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Mazca Lopez Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.02.15 13:41:00 - [31] Genos Occidere truely are good people. Many of us remember theire good work when they were part of the gurista associates alliance, and more recently the very succesfull "Burn Providence" campaign. It is only natural that they have taken measures to preserve theire hunting grounds that so graciously have provided them with soft targets in the past. I suspect they shall not remain pigdogs for very long, and in time im sure even their damaged reputation will bounce back. Best regards
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.02.15 13:45:00 - [32] Originally by: Reash In conclusion, no, we still do not allow pirates to operate in providence, even if they are a member of a holder corporation. Unless your being beaten seven ways from Sunday and are desperate for whatever help you can muster, in which case all sins are forgiven and pirates are magically reformed to citizens. Does the hypocrisy of the Amarrians truly know no bounds?
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.15 14:02:00 - [33] Originally by: ChipMo Originally by: Reash In conclusion, no, we still do not allow pirates to operate in providence, even if they are a member of a holder corporation. Unless your being beaten seven ways from Sunday and are desperate for whatever help you can muster, in which case all sins are forgiven and pirates are magically reformed to citizens. Does the hypocrisy of the Amarrians truly know no bounds? I can confirm that no rules have been changed, and we did not request Geno's assistance. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Mazca Lopez Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.02.15 14:34:00 - [34] Originally by: Reash Originally by: ChipMo Originally by: Reash In conclusion, no, we still do not allow pirates to operate in providence, even if they are a member of a holder corporation. Unless your being beaten seven ways from Sunday and are desperate for whatever help you can muster, in which case all sins are forgiven and pirates are magically reformed to citizens. Does the hypocrisy of the Amarrians truly know no bounds? I can confirm that no rules have been changed, and we did not request Geno's assistance. Technically it is not against any rules to sleep with your cousin either, infact some cultures even endorse it as common practice... and yet somehow you just have a feeling its wrong no??
Laichura Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.02.15 14:38:00 - [35] It seems to me that Genos Occidere, good farmers that they are, have come to tend the crops in the harsh weather that has now beset Providence, so that they may once again harvest the land in better times. Am I to understand that while the CVA strongly opposes the farmers of -A-, Sev3rance welcomes other farmers who now come forth to protect the crops? Why is the CVA not up in arms over this? Of course, as I am a mere student, I might be completely misinterpreting the situation. If so, I deeply apologize.
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.15 14:50:00 - [36] Edited by: Reash on 15/02/2010 14:50:36 Originally by: Mazca Lopez Technically it is not against any rules to sleep with your cousin either, infact some cultures even endorse it as common practice... and yet somehow you just have a feeling its wrong no?? I am not quite sure what minmatar mating practices have to do with this discussion. If you wish to discuss Genos in more detail i suggest contacting 7, as long as they obey the rules of providence they are not my concern. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Darveses DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.02.15 15:28:00 - [37] We should ask CVA for some space, it seems the chances of becoming a holder and ally have never been better! --- Star Fraction Public - Follow us on YouTube!
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.15 15:33:00 - [38] Originally by: Darveses We should ask CVA for some space, it seems the chances of becoming a holder and ally have never been better! Unless something has changed in Star fraction and you are willing to repent and accept the rules of providence then no. But of course, you know that. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Jessica Ovarde Gallente Verdant Inquiries Asomat Drive Yards	Posted - 2010.02.15 18:40:00 - [39] Originally by: Archbishop Betrayal, extortion, infiltration, sabotage and corp theft certainly seem to be gaining favor as the new Star Fraction method of operation. This is the second incident this week. Archbishop Ah, Archbishop. We haven't had the pleasure of speaking face to face, but rest assured, your reputation for being overdramatic precedes you. As I stated yesterday, -ADY- is completely unaffiliated with The Star Fraction. That our employee chose to use them as the medium for his strike is his choice to make, but does not change the fact that there has been no discussion between the two entities prior to this event. A fact that I am sure DED could clarify if they so chose. Unless you have information to the contrary, kindly butt out of this channel. There's already enough egos in here, and it's getting a little cramped with yours as well.
