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Keyaldar	Posted - 2010.02.22 03:59:00 - [1] I just started to browse the forums latley, so bear with me if i get the whole thing wrong. What just striked me odd is the tone around here. Altho its not as worse as it is in other games most posts end up in "hay eve is for the baddies", " if you dont like beeing ganked , go play hello kitty online" and so on. Well for me as a person i can say even with me beeing in lowsec now and then to do my buisness i got ganked and did not like it, altho its part of the game for me and im fine with it. What i dislike is just the tone beeing brought around by some people here. Not every eve player needs to like beeing griefed, ganked or blown into pieces in any other way and still can have hell of a blast in eve. So why all that hate? Sorry to say but i get the impression that a good bunch of people play eve just to spit into someones face and if they cant they get into nerdrage omfgnerfhighsec even more. just beeing curious...
Von Mukesh	Posted - 2010.02.22 04:03:00 - [2] The forums are PvP too. Are you really that sensitive or just being a troll?
Keyaldar	Posted - 2010.02.22 04:05:00 - [3] i can bear it thats not the problem, and as far as i can say i dont think im a troll neither. I just thought id ask around and see if other people around here see it similar than i do or if i just get it wrong thats just it.
Von Mukesh	Posted - 2010.02.22 04:09:00 - [4] Well General Discussion tends to be this way. I personally find it entertaining... But... If you really need info or advice, there are all the other categories as well. An Eve player is a different breed really. If you look past the malice just a little, you almost always find a hint of genuinity, and quite often a helpful answer. Eve is not like any other MMO. Nor are the players.
Keyaldar	Posted - 2010.02.22 04:16:00 - [5] Ok this gives me a good start thanks on that one :) In terms of advice id stick to my corp / alliance im in good hands there :) I just wandered about the bit harsh "discussion culture" around here. In fact i like the nearly complete self enrulement that is in eve thats why i startet to play it in the first place. Never seen any similar MMO and i doubt there is any. Im absolutly sure most of the people around here are quite nice peoples but who am i to judge people :) I just wandered why Eve playeres are "a different breed" fly safe :)
Apoctasy Deskira Industries G String University	Posted - 2010.02.22 04:32:00 - [6] Originally by: Von Mukesh The forums are PvP too. Are you really that sensitive or just being a troll? This ______________________________ Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Please continue to... do what C&P is great for... Heck pod everyone you pirates, Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Zartrader	Posted - 2010.02.22 04:36:00 - [7] Edited by: Zartrader on 22/02/2010 04:36:52 Originally by: Keyaldar Ok this gives me a good start thanks on that one :) In terms of advice id stick to my corp / alliance im in good hands there :) I just wandered about the bit harsh "discussion culture" around here. In fact i like the nearly complete self enrulement that is in eve thats why i startet to play it in the first place. Never seen any similar MMO and i doubt there is any. Im absolutly sure most of the people around here are quite nice peoples but who am i to judge people :) I just wandered why Eve playeres are "a different breed" fly safe :) Most of the time it's in response to someone who wants to make the game they want rather than how it is. Or make it a game they are used to playing and so assume is the right way. Like someone who's addicted to McDonald's burgers slagging off those who like steak. So they blame the game rather than try to learn it. Also, it's easy not to get ganked, scammed etc in this game and it's irritating when players have not used common sense to find that out and start to moan. You should also notice that when a player posts without a chip on his shoulder then it's fine and will get a lot of help. But outside the new player forums then forum PVP happens, it's really not an issue. Some of us are also worried that CCP may be influenced by every other MMORPG which has dumbed down over the years and, in my opinion, ruined them in the process to appeal to a younger, less gamer audience. It would ruin the game for many of us if it happened in EVE so some of us are very sensitive to it. Many of us like a hard challenge in a game and don't see it 'like work'. Having said that EVE is very casual friendly and as I said earlier its dead easy to avoid the problems some seem to get into daily.
AdmiralJohn The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.22 04:46:00 - [8] Originally by: Zartrader Edited by: Zartrader on 22/02/2010 04:39:59Most of the time it's in response to someone who wants to make the game they want rather than how it is. Or make it a game they are used to playing assuming it's the only valid way to play. Like someone who's addicted to McDonald's burgers slagging off those who like steak. So they blame the game rather than try to learn it. Also, it's easy not to get ganked, scammed etc in this game and it's irritating when players have not used common sense to find that out and start to moan. You should also notice that when a player posts without a chip on his shoulder then it's fine and will get a lot of help. But outside the new player forums then forum PVP happens, it's really not an issue. Some of us are also worried that CCP may be influenced by every other MMORPG which has dumbed down over the years and, in my opinion, ruined them in the process to appeal to a younger, less gamer audience. It would ruin the game for many of us if it happened in EVE so some of us are very sensitive to it. Many of us like a hard challenge in a game and don't see it 'like work' and we don't want things given to us easily with a patronising slap on the back. Having said that EVE is very casual friendly and as I said earlier its dead easy to avoid the problems some seem to get into daily. QFT. And as an example: Just earlier today I told this very guy off over board games, because I love Monopoly nearly as much as I enjoy Eve. Doesn't mean I hate him, I just like Monopoly. Respect my Monopoly!
