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Dyson Veare
Ixion Defence Systems
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.02.13 00:17:00 -
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Am I missing some rational logic here, the Jump Bridge is replacing the ships warp engines, so the jump bridge is warping the ship not the ship warping the jump bridge.
I was scrammed today and wasn't allowed to jump through the Jump Bridge. Who at ccp was playing idiot this time?
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.13 00:20:00 -
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So what kind of counter would you like to see instead?
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Asuka Smith
Gallente
Noir.
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Posted - 2010.02.13 00:20:00 -
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lol u mad?
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Dyson Veare
Ixion Defence Systems
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.02.13 00:23:00 -
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Its a warp gate, from point a to point b. Gates can't be counter, why should jump bridges? Its a large collide-able god damn object. My ship being jammed shouldn't affect another objects functionality. Mine fine, but a jbs's? I'm just sick of the ill logic this game expresses.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.02.13 00:23:00 -
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The same idiot who decided that jump mechanics would be over powered if every capital ship could just jump out any time they have a problem they cant handle... such an idiot!
Also - super capitals should also be able to jump out for the same reason that Cryson Veare wants to be able to jump out.
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Dyson Veare
Ixion Defence Systems
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.02.13 00:29:00 -
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Edited by: Dyson Veare on 13/02/2010 00:30:05
You just don't get it. Why should jamming a ship affect the ship? Why not have to jam the jump bridge instead. The mechanics are separate here and that's what your not getting, a jump bridge jumps you. Your ship isn't the one jumping you. So having a point on you stopping you at a jb actually is logically flawed.
JB uses fuel, jump bridge jumps you, ship has warp drives that its not using to jump. So therefore, flawed..
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.13 00:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Dyson Veare
Its a warp gate, from point a to point b. Gates can't be counter, why should jump bridges?
Because it's not a warp gate. It's a limited shortcut between systems that isn't universally available and which needs to have some limit to how easy people can get away when they mess up.
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I'm just sick of the ill logic this game expresses.
Logic is secondary quinary to gamepla and balance.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.02.13 00:32:00 -
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Edited by: Sig Sour on 13/02/2010 00:34:45
That's the game mechanics dude. If you want to design a better system, I suppose you could get with NASA and do some field testing.... 
and if you really insist on proper wording for what you are *****ing about:
"Being within the jump bridge proximity enables the warp drive on a conventional ship to operate as a jump drive does."
How's that Tears Furgison?
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Dyson Veare
Ixion Defence Systems
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.02.13 00:37:00 -
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You stupid ABSTARDS are not reading the point. The jump bridge is still jumping you, meaning it should be the target being scrammed, not your ship. The jump bridge is jumping you, therefor common sense would make it apparent that it would need to be jammed, not what its jumping. God how much more apparent do I have to make this observation to stupid for troll response kiddies.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.02.13 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dyson Veare
The jump bridge is still jumping you...
No it isn't, it only allows your warp drive to work as a jump drive.
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annoing
Amarr
Feudum Chalybis
Primary.
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Posted - 2010.02.13 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: Dyson Veare
You stupid ABSTARDS are not reading the point. The jump bridge is still jumping you, meaning it should be the target being scrammed, not your ship. The jump bridge is jumping you, therefor common sense would make it apparent that it would need to be jammed, not what its jumping. God how much more apparent do I have to make this observation to stupid for troll response kiddies.
/me picks up the dummy thrown from the crib and places it back into Dyson Veare's mouth
There there little one, there there
Originally by: Zeba
Its all the pron. Fappy people are happy people
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.13 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Dyson Veare
You stupid ABSTARDS are not reading the point.
Yes we are. You're just missing what we're saying: the logic of it is irrelevant – gameplay and balance take precedence.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.13 00:49:00 -
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A wizard did it. |
Taedrin
Gallente
The Green Cross
DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.02.13 00:49:00 -
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Insert some nonsense about warp scramblers doing something with space and energy which prevents your ship's warp engines from forming a "depleted vacuum bubble" which is somehow required for a twinned jump bridge to work correctly, but not a stargate. Probably because a jump bridge is a relatively small structures and probably outsources some of the functionality that a normal stargate has over to your ship's warp engine. Thus in order for a jump bridge to work correctly, it needs a ship's warp engine to be "unscrambled" so it can do it's space distortion thing correctly.
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Originally by: Dr Fighter
"how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Kijo Rikki
Caldari
Swarm of Angry Bees
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Posted - 2010.02.13 00:52:00 -
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OP could have worded a bit more diplomatically, but he's basically saying you should have to target the jump bridge to prevent warping. Which in the end, changes nothing.
