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ISHKUR MASTER Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.15 23:50:00 - [1] Hey there players and friends. Sign the EB Games petition and get your voice in on ratings. There's only a couple more weeks before EVE ONLINE is likely to be blocked from access by us, with the great firewall of Australia being enabled. EB Games petition page
Nimzi	Posted - 2010.02.16 00:01:00 - [2] Keylogger. It's only logical.
ISHKUR MASTER Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.16 00:03:00 - [3] Originally by: Nimzi Keylogger. It's only logical. troll
strenif	Posted - 2010.02.16 00:19:00 - [4] Clicking links is bad for your health.
Nimzi	Posted - 2010.02.16 00:22:00 - [5] Originally by: ISHKUR MASTER troll If they ban you from playing, you can come play from my house.
Awesome Possum MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.16 00:56:00 - [6] lolstralia see what happens when you let them take your guns away. ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.02.16 01:09:00 - [7] Originally by: Awesome Possum lolstralia see what happens when you let them take your guns away. they come for everything else next tinfoil hat time before they start stealing your thoughts!!!
Marcus Ratz Rubicon Vanguard Emergence.	Posted - 2010.02.16 01:16:00 - [8] A program/service like PingFu (Google it) will bypass the filter system the Australian government is about to introduce. Plus, it helps with your ping times as well.
Nimzi	Posted - 2010.02.16 02:05:00 - [9] Originally by: Marcus Ratz A program/service like PingFu (Google it) will bypass the filter system the Australian government is about to introduce. Plus, it helps with your ping times as well. INSTALL A BACKDOOR IMO
Nicholas Barker Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.16 03:42:00 - [10] Finally, a government that's more oppressive than Britain that isn't China. ------ 0800-LAG-A-NODE
Morrn	Posted - 2010.02.16 04:38:00 - [11] What? Why pray-tell is australia going to block Eve?
Mr Greh Dead Sun Heavy Mining	Posted - 2010.02.16 05:32:00 - [12] Originally by: Nicholas Barker Finally, a government that's more oppressive than Britain that isn't China. This.
Caroline Cosmos	Posted - 2010.02.16 05:36:00 - [13] Liberalism gone haywire. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Big government means less freedom unfortunately.
Mr Greh Dead Sun Heavy Mining	Posted - 2010.02.16 05:53:00 - [14] Originally by: Caroline Cosmos Edited by: Caroline Cosmos on 16/02/2010 05:43:25 Edited by: Caroline Cosmos on 16/02/2010 05:39:48 Edit to remove my comment. No point in bringing up politics or being a troll... Question tho... I've read a little about this and want to know the avergae Aussie's opinion of this. Do they thing this is due to overbearing "statist liberals", or right wing govt? I would assume most would blame it on the right, but surprisingly it seems the left censor and control people's personal lives in the US just as much, if not more than, the right in our country. I guess I always kind of assumed Australia was pretty left-leaning. When people learn to stop discussing things in terms of "left' or 'right" then we can have a conversation.
Caroline Cosmos	Posted - 2010.02.16 05:56:00 - [15] Edited by: Caroline Cosmos on 16/02/2010 06:01:50 Edited by: Caroline Cosmos on 16/02/2010 05:57:22 Originally by: Mr Greh Originally by: Caroline Cosmos Edited by: Caroline Cosmos on 16/02/2010 05:43:25 Edited by: Caroline Cosmos on 16/02/2010 05:39:48 Edit to remove my comment. No point in bringing up politics or being a troll... Question tho... I've read a little about this and want to know the avergae Aussie's opinion of this. Do they thing this is due to overbearing "statist liberals", or right wing govt? I would assume most would blame it on the right, but surprisingly it seems the left censor and control people's personal lives in the US just as much, if not more than, the right in our country. I guess I always kind of assumed Australia was pretty left-leaning. When people learn to stop discussing things in terms of "left' or 'right" then we can have a conversation. Point well taken. From what I've read, you have certain "family first" groups that want to filter the internet for the pron, but then you also have George Newhouse, a lawyer who think anything he deems racist should be removed... Just seems like the government in Australia is really overstepping individual liberty, period.
