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Jessica Ovarde
Gallente
Verdant Inquiries
Asomat Drive Yards
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Posted - 2010.02.14 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Jessica Ovarde on 14/02/2010 22:54:29
Today a VERDA operative struck at the heart of Sev3rance operations, wreaking havoc to their economic backbone. Our operative, who cannot be named for security reasons, caused BILLIONS of ISKs worth of damage to the CVA slave alliance, severely damaging their combat capabilities and adding another black mark to their already floundering morale. Working with Star Fraction free captains, the VERDA operative used his privileged position in the IronPig corporation to eject all of the ships from several Ship Maintenance Arrays at their starbase orbiting moon twelve of the eighth planet in the KBP7-G system. The results of which can be seen in this image, as taken by a Star Fraction pilotÆs camera drone who was on site as the situation developed.
Using superior intelligence and tactics, the Fractionite pilots purloined several ships from the stricken tower including a Typhoon class battleship, Harbinger and Myrmidon class battlecruisers, and a Devoter class heavy interdictor. Alas, even the superior skills of the Fractionite pilots could not stop the slaves of Sev3rance from hindering the DevoterÆs escape, which was destroyed by CVA slaves desperately scrabbling to keep a hold on the RAPIDLY ESCALATING situation. With a ragtag -7- fleet now on the field, and the operative subdued for the moment, the brave Fractionite pilots who had already secured the ships returned in bombers, equipped to cleanse the field of the squabbling foe.
Once again seizing the initiative as the VERDA operative managed to disrupt the pigdogs attempt at asset protection the bomber squadron struck, bravely launching munitions into the tightly packed cluster of both piloted and unpiloted ships with no fear for their lives. Their lives were not sacrificed in vain, however, as this image shows. The glorious pilots of the revolution had caused untold BILLIONS worth of damage to the group, completely wrecking many of the ships that had been left floating in the void, their pilotÆs fittings clearly suboptimal against the munitions laid against them.
Leaving the starbase situation in the capable hands of the free captains, the operative then proceeded to lift from the coffers of the pigdogs, securing at least half a billion ISK a daring snatch and grab attempt. Sev3rance morale continues to be at an all time low, with several more prominent members of their oligarchy venting their rage at their massed ranks:
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fire elf > **** ****s..
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GanSho > those metagaming ******s will pay for it.
VERDA military experts are not sure what metagaming ******s are, but our operatives will continue their eternal vigilance in the war against the holders of Providence.
VERDA will prevail!
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.02.14 22:55:00 -
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Delicious.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
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Ben Booley
Genos Occidere
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.14 22:56:00 -
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Much as VERDA would dearly like to believe their supremacy, their inability to report the correct system name works against them. Their operation, which is but a minor blow, possibly even a tickle, took place in KBP7-G, not KBPG-7, which is not a system that even exists.
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Jessica Ovarde
Gallente
Verdant Inquiries
Asomat Drive Yards
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Posted - 2010.02.14 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ben Booley
Much as VERDA would dearly like to believe their supremacy, their inability to report the correct system name works against them. Their operation, which is but a minor blow, possibly even a tickle, took place in KBP7-G, not KBPG-7, which is not a system that even exists.
Thank you for informing me of this. Our operatives, in their haste, did not have time to proof read this press release before publication. It has been dealt with.
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Svenjabi Xiang
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.14 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ben Booley
Much as VERDA would dearly like to believe their supremacy, their inability to report the correct system name works against them. Their operation, which is but a minor blow, possibly even a tickle, took place in KBP7-G, not KBPG-7, which is not a system that even exists.
If spelling is the best retort you can manage, I feel sorry for you.
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.14 23:02:00 -
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Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 14/02/2010 23:02:36
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Darveses
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.14 23:02:00 -
[7]
Originally by: Ben Booley
KBP7-G, not KBPG-7
Best you can do?
My salutations to VERDA, delicious Operation indeed.
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Snakester
Caldari
IronPig
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.14 23:44:00 -
[8]
Originally by: Jessica Ovarde
VERDA will prevail!( and other hurf blurf)
I'd like to thank Verda for creating "Agents" with a concience then, as it stands, the said "Agent", put all he took back into corp hanger and even gave our wonderful CEO Furiouspig 10 billion isk to cover losses, damn were gonna fold.
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Jessica Ovarde
Gallente
Verdant Inquiries
Asomat Drive Yards
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Posted - 2010.02.14 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Snakester
Originally by: Jessica Ovarde
VERDA will prevail!( and other hurf blurf)
I'd like to thank Verda for creating "Agents" with a concience then, as it stands, the said "Agent", put all he took back into corp hanger and even gave our wonderful CEO Furiouspig 10 billion isk to cover losses, damn were gonna fold.
Evidence, Mr. Snakester, it all comes down to evidence; something which you seem to have a lack of. Perhaps when you can provide some, instead of spinning all the way down the New Eden pipe and back, we might get somewhere.
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Snakester
Caldari
IronPig
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.14 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Svenjabi Xiang
Originally by: Ben Booley
Much as VERDA would dearly like to believe their supremacy, their inability to report the correct system name works against them. Their operation, which is but a minor blow, possibly even a tickle, took place in KBP7-G, not KBPG-7, which is not a system that even exists.
If spelling is the best retort you can manage, I feel sorry for you.
LOL, Funny thing is ben was saying allday he was gonna rat and loose it. u guys have no idea how Genos roll do you ehehe.
I thought SF didnt hire mercs?, but its ok for members to do it tho? this is a bit of one of the many evemails tomahawk bliss has sent me, until i had to block him because my eyes were getting sore from his wall of texts saying how good an FC he is.
From: Tomahawk Bliss
Sent: 2010.02.12 01:54
To: Snakester,
SF? naw they don't do mercs. I did, they are buds of mine. I have a friend who runs a corp in their alliance and i wanted them to be able to shoot you guys. they were in the big POS fight where you guys never showed up cuz you couldn't out blob us.
So, do SF allow there pilots to hire mercs to fight there wars for them?
Snake.
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Snakester
Caldari
IronPig
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.14 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Jessica Ovarde
Originally by: Snakester
Originally by: Jessica Ovarde
VERDA will prevail!( and other hurf blurf)
I'd like to thank Verda for creating "Agents" with a concience then, as it stands, the said "Agent", put all he took back into corp hanger and even gave our wonderful CEO Furiouspig 10 billion isk to cover losses, damn were gonna fold.
Evidence, Mr. Snakester, it all comes down to evidence; something which you seem to have a lack of. Perhaps when you can provide some, instead of spinning all the way down the New Eden pipe and back, we might get somewhere.
I can ask the said "agent" to post here if u'd like, dunno if he will tho, he's already edited out his forum post in this link http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1269346
I think your just a SF troll trying to claim u had something to do with it, where it was just an ironpig pilot who got the hump and tried to give us a big FU as he left towards star trek online.
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GanSho
Mystic Lion Hearts
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.14 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jessica Ovarde
Sev3rance morale continues to be at an all time low, with several more prominent members of their oligarchy venting their rage at their massed ranks:
The Star Fraction seems to be pretty desperate if they have to kill unpiloted ships to achieve anything even remotely noteworthy. The VERDA operative has returned all stolen goods and payed for all damage he has inflicted. So my "rage" assumption was pretty correct.
