling and affecting an environment without human presence.

Um... no it isn't.


Botting is using a 3rd party program to mimic human behavior, ie to play the game for you.

AFK cloaking is specifically not playing the game.

To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.

Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.

To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.

Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.

Know what happened the last time someone was afk in my system? Nothing, because he was afk.

To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.

Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.

Do you want to know what happened the last time someone was afk in my system? I could do nothing, because no one can tell he's afk. There's no such thing as someone who is AFK.

You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.

Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.

I can tell you that living in a wh, we have about 30+ scouts from other wh corps/alliances logged off in our wh. This doesn't prevent us from doing anything, even though we know they are there.

There should be no reason why you can't do what you need to do. If they uncloak and tackle you, they aren't afk. If they drop a cyno on you, they aren't afk.

Quit being pussies and play Eve.

How can it be botting if they aren't running a program that emulates key presses?

Congrats on losing EVE.

I love it how miners get lambasted for playing the game by afk mining, but oh my god, how dare we touch the sacred cow of afk cloaking...

Engaging the hypocrisy drive! Full burn!

AFK Cloaking is the counter to Local as an Intel channel.

AFK Mining is the counter to...

... Bueller?

... Bueller?

How can an afk cloaker affect the environment if he's afk?

Even then, afk mining isn't so much a problem except when they whine about getting ganked. And then propose stupid ideas to counter ganks.

Because for all their chest beating and insults slung at high-seccers null-sec players are the biggest carebears ever, won't rat without an empty system, won't mine without 100 friends on batphone, won't enter grid without numerical superiority and capital backup, lets face facts null-sec is full of pussies.

/Flame

Um... no it isn't.


Botting is using a 3rd party program to mimic human behavior, ie to play the game for you.

AFK cloaking is specifically not playing the game.

So, what you're saying is, you've never been.

Then why do they bother?

AFK Cloaking is the counter to Local as an Intel channel.

AFK Mining is the counter to...

... Bueller?

... Bueller?

Been there, done that couln't stand 3-4 hour PoS bashes left after a month. Also stop alt-poasting

Boredom.

I said Counter, not cause.

It is the counter. Watching rocks evaporate is boring. They go afk to do something more stimulating. On the rare occasions I mine I bring a book.

Botting is a computer controlling and affecting an environment without human presence.

To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.

Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.

AFK Cloaking is the counter to Local as an Intel channel.

AFK Mining is the counter to...

... Bueller?

... Bueller?

To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of hinder botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.

Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.

Um... no it isn't.


Botting is using a 3rd party program to mimic human behavior, ie to play the game for you.

AFK cloaking is specifically not playing the game.

I still believe there should be some method to scan down a cloaked ship.
Granted it should take a very long time for actual cloaky ships and less for say a drake with a cloak but both should be scannable with enough time.

I am talking 20 minutes.

One probe to find a player and put you on the same grid. (random 100 ~ 200km distance from them)
Another probe that can find a player with a slow moving probe that basically explodes and decloaks them.
Wrath of Khan "The thing has to have a tail pipe"
PS - can only use a covert OPS to find the cloaky ship.


IF someone is truly AFK they can be found. if not well the chances would be almost 0.

So you want a mechanic to kill AFK players... but only afk players who aren't you (as the cloakies can't kill you when you're AFK sitting in your hulk at your pos, or docked in a station).

Nah, sorry mate.

I just got a stealth bomber alt. I'm going to go afk cloak somewhere !

I just got a stealth bomber alt. I'm going to go afk cloak somewhere !

To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.

Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.

Confirming that no one has ever died due to an AFK cloaker.

To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.

Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.

I still believe there should be some method to scan down a cloaked ship.
Granted it should take a very long time for actual cloaky ships and less for say a drake with a cloak but both should be scannable with enough time.

I am talking 20 minutes.

One probe to find a player and put you on the same grid. (random 100 ~ 200km distance from them)
Another probe that can find a player with a slow moving probe that basically explodes and decloaks them.
Wrath of Khan "The thing has to have a tail pipe"
PS - can only use a covert OPS to find the cloaky ship.