Mr Greh Dead Sun Heavy Mining	Posted - 2010.02.16 06:02:00 - [16] Originally by: Caroline Cosmos Edited by: Caroline Cosmos on 16/02/2010 05:57:22 Originally by: Mr Greh Originally by: Caroline Cosmos Edited by: Caroline Cosmos on 16/02/2010 05:43:25 Edited by: Caroline Cosmos on 16/02/2010 05:39:48 Edit to remove my comment. No point in bringing up politics or being a troll... Question tho... I've read a little about this and want to know the avergae Aussie's opinion of this. Do they thing this is due to overbearing "statist liberals", or right wing govt? I would assume most would blame it on the right, but surprisingly it seems the left censor and control people's personal lives in the US just as much, if not more than, the right in our country. I guess I always kind of assumed Australia was pretty left-leaning. When people learn to stop discussing things in terms of "left' or 'right" then we can have a conversation. Point well taken. From what I've read, you have certain "family first" groups that want to filter the internet for the pron, but then you also have George Newhouse, a lawyer who think anything racist should be removed... Just seems like the government in Australia is really overstepping individual liberty, period. Australia censoring games is ones thing, but what really bothers me is when the "Government" makes unlawful land grabs. This, from what I understand, is directed at farmers, one of which I heard was staging a hunger protest.
Noxidc Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.16 06:15:00 - [17] Unfortuntaly here in australia we have very poor civil liberty laws, nor do we have the political groups to try push the issues, thus the government has every legal right (under our (australian) constutution) to create laws as such to enact a mandatory firewall. If this were America where they have clear freedom of speach laws written into their amendments to teh constutution then pretty much any citizen would be able to take teh government to a supreme court and challenge the legality of a Mandatory firewall. as for land grabs i am not sure however i belevie that could be challenged though i do not know the particulars.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.02.16 06:20:00 - [18] Originally by: Caroline Cosmos Edited by: Caroline Cosmos on 16/02/2010 05:43:25 Edited by: Caroline Cosmos on 16/02/2010 05:39:48 Edit to remove my comment. No point in bringing up politics or being a troll... Question tho... I've read a little about this and want to know the avergae Aussie's opinion of this. Do they thing this is due to overbearing "statist liberals", or right wing govt? I would assume most would blame it on the right, but surprisingly it seems the left censor and control people's personal lives in the US just as much, if not more than, the right in our country. I guess I always kind of assumed Australia was pretty left-leaning. Thats because in the US, the words Liberal and Conservative are relative to Government control, not the dictionary definitions. Liberals are federalists and conservatives are anti-federalists. I.E. liberal doses of government control. -------------------------------------------------- I'm so Old I can remember when QQ was TT
Caroline Cosmos	Posted - 2010.02.16 06:27:00 - [19] Edited by: Caroline Cosmos on 16/02/2010 06:33:18 Edited by: Caroline Cosmos on 16/02/2010 06:30:45 Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Caroline Cosmos Edited by: Caroline Cosmos on 16/02/2010 05:43:25 Edited by: Caroline Cosmos on 16/02/2010 05:39:48 Edit to remove my comment. No point in bringing up politics or being a troll... Question tho... I've read a little about this and want to know the avergae Aussie's opinion of this. Do they thing this is due to overbearing "statist liberals", or right wing govt? I would assume most would blame it on the right, but surprisingly it seems the left censor and control people's personal lives in the US just as much, if not more than, the right in our country. But again, I may be digressing into the whole "left vs right" thing... I guess I always kind of assumed Australia was pretty left-leaning. Thats because in the US, the words Liberal and Conservative are relative to Government control, not the dictionary definitions. Liberals are federalists and conservatives are anti-federalists. I.E. liberal doses of government control. Cipher, I agree with you. The last 20 years or so in the US, it seems the liberals have been way more involved in "personal decisions" legislation, such as what you are allowed to eat, where and if you can smoke, whether or not you should be allowed to own a gun, what kind and how much power you consume etc etc. But again, I may be digressing into the whole "left vs right" thing. In the US, it seems conservatives are more interested in States rights while the Liberals are more into Federal rights.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2010.02.16 06:50:00 - [20] Edited by: Catherine Frasier on 16/02/2010 06:52:45 Originally by: ISHKUR MASTER There's only a couple more weeks before EVE ONLINE is likely to be blocked from access by us, with the great firewall of Australia being enabled. I'm not 'stralian so you'll have to clear this up for me; I thought this legislation wasn't even scheduled for proposal to parliament until this fall, not so? Edit: Found the actual proposal. Quote: The Government expects to introduce legislation during the Autumn 2010 parliamentary sittings. There will be a twelve months process of implementation after the passage of the legislation.
