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SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2010.02.04 23:05:00 - [1] Originally by: "Jaqu" like I repetedly said, its not my fault CCP wrote a gamecode that effectivly gets you warned, or if repeted, banned, for swearing. Its not my fault man. But im gonna use it to my advantage nonetheless This quote, taken from a friend of mine a few minutes prior, is indicative of why rules on language need to be looked at. TL;DWrite Rules are abuseable: player A kills player B; player B is in a famous EVE 'low' and swears at player A; player A petitions player B; player B receives warning from a GM, or a ban if warned several times before. Do I even need to say how **ed up this is? Why do we need this rule in a game rated T (teenagers swear more often than any other age group!)? Doesn't this conflict with EVE's main selling point; being a "cold, harsh universe"? Discuss, support. We need to stop this, using CCP as your own private army to make someone else miserable is lame as **. --------------- 10/10: Where is your God now?
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2010.02.04 23:08:00 - [2] Edited by: SupaKudoRio on 04/02/2010 23:08:42 -post. --------------- 10/10: Where is your God now?
Bagehi Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.02.04 23:50:00 - [3] Really easy to not get banned for swearing. If you don't swear in chat (or threaten bodily damage - as has been another famous way to get banned), you don't get banned. Simple. Fix Local
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2010.02.05 01:09:00 - [4] Welcome to the part where self-control and personal responsibility become important. It's not like you didn't have to actually type the words in and hit enter. Swear all you like outloud - yell and scream if that's what floats your boat. But you'll have a hard time convincing CCP to change their stance and lose that teen rating, since that will severely limit where they can sell those nice boxed editions of the game. --Vel Forum Mom: Spanking the snot out of little brats.
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2010.02.05 01:33:00 - [5] CCP have absolved themselves from responsibility with the warning that states online interactions are unmoderated. CCP themselves said ** many times at the fanfest keynote address, not to mention the HTFU theme song. So ing what if I have a poor of a ing vocab. Get the ** over it. Any ban from CCP based on language is completely hypocritical when compared to the culture that has been fostered and the freedom that has been given to players.
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2010.02.05 01:46:00 - [6] Edited by: SupaKudoRio on 05/02/2010 01:46:43 "Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB" Indeed, EVE will instantly lose the T rating when the rule is loosened on something that isn't rated in the first place. I am not proposing the rule is removed entirely; changing the particular line to: "You may encounter and converse with people who are rude, offensive, belligerent, and who may use indecent, obscene, and/or threatening or harassing language while playing the Game. You may report any extreme instances of such behavior to CCP." Would be enough to stop blatant abuse of the system for the sole purpose of getting someone in trouble for utterly meaningless infractions of a rule that very few people adhere to in the first place; a large portion of the subscriber base - in particular victims to corp theft, scams, and such - swear in game, is it right that I could petition every instance of swearing of these people, causing even further backlogs in the petition queue, and having them unfairly warned or banned? (blue-face'd; gasps) --------------- 10/10: Where is your God now?
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2010.02.05 03:32:00 - [7] Originally by: SupaKudoRio Would be enough to stop blatant abuse of the system... You have far more faith in the good nature of humanity than I do, obviously. --Vel Forum Mom: Spanking the snot out of little brats.
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2010.02.05 04:44:00 - [8] Originally by: De'Veldrin You have far more faith in the good nature of GMs than I do, obviously. Fixed that for you. But no, not particularly; if I did, this thread wouldn't exist. --------------- 10/10: Where is your God now?
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2010.02.05 06:52:00 - [9] heh a matar just lost a FW fight. So now the Amarr that killed him has to wait 2 days without any skill training while his frivolous petition is dealt with. Victory through petition? geeeeez this is stupid.
