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ZombieFX	Posted - 2010.02.10 21:41:00 - [1] I know, i dont live in an exotic timezone or something. (germany is just gmt+1 UTC+1) And i wonder why dont u make the downtime on something like 5-7 o¦clock at the morning? The time - when pretty sure not that much ppl will be online (and sleep). I cant ger rid of the feeling, i cant start any big operation, couse i know the downtime is coming soon. Like a countdown - that just keeps teasing you! "nanana - u have to go offline :p"
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar Cat's Cradle	Posted - 2010.02.10 21:44:00 - [2] I dont know. Why is downtime at 5am were Im at? ___________________________________________________ CSM - Bring back Medium Shader!
Naomi Wildfire Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.02.10 21:44:00 - [3] Edited by: Naomi Wildfire on 10/02/2010 21:45:10 thats the middle of the day? sry, they are worse timezones... other county, same whine (i'm german too btw) #edit i know a solution :D Lets make the downtime at 5 am in every county
Lt Forge Pilots From Honour Aeternus.	Posted - 2010.02.10 21:44:00 - [4] (Dutch here) Ever considered that there are other countries and timezones on this planet, except your seventy year old vision called Germany?
Sgt Mimo	Posted - 2010.02.10 21:44:00 - [5] Maybe becouse it's night else where in the world ;)
Samantha U	Posted - 2010.02.10 21:44:00 - [6] CCP works on GMT, so the downtime is in the middle of their working day. This allows them to prepare beforehand and take care of any issues resulting from bugs that follow, all within normal working hours. It does seem pretty selfish since the early hours of the morning for Europe would still disrupt other time zones. How would you like to have to get up for work at that time of the day just to run a set of database operations?
Kyra Felann Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.10 21:46:00 - [7] Edited by: Kyra Felann on 10/02/2010 21:47:35 The largest nationality percentage of EVE players are in the US (followed closely by the UK), and it's really early in the morning here, which is pretty convenient (I've only been awake for downtime like once or twice). No matter when downtime is, someone somewhere in the world won't like it, so I guess the most they can do is try to minimize the countries inconvenienced by it or make it as convenient for them (CCP) as possible. Isn't downtime usually shorter than an hour now anyway?
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2010.02.10 21:47:00 - [8] It is going to be inconvenient for someone somewhere, so CCP might as well choose a time that is best for them.
MrBinary Minmatar Binary Systems	Posted - 2010.02.10 21:50:00 - [9] Originally by: Destination SkillQueue It is going to be inconvenient for someone somewhere, so CCP might as well choose a time that is best for them. Winner! "[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary"
Taedrin Gallente The Green Cross DEFI4NT	Posted - 2010.02.10 21:52:00 - [10] For two reasons: a) Current downtime is convenient for CCP staff, as they don't have to wake up at odd hours in the morning to make sure downtime happens smoothly. Having downtime when more staff is available probably makes more sense for them b) Current downtime is in the morning for US customers, which are a large portion of EVE's players. If downtime was during Europe's morning hours, then it would occur in the middle of US prime time. c) current downtime is in the middle of the work day for EVE's Europe players. Thus the current downtime is optimal because it is convenient for CCP, and it avoids prime time for the majority of EVE's players. ---------- Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident" Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.

trenny jr Caldari Order of Celestial Knights Galactic System Lords Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.10 21:55:00 - [11] Edited by: trenny jr on 10/02/2010 21:56:12 Its normally under and hour and even when its not can't you think of something better to do than stare at the eve log in waiting for the server to come back up (come to think of it if its the middle of the day get your lazy ass a job ) {EDIT} cleared up some errs{EDIT} [00:18:49] Lady Spank > /emote squiggles
egot istical	Posted - 2010.02.10 21:57:00 - [12] The server is in the UK. the UK is GMT. downtime is based around sociable decent hours for the staff. why the hell would they wanna do it at whatever o'clock in the middle of the night?
Kidain Gallente As Far As The eYe can see	Posted - 2010.02.10 22:02:00 - [13] I have to question why it "has" to go down everyday? This isn't me moaning it;s me genuinely asking :) No other game has DT everyday that I know of? -------------------------------------- Don't Confuse me with facts my minds already made up.
Darth Skorpius Crystalline INC THE-FEDERATION	Posted - 2010.02.10 22:03:00 - [14] i live in new zealand, and downtime for me hits at either 11pm or 12am (midnight) and is usually my cue to go to bed. if it was moved ot earlier in the morning eu (ie 6 or 7am gmt) then it would hit right in the middle of nz/aus prime time, rather than towards the end of it. game companies dont just throw darts at a clock to set downtimes, they do some research on where their consumer base lives, then use those numbers to work out when to have downtime so that the least number of players are inconvenienced as possible ____________________________________________ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG
Aloriana Jacques Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2010.02.10 22:11:00 - [15] Edited by: Aloriana Jacques on 10/02/2010 22:11:55 Originally by: Kidain I have to question why it "has" to go down everyday? This isn't me moaning it;s me genuinely asking :) No other game has DT everyday that I know of? A game who's server population which totals 5-7k can run longer than a game who's server population is 30-60k. How many market orders do you think are created, cancelled, and expire per day? Contracts? How many npcs are killed? What about all the stats that track those numbers to show us the following day? What about things that require downtime to make active? IE: new stations The amount of calculations and changes to the server need a regular reset to remain accurate. Other games don't track anywhere near the amount of information EVE does, nor has as much activity that requires cleanup. - - - Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2010.02.10 22:15:00 - [16] From game play perspective Outpost deployments cant be done while the game is activily running currently. There are also several other mechanics that cannot happen while the game is running. From IT perspective There is a metric tonn of data of logs and records that need to be backed up and kept track of and sorted though espeically for those pesky isk seller sales and transfers. Imagine if maitenance was every two weeks like world of warcraft then all of a sudden goonswarm crashes eve hard core forcing a roll back. They'd probably wouldnt have lost all of thier turf if it where possible. From Dev point of view Dev play time, the 30 minutes to an hour lets them hot check hot fixes on tranquility servers before play time is over. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 10FEB10
Aqriue	Posted - 2010.02.10 22:18:00 - [17] Originally by: Kidain I have to question why it "has" to go down everyday? This isn't me moaning it;s me genuinely asking :) No other game has DT everyday that I know of? No other game has 40+ (55K on the weekend!) subs active at once on the same server. Tranquillty gets millions of transactions, ship kills, skill ups, and session changes ect. The poor thing works 23 hours a day , let it have its 1 hour coffee break .