IF someone is truly AFK they can be found. if not well the chances would be almost 0.

To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.

Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.

To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.

Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.

Um... no it isn't.


Botting is using a 3rd party program to mimic human behavior, ie to play the game for you.

AFK cloaking is specifically not playing the game.

Another ALT

Another ALT

i am a meat popcicle that must go use the toilet while my stealth bomber floats in your 0.0 space. OMFG when did they call this botting?!?!?!

But seriously there is a definitive line between AFK cloaky in nullbear land to actuall botting.

Actuall Botting is a 3rd party program in many cases that alters game play doing the key strokes for ya and so on while youare off doing something else for hours. This, in other words is called CHEATING.

Haters going to Hate
Cheaters are going to cheat
Winners are going to KICK ASS

Botting is a computer controlling and affecting an environment without human presence.

I still believe there should be some method to scan down a cloaked ship.
Granted it should take a very long time for actual cloaky ships and less for say a drake with a cloak but both should be scannable with enough time.

I am talking 20 minutes.

One probe to find a player and put you on the same grid. (random 100 ~ 200km distance from them)
Another probe that can find a player with a slow moving probe that basically explodes and decloaks them.
Wrath of Khan "The thing has to have a tail pipe"
PS - can only use a covert OPS to find the cloaky ship.


IF someone is truly AFK they can be found. if not well the chances would be almost 0.

Tell you what, I think I will make this easier for you, OK?

When you see me (Diablo Ex) cloaked up in your system, start looking at your D-Scan.
If you see combat probes out, I'm not AFK.

No probes= AFK, safe to come out and play.

( Of course I make it a point to always have probes out, they are just 20 AU + above the planetary plane, beyond detection range of your D-scanner, but can be quickly redeployed in seconds to get a "warp-in" on that long undock bookmark you think makes you safe).

Afk cloaking is no more botting than traveling using the in-game autopilot. It requires a person to activate it and will do its thing until you tell it otherwise.

wait!?

there is an ingame autopilot?

way to break the sandbox ccp

To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay. Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence. Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.

AFK Cloaking is the pause button for Eve.

To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.

Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.

no, it's not..cloaking is an action in space. Sitting in an NPC Station can be the "pause button" as you are 100% safe there. You are not 100% safe cloaked regardless of what the nerf-herders tell you.

To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.

Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.

While I don't believe AFK cloaking is botting, I do find it ironic that pvp tough guys post in these threads defending an unkillable ship that cannot be countered? How is that Eve?

I do not know what the afk timer is, but is the issue the length of it? If so that could be changed, and if someone defeated it then that would indeed be botting.

Lastly, wh space is where you probably find more cloaked ships that anywhere, and we don't have any issue with cloaking as it is.

In WH space there is no local, so everything is cloaked as far as knowing at a glance who is in system. Kind of a poor example.

Mr Epeen

That's my point. So it's not the fact that they are cloaked. It's the fact that they are showing up in local, and not on dscan. Thus, remove cloaked ships(pilots) from local

Do you want to know what happened the last time someone was afk in my system? I could do nothing, because no one can tell he's afk. There's no such thing as someone who is AFK.

I get the OP's point, although he could have nuanced it a little better. For this reason I think cloaks should overheat, or otherwise gradually run down, or use some kind of fuel in order to keep running. Doesn't have to be on a short timer, or use a lot of said commodity...

Nobody can seriously argue, unless they do this kind of thing for fun, that it isn't somewhat game breaking.

I could say the same about sitting in Station. There should be a timer, or a parking meter. Maybe if the Station is threatened, the NPC's in Station maintenance will toss you out to appease the fleet that is calling for you to come out.

Personally I don't think that should even be an issue at all. Stations are large structures that even a Nyx Mothership can't take out (though it can damage it). Not to mention they also have those really big guns to shoot aggressors with.

As outlined in my post above yours, afk cloaking isn't really the problem people make it out to be. They just want eve on easy mode and don't want to have to actually work at staying alive. So, rather than.. you know.. actually learning how to counter or work against an afk cloaker, they come here and cry to nerf cloaking devices.

