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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.02.09 11:37:00 -
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just found this out
the relevant part from the link:
Originally by: link
Physically Simulated Clothing in Eve Incarna Using NVIDIA APEX Speaker: Vigfus Omarsson (Lead Technical Artist, CCP), Snorri Sturluson (Senior Software Engineer, CCP), Monier Maher (APEX Product Manager, NVIDIA) Date/Time: Thursday (March 11, 2010) 1:30pm ù 2:30pm Track: Visual Arts Experience Level: All In this session, we will demonstrate how CCP added physically simulated clothing to their Eve Incarna characters using NVIDIA's APEX Clothing. We will demonstrate, step by step, the full authoring pipeline, from DCC tools to final integration into the game engine. This session introduces the full NVIDIA APEX suite of artist friendly tools and runtime libraries (Clothing, Destruction, Particles, Turbulence & Vegetation), which significantly speed up creation and inclusion of scalable, dynamic content without a large engineering effort.
didn't think much of it but then I was browsing some other site which said Nvidia is offering a new physics engine for which you will require an Nvidia card, and it hit me that this might be it.
probably just a false alarm, but can anyone with more knowledge on the matter enlighten us?
off topic: can we get a stream of that presentation? or at least a video?
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2010.02.09 11:46:00 -
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I don't have more knowledge on the subject, but do you REALLY think that CCP would, in one patch, make it so any person with an ATI/Older nVidia card couldn't play eve?
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Julius Rigel
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Posted - 2010.02.09 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Cors I don't have more knowledge on the subject, but do you REALLY think that CCP would, in one patch, make it so any person with an ATI/Older nVidia card couldn't play eve?
Yeah, sure, they've already done that with the classic drop, the linux drop, various graphics engine updates that made the game virtually unplayable on older graphics cards... I wouldn't put it past them to do this as well.
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2010.02.09 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Julius Rigel they've already done that with the classic drop, the linux drop,
Common now, people only use Linux because they are being difficult "TAKE THAT MICRO$OFT!" and the classic client dated back to the 90's.
Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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Mashie Saldana
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.09 11:58:00 -
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Just think how it works with PhysX enabled games right now, if you don't have an nVidia card you simply don't get the extra effects.
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.02.09 12:01:00 -
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It's probably just a talk on how they used a particular API to get improved acceleration for this.
Still, nice find - it shows (in my mind anyway) that Incarna is actually being worked on and isn't vapourware :)
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Kolatha
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Posted - 2010.02.09 12:02:00 -
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Judging by the info on the APEX Clothing found here if you don't have a GPU that supports the APEX Simulation it will resort to using your CPU to do the job.
- Cross-platform support (PC, PC+GPU, PS3, Xbox360, and Wii)
This will result in a performance hit for PCs with ATI cards but you will get the same effects.
The HeroEngine uses this technology.
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.02.09 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kolatha Judging by the info on the APEX Clothing found here if you don't have a GPU that supports the APEX Simulation it will resort to using your CPU to do the job.
- Cross-platform support (PC, PC+GPU, PS3, Xbox360, and Wii)
This will result in a performance hit for PCs with ATI cards but you will get the same effects.
The HeroEngine uses this technology.
cool thanks!
hope its not to much of a performance hit so I can still use my ati card. but seeing how incarna is already graphically pretty intense my ati might not be able to handle it
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TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari United Systems Navy Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2010.02.09 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kolatha Judging by the info on the APEX Clothing found here if you don't have a GPU that supports the APEX Simulation it will resort to using your CPU to do the job.
- Cross-platform support (PC, PC+GPU, PS3, Xbox360, and Wii)
This will result in a performance hit for PCs with ATI cards but you will get the same effects.
The HeroEngine uses this technology.
Great time to multithread the graphics engine then. And while your there native AA and AF without me having to **** about with forcing it through drivers.
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syphurous
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.02.09 13:00:00 -
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Incarna is optional, if your PC cant run it, you don't get to play it. :P
Simple. Discussion over. Thanks. Most people will read this thinking it's part of my post, when its actually my sig :P
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.02.09 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: syphurous Incarna is optional, if your PC cant run it, you don't get to play it. :P
Simple. Discussion over. Thanks.
