Greetings capsuleer,

New Eden is filled with dangerous people. You have just allowed a capsuleer that is not plugged into his pod to dictate what you do, instead of manning up, picking a ship and heading out to do what you want - consequences be damned.

Are you really that incapable of piloting a ship safely that even a single other, unknown capsuleer will shut you down?

Damn.

Regards,

Shian Yang

The main issue here is that there are no counters for a stealthed ship shutting down an entire system and it is game breaking. In null sec I lost count of how many times everyone was banned from ratting or doing whatever they were doing because some guy was in local stealthed.

A good fix for it would to be to make it so stealthed ships can be scanned down with combat probes

yes make it hard to do, make it a pain to scan them down but make it possible.

I beleive this would silence the cries of frustration because the stealther can still be there, he/she can still shut down a system but they will have to be actively playing so that they can warp around to avoid being scanned down and killed. I see no reason why a stealthed ship cant be scanned down.

While I don't believe AFK cloaking is botting, I do find it ironic that pvp tough guys post in these threads defending an unkillable ship that cannot be countered? How is that Eve?.

That's like saying a ship in warp or in station is unkillable too.

I get the OP's point, although he could have nuanced it a little better. For this reason I think cloaks should overheat, or otherwise gradually run down, or use some kind of fuel in order to keep running. Doesn't have to be on a short timer, or use a lot of said commodity...

Nobody can seriously argue, unless they do this kind of thing for fun, that it isn't somewhat game breaking.

While I don't believe AFK cloaking is botting, I do find it ironic that pvp tough guys post in these threads defending an unkillable ship that cannot be countered? How is that Eve?

I do not know what the afk timer is, but is the issue the length of it? If so that could be changed, and if someone defeated it then that would indeed be botting.

Wormholes are much more risk vs reward though tbh, yes I cant see local in my wormhole and theres a risk that there at any time may be a fleet of cloaky ships ready to strike, but at the same time I can solo a site and get about 100million isk rather quickly.

The main issue here is that there are no counters for a stealthed ship shutting down an entire system and it is game breaking. In null sec I lost count of how many times everyone was banned from ratting or doing whatever they were doing because some guy was in local stealthed.

A good fix for it would to be to make it so stealthed ships can be scanned down with combat probes

yes make it hard to do, make it a pain to scan them down but make it possible.

I beleive this would silence the cries of frustration because the stealther can still be there, he/she can still shut down a system but they will have to be actively playing so that they can warp around to avoid being scanned down and killed. I see no reason why a stealthed ship cant be scanned down.

This whole topic is debatable
Turning up in a cloaky ship in a enemy system and creating havoc and messing up any pve or industrial ops is a valid tactic , however. Waking up in the morning moving a cloaky. Ship into a enemy system and then go to work or school for the rest of the day is in my opinion pretty lame and depends how you look at it even be regarded as a form of botting or even a exploit

I always been in favour for introducing a new gamemechanic that will prevent such a thing
Preferably something skilledbbased that will not actually decloak. But will reveal a sphere where the cloaky ship is inbetter your skill and more time you invest the smaller the detectionsphere will be and will be up to the defenders to figure out a way to dispose of him , a cloaker who is active will be moving around and be almost impossible to detect but a real afk cloaker will eventually be detected and will most likely find himself in a new clone when he comes back home a new kind of probes could do the trick

Since AFK Cloaking is the counter to Local as a perfect Intel tool,

Sure, so long as we get a skill that counters Local as well as your skill counters Cloaking.

Since AFK Cloaking is the counter to Local as a perfect Intel tool,

Sure, so long as we get a skill that counters Local as well as your skill counters Cloaking.

indeed it is IF you are actual check your afk cloaker on regular intervals
If you are at work or school all day it serves no purpose for you or your corporation only that one day they will do the same to you and you will whine qbout it

indeed it is IF you are actual check your afk cloaker on regular intervals
If you are at work or school all day it serves no purpose for you or your corporation only that one day they will do the same to you and you will whine qbout it

I deal with people cloaked in my system on a daily basis. It does not hamper my ability to do anything I want to do. As a matter of fact, it adds some excitement to my day.

Risk & excitement in my EVE? f0ck off with dat shat Bane

This whole topic is debatable
Turning up in a cloaky ship in a enemy system and creating havoc and messing up any pve or industrial ops is a valid tactic , however. Waking up in the morning moving a cloaky. Ship into a enemy system and then go to work or school for the rest of the day is in my opinion pretty lame and depends how you look at it even be regarded as a form of botting or even a exploit

I always been in favour for introducing a new gamemechanic that will prevent such a thing
Preferably something skilledbbased that will not actually decloak. But will reveal a sphere where the cloaky ship is inbetter your skill and more time you invest the smaller the detectionsphere will be and will be up to the defenders to figure out a way to dispose of him , a cloaker who is active will be moving around and be almost impossible to detect but a real afk cloaker will eventually be detected and will most likely find himself in a new clone when he comes back home a new kind of probes could do the trick

To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.

Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.

An afk ship cannot shut down an entire system. They cannot do ANYTHING. If you shut your own system down because of an AFK player then you're an idiot and have only yourself to blame. There is nothing "gamebreaking" about a cloaked AFK player. Know what IS game breaking? Probes that scan out cloaked ships - you claim you see no reason why a cloaked ship can't be scanned out... um, how about the fact that it's a cloaked ship. The entire purpose of them is to avoid detection. Introducing mechanics that undermine multiple ship classes for the sake of crybaby miners is gamebreaking. HTFU or go back to hisec.

Probing out a cloaked ship does not undermine the mechanic.
The entire series of ships you are talking about can do something no other ships in game can do.
That is warp and maintain the cloak, that is the mechanic that should not be broke.

Not the I can sit cloaked in system all day while I play WoT.
Nobody is asking for (well if they are forget it) for existing probes to be able to find cloaked ships in a few minutes.
It is about finding cloaked ships with some effort and time and expense.

And no, fuel for cloaks is out as well cause that goes to far.
The expense should be on the hunter of cloaked ships not the cloaky.

And yes the mechanic is broken cause it should be possible.

Probing out a cloaked ship does not undermine the mechanic.
The entire series of ships you are talking about can do something no other ships in game can do.
That is warp and maintain the cloak, that is the mechanic that should not be broke.

Not the I can sit cloaked in system all day while I play WoT.
Nobody is asking for (well if they are forget it) for existing probes to be able to find cloaked ships in a few minutes.
It is about finding cloaked ships with some effort and time and expense.

And no, fuel for cloaks is out as well cause that goes to far.
The expense should be on the hunter of cloaked ships not the cloaky.

And yes the mechanic is broken cause it should be possible.

I can dig that.

Tech 3 probe launchers maybe?

Cloaking is already penalized because you can't do anything while cloaked. Now people are suggesting to stack more penalties on top of that.

Limited time on cloaking devices? You have to be on bath salts or something.

Here is my suggestion. Everytime you dock up in station, you get a limited amounted of time to stay docked. After a certain while it starts to charge you isk for taking up a docking port. If you don't pay, it spits you out into space.....Yea, that is about as stupid as your cloaking ideas, you damn babies.

if he is in system with you, move to the next system. If he follows you, he isn't afk. If he doesn't, he is afk and can't hurt you. Jesus H. Christ I am smart.

There's just no reasoning with the baby nullbears. I honestly don't know why they even attempt to live in nullsec if they're this scared and risk-averse.

Know what happened the last time someone was afk in my system? Nothing, because he was afk.

There's just no reasoning with the baby nullbears. I honestly don't know why they even attempt to live in nullsec if they're this scared and risk-averse.