GIGAR Domini Umbrus	Posted - 2010.02.05 07:09:00 - [10] I do agree that this is stupid. If anything, CCP should make a toggle-able "profanity" filter, like seen in most other MMOs. Most people I've played Eve with don't seem to give a flying rat about whether you swear a little (although I realize that there's probably some people who gets scared and go hides under their bed when they hear hear anything worse than "Guys, that was the most poor performance I've ever seen!") -------------------------- 2 Years later, mining continues to be the most overlooked game mechanic in Eve

Flying ZombieJesus	Posted - 2010.02.05 13:28:00 - [11] that ** is ing **ed and needs to go the away right **ing now
Ebeneser Scrooj	Posted - 2010.02.06 04:02:00 - [12] Not supported. Just FYI: If you've ever been petitioned in/around Rens for foul language in Local chat, you're welcome.....and thank you. I enjoy pressing the petition button and reporting you.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2010.02.06 08:46:00 - [13] My favourite topic of all time Children swear a lot, adults much less .. what changes? Answer: Society. Children live a protected existence, sequestered from the "real" world with very little obligations, commitments or accountability. Children swearing ultimately comes down to poor parenting. With no limitations or rules they invariably turn into obnoxious punks. When adulthood hits, they are a lot worse off than those who were eased into the rules governing society as a whole. Eve is CCP baby, and as any responsible parent they have chosen to set down some ground-rules which just happen to include treating each other with a modi****of respect and decency. If you are unable to communicate using a proper tone, then think of Eve as school. You'll thank CCP when you find out that the job interviews, loan-applications and so forth go a lot smoother.
Maxsim Goratiev Imperial Tau Syndicate	Posted - 2010.02.06 12:04:00 - [14] I did not even know this exists.. this is stupid. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG
GIGAR Caldari Domini Umbrus	Posted - 2010.02.06 12:15:00 - [15] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida My favourite topic of all time Children swear a lot, adults much less .. what changes? Answer: Society. Children live a protected existence, sequestered from the "real" world with very little obligations, commitments or accountability. Children swearing ultimately comes down to poor parenting. With no limitations or rules they invariably turn into obnoxious punks. When adulthood hits, they are a lot worse off than those who were eased into the rules governing society as a whole. Eve is CCP baby, and as any responsible parent they have chosen to set down some ground-rules which just happen to include treating each other with a modi****of respect and decency. If you are unable to communicate using a proper tone, then think of Eve as school. You'll thank CCP when you find out that the job interviews, loan-applications and so forth go a lot smoother. I would say that there is a significant difference between, say, getting wtfpwned in Eve, and being slightly annoyed, and then going to a job interview. Most people don't swear for every 3. word when they are "chilled". So if you hit your finger with a hammer, you say "Gosh, mylord, my thummy sure hurts now."? Manners should be subject to the area, and people you are working with, and not regulated by some outside source. I thought independence from the devs was what Eve was all about? -------------------------- 2 Years later, mining continues to be the most overlooked game mechanic in Eve
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Looney Toons.	Posted - 2010.02.06 15:24:00 - [16] To the people who are supporting this topic: STFU. Seriously.... There is a reason I enforce a no smack talk rule in my corporation.. its because peoples big mouths tend to get the better of them. The solution is to really STFU. So don't say anything at all. (mild attempt at humor) Not supporting. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2010.02.06 16:28:00 - [17] Originally by: GIGAR So if you hit your finger with a hammer, you say "Gosh, mylord, my thummy sure hurts now."? There is a huge difference between the real-life death threats and derogatory language I see in local on a daily basis and an outburst. Either way, what is said/muttered privately and what is typed in public are not even the same ball-park. I sincerely doubt anyone will petition a "DAMMIT!" outburst or that a GM will do anything other than smirk. Originally by: GIGAR Manners should be subject to the area, and people you are working with, and not regulated by some outside source. I thought independence from the devs was what Eve was all about? I think it is safe to say that the Eve player base has failed miserably at policing itself. Even with Dev/GM interference most threads sounds like something my 7 year old nephew says when he doesn't get his way. Watch some interviews of Jane/John Doe on the news, while language should be subject to area it most often is not .. once a person gets used to speaking/thinking/acting in a certain way they WILL fall back on it when they meet resistance, few people have the willpower to fight this natural response. PS: If you are able to remain "chilled" at a job interview you either don't really want the job or you are on drugs .. interviews and exams are the most stressful situations modern man faces. There exists an entire industry whose sole purpose is helping people cope with them.
Brother Kasimir	Posted - 2010.02.06 16:41:00 - [18] I personally report any foul or abusive language I see in public chat channels. And I'm a big fan of CCP's decision to keep in-game language moderate. If I see over use of such language in private chat channels I will ask the offending person to tone it down or, if I'm a guest, I'll just close the channel. Use of vulgar / obscene language creates an environment that alot of people don't want to be in. Considering that there's absolutely no reason whatsoever to use that sort of language makes it a no brainer that it should be against the rules. If vulgar / obscene language were allowed then instances of abuse and harrassment would become more common. You could argue that one doesn't necessarily lead to another but even my 7 year old has enough common sense to see the correlation.