Anyway, Star Fraction managed to lose more than half a dozen (piloted - not very good obviously, but nonetheless) ships today. If anything, our morale and motivation to fight them has just grown stronger with this incident, there will certainly be no hopes for peace for The Star Fraction anytime soon.
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.15 00:00:00 -
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bravado aside, you may want to put your own house in order, Snakester. Looks like it needs it.
If you'd like to enquire as to my past associations, friends, allies and prior careers then please feel free to view my public and available corp history.
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Svenjabi Xiang
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.15 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Snakester
Originally by: Svenjabi Xiang
Originally by: Ben Booley
Much as VERDA would dearly like to believe their supremacy, their inability to report the correct system name works against them. Their operation, which is but a minor blow, possibly even a tickle, took place in KBP7-G, not KBPG-7, which is not a system that even exists.
If spelling is the best retort you can manage, I feel sorry for you.
LOL, Funny thing is ben was saying allday he was gonna rat and loose it. u guys have no idea how Genos roll do you ehehe.
I thought SF didnt hire mercs?, but its ok for members to do it tho? this is a bit of one of the many evemails tomahawk bliss has sent me, until i had to block him because my eyes were getting sore from his wall of texts saying how good an FC he is.
From: Tomahawk Bliss
Sent: 2010.02.12 01:54
To: Snakester,
SF? naw they don't do mercs. I did, they are buds of mine. I have a friend who runs a corp in their alliance and i wanted them to be able to shoot you guys. they were in the big POS fight where you guys never showed up cuz you couldn't out blob us.
So, do SF allow there pilots to hire mercs to fight there wars for them?
Snake.
He didn't want that Paladin anyway? By all means, keep rolling.
As for Mr. Bliss, your report of mail is unverified so I could hardly care less about some supposed communication you may have concocted for the eyes of the readers.
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.15 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: GanSho
Originally by: Jessica Ovarde
Anyway, Star Fraction managed to lose more than half a dozen (piloted - not very good obviously, but nonetheless) ships today. If anything, our morale and motivation to fight them has just grown stronger with this incident, there will certainly be no hopes for peace for The Star Fraction anytime soon.
saved for posterity.
what a brilliant argumentative counter! SF lost six suicide ships to kill a vast blob worth billions! the calamity! the horror!
what you have noticed from your pilots is not increased Moral, it is Anger. The Outrage towards us will aid you in the short term, but behind that anger is the disappointment in poorly organized leadership and a string of failures starting from the support of CVA's attempted expansion.
have a care for when your pilot's anger turns and they realize the choices being made are but for the egos of a few at the top while the alternatives offered are designed to benefit the rank and file.
I wait and wonder what your next move will be.
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Snakester
Caldari
IronPig
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.15 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 15/02/2010 00:07:18
Originally by: GanSho
Anyway, Star Fraction managed to lose more than half a dozen (piloted - not very good obviously, but nonetheless) ships today. If anything, our morale and motivation to fight them has just grown stronger with this incident, there will certainly be no hopes for peace for The Star Fraction anytime soon.
saved for posterity.
what a brilliant argumentative counter! SF lost six suicide ships to kill a vast blob worth billions! the calamity! the horror!
what you have noticed from your pilots is not increased Moral, it is Anger. The Outrage towards us will aid you in the short term, but behind that anger is the disappointment in poorly organized leadership and a string of failures starting from the support of CVA's attempted expansion.
have a care for when your pilot's anger turns and they realize the choices being made are but for the egos of a few at the top while the alternatives offered are designed to benefit the rank and file.
I wait and wonder what your next move will be.
Pls verify to svenji that u sent that evemail to me.
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Jessica Ovarde
Gallente
Verdant Inquiries
Asomat Drive Yards
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Posted - 2010.02.15 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: GanSho
Originally by: Jessica Ovarde
Sev3rance morale continues to be at an all time low, with several more prominent members of their oligarchy venting their rage at their massed ranks:
The Star Fraction seems to be pretty desperate if they have to kill unpiloted ships to achieve anything even remotely noteworthy. The VERDA operative has returned all stolen goods and payed for all damage he has inflicted. So my "rage" assumption was pretty correct.
Anyway, Star Fraction managed to lose more than half a dozen (piloted - not very good obviously, but nonetheless) ships today. If anything, our morale and motivation to fight them has just grown stronger with this incident, there will certainly be no hopes for peace for The Star Fraction anytime soon.
Desperate to kill unpiloted ships? Oh my. A ship is a corporate asset, piloted or not, and as such it is an economic loss to the individual and/or corporation no matter what way you try to spin it. The fact that the ships were stored in an unsecure location are merely testament to the incompetence of -7- pilots, and The Star Fraction pilots dealt with the situation accordingly.
When it comes down to it however, -ADY- is merely a facilitator, and as such has no real stake in the ongoing fighting in the Providence region, nor with the entities involved. As a result, arguing about Star Fraction losses on this part of GalNet is pretty much pointless.
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Gelo Breen
IronPig
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.15 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Snakester
Originally by: Jessica Ovarde
Originally by: Snakester
Originally by: Jessica Ovarde
VERDA will prevail!( and other hurf blurf)
I'd like to thank Verda for creating "Agents" with a concience then, as it stands, the said "Agent", put all he took back into corp hanger and even gave our wonderful CEO Furiouspig 10 billion isk to cover losses, damn were gonna fold.
Evidence, Mr. Snakester, it all comes down to evidence; something which you seem to have a lack of. Perhaps when you can provide some, instead of spinning all the way down the New Eden pipe and back, we might get somewhere.
I can ask the said "agent" to post here if u'd like, dunno if he will tho, he's already edited out his forum post in this link http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1269346
I think your just a SF troll trying to claim u had something to do with it, where it was just an ironpig pilot who got the hump and tried to give us a big FU as he left towards star trek online.
Corp belongings are currently in the Sev3rance Corp hangar. 10B is in the CEO wallet.
 
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Jessica Ovarde
Gallente
Verdant Inquiries
Asomat Drive Yards
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Posted - 2010.02.15 00:25:00 -
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Edited by: Jessica Ovarde on 15/02/2010 00:26:26
Originally by: Gelo Breen
Corp belongings are currently in the Sev3rance Corp hangar. 10B is in the CEO wallet.
Your steadfast dedication to Verdant Inquiries, and to the ongoing operations in the Providence area at this time are duly noted Gelo. Rest assured, you are indeed a shining example of what every patriot of the State should aspire to.
I may be your CEO, and a Gallentean, but I can still bow to your unfettered dedication to the service that Verdant Inquiries provides. Even when your face is shown to the general public you hold your head high and continue with the task that has been assigned to you. Good job!
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Snakester
Caldari
IronPig
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.15 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Gelo Breen
Corp belongings are currently in the Sev3rance Corp hangar. 10B is in the CEO wallet.
Can't get more solid evidence than a post by the "agent" LOL, i'm just sorry a longtime alliance mate felt he needed to express himself like this, its also a pity its blown all out of proportion on this forum by the exploiters, the worst thing this guy did was contact star fiction and give them propaganda.
to any corp /alliance he goes to or ends up in, this is very out of character of him, 1st ive seen him emo'd in the 5 years ive known him.
sorry to see u go gelo \o fly safe
Snake.
