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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.28 16:25:00 -
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Aryth wrote:That graph is a thing of beauty. I like it how it has 5 points too, with one little baby point down at the bottom. That was probably querns. You can just hear the glass shattering!
All my kills were on the 10th :colbert: |
Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.28 16:37:00 -
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So this has been a pretty wild ride, but I still have one more question -- when spitballing FW Forex, I thought of a crucial limitation to the whole shebang, and perhaps, in the spirit of amusement, one of you lovely CCP types could verify this for me. Is the column in the database tasked with storing a player's LP a signed 32-bit integer? I was legitimately worried that if we breached 2.1 billion LP, it would wrap around to a negative value. |
Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.28 16:39:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Querns wrote:So this has been a pretty wild ride, but I still have one more question -- when spitballing FW Forex, I thought of a crucial limitation to the whole shebang, and perhaps, in the spirit of amusement, one of you lovely CCP types could verify this for me. Is the column in the database tasked with storing a player's LP a signed 32-bit integer? I was legitimately worried that if we breached 2.1 billion LP, it would wrap around to a negative value. Also curious about this. We all assumed that it wasn't a signed 32-bit integer, because wallets aren't, but we definitely joked about it happening, and about what an entertaining petition it would make. Yeah, that would have probably been the best petition ever. "My Tribal Liberation Front LP is negative!!!!!" |
Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:00:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Nagapito wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: Nobody ever said anything about manipulating the market prices. What we said was that this could be done in such a way that lead to an artificial disparity (albeit one created by our own systems) between the real value of an item and the number we were calculating value based upon to magically die over and over again to gain another currency.
That's not "Market Manipulation" that's blowing someone up over and over again to magically get more money out of the same item.
So... This means that insurance fraud is actually an exploit? If, somehow, mineral prices hit the ground tomorrow and we start building and blowing ships for the insurance ISK, we are exploiting? As I said I won't deal in hypotheticals. That could certainly be the case but it could also not be. Are you printing money from nowhere? Is that printing being done in a tremendous volume? If either or both of those is yes then I think it's pretty fair to say we'd be pretty displeased. Printing money, or printing LP? There's a pretty big difference. Printing LP doesn't specifically print money; in fact, it reduces the amount of money in the economy by a nontrivial amount. |
Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:19:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:What is the value of LP by itself?
It's wholly dependent on the market. Earning LP doesn't actually generate you any money. Other players have to pay you in order for you to convert the currency to a meaningful state, unless you deal in a barter economy of skillbooks and starbase charters.
I won't disagree that generating hilarious amounts of LP is probably not right, but classifying it as "printing money" is just patently false.
Consider the (unlikely) situation in which CCP either hadn't noticed or didn't care about the FW forex actions. We would have generated infinite LP* (*note: probably no more than 2.1b at a time due to laffeaux signed 32-bit integer, and also it's not truly infinite because even the implants we manipulated had an isk cost to acquire, but that's just semantics.) Assuming that we were terrible at the game and were unable to show restraint in cashing out LP, prices for LP items would have steadily approached the isk cost of the items as LP value went to zero. At that point, you could hardly consider printing infinite LP to be "printing money" -- it's worthless! |
Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.28 20:43:00 -
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Dealth Striker wrote:Instead you do the work for them, wasting time and resources that could be spent on other paying subscribers.
fyi
this sort of **** is Darius "CCP 'Jersey' Sreegs" Johnson's job
they literally hire him to deal with this sort of ****
he is not somehow sucking work away from other developers or gms like some kind of effort hungry vampire
this is his job
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.28 20:47:00 -
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Dealth Striker wrote:"group decision" deciding what to do != doing it
EFFORT HUNGRY VAMPIRE
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.28 22:53:00 -
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Spaja Saist wrote: This just doesn't make any sense to me. A group of people exploited a game mechanic to make ungodly amounts of LP and ISK and you are rewarding them for it? I guarantee if this was anyone else but Goons they would have been banned.
CCP your favoritism is showing and not in a good way.
did you miss the part where we had our LP and assets (including a goodly portion of non-involved assets) seized pending investigation
because that was a thing that did and is still happening
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.28 22:57:00 -
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corestwo wrote:But but querns one of us will get two or three plexes out of the deal! I guess 2b isk is a lot to some people? :iiam: |
Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.28 23:15:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Weaselior wrote:I do have to wonder if 1000x the normal faction warfare lp being generated in a day doesn't "properly register" just how bonkers you would have to go before the person monitoring that stuff actually immediately grasped there was A Problem. By properly register he means that the output was bad not that we saw it and were like "Oh wow man those minmatar sure are aggressive folks". wait really
is the y-axis on the graph in the devblog logarithmic or something |
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.29 00:04:00 -
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Urgg Boolean wrote:ROFLMAO
I have always said that people who find exploits like this are: a) brilliant b) spend too much time in-game
I think CCP should hire those five guys to do testing. I'll bet they'll find all kinds of stuff while simultaneously being more effective than the current testers. ccp can't afford me, also I've worked in the video games industry so the novelty is lost on me |
Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.29 18:26:00 -
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Ethilia wrote:Aryth wrote:Ethilia wrote: Usually, hostile take overs by banks are done with $$$ and lawyers and not guns. Are you suggesting there will be a significant financial assault on Delve residents? If so I'd love to see a detailed post on how it was done and what impact it had.
I run the ship supply program for GSF. I often use my personal ISK to backstop the program and to perform hostile market activities. Pretty standard stuff in bloc level warfare I would think. At least from our point of view. Just isn't talked about cause it's only a handful of players doing it. (with a lot of assets) Maybe this is common knowledge, but it seems a lot of bloc warfare is funded by a small # of very rich players. Can you give a guesstimate on bloc funding breakdown by 1. isk from alliance activities (Technetium mining, taxes, etc.) 2. Player activities (ratting, mining, etc.) and 3. Rich player activities (CEO/Director 'salary/bonuses', stupid scale investments - 250b+, etc.). I'd be very interested in even a hand wavey guesstimate on what % of bloc activity costs (sov, super caps, ship replacement, whatever) are funded by each. a technetium moon is 12.6b a month in profit
do the math |
Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.29 19:17:00 -
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Yeah, VFK (the GOON CAPITAL) is the 6th largest market hub in the game, and the top nullsec market hub
That has a lot to do with how we are able to do the things we do |
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