Mr Epeen	Posted - 2010.02.10 22:20:00 - [18] For the OP. Downtime is not in the middle of the day. It's at 6 in the morning. For the Americans. Sadly, the entire peoples of the world don't actually schedule their day for your convenience. You just got lucky on this one. For the poster above. The only research CCP likely did was not where the most subscribers were geographically, but whether they wanted a payroll each week that had a ton of overtime on it for the convenience of one whiner in Germany. Mr Epeen
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2010.02.10 22:22:00 - [19] Originally by: Mr Epeen For the OP. Downtime is not in the middle of the day. It's at 6 in the morning. For the Americans. Sadly, the entire peoples of the world don't actually schedule their day for your convenience. You just got lucky on this one. For the poster above. The only research CCP likely did was not where the most subscribers were geographically, but whether they wanted a payroll each week that had a ton of overtime on it for the convenience of one whiner in Germany. Mr Epeen CCP is icelandic last i checked and the server is in london. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 10FEB10
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.02.10 22:27:00 - [20] In before chippy ozzies

Mr Epeen	Posted - 2010.02.10 22:28:00 - [21] Originally by: Nova Fox Originally by: Mr Epeen For the OP. Downtime is not in the middle of the day. It's at 6 in the morning. For the Americans. Sadly, the entire peoples of the world don't actually schedule their day for your convenience. You just got lucky on this one. For the poster above. The only research CCP likely did was not where the most subscribers were geographically, but whether they wanted a payroll each week that had a ton of overtime on it for the convenience of one whiner in Germany. Mr Epeen CCP is icelandic last i checked and the server is in london. Can't get anything past you, Mr Sharp. BTW, I'm sure you were thinking you made some kind of a point with that statement. What exactly would it be? Mr Epeen
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.10 22:28:00 - [22] Edited by: Zeba on 10/02/2010 22:28:52 Originally by: Malcanis In before chippy ozzies The kiwis can get right unruly too. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Darth Skorpius Crystalline INC THE-FEDERATION	Posted - 2010.02.10 22:31:00 - [23] Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 10/02/2010 22:28:52 Originally by: Malcanis In before chippy ozzies The kiwis can get right unruly too. indeed we can, but we are usually pretty laid back untill you start calling us aussies, then you shoudl start running ____________________________________________ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2010.02.10 22:34:00 - [24] I dunno what was your point? Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 10FEB10
Kyra Felann Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.10 22:37:00 - [25] Originally by: Mr Epeen For the Americans. Sadly, the entire peoples of the world don't actually schedule their day for your convenience. You just got lucky on this one. We're the largest percentage (in before "lol Americans are fat!" joke) of EVE players, thus I wouldn't be surprised at all if we factored into the decision process, despite what snarky, condescending Europeans like yourself might think. If you don't believe me, look here. Look toward the bottom, where there's a table with percent of subscribers and percent of voters by country. Americans make up about 37% of the players of EVE, followed by the UK with about 14%.
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2010.02.10 22:41:00 - [26] Get a job you slacker. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Yakoff Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.02.10 22:42:00 - [27] The gerbils take their lunch like any other CCP employee. It is international law or something to that matter of fact. ___ It deosnt mttaer waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, olny taht the frist and lsat leettr be in the rghit pclae. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef.
Mr Epeen	Posted - 2010.02.10 22:50:00 - [28] Originally by: Kyra Felann Originally by: Mr Epeen For the Americans. Sadly, the entire peoples of the world don't actually schedule their day for your convenience. You just got lucky on this one. We're the largest percentage (in before "lol Americans are fat!" joke) of EVE players, thus I wouldn't be surprised at all if we factored into the decision process, despite what snarky, condescending Europeans like yourself might think. If you don't believe me, look here. Look toward the bottom, where there's a table with percent of subscribers and percent of voters by country. Americans make up about 37% of the players of EVE, followed by the UK with about 14%. GOD BLESS AMERICA! Must be hard to type replies while standing at attention at full salute with a patriotic tear in your eye. Like I said, you just got lucky on this one. If CCP were anywhere else. Say Australia, it would be you that was whining about an inconvenient downtime and not the Aussies, Germans, Kiwis etc. Mr Epeen
Stick Cult Unspoken Autonomy.	Posted - 2010.02.10 22:59:00 - [29] I really think it has nothing to do with the players at all. It's just the middle of the work day for CCP, which lets them fix anything that might go wrong over downtime, or deploy patches, or whatever, without having shifts at 2 in the morning. As it's been said before. Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries	Posted - 2010.02.10 23:02:00 - [30] EVE has the best downtimes ever! her in the US the servers are offline while i sleep.