CCP abandoned the idea of incarna being completely optional. there are things that you will now only be able to do in incarna
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Ivy Scorn
Amarr Nethro Ore Conglomerate
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Posted - 2010.02.09 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Haraldhardrade Common now, people only use Linux because they are being difficult "TAKE THAT MICRO$OFT!" and the classic client dated back to the 90's.
Don't be stupid. There are lots of good reaons for using Linux, i.e. you're studying information technology and the university courses are all based on *nix. Or maybe you just want or need a system that you can actually control. That said, I prefer Windows for games, too and don't even have a Linux partition at the moment.
Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador will you need an Nvidia card for incarna?
I wouldn't worry to much about that. CCP will probably find a way to delay Incarna until all matter in this universe has decayed.
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Nye Jaran
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Posted - 2010.02.09 14:09:00 -
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Really dumb question: WTF is Incarna? Is that the project name for walking in stations?
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Awesome Possum
Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2010.02.09 14:10:00 -
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1. people whine and moan about needing shader model 2.0 to play EVE.
2. shader model 2.0 is OLDER THAN EVE
3. update your effin graphics cards you lazy cheap bastards.
4. there is no 4.
5. "wah i have a 30yr old 500lb laptop, i can't afford a new one."
6. unsub for a few months and build a cheap computer that is more than capable of running eve
7. i really couldn't think of a 7 either
8. i like that ccp supports such old ass graphics cards, i really do. but when they finally update, whining about it is just ******ed.
9. WIS is a useless feature, CCP, delete it and move on. this is internet spaceships, not internet goldshire inn in space (any nonWOW players not understanding the reference... think furries cybering in dark corners)
10. i wish you could meet my girlfriend, my girlfriend who lives in Canada ♥
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XXSketchxx
Gallente Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.09 14:15:00 -
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incarna is nothing more than a clever marketing scheme
speaking as though it might actually be implemented is just silly _____________________________________________
-Sketch, Certified Pharmacist
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Jennifer Rizea
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Posted - 2010.02.09 14:15:00 -
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I've always wanted to walk around in my ship much more than a stuffy station.
Meh.
~Jen
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Awesome Possum
Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2010.02.09 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Rizea I've always wanted to walk around in my ship much more than a stuffy station.
Meh.
~Jen
Now this would be cool.
Especially if it was strictly PVE missions type deal... oh noz piwats haz invaydid ur spayzsheeps! run around your ship clearing 'em out!
or better yet, alliance meeting on your buddy's nyx (ohwaitcantdocklol), or a peace conference/contract negotiations on chribba's veldnaught. (isaidhisnameherehecomes)
♥
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.09 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum WIS is a useless feature, CCP, delete it and move on. this is internet spaceships, not internet goldshire inn in space
Have a look through the fanfest presentations from '09 (and earlier ones too, but it was far more apparent this autumn), and you'll notice something: no, this is not internet spaceships. This is the capsuleer part of New Eden, and what CCP is doing is building New Eden, not EVE.
Hence Dust 514. Hence the name for the common-dataset interface (New Eden, natch). Hence planetary interactions. Hence Incarna. Hence just about anything they've ever mentioned, apart from WoD. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Jennifer Rizea
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Posted - 2010.02.09 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum or better yet, alliance meeting on your buddy's nyx (ohwaitcantdocklol)
Who says they can't dock?
~Jen
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2010.02.09 14:30:00 -
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I use AMD and ATI cause Intel« and nVidia« are evil.
But I would swap to using nVidia« if CCP were to start using nVidia« PhysX« technology. So that a Shuttle gets crumpled when it tries to ram a Dreadnaught.
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Awesome Possum
Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2010.02.09 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Rizea
Originally by: Awesome Possum or better yet, alliance meeting on your buddy's nyx (ohwaitcantdocklol)
Who says they can't dock?
~Jen
god that joke NEVER gets old ♥
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Esu Nahalas
The Night Corporation
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Posted - 2010.02.09 14:55:00 -
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Will you need a NVidia video card for Incarna?
I think it's more likely that you'll need Incarna for your NVidia card.
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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.02.09 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Julius Rigel the linux drop
*cough*
CCP dropped Linux support because WINE was supporting EVE Online better than CCP was supporting Linux. No sense wasting money on doing an inadequate job when someone else is doing a better job free of charge. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Magnus Nordir
Caldari Nordir Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.09 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Haraldhardrade Common now, people only use Linux because they are being difficult "TAKE THAT MICRO$OFT!"