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Ben Booley
Genos Occidere
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.15 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Svenjabi Xiang
He didn't want that Paladin anyway? By all means, keep rolling.
As for Mr. Bliss, your report of mail is unverified so I could hardly care less about some supposed communication you may have concocted for the eyes of the readers.
I believe you may have misunderstood something. Although I did want that Paladin, and do regret losing it, I do not have any particular care in the matter. My ship was exploded and will be replaced, it happens to be what happens to ships. Although you may believe that it was a significant financial blow to Sev3rance, Genos Occidere, and myself, it was quite minor, with no effect on either my corporation or alliance, and but a minor one on my wallet.
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Jessica Ovarde
Gallente
Verdant Inquiries
Asomat Drive Yards
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Posted - 2010.02.15 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Snakester
Can't get more solid evidence than a post by the "agent"
Words are words, they are not the hard evidence that camera drones and the like can provide. Until you provide the latter, your words are merely hollow shells for the lies that you continue to speak.
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Punx Evangeline
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.15 02:13:00 -
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Mr. Gelo Breen,
I just wanted to thank you for contacting me earlier today. If you ever want to stick it to the provi-pigs again I'm there for you.
Thanks again,
-Punx
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Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.15 11:48:00 -
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Betrayal, extortion, infiltration, sabotage and corp theft certainly seem to be gaining favor as the new Star Fraction method of operation. This is the second incident this week.
Archbishop
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Nur AlHuda
Amarr
Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2010.02.15 12:49:00 -
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Well the case with returned assets and money realy backfired on SF and company. I hope Sev3erance will be more cautious.
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Frygok
Minmatar
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.15 12:51:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Archbishop
Betrayal, extortion, infiltration, sabotage and corp theft certainly seem to be gaining favor as the new Star Fraction method of operation. This is the second incident this week.
Archbishop
Could you enlighten me on the stance regarding pirates in Providence? Seeing as a notorious pirate corporation which has used many the above-mentioned methods and proudly stated this elsewhere, and has also hunted pod pilots in Providence, just recently joined Sev3rance Alliance... One would assume that the alliance would be kicked out by the rest of Providence, as per the regulations made clear by CVA, they are responsible for the doings of their corporations and individual members.
But I suppose it is alright for the Providence sychophants to have notorious pirates helping out, while spewing forth the "You are terrorists and pirates" propaganda at any given chance upon your enemies?
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Reash
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.15 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Frygok
Originally by: Archbishop
Betrayal, extortion, infiltration, sabotage and corp theft certainly seem to be gaining favor as the new Star Fraction method of operation. This is the second incident this week.
Archbishop
Could you enlighten me on the stance regarding pirates in Providence? Seeing as a notorious pirate corporation which has used many the above-mentioned methods and proudly stated this elsewhere, and has also hunted pod pilots in Providence, just recently joined Sev3rance Alliance... One would assume that the alliance would be kicked out by the rest of Providence, as per the regulations made clear by CVA, they are responsible for the doings of their corporations and individual members.
But I suppose it is alright for the Providence sychophants to have notorious pirates helping out, while spewing forth the "You are terrorists and pirates" propaganda at any given chance upon your enemies?
I believe i know of the corporation you are hinting at. And if i am correct, these individuals have agreed to obey the laws of providence, while their history is concerning, and they shall be watched, for the time being at least they have been true to their word, and while their history is not forgotten they are at least in some way earning their redemption.
Perhaps there is hope for them to be saved yet.
In conclusion, no, we still do not allow pirates to operate in providence, even if they are a member of a holder corporation.
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Captain Blauvelt
Gallente
New Eden Redistribution
Dhanab Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.02.15 13:17:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Reash
In conclusion, no, we still do not allow pirates to operate in providence, even if they are a member of a holder corporation.
I'm not sure if YOU are in position to allow or not allow anything since -A- now rules your space. But I'm curious, does it mean that you have set -7- KOS because they now have Genos, a long time providence pirate in their ranks?
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Reash
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.15 13:21:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Captain Blauvelt
Originally by: Reash
In conclusion, no, we still do not allow pirates to operate in providence, even if they are a member of a holder corporation.
I'm not sure if YOU are in position to allow or not allow anything since -A- now rules your space. But I'm curious, does it mean that you have set -7- KOS because they now have Genos, a long time providence pirate in their ranks?
No, Genos are obeying the rules of providence, citizens should report any such attacks to the usual channels.
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Namelessness
Amarr
KINGS OF EDEN
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.15 13:29:00 -
[30]
Why not check Genos killboard and get your answers for yourself, or even better, if you truly seek an answer you would have asked a Genos or -7- Diplomat directly, tisk tisk.
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Mazca Lopez
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.15 13:41:00 -
[31]
Genos Occidere truely are good people. Many of us remember theire good work when they were part of the gurista associates alliance, and more recently the very succesfull "Burn Providence" campaign. It is only natural that they have taken measures to preserve theire hunting grounds that so graciously have provided them with soft targets in the past. I suspect they shall not remain pigdogs for very long, and in time im sure even their damaged reputation will bounce back.
Best regards
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.15 13:45:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Reash
In conclusion, no, we still do not allow pirates to operate in providence, even if they are a member of a holder corporation.
Unless your being beaten seven ways from Sunday and are desperate for whatever help you can muster, in which case all sins are forgiven and pirates are magically reformed to citizens.
Does the hypocrisy of the Amarrians truly know no bounds?
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Reash
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.15 14:02:00 -
[33]
Originally by: ChipMo
Originally by: Reash
In conclusion, no, we still do not allow pirates to operate in providence, even if they are a member of a holder corporation.
Unless your being beaten seven ways from Sunday and are desperate for whatever help you can muster, in which case all sins are forgiven and pirates are magically reformed to citizens.
Does the hypocrisy of the Amarrians truly know no bounds?
I can confirm that no rules have been changed, and we did not request Geno's assistance.
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Mazca Lopez
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.15 14:34:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Reash
Originally by: ChipMo
Originally by: Reash
In conclusion, no, we still do not allow pirates to operate in providence, even if they are a member of a holder corporation.
Unless your being beaten seven ways from Sunday and are desperate for whatever help you can muster, in which case all sins are forgiven and pirates are magically reformed to citizens.
Does the hypocrisy of the Amarrians truly know no bounds?
I can confirm that no rules have been changed, and we did not request Geno's assistance.
Technically it is not against any rules to sleep with your cousin either, infact some cultures even endorse it as common practice... and yet somehow you just have a feeling its wrong no??
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Laichura
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.02.15 14:38:00 -
[35]
It seems to me that Genos Occidere, good farmers that they are, have come to tend the crops in the harsh weather that has now beset Providence, so that they may once again harvest the land in better times.
Am I to understand that while the CVA strongly opposes the farmers of -A-, Sev3rance welcomes other farmers who now come forth to protect the crops? Why is the CVA not up in arms over this?
Of course, as I am a mere student, I might be completely misinterpreting the situation. If so, I deeply apologize.