dtyk	Posted - 2010.02.10 23:10:00 - [31] Be happy it's where it is. If the DT was at, lets say, 4-5am (UTC, since that's what the EVE clock and CCP use), we would have grumpy devs to it, and it would both take longer and get done much more carelessly because everyone there would want to get back to their normal night-time activities. Instead of that, we have a 11-12 DT, which means the DT is in middle of the devs work day and next to their lunch, which means they will be quick and alert when doing it, and it will get done well and get done fast, AND Americans will mostly be sleeping, Europeans will mostly be working, and Aussies/Kiwis, I believe, will mostly be sad.
Jacabon Mere Caldari Quantum Horizons Skynet Confederation	Posted - 2010.02.10 23:48:00 - [32] Edited by: Jacabon Mere on 10/02/2010 23:49:26 Originally by: Malcanis In before chippy ozzies yeah this guy has no reason to complain. Eastern oz here. With current DST it's between 10 and 11pm. During winter it's between 9 and 10. During the day has to suck. You can't play eve at work then. EDIT: I have fat fingers and an iphone ----------------------- Quantum Horizons is recruiting Aussies/players active around DT. Join "QH Public" for a chat and more info. Website
Terianna Eri Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2010.02.10 23:54:00 - [33] My downtime is 6-7 AM, what are you talking about? ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
Sahriah BloodStone Caldari No.Mercy Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.02.11 00:05:00 - [34] Originally by: Kidain I have to question why it "has" to go down everyday? This isn't me moaning it;s me genuinely asking :) No other game has DT everyday that I know of? Most MMO's have DT at some point, i believe WoW's is like once a week but the DT lasts for 12hrs or something stupid, which is more time altogether then EvE's per week. Havnt played any other MMO's so im not sure about them but they would all need maintence. Eve is just a very high maintence game tbh. DT is from 10pm-11pm at night here for me in australia and im not complaining. ---------------------- Sahriah Bloodstone No.Mercy
Kyra Felann Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.11 00:12:00 - [35] Edited by: Kyra Felann on 11/02/2010 00:16:01 Originally by: Mr Epeen We're the largest percentage (in before "lol Americans are fat!" joke) of EVE players, thus I wouldn't be surprised at all if we factored into the decision process, despite what snarky, condescending Europeans like yourself might think. If you don't believe me, look here. Look toward the bottom, where there's a table with percent of subscribers and percent of voters by country. Americans make up about 37% of the players of EVE, followed by the UK with about 14%. GOD BLESS AMERICA! Must be hard to type replies while standing at attention at full salute with a patriotic tear in your eye. Like I said, you just got lucky on this one. If CCP were anywhere else. Say Australia, it would be you that was whining about an inconvenient downtime and not the Aussies, Germans, Kiwis etc. I give you facts, you continue to spout nonsense. You're not even worth replying to. I'm also glad you don't run a business if you don't see the difference between inconveniencing almost 40% of your user base versus 5% or 10%. Originally by: Stick Cult I really think it has nothing to do with the players at all. It's just the middle of the work day for CCP, which lets them fix anything that might go wrong over downtime, or deploy patches, or whatever, without having shifts at 2 in the morning. This is probably the biggest factor, yes, but they could probably have it at any time during their work day. I'm sure they try to inconvenience the smallest possible part of the player-base as possible and use the 8 hour wiggle-room during their workday to do so.
Joe Stalin	Posted - 2010.02.11 00:18:00 - [36] Edited by: Joe Stalin on 11/02/2010 00:25:29 Edited by: Joe Stalin on 11/02/2010 00:22:31 Last I checked 40% of EVE subscribers are in the USA, with another 5% in Canada. That's a higher percentage than all European countries combined. Since it makes sense to have downtime affect the least number of players possible (duhhh, keep as many customers happy as possible, this is all about getting RL money out of people's pockets afterall), having it be in the 3am-6am range for the most popular timezones should be expected. Combined with having downtime optimal for workdays in Iceland, there is really no reason to have it at any other time. If you want this to change, start trying to recruit more Euro players to the game. Having 40% of the subscriber base coming from a single country is making you Euro guys look bad not being able to keep up when you include your entire continent. Edit: Oh and to the guy claiming it was all about the Iceland TZ and CCP would gladly throw up a middle finger to the US players if it made things easier, you are a moron. CCP has US offices also, and could easily move administration of downtime to those if it benefited them in anyway what-so-ever.
Samantha U	Posted - 2010.02.11 00:22:00 - [37] Don't the Goons make up a large part of the US contingent?
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2010.02.11 00:23:00 - [38] Originally by: Joe Stalin Combined with having downtime optimal for workdays in Iceland, there is really no reason to have it at any other time. If you want this to change, start trying to recruit more Euro players to the game. I think unmooring Iceland and towing it into another time zone is your only hope if you want to influence DT scheduling.
Davin Airitsu Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.02.11 00:25:00 - [39] Originally by: Mr Epeen If CCP were anywhere else. Say Australia, it would be you that was whining about an inconvenient downtime and not the Aussies, Germans, Kiwis etc. I doubt that. Our own homegrown MMO wouldn't even release a local server, nor cater to us for downtime, before it crashed horribly. Despite the fact that a very old MMO has a decade old server in Australia that has it's own localised timing. The EVE server is designed for a global audience. It needs to perform downtime when most of the globe is sleeping. It'd simply mean night shift crews coming in at around 10:00PM to perform maintenance.
Esu Nahalas The Night Corporation	Posted - 2010.02.11 00:52:00 - [40] You think you have it tough? On Pluto, DT occurs six times a day, and never when it's convenient.

Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Research and Manufacturing Corp.	Posted - 2010.02.11 02:44:00 - [41] Originally by: Samantha U Don't the Goons make up a large part of the US contingent? There's not enough Goons for that to be the case. Even if all Goons were Americans (and they're not), they'd still only make up maybe 3-4% of US players. ----- 'In Eve, as in real life, if you are bored it's your own fault.'