Flying ZombieJesus	Posted - 2010.02.06 16:44:00 - [19] People in this game need to grow the ** up. You're reporting someone for swearing? Really? The response from CCP should be "What are you, some ing *** or something? Get a spine"
Brother Kasimir	Posted - 2010.02.06 16:46:00 - [20] Yes, I have reported people for swearing. It's against the rules. See how that works?

FU22 Space Perverts Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.06 18:56:00 - [21] Edited by: FU22 on 06/02/2010 18:58:02 Import a swear filter ingame that you can switch on and off at your choosing. Those who don't care about swearing can see it and the delicate flowers can get them filtered, problem solved. edit for more on topic-ness: And by importing this if you have it switched off and try and abuse the use of GMs they can simply come along and say "Well you have the filter turned off so you obviously aren't bothered by swearing" And those with it turned on can't even see the swear words. Originally by: Millie Clode Dear santa, for christmas I would like an endless supply of noobs to march across my screen so I can pretend I'm playing duck hunt
Jonah Pod Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.06 19:52:00 - [22] Can't support this. CCP shall expressively encourage people unable to deal with their emotions in an appropriate way? No.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.02.07 05:03:00 - [23] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida My favourite topic of all time Children swear a lot, adults much less .. what changes? Answer: Society. Children live a protected existence, sequestered from the "real" world with very little obligations, commitments or accountability. Children swearing ultimately comes down to poor parenting. With no limitations or rules they invariably turn into obnoxious punks. When adulthood hits, they are a lot worse off than those who were eased into the rules governing society as a whole. Eve is CCP baby, and as any responsible parent they have chosen to set down some ground-rules which just happen to include treating each other with a modi****of respect and decency. If you are unable to communicate using a proper tone, then think of Eve as school. You'll thank CCP when you find out that the job interviews, loan-applications and so forth go a lot smoother. Children swear more than adults? I don't know what kind of children and adults you know, but that is not my experience at all. Seriously though, this isn't a problem. The rule is in place for extreme cases, but most people aren't so anal-retentive that they report the occasional bit of foul language. We're mostly grownups here, we can handle a few naughty words, and if you're stupid enough to treat local like a rap music sing-along where it might offend random people, well, you probably deserve a petition.
Laechyd Eldgorn Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2010.02.12 14:58:00 - [24] Edited by: Laechyd Eldgorn on 12/02/2010 14:59:29 Teen rating belongs to hello kitty online or something. If someone is bothered about MY CHARACTER being rude towards them they can pretty much go stick their tongue in dark places. Or just push block button.
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.02.12 15:03:00 - [25] If anything ppl should get banned FASTER for swearing and smack talk . There's enough filth on the internet as it is and though I enjoy part of that filth (and even add to it) I don't think it needs to be part of EVE.
Ben Derindar Dirty Deeds Corp.	Posted - 2010.02.13 09:08:00 - [26] It is interesting that the forums and the game operate under different rules when it comes to profanity (I found this out when petitioning a word used on a station name that the forums censor, yet the station name was allowed to remain). I'd support a thread that proposes policies between the two be made more consistent, but relaxing them at all? Certainly not. You don't like it? Don't swear. Your lack of self-control is your own problem. /Ben
Serpents smile	Posted - 2010.02.13 11:28:00 - [27] NOT supported. Grow up, it's all in your own hands, etc. etc.
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2010.02.16 00:43:00 - [28] **** you all if you want to impose your twisted sense of morality on me. If you want to demonstrate your self-control and superior breeding then go for it. Personally...... I don't like being told what I can and can't say. Individual words no matter how vulgar do not hold this power. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ISil7IHzxc
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2010.02.16 03:45:00 - [29] I just got gagged for using the same words CCP use in their keynote fanfest address. I was simply using language used by CCP staff as that was the community standard I have been shown by CCP.
BunnyBuzzBunny	Posted - 2010.02.16 17:02:00 - [30] Edited by: BunnyBuzzBunny on 16/02/2010 17:02:34 I got gagged for saying the words ***** and balls from GM Zerat while a buddy of his used the F-word over and over in the same chat and never got gagged. Figure that one out. It was the same conversation and he said/did nothing to the other guy.



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