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Reash
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.15 14:50:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Reash on 15/02/2010 14:50:36
Originally by: Mazca Lopez
Technically it is not against any rules to sleep with your cousin either, infact some cultures even endorse it as common practice... and yet somehow you just have a feeling its wrong no??
I am not quite sure what minmatar mating practices have to do with this discussion.
If you wish to discuss Genos in more detail i suggest contacting 7, as long as they obey the rules of providence they are not my concern.
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Darveses
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.15 15:28:00 -
[37]
We should ask CVA for some space, it seems the chances of becoming a holder and ally have never been better!
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Reash
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.15 15:33:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Darveses
We should ask CVA for some space, it seems the chances of becoming a holder and ally have never been better!
Unless something has changed in Star fraction and you are willing to repent and accept the rules of providence then no.
But of course, you know that.
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Jessica Ovarde
Gallente
Verdant Inquiries
Asomat Drive Yards
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Posted - 2010.02.15 18:40:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Archbishop
Betrayal, extortion, infiltration, sabotage and corp theft certainly seem to be gaining favor as the new Star Fraction method of operation. This is the second incident this week.
Archbishop
Ah, Archbishop. We haven't had the pleasure of speaking face to face, but rest assured, your reputation for being overdramatic precedes you.
As I stated yesterday, -ADY- is completely unaffiliated with The Star Fraction. That our employee chose to use them as the medium for his strike is his choice to make, but does not change the fact that there has been no discussion between the two entities prior to this event. A fact that I am sure DED could clarify if they so chose.
Unless you have information to the contrary, kindly butt out of this channel. There's already enough egos in here, and it's getting a little cramped with yours as well.
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Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2010.02.15 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jessica Ovarde
As I stated yesterday, -ADY- is completely unaffiliated with The Star Fraction.
Except for close ties with Jericho Fraction pilot Sofia Roseburn, you mean. Remember that time she had you wardec this little Minmatar militia corporation because one of their pilots hurt her feelings at Lei Weici Teahouse?
We remember.
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Kel'taith
Eve Defence Force
Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.02.15 19:26:00 -
[41]
Let me see if I understand this. You wasted a spy in a useless alliance in order to eject some useless t1 ****s and a single HIC. Most of which you lost and then you went nave in stealth bombers and managed to bomb each other while killing a bunch of t1 ships failing for at least the fourth time in a day and now your bragging about it?
Atleast your happy...
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Jessica Ovarde
Gallente
Verdant Inquiries
Asomat Drive Yards
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Posted - 2010.02.15 19:48:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Havohej
Originally by: Jessica Ovarde
As I stated yesterday, -ADY- is completely unaffiliated with The Star Fraction.
Except for close ties with Jericho Fraction pilot Sofia Roseburn, you mean. Remember that time she had you wardec this little Minmatar militia corporation because one of their pilots hurt her feelings at Lei Weici Teahouse?
We remember.
Who was not in Jericho Fraction at the time. Whilst I will agree with you on the fact that Sofia has had close ties to -ADY- for much of it's existance (she ran the corporation for a significant period of time: 01.02.110 to 01.10.110), her influence on the corporation became minimal once she stepped down from her role in the directorate.
The point is, however, irrelevant. Your apparent obsession with her is something that you should take up with the Fraction, not with myself, and certainly not in this channel. The fact that you feel the need to barge in here on a whim so that you can bang on about a topic that has no relevance to the one at hand says rather a lot about you, and your corporation.
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Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2010.02.15 19:56:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Jessica Ovarde
Originally by: Havohej
Originally by: Jessica Ovarde
As I stated yesterday, -ADY- is completely unaffiliated with The Star Fraction.
Except for close ties with Jericho Fraction pilot Sofia Roseburn, you mean. Remember that time she had you wardec this little Minmatar militia corporation because one of their pilots hurt her feelings at Lei Weici Teahouse?
We remember.
Who was not in Jericho Fraction at the time.
Irrelevant. You claimed to be completely unaffiliated with -SF- now. In reality, you're a cat's paw for -SF- pilot Sofia Roseburn. That's a very clear affiliation. At the time -ADY- declared war on Du'uma Fiisi, Roseburn was in MEK Enterprises - not on -ADY-'s directorate, yet had "influence" enough to have you wardec on a whim. During the encounter between Roseburn and Marius Mullis at the Teahouse, Roseburn excuses herself for a moment. Three minutes later, we receive the wardec notification and she returns to that conversation.
It has nothing to do with 'obsession', Ovarde. If we were 'obsessed' with Roseburn or anyone else in -SF- they'd be red and we'd be taking an interest in the numerous other -SF- related threads. As it stands, they're neutral and we are watching with glee as they put increasing pressure on Sev3rance, including the event detailed in the original post of this very thread - good show.
I'm responding directly to your claims of being 'completely unaffiliated' with -SF-, which is quite relevant to the topic at hand. You're a liar and you've been called on it.
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Jessica Ovarde
Gallente
Verdant Inquiries
Asomat Drive Yards
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Posted - 2010.02.15 20:12:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Jessica Ovarde on 15/02/2010 20:13:08
Originally by: Havohej
Irrelevant. You claimed to be completely unaffiliated with -SF- now. In reality, you're a cat's paw for -SF- pilot Sofia Roseburn. That's a very clear affiliation.
It really isn't. You've yet to provide evidence to link the two of us together besides the fact that we have a match in our corporate histories. That's about as much of a link as me claiming that you are her lover purely on the principle that you have spoken to each other in the past.
Originally by: Havohej
At the time -ADY- declared war on Du'uma Fiisi, Roseburn was in MEK Enterprises - not on -ADY-'s directorate, yet had "influence" enough to have you wardec on a whim. During the encounter between Roseburn and Marius Mullis at the Teahouse, Roseburn excuses herself for a moment. Three minutes later, we receive the wardec notification and she returns to that conversation.
Yes, it was a war declaration funded by Captain Roseburn, as a client. Corporate espionage isn't the only service that we have provided over the years.
Originally by: Havohej
As it stands, they're neutral and we are watching with glee as they put increasing pressure on Sev3rance, including the event detailed in the original post of this very thread - good show.
My thanks. I have to admit, from a personal standpoint I am somewhat pleased that our operative chose The Star Fraction. I'm a great fan of what they do.
Originally by: Havohej
I'm responding directly to your claims of being 'completely unaffiliated' with -SF-, which is quite relevant to the topic at hand. You're a liar and you've been called on it.
When you provide more than a chatlog that documents a verbal spat and an irrelevant business transaction, perhaps we can have a more constructive conversation. As it stands at present, all that will come of this is a statement from yourself, and a retort from me. I have the utmost respect for you as a pilot of the Minmatar Militia, but I will not grant you the argument that you appear to desperately seek.
Good hunting Mr. Havohej. Your attentions are best served in places where you can actually make a difference, not in ones where your history is known to most.
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Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2010.02.15 20:13:00 -
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I'm not reading all that garbage from you, Ovarde. Fact of the matter is, your connection with SF was commented on, you denied it, and I highlighted the lie with proof to the contrary. That's really the end of my interest here (aside from the suffering of Sev3rance, of course).