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.02.11 03:42:00 - [42] I'm sick of these stupid 4am downtimes! fix it CCP!!! Originally by: a51 duke1406 The girls just dont understand that sunday is pvp night, not cuddle on the couch watching tv night.
Ryhss Caldari 42nd Airborn	Posted - 2010.02.11 04:24:00 - [43] It's 5 or 6am east coast USA.......I'm always asleep. This is my sig, stop reading.
sue denim	Posted - 2010.02.11 04:35:00 - [44] I don't think everything done during DT is an automated process, or if it is they at least want to monitor it, which means they have to be in the office and on the job, and why the hell would they want that at 5-6 am :\|
Spurty Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2010.02.11 05:27:00 - [45] A more disturbing question must be answered first: Why is your 'l' at the end of your "middel" ? And for the answer to YOUR issue: Experts agree, its always darkest just before the lights come on. hth Originally by: Hurley I WAS NOT QUITTING SoT AND WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT JOINING IT. PL/SoT MADE A MISTAKE AND ARE NOT MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT OR FIX IT.
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar Cat's Cradle	Posted - 2010.02.11 05:51:00 - [46] Why is my poop time always when I least expect it? ___________________________________________________ CSM - Bring back Medium Shader!
Samantha U	Posted - 2010.02.11 06:06:00 - [47] Prunes
Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiau	Posted - 2010.02.11 07:15:00 - [48] Originally by: Joe Stalin Edited by: Joe Stalin on 11/02/2010 00:25:29 Edited by: Joe Stalin on 11/02/2010 00:22:31 Last I checked 40% of EVE subscribers are in the USA, with another 5% in Canada. That's a higher percentage than all European countries combined. maybe you should check yoou math. First of all it more like 38% from the USA. Second: USA and Canada combined are about the same number as all European countries combined. Just saying. The main reason is propably that no one wants to work at 5am if he can do the same work at 11am. It will always sucks for one time zone.
Ivy Scorn Amarr Nethro Ore Conglomerate	Posted - 2010.02.11 07:35:00 - [49] Originally by: Kyra Felann I give you facts, you continue to spout nonsense. You're not even worth replying to. I'm also glad you don't run a business if you don't see the difference between inconveniencing almost 40% of your user base versus 5% or 10%. Aw, a cute american failpost. Dude, you can't compare the US to one single country within Europe. If anything, you'd have to compare against the entirety of Europe. But even that would be pretty much nonsense. To make any serious point, you'd have to compare the number of subscribers per affected timezone. First of course you'd have to define "affected". I.e. LIke the OP, I'm from GMT+1 too and I'm seriously wondering why the OP would complain about the DT. It's pretty convenient where it is. Most people work or are at school at that time. And if it's the weekend and they're already awake, they're crazy.
AccesiViale Gallente Vox de Lucis	Posted - 2010.02.11 07:49:00 - [50] I'm GMT-6 reporting DT is still in the middle of my work day. If I ever had time to log in from work I would be sad. Any way you cut it, somebody will be wearing a frown. The sky was blue but there was no god.

Menotan Vherokior	Posted - 2010.02.11 08:09:00 - [51] Simply for my convenience. I get home from work by the time Eve DT is over. Hehe. Seriously, I believe it's probably set at this time for dev's and ISD to be able fix a problem after the database serves are cleaned up and are restarted and proceeds to crash. Ever played an MMO or FPS server where it automatically restarts, crashes and where all the dev's are sleeping? Not fun.
Cyenwulf	Posted - 2010.02.11 08:51:00 - [52] 1 hour daily downtimes are a thousand times better than losing entire nights to 8+ hours of weekly maintenance.
cal nereus The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.02.11 09:43:00 - [53] Take your pick: middle of the working day, during prime-time, or late at night. Because depending on your answer, you may want to move to the US/Canada, NZ/Australia, or just stay in Europe. The purpose of downtime is for CCP to work on the server, so they picked their working hours for it. The timing of it as it relates to the players around the world is just a side-effect. Clear Skies Day of Darkness
Dani WH	Posted - 2010.02.11 11:34:00 - [54] Edited by: Dani WH on 11/02/2010 11:37:06 Awww, a selfish german you know, Earth is a sphere and not everyone sleeps/works at same time, do you? if you look at servers graph you realize 11-12GMT and nearer times are the least active. This is because most Americans are sleeping and Europeans are still at work before lunch time. you usually get lunch after job, and then spare time. So this is the best solution for both Europe/America, meaning 80% of eve population is happy. Poor asians, but oh well... and finally, it happens that 11-12GMT is a great time cause its a work time in Iceland and UK. So everybody wins.
GIGAR Caldari Domini Umbrus	Posted - 2010.02.11 11:42:00 - [55] Originally by: Dani WH Edited by: Dani WH on 11/02/2010 11:37:06 Awww, a selfish german you know, Earth is a sphere and not everyone sleeps/works at same time, do you? if you look at servers graph you realize 11-12GMT and nearer times are the least active. This is because most Americans are sleeping and Europeans are still at work before lunch time. you usually get lunch after job, and then spare time. So this is the best solution for both Europe/America, meaning 80% of eve population is happy. Poor asians, but oh well... and finally, it happens that 11-12GMT is a great time cause its a work time in Iceland and UK. So everybody wins. AFAIK Asia (Or, China, at least?) have separate servers. Your statement still stands, though, most people are either sleeping or at work during DT. Heck, even young people in school are mostly just getting home, or still in school -------------------------- 2 Years later, mining continues to be the most overlooked game mechanic in Eve
Grendelfreak	Posted - 2010.02.11 11:52:00 - [56] So, what do the other Australians and our sheep-buggering cousins do during Downtime?