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.02.15 19:24:00 - [40] Originally by: Jessica Ovarde As I stated yesterday, -ADY- is completely unaffiliated with The Star Fraction. Except for close ties with Jericho Fraction pilot Sofia Roseburn, you mean. Remember that time she had you wardec this little Minmatar militia corporation because one of their pilots hurt her feelings at Lei Weici Teahouse? We remember. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Kel'taith Eve Defence Force Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.02.15 19:26:00 - [41] Let me see if I understand this. You wasted a spy in a useless alliance in order to eject some useless t1 ****s and a single HIC. Most of which you lost and then you went nave in stealth bombers and managed to bomb each other while killing a bunch of t1 ships failing for at least the fourth time in a day and now your bragging about it? Atleast your happy...
Jessica Ovarde Gallente Verdant Inquiries Asomat Drive Yards	Posted - 2010.02.15 19:48:00 - [42] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Jessica Ovarde As I stated yesterday, -ADY- is completely unaffiliated with The Star Fraction. Except for close ties with Jericho Fraction pilot Sofia Roseburn, you mean. Remember that time she had you wardec this little Minmatar militia corporation because one of their pilots hurt her feelings at Lei Weici Teahouse? We remember. Who was not in Jericho Fraction at the time. Whilst I will agree with you on the fact that Sofia has had close ties to -ADY- for much of it's existance (she ran the corporation for a significant period of time: 01.02.110 to 01.10.110), her influence on the corporation became minimal once she stepped down from her role in the directorate. The point is, however, irrelevant. Your apparent obsession with her is something that you should take up with the Fraction, not with myself, and certainly not in this channel. The fact that you feel the need to barge in here on a whim so that you can bang on about a topic that has no relevance to the one at hand says rather a lot about you, and your corporation.
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.02.15 19:56:00 - [43] Originally by: Jessica Ovarde Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Jessica Ovarde As I stated yesterday, -ADY- is completely unaffiliated with The Star Fraction. Except for close ties with Jericho Fraction pilot Sofia Roseburn, you mean. Remember that time she had you wardec this little Minmatar militia corporation because one of their pilots hurt her feelings at Lei Weici Teahouse? We remember. Who was not in Jericho Fraction at the time. Irrelevant. You claimed to be completely unaffiliated with -SF- now. In reality, you're a cat's paw for -SF- pilot Sofia Roseburn. That's a very clear affiliation. At the time -ADY- declared war on Du'uma Fiisi, Roseburn was in MEK Enterprises - not on -ADY-'s directorate, yet had "influence" enough to have you wardec on a whim. During the encounter between Roseburn and Marius Mullis at the Teahouse, Roseburn excuses herself for a moment. Three minutes later, we receive the wardec notification and she returns to that conversation. It has nothing to do with 'obsession', Ovarde. If we were 'obsessed' with Roseburn or anyone else in -SF- they'd be red and we'd be taking an interest in the numerous other -SF- related threads. As it stands, they're neutral and we are watching with glee as they put increasing pressure on Sev3rance, including the event detailed in the original post of this very thread - good show. I'm responding directly to your claims of being 'completely unaffiliated' with -SF-, which is quite relevant to the topic at hand. You're a liar and you've been called on it. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Jessica Ovarde Gallente Verdant Inquiries Asomat Drive Yards	Posted - 2010.02.15 20:12:00 - [44] Edited by: Jessica Ovarde on 15/02/2010 20:13:08 Originally by: Havohej Irrelevant. You claimed to be completely unaffiliated with -SF- now. In reality, you're a cat's paw for -SF- pilot Sofia Roseburn. That's a very clear affiliation. It really isn't. You've yet to provide evidence to link the two of us together besides the fact that we have a match in our corporate histories. That's about as much of a link as me claiming that you are her lover purely on the principle that you have spoken to each other in the past. Originally by: Havohej At the time -ADY- declared war on Du'uma Fiisi, Roseburn was in MEK Enterprises - not on -ADY-'s directorate, yet had "influence" enough to have you wardec on a whim. During the encounter between Roseburn and Marius Mullis at the Teahouse, Roseburn excuses herself for a moment. Three minutes later, we receive the wardec notification and she returns to that conversation. Yes, it was a war declaration funded by Captain Roseburn, as a client. Corporate espionage isn't the only service that we have provided over the years. Originally by: Havohej As it stands, they're neutral and we are watching with glee as they put increasing pressure on Sev3rance, including the event detailed in the original post of this very thread - good show. My thanks. I have to admit, from a personal standpoint I am somewhat pleased that our operative chose The Star Fraction. I'm a great fan of what they do. Originally by: Havohej I'm responding directly to your claims of being 'completely unaffiliated' with -SF-, which is quite relevant to the topic at hand. You're a liar and you've been called on it. When you provide more than a chatlog that documents a verbal spat and an irrelevant business transaction, perhaps we can have a more constructive conversation. As it stands at present, all that will come of this is a statement from yourself, and a retort from me. I have the utmost respect for you as a pilot of the Minmatar Militia, but I will not grant you the argument that you appear to desperately seek. Good hunting Mr. Havohej. Your attentions are best served in places where you can actually make a difference, not in ones where your history is known to most.
