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snutt	Posted - 2004.11.26 18:01:00 - [61] Originally by: Shadowsword Originally by: snutt The Brutix 325 CPU is a major joke, and I ain't laughing. It needs ATLEAST 100 more, like the Cyclone. A grid increased would certainly not be wrong either.. Megathron got more grid than the tempest because it's suppose to armor tank, yet still the Brutix don't over the Cyclone? The situation is the same, only different names on the ships. I'am begining to think the mixed up the Brutix grid and CPU stats with the Cyclone.. You can do a lot of decent setups with 325 CPU, and projectiles tend to use more grid than rails. If the Brutix could fit 7 neutron blasters without needing to sacrifice low slots, it would be WAY overpowered. You can do decent setups with 325 CPU, on a cruiser maybe. You are aware that the Brutix have two more high slots (turret) and one more medium slot than the Thorax, and are using the most CPU intensive guns, hybrids, while only have a mere 25 CPU more ? And I'am definitively not asking for it to be able to fit 7x Neutron Blasters without needing to sacrifice low slots. A mere 100 grid would suffice. Quota #4 void. Great, not a single valid point.. don't post again unless you are serious. Mess with the best, die like the rest Real men structure tank
snutt	Posted - 2004.11.26 18:01:00 - [62] Originally by: Shadowsword Originally by: snutt The Brutix 325 CPU is a major joke, and I ain't laughing. It needs ATLEAST 100 more, like the Cyclone. A grid increased would certainly not be wrong either.. Megathron got more grid than the tempest because it's suppose to armor tank, yet still the Brutix don't over the Cyclone? The situation is the same, only different names on the ships. I'am begining to think the mixed up the Brutix grid and CPU stats with the Cyclone.. You can do a lot of decent setups with 325 CPU, and projectiles tend to use more grid than rails. If the Brutix could fit 7 neutron blasters without needing to sacrifice low slots, it would be WAY overpowered. You can do decent setups with 325 CPU, on a cruiser maybe. You are aware that the Brutix have two more high slots (turret) and one more medium slot than the Thorax, and are using the most CPU intensive guns, hybrids, while only have a mere 25 CPU more ? And I'am definitively not asking for it to be able to fit 7x Neutron Blasters without needing to sacrifice low slots. A mere 100 grid would suffice. Quota #4 void. Great, not a single valid point.. don't post again unless you are serious. Mess with the best, die like the rest Real men structure tank
Teeth	Posted - 2004.11.26 18:44:00 - [63] Don't get stuck in the ways of the past thinking of fitting neutrons. With Tech 2 Heavy Electrons you can fit your whole high-slot rack and have enough room for an oversized lif burner and deal more damage than tech 1 standard heavy neutrons.
Teeth	Posted - 2004.11.26 18:44:00 - [64] Don't get stuck in the ways of the past thinking of fitting neutrons. With Tech 2 Heavy Electrons you can fit your whole high-slot rack and have enough room for an oversized lif burner and deal more damage than tech 1 standard heavy neutrons.
Mikelangelo	Posted - 2004.11.26 19:10:00 - [65] Originally by: Siddy Originally by: The Monk Yes unfortunatly I have noticed that practicaly all Gallente ships are bad for setting up for the roles they were desined for! welcome to the world of tempest user i hope you enjoy the stay in nerfville Yeah, I know what you mean Siddy. Cry me a river. Brutix isn't that bad.
Mikelangelo	Posted - 2004.11.26 19:10:00 - [66] Originally by: Siddy Originally by: The Monk Yes unfortunatly I have noticed that practicaly all Gallente ships are bad for setting up for the roles they were desined for! welcome to the world of tempest user i hope you enjoy the stay in nerfville Yeah, I know what you mean Siddy. Cry me a river. Brutix isn't that bad.
Alexi Borizkova	Posted - 2004.11.26 19:20:00 - [67] It looks to me that an interesting build for the Brutix is one that focuses most if not all it's resources into damage dealing, then depends on a Vexor or thorax that is armor tanked itself and uses remote armor reps(or a Logistics cruiser if available) to handle all the Brutix's tanking. But that is just continuing the litany of "It's not a flaw, it's a feature! They are encouraging teamplay and people forming giant corps or press gangign their friends into eve for backup!" Either way though, my bruix is just gonna be a mining platform, and I will put the rest of my Megathron fund towards the Raven I really wanted as a BS anyhow.
Alexi Borizkova	Posted - 2004.11.26 19:20:00 - [68] It looks to me that an interesting build for the Brutix is one that focuses most if not all it's resources into damage dealing, then depends on a Vexor or thorax that is armor tanked itself and uses remote armor reps(or a Logistics cruiser if available) to handle all the Brutix's tanking. But that is just continuing the litany of "It's not a flaw, it's a feature! They are encouraging teamplay and people forming giant corps or press gangign their friends into eve for backup!" Either way though, my bruix is just gonna be a mining platform, and I will put the rest of my Megathron fund towards the Raven I really wanted as a BS anyhow.