Cloudcobra Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.02.11 11:52:00 - [57] Also, the total DT each week is more or less the same as most other MMOs out there, who have 5-8 hours DT on one day. ------------------------------- Who dares wins
Lexx Khadar Minmatar Free Minmatar Union	Posted - 2010.02.11 12:05:00 - [58] Edited by: Lexx Khadar on 11/02/2010 12:10:14 Because the servers and the people maintaining them are in London. Originally by: Kidain I have to question why it "has" to go down everyday? This isn't me moaning it;s me genuinely asking :) No other game has DT everyday that I know of? Because no other MMO has the size of database to maintain for one server cluster. Originally by: GIGAR Originally by: Dani WH Edited by: Dani WH on 11/02/2010 11:37:06 Awww, a selfish german you know, Earth is a sphere and not everyone sleeps/works at same time, do you? if you look at servers graph you realize 11-12GMT and nearer times are the least active. This is because most Americans are sleeping and Europeans are still at work before lunch time. you usually get lunch after job, and then spare time. So this is the best solution for both Europe/America, meaning 80% of eve population is happy. Poor asians, but oh well... and finally, it happens that 11-12GMT is a great time cause its a work time in Iceland and UK. So everybody wins. AFAIK Asia (Or, China, at least?) have separate servers. Your statement still stands, though, most people are either sleeping or at work during DT. Heck, even young people in school are mostly just getting home, or still in school The only reason they set up the china server was due to chinas very strict laws governing internet usage and content.
Alexeph Stoekai Stoekai Corp	Posted - 2010.02.11 12:17:00 - [59] I'll bite: It doesn't go down in the middel of the day, it goes down in the middle of the day. -----
Kidain Gallente As Far As The eYe can see	Posted - 2010.02.11 13:03:00 - [60] Edited by: Kidain on 11/02/2010 13:03:53 Originally by: Aqriue Originally by: Kidain I have to question why it "has" to go down everyday? This isn't me moaning it;s me genuinely asking :) No other game has DT everyday that I know of? No other game has 40+ (55K on the weekend!) subs active at once on the same server. Tranquillty gets millions of transactions, ship kills, skill ups, and session changes ect. The poor thing works 23 hours a day , let it have its 1 hour coffee break . Well that makes total sense... Thanks all for letting me know :) I suppose if I had just thought about it :P And you made me feel guilty now pats Tranq -------------------------------------- Don't Confuse me with facts my minds already made up.

Sperrzone Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.02.11 13:24:00 - [61] CCP wants you to get some food !!! in German : geh MITTAGESSEN ! got it ? good
Twilight Moon Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.02.11 14:09:00 - [62] Get a job.
Hemp Invader g guild Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2010.02.11 15:27:00 - [63] Can i have your stuff? I had to say that...sorry :(
Julius Rigel	Posted - 2010.02.11 15:34:00 - [64] Originally by: ZombieFX Why is the downtime in the middel of the day? Because have you looked at the online users graph? Downtime is right smack in that valley where there's virtually nobody online.
Mister Gimp	Posted - 2010.02.11 15:40:00 - [65] It's at midday to give all you dole scroungers a sociable hour to pretend to look for a job so you can carry on claiming JSA. Truth.
Grez Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2010.02.11 15:47:00 - [66] Edited by: Grez on 11/02/2010 15:47:44 Originally by: Taedrin For two reasons: a) Current downtime is convenient for CCP staff, as they don't have to wake up at odd hours in the morning to make sure downtime happens smoothly. Having downtime when more staff is available probably makes more sense for them b) Current downtime is in the morning for US customers, which are a large portion of EVE's players. If downtime was during Europe's morning hours, then it would occur in the middle of US prime time. c) current downtime is in the middle of the work day for EVE's Europe players. Thus the current downtime is optimal because it is convenient for CCP, and it avoids prime time for the majority of EVE's players. You fail. A HUGE majority of EVE players are from Europe, not America. The one, and only, reason they do it at that time is because the servers are hosted in England, and it's at that time that most of the work can be done on them if issues arise. If it suited CCP to have it at 2am GMT, then we'd have it then, but it doesn't, so it's not. Simple. ---
Liol Wongsta The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.02.11 16:01:00 - [67] Simple. Hamsters get fed at lunch time where they live. As a player formerly based in Australia, but now in South America, DT used to suck for me. 9pm DT is a killer for shot-o-clock ops. You get way to trashed during DT Team Speak shenanigans to continue functioning after DT. Aussies used to moan that if DT was 2 hours later it wouldnt effect any where near as many people, but in reality it would start hitting on the UK school kiddies getting home. Fact, Aussies are only 3ish% of the eve player base. DT where it is makes the most sense on so many levels. If over 40% of the players are asleep(USA/Canada and South America combined) and approx another 40% are (should be) at work or School, why not have it when it is? But ultimately, it all comes back to the Hamsters getting fed in the middle of the day as that is best for their metabolisms.
Wesfahrn WESCORP 2.0	Posted - 2010.02.11 16:02:00 - [68] Look at the chart, everyone logs of there anyway
Mistress Servelan	Posted - 2010.02.11 16:43:00 - [69] It's not, it's at 6am.
Alphonse Diago	Posted - 2010.02.11 17:33:00 - [70] What is this downtime you are all speaking of?

Amerilia	Posted - 2010.02.11 17:38:00 - [71] Originally by: Julius Rigel Originally by: ZombieFX Why is the downtime in the middel of the day? Because have you looked at the online users graph? Downtime is right smack in that valley where there's virtually nobody online. It is there because people avoid sticking around before the server shuts down...
