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Groot T
Reaper Industries
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.02.08 21:43:00 -
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So, let me outline what I'm going on about here.
Motherships have had a name change to Super-carriers. This implies that they are burlier versions of their carrier counterparts.
Amarr, Archon - Aeon
Gallente, Thanatos - Nyx
Caldari, Chimera - Wyvern
All of these are completely linear, allow me to elaborate.
Amarr
5.6x more shield, 8.0x more armor, 4.2(ish)x more Hull HP (RAW)
Armor Resist bonus is consistent in the range.
One additional slow to main tanking ability from carrier to super-
carrier(lows)
i.e. Bonus to tanking HP & slot formation for that tank.
Gallente
5.4x more shield, 8.4x more raw armor, 4x more Hull HP (RAW).
DPS Bonus is consistant
One additional slot to main tanking ability from carrier to super-carrier(Lows)
i.e. Bonus to tanking HP & slot formation for that tank.
Caldari
8x more shield, 5.9x more raw armor, 4.4x more Hull HP (RAW).
Shield resist bonus is consistent throughout the range.
One additional slot to main tanking ability from carrier to super-carrier (mids)
i.e. Bonus to tanking HP & slot formation for that tank.
Now, lets look at minmatar.
Nidhoggur to Hel, entirely inconstant re: the trends above.
8.8x more shield, 5.3x more raw armor, 4.4x more Hull HP (RAW).
One LESS slot to main tanking ability from carrier to super-carrier (lows)
i.e. No such tanking HP bonus and a REDUCTION in slot-configuration for its tanking ability.
As such I state that there is an abnormality here and this needs to be addressed. The abnormalities here are;
Slot configuration
HP Bonus' through out the range.
I propose the slot configuration be changed to;
6 Highs
5 Mids
7 Lows
And the HP amounds to be;
5.2x Niddy shield, giving the Hel 585,500 raw Shield HP
8.2x Niddy armor, giving the Hel 992,500 raw Armor HP
4.1x Niddy Hull, giving the Hel 461,250 Raw Hull HP
tl;dr
The minnie range of carriers & super-carriers does not follow the trand of the other three races. As such it needs balancing.
Thanks for your time & support.
Groot
Carpe Diem |
Jakkin
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Posted - 2010.02.08 21:45:00 -
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Agreed & supported.
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Omega Will
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Posted - 2010.02.08 21:46:00 -
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Yes I completely agree the Hel needs adjusting to be in-keeping with the other carrier to super-carrier range.
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The Nova
Total Mayhem.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.02.08 21:49:00 -
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Indeed, Hel is far behind the other super carriers. Sort its HP/slots.
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Jins Dragon
T-Wrecks
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Posted - 2010.02.08 21:54:00 -
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Agreed, fully support Groot T's proposal.
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Entropy Zero
T-Wrecks
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Posted - 2010.02.08 21:55:00 -
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Couldn't agree more.
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Sleep Deprivation
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Posted - 2010.02.08 21:58:00 -
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Finally someone proposed it.
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Regina Scintilla
Price of Progress
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.02.08 22:03:00 -
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Edited by: Regina Scintilla on 08/02/2010 22:02:52
The Hel is too vulnerable to multiple doomsdays. A nicely fit armor Hel will only have around 33% of the effective HP of an Aeon. This needs changing.
Edit - supported.
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Mr Bright
Shade.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.02.08 22:14:00 -
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Ya, CCP would have to give a very good reason NOT to buff it :( WTB Better hel's!
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malet
Quam Singulari
Session Changes
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Posted - 2010.02.08 22:14:00 -
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Edited by: malet on 08/02/2010 22:20:08
Fully support this
The Hel needs a serious revamp to bring it into line
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pshepherd
Quam Singulari
Session Changes
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Posted - 2010.02.08 22:18:00 -
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Give the flying Flying Roof some lovin!
full support here =) |
T'Karr
Quam Singulari
Session Changes
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Posted - 2010.02.08 22:24:00 -
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-signed-
<3 Niddy & Hel 4eva
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.02.08 22:25:00 -
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What do you expect from a giant rust bucket? That said, OP is correct in that the Hel does not follow the same trend as other super carriers.
However, considering the Hel has the second most shields and the second least armor, it should logically be shield tanked. Unless of course we are broaching the topic of capital shield tanks not being on par with capital armor tanks again.
Fix Local |
Oghma Grianainech
Faction Fighters INC
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Posted - 2010.02.08 22:26:00 -
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crusader king
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Posted - 2010.02.08 22:28:00 -
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The need to sort this ship out has been going on for sometime. Personally, I taken the time to train up for triage, seeing as this ship will be responsible for helping to keep other moms/carriers alive with what is effectively half a tank. This lack of tank effectively makes the Hel an expensive was of time. This thread really need to be taken notice of and something finally done.
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Gaiden R
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2010.02.08 22:28:00 -
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i agree
Happy Days |
lady manman
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Posted - 2010.02.08 22:29:00 -
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Agreed
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sheree g
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Posted - 2010.02.08 22:32:00 -
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Agreed
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NoMercy uk
The Aduro Protocol
HellFleet
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Posted - 2010.02.08 22:32:00 -
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agree & supported
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Teschan
Dark Destiny Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.08 22:33:00 -
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Agreed.
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VinceNoir
Shade.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.02.08 22:38:00 -
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I have a feeling that CCP will not be willing to switch the Hel to an armor buffer layout, but it would be nice. At the very least could you give the ship a worthwhile bonus?
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Hacra
Minmatar
Cosmodynamics
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Posted - 2010.02.08 22:40:00 -
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Agreed and supported.
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tikki
T-Wrecks
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Posted - 2010.02.08 22:40:00 -
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Get's my vote
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stylo11
Quam Singulari
Session Changes
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Posted - 2010.02.08 22:44:00 -
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The point here is clear as day. The Hel, compared to others has an imbalance that really needs to be balanced, as per the trend of others.
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Vader Crane
Reaper Industries
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.02.08 22:46:00 -
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Supported. Down with minmatar hate! :)
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Nikita Takeaway
T-Wrecks
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Posted - 2010.02.08 22:55:00 -
[26]
Agreed and supported :)
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Jack Sparroxx
Reaper Industries
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.02.08 23:02:00 -
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more love to the slaves 
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.02.08 23:12:00 -
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Agreed. There's no reason Minmatar need to be as disfunctional as they are right now.
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Larkonis TrassIer
Trolls From Outer Space
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Posted - 2010.02.09 00:29:00 -
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The Hel seems to have been overlooked when the slot layout of the Nid was changed some years ago from 5/6/5 to 5/5/6 meaning those Nid pilots looking to upgrade have to train shield skills (although any Minmatar pilot at that level who doesn't have them already should probably end his life).
Either give the Hel more shield HP (and possibly revert the Nid to its original slot layout to give Minmatar a full line up of caps geared towards shield tanking) or do as the OP suggested.
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Lord Elminster
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2010.02.09 00:53:00 -
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Agreed. 
"Every living creature will taste the feeling of death" |
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