GrendelPrime	Posted - 2004.11.26 20:10:00 - [69] Originally by: Mauriceg Offtopica I'm currently flying my Brutix with 7 250mm rails and its sweet... And yes, they all work. Its not armor tanked, but I hit at 40k. Use your imagination folks.. And how many RCU's are you using to get that kit?? "Though you may die, do not give up your honor" -- Miyamoto Musashi
GrendelPrime	Posted - 2004.11.26 20:10:00 - [70] Originally by: Mauriceg Offtopica I'm currently flying my Brutix with 7 250mm rails and its sweet... And yes, they all work. Its not armor tanked, but I hit at 40k. Use your imagination folks.. And how many RCU's are you using to get that kit?? "Though you may die, do not give up your honor" -- Miyamoto Musashi
Noriath	Posted - 2004.11.26 20:55:00 - [71] I don't think Gallante ever had a ship that people were really afraid of, nothing that's really bad, but nothing that's incredibly powerful either... Anyways, if you think how the Brutix measures up to the Ferox, look how it measures up to the Deimos, that's really more of a problem
Noriath	Posted - 2004.11.26 20:55:00 - [72] I don't think Gallante ever had a ship that people were really afraid of, nothing that's really bad, but nothing that's incredibly powerful either... Anyways, if you think how the Brutix measures up to the Ferox, look how it measures up to the Deimos, that's really more of a problem
Shatza	Posted - 2004.11.26 21:52:00 - [73] Originally by: Seraph Demon sometimes, ships just suck... like the ares interceptor... oh wait, that's gallente too would u like to duel???
Shatza	Posted - 2004.11.26 21:52:00 - [74] Originally by: Seraph Demon sometimes, ships just suck... like the ares interceptor... oh wait, that's gallente too would u like to duel???
Nyk0n	Posted - 2004.11.26 23:18:00 - [75] Edited by: Nyk0n on 26/11/2004 23:22:25 Aye it su)(or first class. When i first flew 1, 7 nutrons and a 100n ab was cool. Now its a 10n mwd, 7 ions as long as ur running small reps, which if u uprate to med, ur startin to look at electrons in high...... The grid reduction killed it. Well at least converted it to a overgrown rax...... The caldari 1 is lookin a good bet, with the hp on these ships i think it "asks" 4 bs size rep modules, which the caldari ship can fit with ease (lge booster), stick even a med rep on a brutix ur looking at comprimises elsewhere, even with a med it wont survive much past the time it takes to deal it damage eqal to its total "starting" hp cos that rep just aint gonna give it ennuf defence fast ennuf. It needs at least to be able to fit nutrons and a med rep with its mwd without haveing to look at rcus in low imo
Nyk0n	Posted - 2004.11.26 23:18:00 - [76] Edited by: Nyk0n on 26/11/2004 23:22:25 Aye it su)(or first class. When i first flew 1, 7 nutrons and a 100n ab was cool. Now its a 10n mwd, 7 ions as long as ur running small reps, which if u uprate to med, ur startin to look at electrons in high...... The grid reduction killed it. Well at least converted it to a overgrown rax...... The caldari 1 is lookin a good bet, with the hp on these ships i think it "asks" 4 bs size rep modules, which the caldari ship can fit with ease (lge booster), stick even a med rep on a brutix ur looking at comprimises elsewhere, even with a med it wont survive much past the time it takes to deal it damage eqal to its total "starting" hp cos that rep just aint gonna give it ennuf defence fast ennuf. It needs at least to be able to fit nutrons and a med rep with its mwd without haveing to look at rcus in low imo
Stan hyd	Posted - 2004.11.26 23:40:00 - [77] i would love to see the rational when they decided to nerf the brutix IDIOTS STIZUM FACTA NON VERBA
Stan hyd	Posted - 2004.11.26 23:40:00 - [78] i would love to see the rational when they decided to nerf the brutix IDIOTS STIZUM FACTA NON VERBA
Clay101	Posted - 2004.11.26 23:54:00 - [79] ok i've already expressed my views on this issue on another thread so here goes (i found the thread and this is wat i posted and still feel) OMG WTF IT WTFBBQPWNS THE OTHER ONE AHHHH BLARG OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!!111!!11!1!!!! WTF guys - it seems that with all these people complaining about "oh this isn't balanced, lets nerf it so it is" or "OMG this ship doesn't have this much of this but that ship has way more" - it seems that all you want is 4 ships to fly and only 4 no more ... 1 BS 1 Cruiser 1 Frig 1 Hauler no races no difference between them NOTHING ... GET OVER IT - things aren't meant to be PERFECTLY BALLANCED - some ships WILL be better than others in some respects but not as good in other respects ... if you don't like the Ferox - fly a Brutix simple as that - done - no "if's", "and's" or "but's" to it ... that's it just fly the other ship OMG was that hard? i don't fly Heron because it sux - i don't fly an Osprey because it sux (I PvP) - i don't fly haulers because they SUCK ... ok i'm done sry if i offended anyone