Corywyn	Posted - 2010.02.11 17:44:00 - [72] Originally by: Amerilia Originally by: Julius Rigel Originally by: ZombieFX Why is the downtime in the middel of the day? Because have you looked at the online users graph? Downtime is right smack in that valley where there's virtually nobody online. It is there because people avoid sticking around before the server shuts down... ^ this. It's hard to be online if the server is offline (amazing how many refer to that graph without thinking about that 'tiny' detail ...)
Mugster	Posted - 2010.02.11 17:53:00 - [73] This thread needs more Quantum Entanglement discussion, way more interesting that discussing time zones. Quantum Entanglement
Taxesarebad	Posted - 2010.02.11 17:58:00 - [74] united states are win, doesnt the world know that yet? anyways its only 1 hour, so eat lunch and check emails
Morgan Oakenwolf	Posted - 2010.02.11 18:49:00 - [75] as someone mentioned earlier, the user count graph has always looked like this: Linkage I've been playing for about 4 years give or take and it's always looked like that. Though, instead of leveling off at ~20k, it use to level off around ~5k. I would think they started the down time when it was convenient and would have moved it if the user base peak was at that time it it had been needed. just my thoughts.
TheMahdi	Posted - 2010.02.11 20:23:00 - [76] Be glad your not Australian. Downtime is at a most inconvenient 9-10 PM. Pretty much prime time. Get home, have dinner, start playing. THEN DOWNTIME! I'd say, get a job and then it won't bother you.
000Hunter000 Gallente Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2010.02.11 21:28:00 - [77] Meh, time is relative, i mean we all have experienced the sensation where sometimes a minute seems to take an hour and an hour goes by in a flash... ________________________________________________
Gort Minmatar Federation of Freedom Fighters En Garde	Posted - 2010.02.11 21:34:00 - [78] It's when the people doing the work are available. -- When in doubt, empty the magazine.
Kyra Felann Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.11 22:38:00 - [79] Edited by: Kyra Felann on 11/02/2010 22:40:43 Originally by: Ivy Scorn Aw, a cute american failpost. Dude, you can't compare the US to one single country within Europe. If anything, you'd have to compare against the entirety of Europe. But even that would be pretty much nonsense. I think it's sad how so many Europeans seem to feel so smug and self-superior or inadequate or threatened or whatever that they have to make it personal any time they disagree with an American. Every single time anyone has disagreed with my posts in this thread, they've attacked be personally because of my nationality. I haven't attacked anyone because of their nationality. Yet you think we're the close-minded bigots? If you think you are so much more cultured and enlightened than us dumb hillbilly Americans, maybe you should set a better example. Anyway, back to the facts if you add up all the European subscriber percentages (not counting Ukraine and Russia, although I did add in all other Eastern European countries), it still adds up to slightly more (less than one percent more) than the US's subscriber percentage, then throw Canada in and North America has more than all of Europe combined, except for Ukraine and Russia. All I've said this whole thread is that I'm sure the percentage of their players that they're inconveniencing probably entered into the decision and that almost 40% of their players are in North America, with most of the rest being in Western Europe, where unless I'm mistaken, it's still at a fairly convenient time (and of course convenient for CCP). I do feel sorry for the Aussies and Kiwis though, since it's right at prime time for them, but if you'll notice, they happen to be a very small percentage statistically. If you disagree with the above speculation, that's fine, but attacking my and my country when it really doesn't enter into the argument is showing how small-minded you are.
Mr Epeen	Posted - 2010.02.11 23:22:00 - [80] Originally by: Kyra Felann I think it's sad how so many Europeans seem to feel so smug and self-superior or inadequate or threatened or whatever that they have to make it personal any time they disagree with an American. There are two types of Americans. The first type believes that the U.S. is simply a part of a larger whole that is the world at large. I fall into that category. The second believes there are two types of people; Americans and everyone else and two places; the U.S. and everywhere else. You fall into this category. I look at the D/T thing with an open mind and realize that, if Occam's razor holds true, that D/T is when it is because that is when it makes the most sense for CCP employees to have it. You, on the other hand, knowing as you do that the only reason anything happens is because that's what makes Americans happy, know that no matter where CCP was located that they would, of course, make their D/T to coincide with the desires of the greatest people in the world. That, my dear neighbor, is why you get centered out for ridicule. Not because of your nationality, but because of your attitude. Mr Epeen

Smk56	Posted - 2010.02.12 00:36:00 - [81] Edited by: Smk56 on 12/02/2010 00:36:45 Originally by: Mr Epeen The second believes there are two types of people; Americans and everyone else and two places; the U.S. and everywhere else. You fall into this category. And you know this how exactly? He hasn't done anything except stated his opinion and supported it with facts. He's also most likely correct. CCP is a business and keeping customers happy is usually a priority of most businesses. I'm sure they would suck it up and do it at a different time if it meant a bigger payday. Also how does his nationality even factor in.