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Jessica Ovarde
Gallente
Verdant Inquiries
Asomat Drive Yards
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Posted - 2010.02.15 20:17:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Havohej
I'm not reading all that garbage from you, Ovarde. Fact of the matter is, your connection with SF was commented on, you denied it, and I highlighted the lie with proof to the contrary. That's really the end of my interest here (aside from the suffering of Sev3rance, of course).
It appears that in your case ignorance is bliss Mr. Havohej. Your inability to provide any substantial evidence (read: something other than an irrelevant chatlog) speaks volumes.
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Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2010.02.15 20:31:00 -
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Edited by: Havohej on 15/02/2010 20:36:40
Originally by: Jessica Ovarde
It appears that in your case ignorance is bliss Mr. Havohej. Your inability to provide any substantial evidence (read: something other than an irrelevant chatlog) speaks volumes.
Your own words, then.
Quote:
[ 2009.06.22 22:28:59 ] Havohej > You mentioned a CEO... but you're the listed CEO of VERDA. Are you referring to Sofia Roseburn or somebody else?
[ 2009.06.22 22:29:25 ] Jessica Ovarde > I am interested to know what makes you assume that.
[ 2009.06.22 22:29:46 ] Havohej > I've heard of Verdant Inquiries before.
[ 2009.06.22 22:30:23 ] Havohej > I used half-remembered snippets as a starting point for ferreting out other information once I got the notice from CONCORD; nothing remarkable, really.
[ 2009.06.22 22:31:23 ] Havohej > Alright... I see the exchange with Vormar, now.
[ 2009.06.22 22:31:30 ] Jessica Ovarde > And I have heard of your corporation before matari, but I do not assume that there is a higher power than yourself.
[ 2009.06.22 22:31:38 ] Havohej > I'm still waiting to find out what might've happened between you and Maximullis.
[ 2009.06.22 22:32:20 ] Havohej > You threw me off when you mentioned a CEO - the wording suggested you meant someone besides yourself; if I misunderstood, I apologize.
[ 2009.06.22 22:33:47 ] Jessica Ovarde > I am not denying the fact that I am merely the second rung on the ladder, but your assumption was rather notable.
[ 2009.06.22 22:34:27 ] Havohej > I've just gotten a recording from a teahouse.. is that the exchange with Maximullis that's caused part of this?
[ 2009.06.22 22:35:45 ] Jessica Ovarde > Apparently so.
[ 2009.06.22 22:36:15 ] Jessica Ovarde > I am merely working off a note requesting a war declaration. I don't question my superiors.
[ 2009.06.22 22:37:07 ] Havohej > Hm. Any bad blood spawned between you and Elmo Vormar was most certainly Elmo's fault, I agree... the exchange between Sofia Roseburn and Marius Mullis was definitely not Marius' fault - he was quite reasonable throughout. So, where do we go from here?
[ 2009.06.22 22:37:41 ] Jessica Ovarde > My superior feels otherwise.
Clients are not referred to as "superiors" by the people contacting them. You yourself admitted to being the 'second rung' despite being listed as the CEO of your corporation, which is the Executor corporation of -ADY- and referred to Roseburn repeatedly as your "superior" - implicit though it was, given the context your words throughout our conversation and the full disclosure of available information posted to our membership at the time (declassified today for the purpose of making it available for public perusal) there is no reasonable possibility that this "superior" could be anyone other than Roseburn.
That, taken in combination with the other facts gathered when we first received notice of the wardec are proof enough for us and I'm certain will be proof enough for anyone else interested in whether or not you remain a cat's paw for Roseburn and thus affiliated with The Star Fraction. Your arguments, which amount to little more than ad hominems against me and crying "nu-uh!" at the top of your lungs, on the other hand, do nothing at all to disprove your connection to Star Fraction via Roseburn.
You can deny it until you're blue in the face, it's not going to matter any. With that, my participation in this topic is at its end.
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.15 20:36:00 -
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Ties to one member of Star Fraction != ties to Star Fraction.
"Star Fraction" is the banner we all fly under, if an entity is to be affiliated with that then its something we all work with such as our current relationship with CRMSN, or our work with ROSS & other Militia elements. That is not the case here.
My thanks to Gelo Breen regardless of his motives, it was an interesting operation.
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Jessica Ovarde
Gallente
Verdant Inquiries
Asomat Drive Yards
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Posted - 2010.02.15 20:41:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Havohej
You can deny it until you're blue in the face, it's not going to matter any. With that, my participation in this topic is at its end.
Indeed. Your whole argument focuses on the fact that you belive Captain Roseburn was my superior, a fact which you can insinuate, but cannot prove.
Try again next time Matari. I don't take kindly to smear campaigns, no matter how badly they are assembled.
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Hugh Hefner
Caldari
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.15 23:14:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Mazca Lopez
Technically it is not against any rules to sleep with your cousin either, infact some cultures even endorse it as common practice... and yet somehow you just have a feeling its wrong no??
Please keep your RL-practises away from this forum, some might take offense 
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Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.15 23:15:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Frygok
Could you enlighten me on the stance regarding pirates in Providence? Seeing as a notorious pirate corporation which has used many the above-mentioned methods and proudly stated this elsewhere, and has also hunted pod pilots in Providence, just recently joined Sev3rance Alliance... One would assume that the alliance would be kicked out by the rest of Providence, as per the regulations made clear by CVA, they are responsible for the doings of their corporations and individual members.
I'm not familiar with the corporation you mention. Perhaps you should contact a CVA diplomat about your concerns? My comment was simply an observation that this is the second incident/thread in a week where betrayal, infiltration, sabotage and corp theft were employed by the Star Fraction as methods of operation.
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Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.15 23:20:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Jessica Ovarde
Ah, Archbishop. We haven't had the pleasure of speaking face to face, but rest assured, your reputation for being overdramatic precedes you.
As I stated yesterday, -ADY- is completely unaffiliated with The Star Fraction. That our employee chose to use them as the medium for his strike is his choice to make, but does not change the fact that there has been no discussion between the two entities prior to this event. A fact that I am sure DED could clarify if they so chose.
Let me guess... The Star Fraction pilot just happened to be flying through and you said "hey, lets rob this POS" and he said "sure... why not". It was all a coincidence and you had never talked before hand.
Of course thats completely possible... just amazingly unbelievable.
Archbishop
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Darveses
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.15 23:30:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Darveses on 15/02/2010 23:30:47
Originally by: Archbishop
Let me guess... The Star Fraction pilot just happened to be flying through and you said "hey, lets rob this POS" and he said "sure... why not". It was all a coincidence and you had never talked before hand.
Considering Operation Black Lustrum takes place in Providence it is indeed quite unlikely to meet us there. *sighs*
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Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.15 23:32:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Darveses
Considering Operation Black Lustrum takes place in Providence it is indeed quite unlikely to meet us there. *sighs*
So you're saying a Star Fraction pilot... out of the blue... participated in a corp theft operation without even knowing the thief? Thats quite a confession.
Archbishop
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Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.15 23:34:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Frygok
Originally by: Archbishop
Betrayal, extortion, infiltration, sabotage and corp theft certainly seem to be gaining favor as the new Star Fraction method of operation. This is the second incident this week.