Zartrader	Posted - 2010.02.22 04:54:00 - [9] Originally by: AdmiralJohn Originally by: Zartrader Edited by: Zartrader on 22/02/2010 04:39:59Most of the time it's in response to someone who wants to make the game they want rather than how it is. Or make it a game they are used to playing assuming it's the only valid way to play. Like someone who's addicted to McDonald's burgers slagging off those who like steak. So they blame the game rather than try to learn it. Also, it's easy not to get ganked, scammed etc in this game and it's irritating when players have not used common sense to find that out and start to moan. You should also notice that when a player posts without a chip on his shoulder then it's fine and will get a lot of help. But outside the new player forums then forum PVP happens, it's really not an issue. Some of us are also worried that CCP may be influenced by every other MMORPG which has dumbed down over the years and, in my opinion, ruined them in the process to appeal to a younger, less gamer audience. It would ruin the game for many of us if it happened in EVE so some of us are very sensitive to it. Many of us like a hard challenge in a game and don't see it 'like work' and we don't want things given to us easily with a patronising slap on the back. Having said that EVE is very casual friendly and as I said earlier its dead easy to avoid the problems some seem to get into daily. QFT. And as an example: Just earlier today I told this very guy off over board games, because I love Monopoly nearly as much as I enjoy Eve. Doesn't mean I hate him, I just like Monopoly. Respect my Monopoly! We should have Monopoly wars
Keyaldar	Posted - 2010.02.22 04:54:00 - [10] Ok on trying to bend the game the way they like it im fully with you. Actually eve is different and as postet above id like it because of that mere fact. Learning the ropes is not as hard as long as you have someone around that you can ask questions if they arise. As just for my newbie experiences id never been tutored that good as it happend in eve. With ingame help and the rookie help chan beeing quite good on that matter and corp/alliance i joined afterwards. I Agree with you that is quite easy not to get ganked and mainly scammed most scams are absolulty mega obvious at least those i have seen so far been smelling like a 3 week old dead fish. As for CCP outwash the "good" parts of EVE im not that concerned. From what i have seen so far things get even bigger complexer and even more and more player oriented what imho is a good thing. Eve is quite challenging as it is and for me personally its good the way it is. After reading around those posts altho i start to understand why the things are the way they are thanks for all your comments :)
Koraschi Amarr	Posted - 2010.02.22 05:16:00 - [11] Eve is a tough uphill start. You will spend 10x more reading then playing, and then get about 2/3 misinformation or outdated material. No EVE site seems to 'clean up the trash', so you have cherry pick only the latest information. Anyone that doesn't think this has a steep learning curve (to it's detriment) is just epeen demented. The good: The help channel is fantastic. I've been lurking there for the past month. Asking only the questions that I couldn't find reliable answer for in google. People were great (mostly). Also, this is one of the best sandbox games to EVER come on the market. A stunning achievement. The Bad: Is the game disproportionally filled with asshats? You betcha. It caters to anarchy. People, especially on these forums, mistake their achievements in EVE with anything in real life. If you're paraplegic, then congratulations, if not, it's just an epeen. People discourage new players from learning the game when they rage in these forums. Instead off telling them that they'll help them out and show them the ropes, it's go play 'fill in your stupid game here'. Those are total jerkoffs (everything that implies). The good thing is these forums represent the WORST of the community. Flame one d o u c h b a g s --------------------------- Boom! Head Shot!
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.02.22 05:32:00 - [12] Edited by: Iamien on 22/02/2010 05:34:57 Rage is now present. Seriously though. Players will treat you with as much respect them. If you do not respect us enough to research a question you have, before tasking us with doing it for you,do not expect us to be the kindest of people. Now if You have already done your own research on the subject, and only want to know a small detail that is obscure, feel free to ask. That said please view this: Eve Learning curve. Though that learning curve is over-used and a bit elitist it is true. Eve is a very complex game and we take pride in our own personal amount of understanding of the game. If you want a froup of people whop will be more kind and friendly join a good corporation and/or alliance. THose people are more willing to personally invest in you.
Roxanna Kell Destructive Influence IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.22 05:57:00 - [13] If there is so much anger, rage, and hate in real life, as well as the opposite, why would a game be any different?
Aisley Tyrion DAB	Posted - 2010.02.22 06:52:00 - [14] Originally by: Iamien That said please view this: Eve Learning curve. That image makes me twitch every time I see it because it makes no sense at all. Time spent playing as a function of gaming skill?! What?