WH dwellers get along fine w/o any local using the tools currently at hand and you can almost always bet there will be SOMEONE in your hole cloaked up watching you. So to those who think an afk cloaker locks up a system... I say. Go live in a wh for 3 months, learn how to live and adapt to that environment, and afk cloakers won't be a problem for you anymore.

~Z

Greetings capsuleer,

New Eden is filled with dangerous people. You have just allowed a capsuleer that is not plugged into his pod to dictate what you do, instead of manning up, picking a ship and heading out to do what you want - consequences be damned.

Are you really that incapable of piloting a ship safely that even a single other, unknown capsuleer will shut you down?

Damn.

Regards,

Shian Yang

The main issue here is that there are no counters for a stealthed ship shutting down an entire system and it is game breaking. In null sec I lost count of how many times everyone was banned from ratting or doing whatever they were doing because some guy was in local stealthed.

A good fix for it would to be to make it so stealthed ships can be scanned down with combat probes

yes make it hard to do, make it a pain to scan them down but make it possible.

I beleive this would silence the cries of frustration because the stealther can still be there, he/she can still shut down a system but they will have to be actively playing so that they can warp around to avoid being scanned down and killed. I see no reason why a stealthed ship cant be scanned down.

While I don't believe AFK cloaking is botting, I do find it ironic that pvp tough guys post in these threads defending an unkillable ship that cannot be countered? How is that Eve?.

That's like saying a ship in warp or in station is unkillable too.

I get the OP's point, although he could have nuanced it a little better. For this reason I think cloaks should overheat, or otherwise gradually run down, or use some kind of fuel in order to keep running. Doesn't have to be on a short timer, or use a lot of said commodity...

Nobody can seriously argue, unless they do this kind of thing for fun, that it isn't somewhat game breaking.

While I don't believe AFK cloaking is botting, I do find it ironic that pvp tough guys post in these threads defending an unkillable ship that cannot be countered? How is that Eve?

I do not know what the afk timer is, but is the issue the length of it? If so that could be changed, and if someone defeated it then that would indeed be botting.

Wormholes are much more risk vs reward though tbh, yes I cant see local in my wormhole and theres a risk that there at any time may be a fleet of cloaky ships ready to strike, but at the same time I can solo a site and get about 100million isk rather quickly.

The main issue here is that there are no counters for a stealthed ship shutting down an entire system and it is game breaking. In null sec I lost count of how many times everyone was banned from ratting or doing whatever they were doing because some guy was in local stealthed.

A good fix for it would to be to make it so stealthed ships can be scanned down with combat probes

yes make it hard to do, make it a pain to scan them down but make it possible.

I beleive this would silence the cries of frustration because the stealther can still be there, he/she can still shut down a system but they will have to be actively playing so that they can warp around to avoid being scanned down and killed. I see no reason why a stealthed ship cant be scanned down.

This whole topic is debatable
Turning up in a cloaky ship in a enemy system and creating havoc and messing up any pve or industrial ops is a valid tactic , however. Waking up in the morning moving a cloaky. Ship into a enemy system and then go to work or school for the rest of the day is in my opinion pretty lame and depends how you look at it even be regarded as a form of botting or even a exploit

I always been in favour for introducing a new gamemechanic that will prevent such a thing
Preferably something skilledbbased that will not actually decloak. But will reveal a sphere where the cloaky ship is inbetter your skill and more time you invest the smaller the detectionsphere will be and will be up to the defenders to figure out a way to dispose of him , a cloaker who is active will be moving around and be almost impossible to detect but a real afk cloaker will eventually be detected and will most likely find himself in a new clone when he comes back home a new kind of probes could do the trick

Since AFK Cloaking is the counter to Local as a perfect Intel tool,

Sure, so long as we get a skill that counters Local as well as your skill counters Cloaking.