Hakurei Border Gensokyo	Posted - 2010.02.12 00:53:00 - [82] You got 1 hour to eat, that's not that bad. ;)
Mr Epeen	Posted - 2010.02.12 01:37:00 - [83] Originally by: Smk56 Edited by: Smk56 on 12/02/2010 00:36:45 Originally by: Mr Epeen The second believes there are two types of people; Americans and everyone else and two places; the U.S. and everywhere else. You fall into this category. And you know this how exactly? He hasn't done anything except stated his opinion and supported it with facts. He's also most likely correct. CCP is a business and keeping customers happy is usually a priority of most businesses. I'm sure they would suck it up and do it at a different time if it meant a bigger payday. Also how does his nationality even factor in. You might try reading more than the first and last post before you blather. Mr Epeen
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2010.02.12 01:45:00 - [84] Originally by: Spurty Why is your 'l' at the end of your "middel" ? Because he's a German nutjob. Well, the actual spelling probably has more to do with the German part and less with the nutjob, but I stand by my statement. Free jumpclone service\|874 stations - Truly Universal
Kyra Felann Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.12 01:48:00 - [85] Edited by: Kyra Felann on 12/02/2010 01:49:09 Originally by: Mr Epeen That, my dear neighbor, is why you get centered out for ridicule. Not because of your nationality, but because of your attitude. Please show me a quote from this thread of me saying or implying that America and Americans are better than anyone else and that the world and everyone in it should go out of their ways to please us. I've backed up my position with facts, but you haven't backed up your assertion of my "attitude" at all. I gave you numbers and facts directly from CCP illustrating that we represent by far the largest percentage of the EVE playerbase. I said that the time zones of the majority of players (which are in North America and Europe) are probably a factor (certainly not the only one) in deciding on the timing of downtime. My reasoning is that CCP, as a business, most likely would try to inconvenience the smallest percentage of players possible. The current timing of downtime seems to fit that reasoning. If you interpret any of that as me demanding that the rest of the world should try to please us just because we're Americans, that's not my fault, nor my problem.
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2010.02.12 01:54:00 - [86] Originally by: Kyra Felann I gave you numbers and facts directly from CCP illustrating that we represent by far the largest percentage of the EVE playerbase. I said that the time zones of the majority of players (which are in North America and Europe) are probably a factor (certainly not the only one) in deciding on the timing of downtime. My reasoning is that CCP, as a business, most likely would try to inconvenience the smallest percentage of players possible. The current timing of downtime seems to fit that reasoning. To be fair, you should not be using the current player distribution but the distribution at the time when downtime was first set at 1100 GMT. I don't know how the distribution was when that decision was made, or even if EVE had any players at all, but the current numbers won't have had a lot to do with a decision made years ago. The other argument, concerning the working hours of devs, is as valid now as it was back then as the working hours haven't changed since then. Free jumpclone service\|874 stations - Truly Universal
PostmasterGeneral Minmatar yo i'm posting	Posted - 2010.02.12 02:04:00 - [87] ~america controls your game and your world~
Tellenta Gallente Invicta. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2010.02.12 02:15:00 - [88] Originally by: ZombieFX I know, i dont live in an exotic timezone or something. (germany is just gmt+1 UTC+1) And i wonder why dont u make the downtime on something like 5-7 o¦clock at the morning? The time - when pretty sure not that much ppl will be online (and sleep). I cant ger rid of the feeling, i cant start any big operation, couse i know the downtime is coming soon. Like a countdown - that just keeps teasing you! "nanana - u have to go offline :p" Do you really want CCP working on the servers before they get over their morning hangover, and haven't had their morning coffee/tea? I know I don't.
Black Leather	Posted - 2010.02.12 02:27:00 - [89] Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Kyra Felann I gave you numbers and facts directly from CCP illustrating that we represent by far the largest percentage of the EVE playerbase. I said that the time zones of the majority of players (which are in North America and Europe) are probably a factor (certainly not the only one) in deciding on the timing of downtime. My reasoning is that CCP, as a business, most likely would try to inconvenience the smallest percentage of players possible. The current timing of downtime seems to fit that reasoning. To be fair, you should not be using the current player distribution but the distribution at the time when downtime was first set at 1100 GMT. I don't know how the distribution was when that decision was made, or even if EVE had any players at all, but the current numbers won't have had a lot to do with a decision made years ago. The other argument, concerning the working hours of devs, is as valid now as it was back then as the working hours haven't changed since then. Totally unacceptable!! I should report you for posting rational common sense statements. You should be ashamed of yourself. Look me up in game for your spanking
Virgil Travis Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.12 02:29:00 - [90] Originally by: Black Leather Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Kyra Felann I gave you numbers and facts directly from CCP illustrating that we represent by far the largest percentage of the EVE playerbase. I said that the time zones of the majority of players (which are in North America and Europe) are probably a factor (certainly not the only one) in deciding on the timing of downtime. My reasoning is that CCP, as a business, most likely would try to inconvenience the smallest percentage of players possible. The current timing of downtime seems to fit that reasoning. To be fair, you should not be using the current player distribution but the distribution at the time when downtime was first set at 1100 GMT. I don't know how the distribution was when that decision was made, or even if EVE had any players at all, but the current numbers won't have had a lot to do with a decision made years ago. The other argument, concerning the working hours of devs, is as valid now as it was back then as the working hours haven't changed since then. Totally unacceptable!! I should report you for posting rational common sense statements. You should be ashamed of yourself. Look me up in game for your spanking Now if only I'd know making sense would lead to such rewards when I was younger

Jacabon Mere Caldari Quantum Horizons Skynet Confederation	Posted - 2010.02.12 03:31:00 - [91] Originally by: Grendelfreak So, what do the other Australians and our sheep-buggering cousins do during Downtime? do any chores and give the missus a call. ----------------------- Quantum Horizons is recruiting Aussies/players active around DT. Join "QH Public" for a chat and more info. Website
rand0mch1ck	Posted - 2010.02.12 05:18:00 - [92] Its because CCP hates Australians. We have like sunshine warm temperatures, no snow and stuff, and it ****es the Icelanders off. Its some sort of passive agressive meta gaming revenge :( CCP > Hey heres a sandbox go play in it Aussies > \o/ CCP > But we dont like you so we are going to take the server down right in the middle of you ganking Germans who should have jobs Aussies >
Krennel Darius Caldari Nova Security Systems	Posted - 2010.02.12 05:51:00 - [93] Originally by: ZombieFX I know, i dont live in an exotic timezone or something. (germany is just gmt+1 UTC+1) And i wonder why dont u make the downtime on something like 5-7 o¦clock at the morning? The time - when pretty sure not that much ppl will be online (and sleep). I cant ger rid of the feeling, i cant start any big operation, couse i know the downtime is coming soon. Like a countdown - that just keeps teasing you! "nanana - u have to go offline :p" Why are you complaining? You get to play right after DT, while the majority of the players in the US are asleep. That lets the Europeans rule the game. Or at least gank us sleepy Americans. Either way its better for you. _________________________________________________ If at first you don't succeed, you're not Chuck Norris
OffensiveNameHere	Posted - 2010.02.12 11:25:00 - [94] Originally by: Kyra Felann Originally by: Mr Epeen For the Americans. Sadly, the entire peoples of the world don't actually schedule their day for your convenience. You just got lucky on this one. We're the largest percentage (in before "lol Americans are fat!" joke) of EVE players, thus I wouldn't be surprised at all if we factored into the decision process, despite what snarky, condescending Europeans like yourself might think. If you don't believe me, look here. Look toward the bottom, where there's a table with percent of subscribers and percent of voters by country. Americans make up about 37% of the players of EVE, followed by the UK with about 14%. Of the listed countries, 38.71% of the players are from Europe.