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.02.15 20:13:00 - [45] I'm not reading all that garbage from you, Ovarde. Fact of the matter is, your connection with SF was commented on, you denied it, and I highlighted the lie with proof to the contrary. That's really the end of my interest here (aside from the suffering of Sev3rance, of course). Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Jessica Ovarde Gallente Verdant Inquiries Asomat Drive Yards	Posted - 2010.02.15 20:17:00 - [46] Originally by: Havohej I'm not reading all that garbage from you, Ovarde. Fact of the matter is, your connection with SF was commented on, you denied it, and I highlighted the lie with proof to the contrary. That's really the end of my interest here (aside from the suffering of Sev3rance, of course). It appears that in your case ignorance is bliss Mr. Havohej. Your inability to provide any substantial evidence (read: something other than an irrelevant chatlog) speaks volumes.
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.02.15 20:31:00 - [47] Edited by: Havohej on 15/02/2010 20:36:40 Originally by: Jessica Ovarde It appears that in your case ignorance is bliss Mr. Havohej. Your inability to provide any substantial evidence (read: something other than an irrelevant chatlog) speaks volumes. Your own words, then. Quote: [ 2009.06.22 22:28:59 ] Havohej > You mentioned a CEO... but you're the listed CEO of VERDA. Are you referring to Sofia Roseburn or somebody else? [ 2009.06.22 22:29:25 ] Jessica Ovarde > I am interested to know what makes you assume that. [ 2009.06.22 22:29:46 ] Havohej > I've heard of Verdant Inquiries before. [ 2009.06.22 22:30:23 ] Havohej > I used half-remembered snippets as a starting point for ferreting out other information once I got the notice from CONCORD; nothing remarkable, really. [ 2009.06.22 22:31:23 ] Havohej > Alright... I see the exchange with Vormar, now. [ 2009.06.22 22:31:30 ] Jessica Ovarde > And I have heard of your corporation before matari, but I do not assume that there is a higher power than yourself. [ 2009.06.22 22:31:38 ] Havohej > I'm still waiting to find out what might've happened between you and Maximullis. [ 2009.06.22 22:32:20 ] Havohej > You threw me off when you mentioned a CEO - the wording suggested you meant someone besides yourself; if I misunderstood, I apologize. [ 2009.06.22 22:33:47 ] Jessica Ovarde > I am not denying the fact that I am merely the second rung on the ladder, but your assumption was rather notable. [ 2009.06.22 22:34:27 ] Havohej > I've just gotten a recording from a teahouse.. is that the exchange with Maximullis that's caused part of this? [ 2009.06.22 22:35:45 ] Jessica Ovarde > Apparently so. [ 2009.06.22 22:36:15 ] Jessica Ovarde > I am merely working off a note requesting a war declaration. I don't question my superiors. [ 2009.06.22 22:37:07 ] Havohej > Hm. Any bad blood spawned between you and Elmo Vormar was most certainly Elmo's fault, I agree... the exchange between Sofia Roseburn and Marius Mullis was definitely not Marius' fault - he was quite reasonable throughout. So, where do we go from here? [ 2009.06.22 22:37:41 ] Jessica Ovarde > My superior feels otherwise. Clients are not referred to as "superiors" by the people contacting them. You yourself admitted to being the 'second rung' despite being listed as the CEO of your corporation, which is the Executor corporation of -ADY- and referred to Roseburn repeatedly as your "superior" - implicit though it was, given the context your words throughout our conversation and the full disclosure of available information posted to our membership at the time (declassified today for the purpose of making it available for public perusal) there is no reasonable possibility that this "superior" could be anyone other than Roseburn. That, taken in combination with the other facts gathered when we first received notice of the wardec are proof enough for us and I'm certain will be proof enough for anyone else interested in whether or not you remain a cat's paw for Roseburn and thus affiliated with The Star Fraction. Your arguments, which amount to little more than ad hominems against me and crying "nu-uh!" at the top of your lungs, on the other hand, do nothing at all to disprove your connection to Star Fraction via Roseburn. You can deny it until you're blue in the face, it's not going to matter any. With that, my participation in this topic is at its end. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.02.15 20:36:00 - [48] Ties to one member of Star Fraction != ties to Star Fraction. "Star Fraction" is the banner we all fly under, if an entity is to be affiliated with that then its something we all work with such as our current relationship with CRMSN, or our work with ROSS & other Militia elements. That is not the case here. My thanks to Gelo Breen regardless of his motives, it was an interesting operation.