For what it's worth, Eve is still perfectly playable on most GNU/Linux software distributions through wine. And I'm not being "difficult", I'd very much like to switch to another, "easier" operating system. Can you name another one that's Free (as in Freedom), doesn't infringe on your privacy and Software Freedoms, and plays Eve at least as reliably as GNU/Linux? No? Thought so. --------------------------- Only those who surrender are lost |
Zofran
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Posted - 2010.02.09 16:28:00 -
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Yay more vendor tie in's, marketing money and 'technology partners', just what the consumer always wanted... oh wait.
The amount of 3rd party components going into this "Incarna" crap is quite amazing, I'm sure in the future you will be very happy with all that well spent cashahahah wait hahahaa
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.02.09 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kolatha Judging by the info on the APEX Clothing found here if you don't have a GPU that supports the APEX Simulation it will resort to using your CPU to do the job.
- Cross-platform support (PC, PC+GPU, PS3, Xbox360, and Wii)
This will result in a performance hit for PCs with ATI cards but you will get the same effects.
The HeroEngine uses this technology.
wow, I read a little about that engine, did you see what it can do? why not just use that for incarna?
I guess the thing must cost a fortune, quite amazing though...
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syphurous
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.02.10 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador CCP abandoned the idea of incarna being completely optional. there are things that you will now only be able to do in incarna
100% Optional. You don't have to get out and walk around, you will miss out on content sure. But still 100% Optional. Just like mining, you don't have to mine to make any isk in Eve, but you can. Most people will read this thinking it's part of my post, when its actually my sig :P
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Julius Rigel
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Posted - 2010.02.10 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: Haraldhardrade
Originally by: Julius Rigel they've already done that with the classic drop, the linux drop,
Common now, people only use Linux because they are being difficult "TAKE THAT MICRO$OFT!" and the classic client dated back to the 90's.
What's that even supposed to mean, calling me difficult? I suppose you're going to call me pretentious for taking the bus instead of owning a car too? Or laugh at me for cooking dinner instead of microwaving a pop tart?
It makes no sense.
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.02.10 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: syphurous
Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador CCP abandoned the idea of incarna being completely optional. there are things that you will now only be able to do in incarna
100% Optional. You don't have to get out and walk around, you will miss out on content sure. But still 100% Optional. Just like mining, you don't have to mine to make any isk in Eve, but you can.
ok yeah, but it used to be that it was all fluff, where now there will be underground missions and stuff.
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Ivy Scorn
Amarr Nethro Ore Conglomerate
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Posted - 2010.02.10 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum this is internet spaceships, not internet goldshire inn in space
Actually, this was always intended to be a universe in a bottle. Not spaceships in a bottle. It was just impossible to implement everything at once. Should read the eary dev chats...
Also: For a lot of people this is excel in space. I bet there a some active players who haven't left their Caldari Navy Assembly Plant for the last couple of years...
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Dr Karsun
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.10 10:13:00 -
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Surely not.
Improving game graphics is one thing, making older cards slowly obsolete and practically unplayable on them.
But statistically, at least around here, more than half graphic cards sold are radeon based on AMD. I also have got a radeon, hd 4850, which works really, really fine for me. CCP would probably lose half of their customer base if they suddenly said that eve does not support radeon at all.
On the other hand - we just won't have some cool effects that will be visible. I think I'll live with that. Huge fleet battles require to shut down all effects any way...
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Souma12
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Posted - 2010.02.10 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Nordir
Originally by: Haraldhardrade Common now, people only use Linux because they are being difficult "TAKE THAT MICRO$OFT!"
For what it's worth, Eve is still perfectly playable on most GNU/Linux software distributions through wine. And I'm not being "difficult", I'd very much like to switch to another, "easier" operating system. Can you name another one that's Free (as in Freedom), doesn't infringe on your privacy and Software Freedoms, and plays Eve at least as reliably as GNU/Linux? No? Thought so.
oh noes! i has windowze! so billgates know bout my furry hentai??? omgz!...
because u know... we all play eve in our critical data pcs....
on topic nao..
nvidia has been full of **** for a while... that session is prolly just a simulation runned with wood screws on its backplate...