Major Trant 287 Marine Regiment	Posted - 2010.02.12 11:30:00 - [95] Originally by: Kidain I have to question why it "has" to go down everyday? This isn't me moaning it;s me genuinely asking :) No other game has DT everyday that I know of? I love Eve, but speaking as a programmer I have to say that the standard of programming in this game is suspect! Thus the reason why DT is needed is obvious, the game leaks memory like a sieve - the code does not clean itself up fully when a ship dies, a player logs off, a resourse is consumed etc. The Server slowly grinds to a halt as it's free memory runs out and they have to reboot the cluster periodically to free up the memory. Naw, I'm probably just sceptical, if that was true, you would find that on very busy days they would have to do that twice a day. Like around 2300 GMT on weekends, and you would get horrendous lag issues too. Originally by: Sahriah BloodStone Most MMO's have DT at some point, i believe WoW's is like once a week but the DT lasts for 12hrs or something stupid, which is more time altogether then EvE's per week. ...er no. When I played, Wow's DT used to be 15 mins a week on Wednesday morning at 3am local server time.
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2010.02.12 11:39:00 - [96] Originally by: Major Trant but speaking as a programmer I have to say that the standard of programming in this game is suspect! So how much experience programming a MMORPG with 2 major expansions and several patches a year for 7 years do you have exactly? Free jumpclone service\|874 stations - Truly Universal
Major Trant 287 Marine Regiment	Posted - 2010.02.12 12:06:00 - [97] Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Major Trant but speaking as a programmer I have to say that the standard of programming in this game is suspect! So how much experience programming a MMORPG with 2 major expansions and several patches a year for 7 years do you have exactly? None, but I know a system that is creeking when I see it and nuff said about the UI. You seem very sensitive to this criticism, I'm sorry if it is unsettling, I love this game too but to pretend there are no issues with it is silly.
RaTTuS BIG Aegis Militia	Posted - 2010.02.12 12:13:00 - [98] Dt happens when there is less people on the Server look here so see what the population looks like -- \| Capital
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2010.02.12 12:40:00 - [99] Originally by: Major Trant You seem very sensitive to this criticism, I'm sorry if it is unsettling, I love this game too but to pretend there are no issues with it is silly. I'm sensitive to bull**, if that's what you mean. I was calling you out on your claim that your being a programmer is somehow relevant, as if just any programmer could do a better job than all the devs at CCP. That's not to say that there are no issues with EVE, I'm just saying that you're delusional. Free jumpclone service**\|874 stations - Truly Universal
XPistolX Caldari	Posted - 2010.02.12 12:54:00 - [100] This

Irida Mershkov Gallente Honour Before Death Nominis Expers	Posted - 2010.02.12 14:36:00 - [101] Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 12/02/2010 14:37:07 When DT hits, I go have lunch, awesome for us glorious Brits. Originally by: OffensiveNameHere Originally by: Kyra Felann Originally by: Mr Epeen For the Americans. Sadly, the entire peoples of the world don't actually schedule their day for your convenience. You just got lucky on this one. We're the largest percentage (in before "lol Americans are fat!" joke) of EVE players, thus I wouldn't be surprised at all if we factored into the decision process, despite what snarky, condescending Europeans like yourself might think. If you don't believe me, look here. Look toward the bottom, where there's a table with percent of subscribers and percent of voters by country. Americans make up about 37% of the players of EVE, followed by the UK with about 14%. Of the listed countries, 38.71% of the players are from Europe. Europe isn't a country.
Mr Epeen	Posted - 2010.02.12 15:45:00 - [102] Originally by: RaTTuS Dt happens when there is less people on the Server look here so see what the population looks like I think what you meant to say was, 'There are less people on the server when downtime time happens'. Or maybe you are just making a funny post vOv Mr Epeen
Joseph Maccabi	Posted - 2010.02.12 19:32:00 - [103] Originally by: Major Trant Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Major Trant but speaking as a programmer I have to say that the standard of programming in this game is suspect! So how much experience programming a MMORPG with 2 major expansions and several patches a year for 7 years do you have exactly? None, but I know a system that is creeking when I see it and nuff said about the UI. You seem very sensitive to this criticism, I'm sorry if it is unsettling, I love this game too but to pretend there are no issues with it is silly. Sorry Major, but the majority of the downtime tasks are database related (running scripts, archiving dat, etc) and not just to reboot the cluster.


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