Archbishop
Seeing as a notorious pirate corporation which has used many the above-mentioned methods and proudly stated this elsewhere
To clear things up, the only one of those 5 sins we have ever committed in our unfortunate history is infiltration on a basic level. We have never sabotaged a corp from the inside, stolen their assets, betrayed an alliance, or attempted to extort on a corporation level. The only demands we have ever made have been to reimburse ships lost to dishonorable acts (such as pilots breaking agreed 1vs1s).
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Jessica Ovarde
Gallente
Verdant Inquiries
Asomat Drive Yards
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Posted - 2010.02.15 23:38:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Archbishop
Originally by: Darveses
Considering Operation Black Lustrum takes place in Providence it is indeed quite unlikely to meet us there. *sighs*
So you're saying a Star Fraction pilot... out of the blue... participated in a corp theft operation without even knowing the thief? Thats quite a confession.
Archbishop
You'd have to ask Gelo Breen about that, and he seems to be having a small amount of stockholm syndrome.
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Fridarey
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.15 23:57:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Archbishop
So you're saying a Star Fraction pilot... out of the blue... participated in a corp theft operation without even knowing the thief? Thats quite a confession.
Are you really suggesting that Star Fraction should refuse to shoot a bunch of wardec target ships in 0.0 Providence just because they are thrown out of the ship storage array by an angry Sev3rance dissident? You really live in an alternative reality you toothless old fool.
To clarify. We would not infiltrate a target organization for the express purpose of doing this. But if an alliance/corp treats its members so badly they feel obliged to offline towers and eject corp assets into the void we'll certainly help destroy them.
Its about time for your medication. You are trying so hard to taint SF for with the hypocrisy of your own organization its beginning to make your veins bulge.
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.16 00:27:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Archbishop
So you're saying a Star Fraction pilot... out of the blue... participated in a corp theft operation without even knowing the thief? Thats quite a confession.
Archbishop
That is almost exactly what happened. I was one of the pilots who actually stole a -7- vessel (keep your eyes out for "-JFS- Spoils of War" folks *ChipMo winks). One of our pilots was contacted and told -7- pos hangars will be emptied and the tower put off line, we were to "do what you will". After a frantic scramble and initial conserns that this was some sort of trap we got into position & grabed what we could.
After -7- response fleet was on the field and there was only like 5 of us involved we decided to bomb the massive ship cache into oblivion than see it fall back into enemy hands. You can see the results of that in the initial report posted by VERDA.
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Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.16 00:32:00 -
[59]
Originally by: ChipMo
Originally by: Archbishop
So you're saying a Star Fraction pilot... out of the blue... participated in a corp theft operation without even knowing the thief? Thats quite a confession.
Archbishop
That is almost exactly what happened. I was one of the pilots who actually stole a -7- vessel (keep your eyes out for "-JFS- Spoils of War" folks *ChipMo winks). One of our pilots was contacted and told -7- pos hangars will be emptied and the tower put off line, we were to "do what you will". After a frantic scramble and initial conserns that this was some sort of trap we got into position & grabed what we could.
After -7- response fleet was on the field and there was only like 5 of us involved we decided to bomb the massive ship cache into oblivion than see it fall back into enemy hands. You can see the results of that in the initial report posted by VERDA.
I'm glad to see you confess it is good for the soul you know. Of course your story about coincidently flying by when this happend seems doubtful but it is entertaining.
Tell me... were you in the same system when this occurred or were you contacted via comms by the "dissident" as you called him? I'm asking because while Star Fraction is on a campaign attacking mining barges and worrying about indices the -A- alliance is fielding the military firepower here according to all indications. Thus I assume the "dissident" would call them as they were the active military force attacking -7-.
Unless you were just flying by and contacted in local?
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.16 01:37:00 -
[60]
We are perfectly capable of mounting military offensives when suitable opportunities arise, we by no means restrain ourselves to industrial targets. They are just our prime prey at the moment.
Perhaps Gelo did contact other forces, and we were just the quickest to act on the intelligence?
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Punx Evangeline
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.16 13:00:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Archbishop
Originally by: Darveses
Considering Operation Black Lustrum takes place in Providence it is indeed quite unlikely to meet us there. *sighs*
So you're saying a Star Fraction pilot... out of the blue... participated in a corp theft operation without even knowing the thief? Thats quite a confession.
Archbishop
Mr. Archbishop,
As the Star Fraction pilot who was contacted by Mr. Breen, yes that is exactly what happened. When somebody gives you an opening in war you take it. So myself and 5 other brave Star Fraction pilots: Clovnea, Maia Demoncast, Chipmo, Sofia Roseburn and Raven Poer, bombed and killed a couple billion dollars worth of assests.
-Punx
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Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.17 00:05:00 -
[62]
Well as I've seen no evidence to the contrary I will concede this may all be an amazing coincidence. It is certainly amazing.
Archbishop
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.17 15:59:00 -
[63]
Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 17/02/2010 16:00:34
There have not only not been two incidents of the Star Fraction engaging in infiltration for the purposes of sabotage or theft, there has not even been one.
Reference has been made to the Daedalus X-led assault on a -10 entity's holdings in a wormhole. The situation there is clear enough to anyone not wanting to distort the facts for their own purposes. That entity had obtained those assets through fraud and outright theft from the members of Daedalus X. They took steps to negotiate on the issue with that entity. There was no reasonable settlement. Indeed, the entity by its own diplomatic decisions became a -10 in the eyes of the Star Fraction. Daedalus X operatives accessed the stolen starbase in its wormhole anchorage and took such restitutive steps as were possible. This was not a question of two wrongs making a right. This was a question of reversing a single wrong.
As for the case of these Sev3rance assets. The facts are clear. There was no Star Fraction infiltrator. There was not even an infiltrator from any other organization. There was a disgruntled Sev3rance pilot who chose to take actions that he drew to the attention of a third party and the Star Fraction. The Star Fraction, seeing -10 assets floating free in space, took the steps that can only be expected. This is war. We are not a space station lost property department. If we see enemy assets available for appropriation or destruction then we will react appropriately.
We do not initiate infiltration for the purpose of sabotage or theft. And we will not do so, not against Sev3rance, not against the CVA and not against anyone else. We will respond appropriately to those who take such actions against us and we will use any information that comes into our hands from third parties as we see fit where it concerns our enemies.
It is important to understand the ethical basis from which the Star Fraction takes this line. We will infiltrate for the purposes of gaining intelligence because this is both relatively low-risk for our operatives and is understood by virtually all rational and semi-rational actors in interstellar politics as a necessary part of politics, diplomacy and warfare in New Eden. We have no time for fake honour and synthetic virility contests on this question. Espionage, pure espionage, is not a question of honour or being unmanly. It is about information and information is the critical resource without which no political or military entity can function. This is why all serious political and military entities use spycraft.
In contrast, the issue of infiltration for sabotage and theft is a vexed question and it is best summed up in terms of its short-term and long-term utility. In the grand scheme of things, few indeed have been the planned and executed long-range infiltration operations for sabotage and theft that have made much impact on the cluster. With one or two exceptions, most incidents of the type with lasting effect are born of opportunism in already disintegrating organizations. The efficiency of the method for effecting anything other than a short-term and relatively paltry gain is open to question. Add to this the fact that use of the method has a tendency to destroy avenues for diplomacy with otherwise reasonable people. Such people don't even have to be the target. It seems that most can put up with their mail being read, as it were, but are rather less willing to forgive the theft of their possessions and the sabotage of their installations.