ISHKUR MASTER Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.16 08:54:00 - [21] Originally by: Catherine Frasier I thought this legislation wasn't even scheduled for proposal to parliament until this fall, not so? Southern hemisphere here, autumn is upon us shortly, March
HeliosGal Caldari	Posted - 2010.02.16 09:25:00 - [22] for crying out loud, well i dont see why eve would be banned its rating isnt in contradiction of australian new legislation eve will be accessible Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00
Zartanic Red Federation	Posted - 2010.02.16 09:26:00 - [23] Careful guys, Big Brother is watching you.
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.02.16 09:30:00 - [24] finally. no more "CCP MOVE THE DOWNTIME SOMEWHERE ELSE PLZ" threads.
ISHKUR MASTER Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.16 09:32:00 - [25] Edited by: ISHKUR MASTER on 16/02/2010 09:32:27 Originally by: HeliosGal for crying out loud, well i dont see why eve would be banned its rating isnt in contradiction of australian new legislation eve will be accessible Eve is currently unrated, also why the box set wasn't released here. The firewall is to block unrated content. Therefore the lobbying for a games rating system.
Typhado3 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.02.16 10:21:00 - [26] hmmm I need to find a good country to move to ------------------------------ God is an afk cloaker
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.16 10:54:00 - [27] Originally by: ISHKUR MASTER Edited by: ISHKUR MASTER on 16/02/2010 09:32:27 Originally by: HeliosGal for crying out loud, well i dont see why eve would be banned its rating isnt in contradiction of australian new legislation eve will be accessible Eve is currently unrated, also why the box set wasn't released here. The firewall is to block unrated content. Therefore the lobbying for a games rating system. Eve is rated, which is why the box could be sold in the rest of the world, and why we now have that nice ESRB notice.
Doctor Dodo Caldari Dalek Tactical Industries Wasted Wolves	Posted - 2010.02.16 11:10:00 - [28] Originally by: Morrn What? Why pray-tell is australia going to block Eve? Simply because it is not rated in Australia. While rated everywhere else in the world Atari withdrew it's application to be rated by the Australian Film and Censorship board and when the Australian firewall goes up all it will take it 2 complaints for the game to be placed onto the firewall blacklist and access would be blocked. We have religious zealots who have the balance of power and are happily using their balance to get everything they want. It does not help that we have religious wackjobs in both of the major parties supporting them as well. Wis Atari Australia not bothering to have the game rated and released in Australia ? I do not know since they do not answer my emails on this question. When I do something stupid it's a learning experience, when you do something stupid it's comedy.