Clay101	Posted - 2004.11.26 23:54:00 - [80] ok i've already expressed my views on this issue on another thread so here goes (i found the thread and this is wat i posted and still feel) OMG WTF IT WTFBBQPWNS THE OTHER ONE AHHHH BLARG OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!!111!!11!1!!!! WTF guys - it seems that with all these people complaining about "oh this isn't balanced, lets nerf it so it is" or "OMG this ship doesn't have this much of this but that ship has way more" - it seems that all you want is 4 ships to fly and only 4 no more ... 1 BS 1 Cruiser 1 Frig 1 Hauler no races no difference between them NOTHING ... GET OVER IT - things aren't meant to be PERFECTLY BALLANCED - some ships WILL be better than others in some respects but not as good in other respects ... if you don't like the Ferox - fly a Brutix simple as that - done - no "if's", "and's" or "but's" to it ... that's it just fly the other ship OMG was that hard? i don't fly Heron because it sux - i don't fly an Osprey because it sux (I PvP) - i don't fly haulers because they SUCK ... ok i'm done sry if i offended anyone
Shadowsword	Posted - 2004.11.27 00:51:00 - [81] Originally by: snutt 7x Dual 150mm = 7x = 80MW = 560MW. 1250 - 560 = 690 grid left, that's why. Sure you could replace one of them with a CR, but then you are only utilizing 44.8% of the grid, waste? Still alot of grid going to waste afterwards. Replacing the Repairer with a CR allows a maximum 'upgrade' of 3 guns to 250mm, pityfull to say atleast.. Why are you using 7 units of the least damaging med hybrid weapon as starting point of your setup? It would be more logic, and more simple, to start putting the med/low slot stuff and then fitting the weapons with what's left of the CPU and Grid. I suppose then the the fact that you don't drain you cap in 30 secs anymore is pityfull, too. In my book, the upgrade in firepower is only second in importance. Originally by: snutt PVP hunting is not reliable possible.. it just isn't.. When you have to downgrade your guns to fit a tanking setup because there is not enough CPU to use higher end guns, something is wrong. Brutix setups: 406 CPU 1250 Grid Variant 1: 6 Modal Heavy Ion blaster->131 CPU, 900 Grid 1 Light Ion Blaster II: 17 CPU, 15 Grid 10 MN MWD->50 CPU, 150 Grid X5 Webbifier->21 CPU 2 cap recharger II->30 CPU Med Armor repairer II->25 CPU, 175 Grid 3 N-Type hardeners-> 96 CPU, 3 Grid Cap relay->4 CPU Total: 374 CPU and 1243 Grid Variant 2: 5250mm prototype rails->128 and 1125 Grid 2150mm railgun II->42 CPU and 22 Grid X5 Webbifier->21 CPU 3 cap recharger II->45 CPU Med 'Acco' repairer->25 CPU, 150 Grid 3 N-Type hardeners-> 96 CPU, 3 Grid PDU II->20 CPU (bringing the ship grid to 1312) Total 377 CPU and 1300 grid For pvp just replace a cap recharger for a warp scrambler or warp dirsuptor. So, the variant 1 is like a blasterax on steroids, and Blasteraxes have proven their worthiness in pvp often enough. The variant 2, while still vulnerable to EW like almost every ship, can still outtank and outdamage a similary tanked Ferox. The Brutix isn't as gimped as you may think at first glance
Shadowsword	Posted - 2004.11.27 00:51:00 - [82] Originally by: snutt 7x Dual 150mm = 7x = 80MW = 560MW. 1250 - 560 = 690 grid left, that's why. Sure you could replace one of them with a CR, but then you are only utilizing 44.8% of the grid, waste? Still alot of grid going to waste afterwards. Replacing the Repairer with a CR allows a maximum 'upgrade' of 3 guns to 250mm, pityfull to say atleast.. Why are you using 7 units of the least damaging med hybrid weapon as starting point of your setup? It would be more logic, and more simple, to start putting the med/low slot stuff and then fitting the weapons with what's left of the CPU and Grid. I suppose then the the fact that you don't drain you cap in 30 secs anymore is pityfull, too. In my book, the upgrade in firepower is only second in importance. Originally by: snutt PVP hunting is not reliable possible.. it just isn't.. When you have to downgrade your guns to fit a tanking setup because there is not enough CPU to use higher end guns, something is wrong. Brutix setups: 406 CPU 1250 Grid Variant 1: 6 Modal Heavy Ion blaster->131 CPU, 900 Grid 1 Light Ion Blaster II: 17 CPU, 15 Grid 10 MN MWD->50 CPU, 150 Grid X5 Webbifier->21 CPU 2 cap recharger II->30 CPU Med Armor repairer II->25 CPU, 175 Grid 3 N-Type hardeners-> 96 CPU, 3 Grid Cap relay->4 CPU Total: 374 CPU and 1243 Grid Variant 2: 5250mm prototype rails->128 and 1125 Grid 2150mm railgun II->42 CPU and 22 Grid X5 Webbifier->21 CPU 3 cap recharger II->45 CPU Med 'Acco' repairer->25 CPU, 150 Grid 3 N-Type hardeners-> 96 CPU, 3 Grid PDU II->20 CPU (bringing the ship grid to 1312) Total 377 CPU and 1300 grid For pvp just replace a cap recharger for a warp scrambler or warp dirsuptor. So, the variant 1 is like a blasterax on steroids, and Blasteraxes have proven their worthiness in pvp often enough. The variant 2, while still vulnerable to EW like almost every ship, can still outtank and outdamage a similary tanked Ferox. The Brutix isn't as gimped as you may think at first glance