Believing as we do in the lasting utility of diplomacy, the dubious short-term utility and tenuous long-term utility of sabotage and theft seem a rather poor exchange for the best possible diplomatic and political basis on which to treat with other entities. We therefore choose to put the value of diplomacy before the arguable value of sabotage and theft, even where enemies are concerned.
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Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.17 23:33:00 -
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Quote:
Reference has been made to the Daedalus X-led assault on a -10 entity's holdings in a wormhole. The situation there is clear enough to anyone not wanting to distort the facts for their own purposes. That entity had obtained those assets through fraud and outright theft from the members of Daedalus X. They took steps to negotiate on the issue with that entity. There was no reasonable settlement. Indeed, the entity by its own diplomatic decisions became a -10 in the eyes of the Star Fraction.
I'm curious Cosmo... why was Star Fraction negotiating? After all this claimed fraud occured before the Daedalus corporation joined your alliance. I'm asking because your alliance has used "people should fend for themselves and not rely on others" as an excuse for declaring war.
Does the Star Fraction now believe that third parties should protect and intervene on the behalf of others thus making those others dependent on them?
I will also ask you if all 26 of those current corporation members besides the CEO conspired together to defraud Daetalus? If not I assume you then acknowledge that the odds are after a year of time has passed at least some of what was "appropriated" in this theft belonged to innocent victims not involved in the original fraud.
It seems to be a pattern with the Star Fraction to take action against everyone and let the pieces fall as they may. In the past you have admitted you have attacked and defeated targets you shouldn't have been at war with. You've claimed you apologized and made reparations to these innocent victims. You've never answered though for the real cost of your actions in lives, of pilots who have left the pod and cluster never to return, of pilots who abandoned their homes in desparation as you steamrolled over them.
I see a long trail of innocent victims in your wake. Here again I'm sure at least some of those 26 current corporation members were innocent victims thus this corp theft is just as heinous as any other. Trying to claim it's "righting a wrong" doesn't make up for the trail of innocent lives now broken you leave behind.
Archbishop
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Darveses
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.18 00:25:00 -
[65]
I wasn't aware that age-related memory loss would be a problem for capsuleers, but obviously I was mistaken.
You asked all those questions and made all those points before, they were answered - more than just once.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.18 12:46:00 -
[66]
Someone appears unable to understand the chronology. Not surprising as he talked about the restitutive action regarding Daedalus X happening within this last week, when in fact it happened several weeks ago.
Daedalus X negotiated with the entity in question. They negotiated as Daedalus X corporation in a private property dispute. Something they were perfectly entitled to do. Now, the Star Fraction in fact had been asked to get involved by Daedalus X after they joined the alliance and indeed to set the other entity -10. A natural request but I was in the uncomfortable position of explaining personally to Daedalus X directors that indeed the Star Fraction could not directly involve itself in matters that occured before a member corporation joined the alliance. We certainly would not be able to take actions against the party that Daedalus X were in dispute with and would neither set them -10 or declare war on them for the actions in question. I explained that Daedalus X could leave the alliance in a perfectly amicable manner if it wished to take restorative action beyond negotiation and agreement that would conflict with the Star Fraction's rules of engagement.
Daedalus X, to their great credit, decided to remain in the alliance and continued to take up the matter with the party to the dispute. Evidence then emerged that the other party had Daedalus X set to -10. At this point it became a potential alliance diplomatic matter. I would think that is comprehensible to anyone. To resolve this diplomatically, some exchanges aimed at clarifying standings and resolving disputes took place, with the Star Fraction seeking neutrality and an amicable resolution satisfactory to all. The fact that the other entity had a member corporation of the alliance set -10 was then established and all that subsequently happened essentially flowed from that fact.
I do not propose to repeat all this again. I have put the position so far as the Star Fraction is concerned in terms of its diplomatic and military policies. I find it rather incomprehensible that an enemy of the Star Fraction is doing little else than give us an opportunity to show that we do indeed pursue diplomacy and hold to a quite strict standard when it comes to what cases the alliance considers it proper to act over.
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Emeline Cabernet
Amarr
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.02.18 13:33:00 -
[67]
gelo breen was a titan pilot at one point?
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Mazca Lopez
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.18 13:44:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Emeline Cabernet
gelo breen was a titan pilot at one point?
Dead Titans: Continued
Sev3rance: (1)
Gelo Breen [IRNP] <-7-> Lev
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GanSho
Mystic Lion Hearts
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.18 23:49:00 -
[69]
Edited by: GanSho on 18/02/2010 23:49:32
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
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Do you actually believe the Nonesense you are talking!?
You didn't happen to "stumble upon a few dozen ships wich their Pilots have left carelessly in Space", you used infiltration to try to steal those ships from their resonable secure location, wich you normally would have to assault directly in a day long siege, something you didn't even dare doing despite the support of Crimson, Privateers, Noir. and TLF (I wonder when Outbreak and Electus Matari will show up  , how many more peons do you want to hire to inflict any kind of damage to our small industrial Alliance?) - how practical to have allies not bound to your so called "NRDS" btw.
As I already said, until this incident Star Fractions war - however ill-advised and thoroughly stupid it was - was at least honorable. This is not the case anymore. You have betrayed even your own most basic principles (and you can write prose denying it as much as you wish, I actually couldn't care less) for the gain of claiming a propagandaic victory.
You better pray to whatever god you may believe in that your short-term thinking pays off for you, because you can rest assured that we will never forget or forgive this.
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Posted - 2010.02.19 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Daedalus X negotiated with the entity in question. They negotiated as Daedalus X corporation in a private property dispute. Something they were perfectly entitled to do. Now, the Star Fraction in fact had been asked to get involved by Daedalus X after they joined the alliance and indeed to set the other entity -10. A natural request but I was in the uncomfortable position of explaining personally to Daedalus X directors that indeed the Star Fraction could not directly involve itself in matters that occured before a member corporation joined the alliance. We certainly would not be able to take actions against the party that Daedalus X were in dispute with and would neither set them -10 or declare war on them for the actions in question. I explained that Daedalus X could leave the alliance in a perfectly amicable manner if it wished to take restorative action beyond negotiation and agreement that would conflict with the Star Fraction's rules of engagement.
So you acknowledge that you can not become involved as it happend prior to them joining the alliance. This is good for a start.
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Daedalus X, to their great credit, decided to remain in the alliance and continued to take up the matter with the party to the dispute. Evidence then emerged that the other party had Daedalus X set to -10. At this point it became a potential alliance diplomatic matter.
They had set Daedalus X to -10 not the Star Fraction. At this point then it is still a corporation matter as you admit readily it wasn't the alliance as a whole affected. Given your earlier stance of not becoming involved I would have expected you at this point to tell Daedalus to leave the alliance and deal with their "problem" then return once it was settled. You basically reversed your position here.
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I would think that is comprehensible to anyone. To resolve this diplomatically, some exchanges aimed at clarifying standings and resolving disputes took place, with the Star Fraction seeking neutrality and an amicable resolution satisfactory to all. The fact that the other entity had a member corporation of the alliance set -10 was then established and all that subsequently happened essentially flowed from that fact.