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mechtech
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2010.02.10 11:01:00 -
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Edited by: mechtech on 10/02/2010 11:02:02 APEX uses PhysX, so I doubt you will see ATI cards accelerating it. Unfortunately it's probably going to be CPU accelerated or Nvidia GPU accelerated.
Of course there is no technical reason ATI can't accelerate PhysX, but Nvidia owns it and it's a good product so we'll have to deal with it.
The ideal solution would be to use newer Havok Tech which now supports openCL (which works on newer and future Nvidia and ATI cards and is based on an open standard), but Havok was CPU only (owned by Intel) until they literally had to implement some kind of GPU support.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.02.10 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Julius Rigel
Originally by: Haraldhardrade
Originally by: Julius Rigel
Originally by: Cors I don't have more knowledge on the subject, but do you REALLY think that CCP would, in one patch, make it so any person with an ATI/Older nVidia card couldn't play eve?
Yeah, sure, they've already done that with the classic drop, the linux drop, various graphics engine updates that made the game virtually unplayable on older graphics cards... I wouldn't put it past them to do this as well.
Common now, people only use Linux because they are being difficult
What's that even supposed to mean, calling me difficult? I suppose you're going to call me pretentious for taking the bus instead of owning a car too? Or laugh at me for cooking dinner instead of microwaving a pop tart?
It makes no sense.
Wow, you are a colossal toolbox.
First, if you didn't have the hardware to run the new client, you deserved to be left behind. Want to cherish your old hardware forever? Go find a nice text based MMORPG.
Second, I'm not sure what the linux DROP was, if you can run X on windows you can run X on linux (unless competence is the root of the problem here). Linux can be a pain in the butt sometimes, but usually where there is a will there is a way. (plz correct me if i'm wrong, i may be in the dark)
Third, I'm confident the guy was joking about being difficult, but don't let that stop you.
Fourth, who the HELL MICROWAVES A POP TART? This is why god invented toasters. Eat it straight up, eat it toasted but ffs do not microwave the damn thing.
OP, no one is going to patch the game to only work on brand new nVidia cards.
Don't listen to the unstable people ranting about crazy things.
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.10 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Fourth, who the HELL MICROWAVES A POP TART? This is why god invented toasters. Eat it straight up, eat it toasted but ffs do not microwave the damn thing.
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Don't listen to the unstable people ranting about crazy things.
Riiiight… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Dani SP
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Posted - 2010.02.10 15:44:00 -
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dang, I was about to buy a HD5850
should wait? lol
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Delenne Sheridan
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Posted - 2010.02.10 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana Just think how it works with PhysX enabled games right now, if you don't have an nVidia card you simply don't get the extra effects.
There is a fix for that, I have a ATI 4870 and a Nvidia 8800 doing physx just for Batman, and its awesome...
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TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari United Systems Navy Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2010.02.12 07:33:00 -
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Edited by: TheLordofAllandNothing on 12/02/2010 07:34:43
Originally by: Dani SP dang, I was about to buy a HD5850
should wait? lol
The 5850s a god, buy it . Nvidias new 100 chip is **** anyway...and expensive. TSMC's troubled 40nm doesnt help.
Also CCP have more than enough brain cells between them to make sure ATI's cards run the new stuff.(quote me on that when they dont)
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.02.12 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing Edited by: TheLordofAllandNothing on 12/02/2010 07:34:43
Originally by: Dani SP dang, I was about to buy a HD5850
should wait? lol
The 5850s a god, buy it . Nvidias new 100 chip is **** anyway...and expensive. TSMC's troubled 40nm doesnt help.
Also CCP have more than enough brain cells between them to make sure ATI's cards run the new stuff.(quote me on that when they don't)
it already works on ati cards. the only problem is that if you have a ati card it will use your CPU, while if you gave an Nvidia card it will be done on the GPU, which is very good as GPUs aren't used enough and CPUs are used too much by graphics engines.
how much of a hit on CPU will it be I don't know. maybe a little so we wont even notice, maybe a lot, so you will need to turn it off to run it smoothly. if CCP could comment on this it would be great, like on which CPU it was done and if it was able to run it smoothly or not.
I guess there are already games out there utilising this so if someone has played those games on an ATI card and could comment, it would be great.
also I don't think it would be possible to have an ati card and then an Nvidia card just for the physics. getting two of the same type to work (sli, crossfire)is already a *****...
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