Cracken	Posted - 2004.11.27 01:26:00 - [83] 5 heavy launchers without damage mods or bonuses aren't that great, and a Ferox full of damage mods will have a hard time tanking you long enough to kill you. Besides, a ship using such a setup would be pretty much dead meat to a pair of interceptors. um the inty's would be dead meat with the missle changes the heavy missles pretrack now and hav a speed of 1,200m/s so the inty's would be flying into their doom. THis has been tested by me on the test server and makes for a fiercesome setup vs blood raider inty's. Couldn't get another player too go up against this setup also fit a couple of tracking enhancers in lows and 2x heavy ions blasters with am ammo unorthodox but ow does it hurt have gotten a nice 400 damage wrecking hit which I still think is a bit screwy.
Cracken	Posted - 2004.11.27 01:26:00 - [84] 5 heavy launchers without damage mods or bonuses aren't that great, and a Ferox full of damage mods will have a hard time tanking you long enough to kill you. Besides, a ship using such a setup would be pretty much dead meat to a pair of interceptors. um the inty's would be dead meat with the missle changes the heavy missles pretrack now and hav a speed of 1,200m/s so the inty's would be flying into their doom. THis has been tested by me on the test server and makes for a fiercesome setup vs blood raider inty's. Couldn't get another player too go up against this setup also fit a couple of tracking enhancers in lows and 2x heavy ions blasters with am ammo unorthodox but ow does it hurt have gotten a nice 400 damage wrecking hit which I still think is a bit screwy.
Gierling	Posted - 2004.11.27 02:59:00 - [85] Im really thinking that hte Brutix represents a divergance in Gallente Strategy. I keep looking at it and thinking that it's just begging for a rail setup with Damage mods. (Yes Gallente uses rails as well ) The thing is people see the armour rep bonus and they think ARMOUR TANK! and visions of uber tanking go dancing in thier head. However I think the bonus is just there so that you can get the same level of tanking that you would otherwise with much less effort. Bastards we are lest Bastards we become.
Gierling	Posted - 2004.11.27 02:59:00 - [86] Im really thinking that hte Brutix represents a divergance in Gallente Strategy. I keep looking at it and thinking that it's just begging for a rail setup with Damage mods. (Yes Gallente uses rails as well ) The thing is people see the armour rep bonus and they think ARMOUR TANK! and visions of uber tanking go dancing in thier head. However I think the bonus is just there so that you can get the same level of tanking that you would otherwise with much less effort. Bastards we are lest Bastards we become.
Slithereen	Posted - 2004.11.27 04:01:00 - [87] Brutix MWD/blaster setup is a total waste of time now when it comes to missions. I'm trying to work out a Duratix setup with an oversized AB---which for goodness sakes wasn't removed in the game yet and whch you can still use in deadspace complexes----with small rail weapons. _______________________________________________ "Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies, "Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. "Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
Slithereen	Posted - 2004.11.27 04:01:00 - [88] Brutix MWD/blaster setup is a total waste of time now when it comes to missions. I'm trying to work out a Duratix setup with an oversized AB---which for goodness sakes wasn't removed in the game yet and whch you can still use in deadspace complexes----with small rail weapons. _______________________________________________ "Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies, "Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. "Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
perl	Posted - 2004.11.27 05:35:00 - [89] such waste of a beautiful ship model.
perl	Posted - 2004.11.27 05:35:00 - [90] such waste of a beautiful ship model.

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