So the Star Fraction set their negative standings to protect a corporation that was operating as an independent group in the negotiations. I always thought it was your policy to encourage people to fight for themselves and not rely on others for protection (as in the case of Mito for example). This seems very hypocritical.
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I do not propose to repeat all this again. I have put the position so far as the Star Fraction is concerned in terms of its diplomatic and military policies. I find it rather incomprehensible that an enemy of the Star Fraction is doing little else than give us an opportunity to show that we do indeed pursue diplomacy and hold to a quite strict standard when it comes to what cases the alliance considers it proper to act over.
The timeline is very clear as are your actions. Given your past alliance history as extortionists I have to believe you didn't attempt any meaningful "negotiation" at all. You probably threatend the other party as is your usual style. Then when they failed to answer in the manner you would have prefered you used that as an excuse to commit this corp theft operation. I notice Cosmo you haven't addressed the comment I made that it was likely at least some of what was "appropriated" belonged to innocent victims who had nothing to do with the original fraud. Or are you claiming all 27 members of that corporation were involved in a massive conspiracy to defraud together and thus all deserved to be hurt by this theft operation?
You want to have your cake and eat it to. Independent corporation then alliance issue. It's clearly hypocritical.
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.19 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: GanSho
you used infiltration to try to steal those ships from their resonable secure location,
No my dear Gansho we used the dissatisfaction, or as you own Snakey called it a brainfart, of one of you trusted members to further our own ends. At no point was anyone directed or encouraged to infiltrate your alliance for this purpose. If we had done so, which we don't, and had a plan for it I think we could have done something a touch more spectacular than the billions of isk worth of damage. As it was your ex-member was kind enough to give us a leaving present before imploding.
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You better pray to whatever god you may believe in that your short-term thinking pays off for you, because you can rest assured that we will never forget or forgive this.
Oh no... How will we cope?
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Posted - 2010.02.19 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Heartstone
No my dear Gansho we used the dissatisfaction, or as you own Snakey called it a brainfart, of one of you trusted members to further our own ends. At no point was anyone directed or encouraged to infiltrate your alliance for this purpose. If we had done so, which we don't, and had a plan for it I think we could have done something a touch more spectacular than the billions of isk worth of damage. As it was your ex-member was kind enough to give us a leaving present before imploding.
Heartstone
Obviously this corp theft operation was the work of a Star Fraction agent not some "disgruntled employee". The Star Fraction is well known for their spy operations and in fact often brag about how spycraft is an important part of their operations. Seeing these denials by the Fractionists merely indicates their desperation as they fight the public condemnation of their actions and their failure to "spin" their way out of it.
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Posted - 2010.02.19 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
Obviously this corp theft operation was the work of a Star Fraction agent not some "disgruntled employee".
Putting the word "obviously" in front of a pack of lies does not make it any more true.
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Posted - 2010.02.19 01:29:00 -
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So Gelo Breen, a former -7- titan pilot, if I'm not mistaken, was a Star Fraction spy to begin with. Yes, I believe this must be correct!
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Posted - 2010.02.19 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: GanSho
Do you actually believe the Nonesense you are talking!?
You didn't happen to "stumble upon a few dozen ships wich their Pilots have left carelessly in Space"[...]
Quite right and I believe everything I have said and not what you have erroneously quoted. I did not say the above. I said that the information as to free-floating Sev3rance assets was passed onto us. I make no claims as to 'stumbling' on anything. We received the information, confirmed it and acted against vulnerable enemy assets. Any pretence that Sev3rance would not do precisely the same thing if the positions were reversed is simply not credible.
As to the accusation of infiltration, false and you know very well it is false. You are a liar, GanSho. You know, as Snakester knows, that Gelo Breen had some kind of moment of madness and acted to deactivate the starbase and thus expose the assets held there.
No infiltration, no secret agent. Just a longstanding member of Sev3rance who acted unilaterally for reasons only he can really account for. You might admit this and cease flailing around and talking about honour when with the previous breath you've spouted nothing but a lie.
I also wouldn't be too keen to try and lecture about NRDS when your so-called 'anti-pirate' alliance has had to resort to recruiting former self-admitted pirates and raiders against the Providence allies now magically converted to 'anti-piracy' and love of the CVA. No doubt Archbishop would have something to say about 'harbouring' pirates if he were not so hypocritical and keen to cover up anything done by his allies no matter how disreputable. We saw it with the self-confessed pirate, Merdaneth, and we saw the frantic spinning, as he might say, over No.Mercy until finally, but not until the latter entity started attacking CVA and allies be it noted, the scales fell from his eyes.
Archbishop is just being an opportunist hypocrite, frantically grabbing any straw that he thinks might be useful in lighting a fire under the Star Fraction. Even with Snakester and Gelo Breen's remarks in this very thread he bizarrely claims that a Star Fraction agent was responsible. Possibly the defrocked priest, never much for getting his facts right, made an error that he will correct. You, who know better, are just telling lies and everyone can see it. If that is Sev3rance 'honour' then I think it is as well we don't see Sev3rance acting dishonourably.
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Posted - 2010.02.19 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
Tell me... were you in the same system when this occurred or were you contacted via comms by the "dissident" as you called him? I'm asking because while Star Fraction is on a campaign attacking mining barges and worrying about indices the -A- alliance is fielding the military firepower here according to all indications. Thus I assume the "dissident" would call them as they were the active military force attacking -7-.
Unless you were just flying by and contacted in local?
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Hi Boss!
As far as we can tell, Chip was with Jade and Jasmine and about a dozen others from SF as they slunk out of low-sec and back under ConcordÆs skirts in Kamela.
Chip was the one flying a Chimera and hiding at the POS at Kamela XI, Moon I.
I guess this whole thread is that since my peopleÆs militia wonÆt do their dirt work for them anymore, theyÆre conning small pirate companies to do their acts of piracy for them.
Ah well.
Hey Boss, when the Empire kicks them out of Kamela (again) where do you think theyÆll go? IÆm hoping Tama. Let the Gallente deal with æem for a while.
ôAint gonna happen chummer!ö
Hehe.
Ok, IÆm off to go mining. Good seeing ya here again Boss. Can I have a new collar? ThereÆs this really nice one I saw with these little emeralds in ità
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Posted - 2010.02.20 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite
No infiltration, no secret agent. Just a longstanding member of Sev3rance who acted unilaterally for reasons only he can really account for. You might admit this and cease flailing around and talking about honour when with the previous breath you've spouted nothing but a lie.
Given your past bragging about "spycraft" and your admitted past use of longterm spies in your operations I'm sure you'll understand if no one believes you.
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Posted - 2010.02.20 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
No infiltration, no secret agent. Just a longstanding member of Sev3rance who acted unilaterally for reasons only he can really account for. You might admit this and cease flailing around and talking about honour when with the previous breath you've spouted nothing but a lie.
Given your past bragging about "spycraft" and your admitted past use of longterm spies in your operations I'm sure you'll understand if no one believes you.
Archbishop
Given your tendency to spout reams of logically inconclusive tat, I'm sure you'll understand if everything you say is taken with a fistful of salt.
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