Aiadan Adathlyn	Posted - 2010.02.16 12:35:00 - [29] Edited by: Aiadan Adathlyn on 16/02/2010 12:37:16 This whole thing is basically about an R18+ classification. Australia is one of the only developed countries not to have an R18+ classification for games, so if it exceeds the criteria for MA15+ it is refused classification and unable to be released (manhunt, Left 4 dead 2, etc.) There has been attempts to introduce legislation to change this, but they have failed. the tl;dr version is for legislation to become law, each of the attorney-general need to approve it (there's one for each state). All have approved it except the South Australian attorney-general Michael Atkinson, who is a hard line christian living in the 1950. "Why don't you just vote him out?" I hear you ask. Good question. And I'd totally vote for the other guy, but the position of attorney-general is appointed, not elected, so we're screwed :p tl;dr this petition won't work because Atkinson is backwards and we can't do **** The Great Australian Firewall is another issue. The above posts are correct, it will block unrated material (youpron dot com), and also block downloadable games or flash based games that do no meet the MA15+ standard. Right now, eve online would be blocked by the firewall because it bears no rating. But should it be reviewed, I am sure Eve would only achieve a PG rating at best: it has profanity but no graphic blood/guts etc etc. For it to get a rating, and therefore be playable in post-firewall Australia, CCP has to submit a copy for evaluation to the classifications board. Given that there are many subscribers from down under, and assuming CCP wants to keep this revenue stream, I would assume CCP would already be aware of this and are right now preparing a copy of their game for review. Right guys? Right? *crickets chirping
Jug'Muk	Posted - 2010.02.16 13:29:00 - [30] Originally by: Caroline Cosmos Cipher, I agree with you. The last 20 years or so in the US, it seems the liberals have been way more involved in "personal decisions" legislation, such as what you are allowed to eat, where and if you can smoke, whether or not you should be allowed to own a gun, what kind and how much power you consume etc etc. But again, I may be digressing into the whole "left vs right" thing. In the US, it seems conservatives are more interested in States rights while the Liberals are more into Federal rights. Whats scary to me is how they keep slipping huge changes to things through with very little fan-fare, or while everyone is focused (thanks to what they report) on something pointless. Patriot act, this new corporate election contribution thing, ETC. Seems currently we are going corporate or socialist. This isnt a democracy anymore. Hasent been for a long time. Federal reserve is a privately owned bank, they have their name on our money, and we gave them all our nations gold.(We have none, look it up, look up how the federal reserve took over our currency, it was rotten)
the plague Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.02.16 13:57:00 - [31] Originally by: Morrn What? Why pray-tell is Australia going to block Eve? Because of CAOD. It's harming the yutes of Australia.
Koyama Ise Caldari Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon	Posted - 2010.02.16 14:56:00 - [32] Edited by: Koyama Ise on 16/02/2010 15:05:48 A list of things people may not know: The Communications Minister Stephen Conroy is the one proposing Australian Internet Censorship. The legislation for Australian Internet Censorship has not been passed yet and thus the "Great Firewall of Australia" cannot be implemented yet. EVE Online does have a rating with the OFLC. It is rated PG Gaming experience may change online; Mild violence. Michael Atkinson is the person solely responsible for the lack of R18 ratings for games Michael Atkinson attempted and actually had a law passed that would require people posting on elections to post with their real name and post code. It has since been repealed. Link to AdelaideNow article Edit: Correction, EVE Online is PG not M... oops ... ______________________________
Zane Lucanus	Posted - 2010.02.16 15:07:00 - [33] Originally by: Awesome Possum lolstralia see what happens when you let them take your guns away. some down there still have them. I hung out with some friends from down there right beefore and after they passed that law. They said you could't find any 8" PVC for a while. all the stores had been bought out. hows that crime rate looking btw?
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.02.16 18:09:00 - [34] Dearest America, We'll see you your crazed anti-game activist (Jack Thompson) and raise you one crazed anti-game politician (Michael Atkinson). I think we win. Sincerely, Australia.
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2010.02.16 19:13:00 - [35] Originally by: Jug'Muk Seems currently we are going corporate or socialist. This isnt a democracy anymore. Hasent been for a long time. Technically, it's a democratic republic and always has been. AFAIK there are nho true democracies anywhere in the world (a true democracy being defined as one where the citizens are the ones voting on changes to laws, rather than electing someone to do it on their behalf). --Vel Forum Mom: Spanking the snot out of little brats.
Paola DiLivio	Posted - 2010.02.16 19:15:00 - [36] Originally by: Aiadan Adathlyn "Why don't you just vote him out?" I hear you ask. Good question. And I'd totally vote for the other guy, but the position of attorney-general is appointed, not elected, so we're screwed :p I hear they make an improved ballot paper in lead for those situation...