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Cornaris
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Posted - 2010.02.13 01:14:00 -
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Real pirates camp jumpbridges - not jumpgates. |
Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.13 01:20:00 -
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well a stargate could never be jammed, they are bigger then and create a ton more energy then even a Titan. as they operate a stable wormhole.
that said if you put an Iris on an EVE stargate, how big of a thud would a battleship make?
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Ryhss
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.02.13 04:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dyson Veare
You stupid ABSTARDS are not reading the point. The jump bridge is still jumping you, meaning it should be the target being scrammed, not your ship. The jump bridge is jumping you, therefor common sense would make it apparent that it would need to be jammed, not what its jumping. God how much more apparent do I have to make this observation to stupid for troll response kiddies.
"Being within the jump bridge proximity enables the warp drive on a conventional ship to operate as a jump drive does." Read, learn how to.
This is my sig, stop reading. |
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.02.13 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ryhss
Originally by: Dyson Veare
You stupid ABSTARDS are not reading the point. The jump bridge is still jumping you, meaning it should be the target being scrammed, not your ship. The jump bridge is jumping you, therefor common sense would make it apparent that it would need to be jammed, not what its jumping. God how much more apparent do I have to make this observation to stupid for troll response kiddies.
"Being within the jump bridge proximity enables the warp drive on a conventional ship to operate as a jump drive does." Read, learn how to.
pwnt
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
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Joe Astor
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.02.13 05:54:00 -
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Wondered about similar situations myself recently.
If a Cap/Supercap pilot is being Warp Scrambled, are they able to jump to a cyno in another system in order to GTFO? 
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MooKids
Caldari
Azure Twilight Engineering
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Posted - 2010.02.13 06:12:00 -
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I would like to point out that warp jammers and scramblers don't jam your warp drive engine, they jam your navigation computer. If your ship can't calculate the jump/warp, it isn't going anywhere.
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2010.02.13 06:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Logic is secondary quinary to gamepla and balance.
Quinary is a number system with 5 as the base (just like binary is a number system with 2 as the base).
The equivalent of secondary is quintary.
Just wondering, what are the other 4 things?
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Qurex
Caldari
Quam Singulari
Session Changes
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Posted - 2010.02.13 09:28:00 -
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When has logic been part of this game anyway? |
Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.02.13 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Dyson Veare
Am I missing some rational logic here, the Jump Bridge is replacing the ships warp engines, so the jump bridge is warping the ship not the ship warping the jump bridge.
I was scrammed today and wasn't allowed to jump through the Jump Bridge. Who at ccp was playing idiot this time?
fail noob is fail.
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Bellum Eternus
Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Tier 5 Battleships
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.02.13 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Xennith
A wizard did it.
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Haks'he Lirky
Durgarnir
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Posted - 2010.02.13 10:17:00 -
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so let me get this straight, you want a "get out of jail free" card that lets you escape whenever you want?
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Callista Sincera
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.02.13 10:35:00 -
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Edited by: Callista Sincera on 13/02/2010 10:37:35
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Dyson Veare
You stupid ABSTARDS are not reading the point.
Yes we are. You're just missing what we're saying: the logic of it is irrelevant û gameplay and balance take precedence.
The question is at which point the experience begins to suffer from unintuitive gameplay. EVE has lots of these issues where a player can only guess (or memorize the entire evelopedia) what will happen next.
Imo, a dose of "common sense" wouldn't hurt the gameplay.
edit: I'm not saying he should have been able to warp away either. I'm saying there must be a more intuitive solution - in this case and many others (hello timers...).
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.13 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ban Doga
Originally by: Tippia
Logic is secondary quinary to gamepla and balance.
Quinary is a number system with 5 as the base (just like binary is a number system with 2 as the base).
The equivalent of secondary is quintary.
Not according to my dictionary. Quinary = of the fifth rank, or otherwise relating to the number 5 (including your definition). Quintary = N/A. Anyway…
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Just wondering, what are the other 4 things?
Gameplay and balance, twice over.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Usagi Tsukino
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.02.14 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Astor
Wondered about similar situations myself recently.
If a Cap/Supercap pilot is being Warp Scrambled, are they able to jump to a cyno in another system in order to GTFO?
The HIC bubble states that it prevents jump drive operation. Supercaps are otherwise immune to ewar, but I assume (not a capital pilot, so forgive me if I am wrong) you could try and cap out dreads and carriers that aren't sieged to try and prevent them from jumping.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Dynaverse Corporation
Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2010.02.14 02:02:00 -
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Hey, I like it.
Just scram the Jump Bridge and the whole fleet is unable to use it.
Very elegant, I'm sure this idea will gain sweeping support (from the janitorial staff).
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