Jessica Ovarde Gallente Verdant Inquiries Asomat Drive Yards	Posted - 2010.02.15 20:41:00 - [49] Originally by: Havohej You can deny it until you're blue in the face, it's not going to matter any. With that, my participation in this topic is at its end. Indeed. Your whole argument focuses on the fact that you belive Captain Roseburn was my superior, a fact which you can insinuate, but cannot prove. Try again next time Matari. I don't take kindly to smear campaigns, no matter how badly they are assembled.
Hugh Hefner Caldari Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2010.02.15 23:14:00 - [50] Originally by: Mazca Lopez Technically it is not against any rules to sleep with your cousin either, infact some cultures even endorse it as common practice... and yet somehow you just have a feeling its wrong no?? Please keep your RL-practises away from this forum, some might take offense
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.02.15 23:15:00 - [51] Originally by: Frygok Could you enlighten me on the stance regarding pirates in Providence? Seeing as a notorious pirate corporation which has used many the above-mentioned methods and proudly stated this elsewhere, and has also hunted pod pilots in Providence, just recently joined Sev3rance Alliance... One would assume that the alliance would be kicked out by the rest of Providence, as per the regulations made clear by CVA, they are responsible for the doings of their corporations and individual members. I'm not familiar with the corporation you mention. Perhaps you should contact a CVA diplomat about your concerns? My comment was simply an observation that this is the second incident/thread in a week where betrayal, infiltration, sabotage and corp theft were employed by the Star Fraction as methods of operation. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.02.15 23:20:00 - [52] Originally by: Jessica Ovarde Ah, Archbishop. We haven't had the pleasure of speaking face to face, but rest assured, your reputation for being overdramatic precedes you. As I stated yesterday, -ADY- is completely unaffiliated with The Star Fraction. That our employee chose to use them as the medium for his strike is his choice to make, but does not change the fact that there has been no discussion between the two entities prior to this event. A fact that I am sure DED could clarify if they so chose. Let me guess... The Star Fraction pilot just happened to be flying through and you said "hey, lets rob this POS" and he said "sure... why not". It was all a coincidence and you had never talked before hand. Of course thats completely possible... just amazingly unbelievable. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
Darveses DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.02.15 23:30:00 - [53] Edited by: Darveses on 15/02/2010 23:30:47 Originally by: Archbishop Let me guess... The Star Fraction pilot just happened to be flying through and you said "hey, lets rob this POS" and he said "sure... why not". It was all a coincidence and you had never talked before hand. Considering Operation Black Lustrum takes place in Providence it is indeed quite unlikely to meet us there. sighs --- Star Fraction Public - Follow us on YouTube!