Doctor Cal'torien Gallente The Vikings of the Black Sea	Posted - 2010.02.16 19:18:00 - [37] Edited by: Doctor Cal''torien on 16/02/2010 19:19:00 censoring internets and other forms of media often leads to revolution LONG LIVE THE AUSIE REVOLUTION!!! BURN WHAT'S-HIS-FACE! anyway i reccommend you kill him if you can't vote em out, just sayin _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Originally by: Damien Grammaticus Feeding your cat Scrabble tiles and copying the poop would have created a more legible post.
Th0rG0d Pilots From Honour Aeternus.	Posted - 2010.02.16 19:42:00 - [38] Originally by: Doctor Cal'torien Edited by: Doctor Cal''torien on 16/02/2010 19:19:00 censoring internets and other forms of media often leads to revolution LONG LIVE THE AUSIE REVOLUTION!!! BURN WHAT'S-HIS-FACE! anyway i reccommend you kill him if you can't vote em out, just sayin is it wrong that this made me lol?! As true as this is, I still find it funny. BURN WHATS-HIS-FACE!! ------ Originally by: Swalesey Ok that makes moe sense. op wans corp where he can whack himself in the balls whilst swinging his tackle to some funkeh music. It's so obvious now you say it out loud
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2010.02.16 19:53:00 - [39] Originally by: Paola DiLivio I hear they make an improved ballot paper in lead for those situation... Originally by: Doctor Cal'torien anyway i reccommend you kill him if you can't vote em out Hmm, I can't imagine why any government would want to block a site where people publicly advocate assassinating politicians and attorneys-general. They should just send cops to your door to investigate posts like that, like they do in the US.
Mr Greh Dead Sun Heavy Mining	Posted - 2010.02.16 19:53:00 - [40] Bump for serious censorship issue.
Doctor Cal'torien Gallente The Vikings of the Black Sea	Posted - 2010.02.16 19:57:00 - [41] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Paola DiLivio I hear they make an improved ballot paper in lead for those situation... Originally by: Doctor Cal'torien anyway i reccommend you kill him if you can't vote em out Hmm, I can't imagine why any government would want to block a site where people publicly advocate assassinating politicians and attorneys-general. They should just send cops to your door to investigate posts like that, like they do in the US. then i expect a visit some time very soon we're lucky, in China they probably kill you... also while i'm advocating for the death of government officials i want to add that dude in Iran to the list _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Originally by: Damien Grammaticus Feeding your cat Scrabble tiles and copying the poop would have created a more legible post.

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Nemesis Factor Caldari RennTech BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.02.16 21:47:00 - [43] Originally by: Koyama Ise Edited by: Koyama Ise on 16/02/2010 15:05:48 A list of things people may not know: The Communications Minister Stephen Conroy is the one proposing Australian Internet Censorship. The legislation for Australian Internet Censorship has not been passed yet and thus the "Great Firewall of Australia" cannot be implemented yet. EVE Online does have a rating with the OFLC. It is rated PG Gaming experience may change online; Mild violence. Michael Atkinson is the person solely responsible for the lack of R18 ratings for games Michael Atkinson attempted and actually had a law passed that would require people posting on elections to post with their real name and post code. It has since been repealed. Link to AdelaideNow article Edit: Correction, EVE Online is PG not M... oops ... I noticed the rating only mentions the mild violence, and not the drug use. Lets hope they don't notice all of the boosters and market drugs in this game. As a late night Seattle player I see a lot of Australians flying around and I hope that doesn't change. TBH I don't see how you guys can remain so calm while taking it in the can from your government. I'm really sorry your missing out on some really great games. Probably pads some piracy number amirite? ~/~ Sultan of Buruni
Atomos Darksun The Maverick Navy IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.16 23:42:00 - [44] http://www.news.com.au/technology/gamers-scarier-than-bikies-says-michael-atkinson/story-e6frfro0-1225830886493 Oh man, people are funny. Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... Linkification, Baby.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Honour Before Death Nominis Expers	Posted - 2010.02.17 00:01:00 - [45] Quote: In 2004 Mr Atkinson told South Australian Parliament that bikies had used a park barbeque in his electorate to "cook a cat for human consumption". He was later forced to apologise. The animal was not a cat, the incident happened at another location and bikies weren't involved. derpity durp

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