Since AFK Cloaking is the counter to Local as a perfect Intel tool,

Sure, so long as we get a skill that counters Local as well as your skill counters Cloaking.

indeed it is IF you are actual check your afk cloaker on regular intervals
If you are at work or school all day it serves no purpose for you or your corporation only that one day they will do the same to you and you will whine qbout it

indeed it is IF you are actual check your afk cloaker on regular intervals
If you are at work or school all day it serves no purpose for you or your corporation only that one day they will do the same to you and you will whine qbout it

I deal with people cloaked in my system on a daily basis. It does not hamper my ability to do anything I want to do. As a matter of fact, it adds some excitement to my day.

Risk & excitement in my EVE? f0ck off with dat shat Bane

This whole topic is debatable
Turning up in a cloaky ship in a enemy system and creating havoc and messing up any pve or industrial ops is a valid tactic , however. Waking up in the morning moving a cloaky. Ship into a enemy system and then go to work or school for the rest of the day is in my opinion pretty lame and depends how you look at it even be regarded as a form of botting or even a exploit

I always been in favour for introducing a new gamemechanic that will prevent such a thing
Preferably something skilledbbased that will not actually decloak. But will reveal a sphere where the cloaky ship is inbetter your skill and more time you invest the smaller the detectionsphere will be and will be up to the defenders to figure out a way to dispose of him , a cloaker who is active will be moving around and be almost impossible to detect but a real afk cloaker will eventually be detected and will most likely find himself in a new clone when he comes back home a new kind of probes could do the trick

To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.

Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.

An afk ship cannot shut down an entire system. They cannot do ANYTHING. If you shut your own system down because of an AFK player then you're an idiot and have only yourself to blame. There is nothing "gamebreaking" about a cloaked AFK player. Know what IS game breaking? Probes that scan out cloaked ships - you claim you see no reason why a cloaked ship can't be scanned out... um, how about the fact that it's a cloaked ship. The entire purpose of them is to avoid detection. Introducing mechanics that undermine multiple ship classes for the sake of crybaby miners is gamebreaking. HTFU or go back to hisec.

Probing out a cloaked ship does not undermine the mechanic.
The entire series of ships you are talking about can do something no other ships in game can do.
That is warp and maintain the cloak, that is the mechanic that should not be broke.

Not the I can sit cloaked in system all day while I play WoT.
Nobody is asking for (well if they are forget it) for existing probes to be able to find cloaked ships in a few minutes.
It is about finding cloaked ships with some effort and time and expense.

And no, fuel for cloaks is out as well cause that goes to far.
The expense should be on the hunter of cloaked ships not the cloaky.

And yes the mechanic is broken cause it should be possible.

Probing out a cloaked ship does not undermine the mechanic.
The entire series of ships you are talking about can do something no other ships in game can do.
That is warp and maintain the cloak, that is the mechanic that should not be broke.

Not the I can sit cloaked in system all day while I play WoT.
Nobody is asking for (well if they are forget it) for existing probes to be able to find cloaked ships in a few minutes.
It is about finding cloaked ships with some effort and time and expense.

And no, fuel for cloaks is out as well cause that goes to far.
The expense should be on the hunter of cloaked ships not the cloaky.

And yes the mechanic is broken cause it should be possible.

I can dig that.

Tech 3 probe launchers maybe?

Cloaking is already penalized because you can't do anything while cloaked. Now people are suggesting to stack more penalties on top of that.

Limited time on cloaking devices? You have to be on bath salts or something.

Here is my suggestion. Everytime you dock up in station, you get a limited amounted of time to stay docked. After a certain while it starts to charge you isk for taking up a docking port. If you don't pay, it spits you out into space.....Yea, that is about as stupid as your cloaking ideas, you damn babies.

if he is in system with you, move to the next system. If he follows you, he isn't afk. If he doesn't, he is afk and can't hurt you. Jesus H. Christ I am smart.

There's just no reasoning with the baby nullbears. I honestly don't know why they even attempt to live in nullsec if they're this scared and risk-averse.

Know what happened the last time someone was afk in my system? Nothing, because he was afk.

There's just no reasoning with the baby nullbears. I honestly don't know why they even attempt to live in nullsec if they're this scared and risk-averse.

To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.

Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.