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.02.15 23:32:00 - [54] Originally by: Darveses Considering Operation Black Lustrum takes place in Providence it is indeed quite unlikely to meet us there. sighs So you're saying a Star Fraction pilot... out of the blue... participated in a corp theft operation without even knowing the thief? Thats quite a confession. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.02.15 23:34:00 - [55] Originally by: Frygok Originally by: Archbishop Betrayal, extortion, infiltration, sabotage and corp theft certainly seem to be gaining favor as the new Star Fraction method of operation. This is the second incident this week. Archbishop Seeing as a notorious pirate corporation which has used many the above-mentioned methods and proudly stated this elsewhere To clear things up, the only one of those 5 sins we have ever committed in our unfortunate history is infiltration on a basic level. We have never sabotaged a corp from the inside, stolen their assets, betrayed an alliance, or attempted to extort on a corporation level. The only demands we have ever made have been to reimburse ships lost to dishonorable acts (such as pilots breaking agreed 1vs1s). ---
Jessica Ovarde Gallente Verdant Inquiries Asomat Drive Yards	Posted - 2010.02.15 23:38:00 - [56] Originally by: Archbishop Originally by: Darveses Considering Operation Black Lustrum takes place in Providence it is indeed quite unlikely to meet us there. sighs So you're saying a Star Fraction pilot... out of the blue... participated in a corp theft operation without even knowing the thief? Thats quite a confession. Archbishop You'd have to ask Gelo Breen about that, and he seems to be having a small amount of stockholm syndrome.
Fridarey Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.02.15 23:57:00 - [57] Originally by: Archbishop So you're saying a Star Fraction pilot... out of the blue... participated in a corp theft operation without even knowing the thief? Thats quite a confession. Are you really suggesting that Star Fraction should refuse to shoot a bunch of wardec target ships in 0.0 Providence just because they are thrown out of the ship storage array by an angry Sev3rance dissident? You really live in an alternative reality you toothless old fool. To clarify. We would not infiltrate a target organization for the express purpose of doing this. But if an alliance/corp treats its members so badly they feel obliged to offline towers and eject corp assets into the void we'll certainly help destroy them. Its about time for your medication. You are trying so hard to taint SF for with the hypocrisy of your own organization its beginning to make your veins bulge.
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.02.16 00:27:00 - [58] Originally by: Archbishop So you're saying a Star Fraction pilot... out of the blue... participated in a corp theft operation without even knowing the thief? Thats quite a confession. Archbishop That is almost exactly what happened. I was one of the pilots who actually stole a -7- vessel (keep your eyes out for "-JFS- Spoils of War" folks *ChipMo winks). One of our pilots was contacted and told -7- pos hangars will be emptied and the tower put off line, we were to "do what you will". After a frantic scramble and initial conserns that this was some sort of trap we got into position & grabed what we could. After -7- response fleet was on the field and there was only like 5 of us involved we decided to bomb the massive ship cache into oblivion than see it fall back into enemy hands. You can see the results of that in the initial report posted by VERDA.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.02.16 00:32:00 - [59] Originally by: ChipMo Originally by: Archbishop So you're saying a Star Fraction pilot... out of the blue... participated in a corp theft operation without even knowing the thief? Thats quite a confession. Archbishop That is almost exactly what happened. I was one of the pilots who actually stole a -7- vessel (keep your eyes out for "-JFS- Spoils of War" folks ChipMo winks). One of our pilots was contacted and told -7- pos hangars will be emptied and the tower put off line, we were to "do what you will". After a frantic scramble and initial conserns that this was some sort of trap we got into position & grabed what we could. After -7- response fleet was on the field and there was only like 5 of us involved we decided to bomb the massive ship cache into oblivion than see it fall back into enemy hands. You can see the results of that in the initial report posted by VERDA. I'm glad to see you confess it is good for the soul you know. Of course your story about coincidently flying by when this happend seems doubtful but it is entertaining. Tell me... were you in the same system when this occurred or were you contacted via comms by the "dissident" as you called him? I'm asking because while Star Fraction is on a campaign attacking mining barges and worrying about indices the -A- alliance is fielding the military firepower here according to all indications. Thus I assume the "dissident" would call them* as they were the active military force attacking -7-. Unless you were just flying by and contacted in local? Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.02.16 01:37:00 - [60] We are perfectly capable of mounting military offensives when suitable opportunities arise, we by no means restrain ourselves to industrial targets. They are just our prime prey at the moment. Perhaps Gelo did contact other forces, and we were just the quickest to act on the intelligence?

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