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.02.22 07:00:00 - [15] Edited by: Iamien on 22/02/2010 07:01:17 Originally by: Aisley Tyrion Originally by: Iamien That said please view this: Eve Learning curve. That image makes me twitch every time I see it because it makes no sense at all. Time spent playing as a function of gaming skill?! What? Eh it makes sense more than if the axi were flipped. Every bit of skill(or understanding) a player attains in this game is a result of a massive amount of time invested.
Aisley Tyrion DAB	Posted - 2010.02.22 07:05:00 - [16] Originally by: Iamien Eh it makes sense more than if the axi were flipped. Every bit of skill(or understanding) a player attains in this game is a result of a massive amount of time invested. Exactly. That's why the skill should be as function of time, but a simple axis swap wouldn't fix that image. The other curves are pretty much ok in swapped axis but EVE line should be a near flat line at the bottom. But that would not be very 'entertaining', wouldn't it now?
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.02.22 07:15:00 - [17] Originally by: Aisley Tyrion Originally by: Iamien Eh it makes sense more than if the axi were flipped. Every bit of skill(or understanding) a player attains in this game is a result of a massive amount of time invested. Exactly. That's why the skill should be as function of time, but a simple axis swap wouldn't fix that image. The other curves are pretty much ok in swapped axis but EVE line should be a near flat line at the bottom. But that would not be very 'entertaining', wouldn't it now? No it would not.
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Galactic Couriers and Traders	Posted - 2010.02.22 07:16:00 - [18] Well it doubles back on itself, so technically it is not a single function. This is typical. You go on this forum and start reading what people write, finding what they have written to be banal or amusing, never realizing until it is too late that your reading a signature.
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Hostile Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.22 07:17:00 - [19] Its only towards the goons.... the rest can get allong just fine www.garia.net
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.02.22 08:39:00 - [20] I just like to rp an idiot. but then again I'm lazy and usually not up for much of a challenge. my main take on eve is: do what you like I'm fine with that, just don't whine if someone blows you up doing it.
kano donn	Posted - 2010.02.22 09:16:00 - [21] There is much rage because everything is pixels. It easy to not care what the other person thinks.
ChrisDude70 Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.02.22 10:02:00 - [22] My ePeen is bigger than yours. Your argument is invalid. Pretty much sums up half the forum posts. But usually, they only come out when someone makes a stupid suggestion or is trolling. That happens alot here so you see them alot. Oh, and I might add, this is my signature.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.02.22 12:29:00 - [23] That is why I reccommend to new players in the New Citizens forum to not read general discussion for at least 6 months and to never click the COAD or Crime and Punishment forums period. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Fergus McRae Gallente New Eden Regimental Navy Rebel Alliance of New Eden	Posted - 2010.02.22 13:19:00 - [24] People who post on gaming forums aren't here to discuss and exchange ideas so much as they are here to defend the ideas that they hold to be true. That's not the case with every single poster, but it's the case with a lot of them, maybe most of them. Another thing I've noticed over the years of posting on gaming forums is that people don't tend to consider that there's any style of play other than their own that's truly legitimate. All other playstyles are too soft, or too hard, or too boring, or cheating, or cheap, or carebear or whatever. No matter your playstyle, someone will think "ur doin it rong", so you're gonna have to get over that tout-suite. And that includes you, by the way... If you don't like the atmosphere on the forums, maybe you shouldn't come here. Ultimately it's entirely up to you. Remember John Gabriel's Internet Jerkwad Theorum. --- Fergus McRae Cerebral Mastication
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2010.02.22 13:30:00 - [25] Well, I think all the rage is here because its easier. The old timers see no new topics on the forums and everything is repeated almost daily by the noobs. They get bored and distant and rage is easier then copy pasting old answers. Nobody likes being griefed, the grifers are just lazy as tell you to suck it up so that they still have someone to shoot. The forums used to be a nice place, once. Long ago. They could still be if the forums where managed a bit differenlty, like having a noob corner, and a different structure to it. I used to like S&M forum, but its basically an endless repeat of old topics. With something new once in a while during new patches. As for the mindless trolls here they just rage because others rage. After all, 90% of the peple here are sheep (and yes, you "evil" pirates, "eilte" 0.0 players and "carebrear" empire guys are all the same sheep, blindly following, never questioning ).
Kalos Beila	Posted - 2010.02.22 15:43:00 - [26] Something you have to remember is that EVE is a world where the players make the game. Literally. Everything about this game that makes it popular to anyone, puts it in reviews and makes it keep winning awards is the content made by players. The corporations, the alliances, the massive fleet battles - not just the items crafted by players (which make up the bulk of items on the market). More than any other game I have seen, EVE is run by the players. The gameplay is emergent and only appears when in the presence of a large community of other players. So pardon us if we seem a bit snobby but you see, we built this game. Made it what it is today. Ive been in many corps and alliances. Ive been torn down by a know-it-all FC. And you know what? Ive learned from it. I didnt quit. I didnt give up. Mind you, I have raged and suspended my account more than once, but I always left knowing Id be back with fresh air in my lungs and ready to take on the next challenge. The defining quality of EVE is its steep learning curve. That weeds out the teeny-bopper lvl 80 night elves whose AD-HD prevents them from playing games that take more than 10 minutes to master. If instant gratification is your thing, go play some Runescape, WoW, STO or even farmville for that matter. The other pruning mechanic in EVE is its community. Novel strategy and wits are rewarded with not dying. Being careless, making assumptions or otherwise "thinking youre safe" gets you killed. Everyone dies but the clueless die more than others. This is designed to teach you a lesson. Dont blame the community or the game for not seeing that theres a lesson in there. The CEOs and FC's who have insulted me the most when I started are now some of my best friends in EVE. They taught me the tough lessons that forced me to HARDEN THE **** UP. ... Youll hear that alot here and theres a reason. This is a sandbox. Theres no minimap with a compass that always points toward bad guys. Theres no automatic levelups. Youve got to take care of everything on your own; your ship, your character, your fleet, your friends. There is no non-pvp area where you can sit side by side with your sworn enemy without fear. Learn from some veterans and harden up and youll enjoy yourself. If not, go play something else. Not to be insulting or anything but some people really cannot play certain games. You may be one of those who is unable to play a game that requires long term thinking, planning and effort. Sometimes EVE can feel like a second job and thats not for everyone. I wont encourage you to stay if youre a burden on the community and the game isnt enjoyable for you. By all means go find something that pushes your happy button every 5 seconds and rewards you with achievements and romanceable NPC's.
Joe Skellington Minmatar JOKAS Industries	Posted - 2010.02.22 16:11:00 - [27] Originally by: Kalos Beila Something you have to remember is that EVE is a world where the players make the game. Literally. Everything about this game that makes it popular to anyone, puts it in reviews and makes it keep winning awards is the content made by players. The corporations, the alliances, the massive fleet battles - not just the items crafted by players (which make up the bulk of items on the market). More than any other game I have seen, EVE is run by the players. The gameplay is emergent and only appears when in the presence of a large community of other players. So pardon us if we seem a bit snobby but you see, we built this game. Made it what it is today. Ive been in many corps and alliances. Ive been torn down by a know-it-all FC. And you know what? Ive learned from it. I didnt quit. I didnt give up. Mind you, I have raged and suspended my account more than once, but I always left knowing Id be back with fresh air in my lungs and ready to take on the next challenge. The defining quality of EVE is its steep learning curve. That weeds out the teeny-bopper lvl 80 night elves whose AD-HD prevents them from playing games that take more than 10 minutes to master. If instant gratification is your thing, go play some Runescape, WoW, STO or even farmville for that matter. The other pruning mechanic in EVE is its community. Novel strategy and wits are rewarded with not dying. Being careless, making assumptions or otherwise "thinking youre safe" gets you killed. Everyone dies but the clueless die more than others. This is designed to teach you a lesson. Dont blame the community or the game for not seeing that theres a lesson in there. The CEOs and FC's who have insulted me the most when I started are now some of my best friends in EVE. They taught me the tough lessons that forced me to HARDEN THE **** UP. ... Youll hear that alot here and theres a reason. This is a sandbox. Theres no minimap with a compass that always points toward bad guys. Theres no automatic levelups. Youve got to take care of everything on your own; your ship, your character, your fleet, your friends. There is no non-pvp area where you can sit side by side with your sworn enemy without fear. Learn from some veterans and harden up and youll enjoy yourself. If not, go play something else. Not to be insulting or anything but some people really cannot play certain games. You may be one of those who is unable to play a game that requires long term thinking, planning and effort. Sometimes EVE can feel like a second job and thats not for everyone. I wont encourage you to stay if youre a burden on the community and the game isnt enjoyable for you. By all means go find something that pushes your happy button every 5 seconds and rewards you with achievements and romanceable NPC's. Awesome post, thank you.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.02.22 20:01:00 - [28] Originally by: Keyaldar just beeing curious... Last of the Goon Alts spotted. Quick kids take a picture as they are dieing off fast! Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The only thing separating us from frightened, feral monkeys is running water on tap, fuel in the tank, and current in our wall sockets.
Nicholas Barker Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.22 20:08:00 - [29] I am a product of my environment. ------ 0800-LAG-A-NODE
Trader20	Posted - 2010.02.22 20:08:00 - [30] Its the internets, griefin, gankin, and blowin stuff up is normal. You cant do it irl or ur not suppose to so get it all out on the forums/ingame. Gotta vent somehow when u run out of xanies

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