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CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 717	Posted - 2012.06.30 13:16:00 - [61] - Quote Xenuria wrote: CCP has proven to me and everybody else that letting them know about a fight does NOT mean they will reinforce the node as much as it needs to be. Burn Jita is a perfect example. If CCP had reinforced the node to the point where everybody who wanted to participate could jump into the system eventually without their being a hard cap on the total amount of players in system , this thread would have no reason to exist. See my previous reply; you're wrong. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Software Director \| EVE Online, CCP Games \| Follow on: Twitter / Google+

Dave stark Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore 99	Posted - 2012.06.30 13:19:00 - [62] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: Xenuria wrote: CCP has proven to me and everybody else that letting them know about a fight does NOT mean they will reinforce the node as much as it needs to be. Burn Jita is a perfect example. If CCP had reinforced the node to the point where everybody who wanted to participate could jump into the system eventually without their being a hard cap on the total amount of players in system , this thread would have no reason to exist. See my previous reply; you're wrong. so you mean if we cram every one we can find in to 1 system so nobody else can jump in people have no option but to fight outnumbered as re-enforcements aren't able to enter a system? sounds.... interesting.

CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 717	Posted - 2012.06.30 13:19:00 - [63] - Quote Luba Cibre wrote: CCP Explorer wrote: Mara Tessidar wrote: CCP Explorer wrote: Thor Kerrigan wrote: talk the talk. will you.. walk the walk? Yes. (Ask more complicated questions and there might be more complicated answers... ) Does this mean you've finally reinforced the nodes after the cringe-inducing slow motion battles we had to endure this prior week? Have you sent us information on where and when fights might happen? This question tells everyone involved, that CCP is definitely not prepared for Delve War 5. How so? We have nodes ready for fleetfights, we have a fleefight notification system and we have Time Dilation. But of course we don't have inside information on exactly where and when the next big fight is going to occur, but the fleetfight notification system is exactly intended to share that information with us in confidence. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Software Director \| EVE Online, CCP Games \| Follow on: Twitter / Google+

Kijo Rikki Killboard Padding Services 114	Posted - 2012.06.30 13:59:00 - [64] - Quote Ever since I heard of time dialation that pretty much sealed the deal for me never returning to nullsec. IF there is any truth to a joke I saw about self destructing a pod taking 20 minutes well.... I remember a fight in 46DP-0 that took 6 hours, which pretty much ended my will to fight. Not because we lost that day, not because of any effort by the other guys to demoralize us, but purely because at that moment I realized I don't want to be tied to my computer for 6 straight hours every time a station or ihub final timer reaches 0. I don't really want to think about what what kind of hours pilots are putting in to your typical 1300 in local get together these days.
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief 782	Posted - 2012.06.30 14:07:00 - [65] - Quote Everyone please remember, CCP sets up reinforced nodes at downtime. They cannot swap a solar system to a reinforced node once a fight starts (well they could but it would DC everyone in all the solar systems on the node, or maybe even require a total TQ restart). If they do not know which solar systems need to be reinforced, it will not happen. So tell them. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
Andrea Roche State War Academy Caldari State 141	Posted - 2012.06.30 14:12:00 - [66] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: BrianOfNazerath wrote: I am wondering, with the 40 alliances and 50,000 characters that are now poring into delve and the huge fights that should ensue. Is CCP prepared for the stress it will have on their systems? Will Time Dilation be up to the task? Yes. i hope so cos i dont think CCP is gonna get better server stress test than that.
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 1690	Posted - 2012.06.30 15:00:00 - [67] - Quote I can't help but laugh at the CCP notion of planning random fleet fights in advance its like talking to a brick sometimes "You were the chosen one Anakin, you were supposed to bring order to the galaxy, not destroy it!" -Obi Wan (Ben) Kenobi -á
Dorian Wylde Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 108	Posted - 2012.06.30 15:37:00 - [68] - Quote Morganta wrote: I can't help but laugh at the CCP notion of planning random fleet fights in advance its like talking to a brick sometimes Then people should probably stop whining about it not happening. It's more like talking to a brick wall.
SkyMeetFire Volition Cult The Volition Cult 5	Posted - 2012.06.30 16:22:00 - [69] - Quote Perhaps this is slightly naive in regards to the backside operation of EVE, but couldn't you make use of the TD system to 'pause' a highly active node (100% dilation?) and then transfer it over to a reinforced node, then 'unpause' it? Aka an auto-reinforcing system? Or is this simply too difficult within the confines of the back end server code to handle?
Xenuria The Scope Gallente Federation 562	Posted - 2012.06.30 16:40:00 - [70] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: Xenuria wrote: BrianOfNazerath wrote: I am wondering, with the 40 alliances and 50,000 characters that are now poring into delve and the huge fights that should ensue. Is CCP prepared for the stress it will have on their systems? Will Time Dilation be up to the task? I guess we will have to wait and see CCP was not prepared for Burn Jita, what makes you think they will be able to handle this. CCP has really been dropping the ball/Shitting the bed. One of the main reasons I started playing eve was because of the persistent universe. These days eve is turning into second life in space with parcels/solar systems that have waiting lines or are diverting traffic. The community has grown to large for the CCP servers to handle. This war simply will not happen or it will be a few thousand people in a warzone with the remainder sitting outside a gates in other systems waiting in line to jump in. I'm going to absolutely disagree with you that we were not ready for Burn Jita and point you to this devblog http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28640 No matter how CCP PR tries to SPIN the facts it cannot be ignored that a population cap was in place during the burn jita event. You CAN say you disagree with my statement. You CAN'T Say that their was no cap on the population of jita during the event. If you did make some crazy claim that EVE is a single shard without caveats then I could just turn around and post a video of the waiting line outside every gate into jita during the event. Before you go and say something self-defeating like "Well the hardware has limitations" keep in mind how much money CCP makes and how much of that actually goes to server upgrades as a percentage. Xenuria Rising

CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 721	Posted - 2012.06.30 16:56:00 - [71] - Quote Xenuria wrote: CCP Explorer wrote: Xenuria wrote: BrianOfNazerath wrote: I am wondering, with the 40 alliances and 50,000 characters that are now poring into delve and the huge fights that should ensue. Is CCP prepared for the stress it will have on their systems? Will Time Dilation be up to the task? I guess we will have to wait and see CCP was not prepared for Burn Jita, what makes you think they will be able to handle this. CCP has really been dropping the ball/Shitting the bed. One of the main reasons I started playing eve was because of the persistent universe. These days eve is turning into second life in space with parcels/solar systems that have waiting lines or are diverting traffic. The community has grown to large for the CCP servers to handle. This war simply will not happen or it will be a few thousand people in a warzone with the remainder sitting outside a gates in other systems waiting in line to jump in. I'm going to absolutely disagree with you that we were not ready for Burn Jita and point you to this devblog http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28640 No matter how CCP PR tries to SPIN the facts it cannot be ignored that a population cap was in place during the burn jita event. You CAN say you disagree with my statement. You CAN'T Say that their was no cap on the population of jita during the event. If you did make some crazy claim that EVE is a single shard without caveats then I could just turn around and post a video of the waiting line outside every gate into jita during the event. Before you go and say something self-defeating like "Well the hardware has limitations" keep in mind how much money CCP makes and how much of that actually goes to server upgrades as a percentage. I have no idea what you are trying to say here, so I'll just repeat us both to put this back on track: You said: "CCP was not prepared for Burn Jita, what makes you think they will be able to handle this". And I responded: "I'm going to absolutely disagree with you that we were not ready for Burn Jita and point you to this devblog http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28640". What is your point? We knew of the Burn Jita event, we prepared for it, stuff happened, we responded and fine-tuned things. All the details are in the devblog. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Software Director \| EVE Online, CCP Games \| Follow on: Twitter / Google+

Luba Cibre Global Song Setup 147	Posted - 2012.06.30 17:34:00 - [72] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: How so? We have nodes ready for fleetfights, we have a fleefight notification system and we have Time Dilation. But of course we don't have inside information on exactly where and when the next big fight is going to occur, but the fleetfight notification system is exactly intended to share that information with us in confidence. The problem is, no one, not even the FCs etc can tell you where a really big fight (aka supercap blobs) will occur. They escalate from something small. For example, the last supercap brawl in Delve a few weeks ago escalated from a Drake roaming gang into several dead Supers and Titans in the timespan of 60 Minutes in a random system. So the fleet fight notification thingy is in theory a good idea, but only if you fight for "the last structure" in your home like Red Alliance did in C-J. On a normal day, a broadcast goes out, that a enemy fleet is going to do something and 5 minutes later 800 people log in and undock.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 318	Posted - 2012.06.30 17:36:00 - [73] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: How so? We have nodes ready for fleetfights, we have a fleefight notification system and we have Time Dilation. But of course we don't have inside information on exactly where and when the next big fight is going to occur, but the fleetfight notification system is exactly intended to share that information with us in confidence. You don't plan fights like this. The magnitude of a fight is dependent on so many factors it's impossible for anyone to predict far enough in advance for your notification system to be of any use. The system is inadequate, I'm sorry to say. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window. (Link was wrong, now fixed)

CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 725	Posted - 2012.06.30 17:51:00 - [74] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: CCP Explorer wrote: How so? We have nodes ready for fleetfights, we have a fleefight notification system and we have Time Dilation. But of course we don't have inside information on exactly where and when the next big fight is going to occur, but the fleetfight notification system is exactly intended to share that information with us in confidence. You don't plan fights like this. The magnitude of a fight is dependent on so many factors it's impossible for anyone to predict far enough in advance for your notification system to be of any use. And that's why we have Time Dilation. If you can plan then let us know. If you can't plan in such detail to give us specific systems then Time Dilation will keep the fight orderly. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Software Director \| EVE Online, CCP Games \| Follow on: Twitter / Google+

Dheeradj Nurgle Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 21	Posted - 2012.06.30 17:55:00 - [75] - Quote Xenuria wrote: CCP has proven to me and everybody else that letting them know about a fight does NOT mean they will reinforce the node as much as it needs to be. Burn Jita is a perfect example. If CCP had reinforced the node to the point where everybody who wanted to participate could jump into the system eventually without their being a hard cap on the total amount of players in system , this thread would have no reason to exist. However the fact remains there is a serious problem with CCP and the way they manage their servers for large battles. Fact #99999 Jita has it's own dedicated node.
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 502	Posted - 2012.06.30 18:06:00 - [76] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: CCP Explorer wrote: How so? We have nodes ready for fleetfights, we have a fleefight notification system and we have Time Dilation. But of course we don't have inside information on exactly where and when the next big fight is going to occur, but the fleetfight notification system is exactly intended to share that information with us in confidence. You don't plan fights like this. The magnitude of a fight is dependent on so many factors it's impossible for anyone to predict far enough in advance for your notification system to be of any use. And that's why we have Time Dilation. If you can plan then let us know. If you can't plan in such detail to give us specific systems then Time Dilation will keep the fight orderly. This war will probably have the timer fights, but with so many alliances running around in a small area, short notice fleet fights are common. Neither fleet knows it's about to be in a fight for sure until maybe 5-10 minutes before it is sometimes. I remember you guys mentioning that at the backend, you have nodes peanut butter spread, and some examples. Now, I know it's probably not this way right now, but would it be possible to stick Delve/Querious on a couple reinforced nodes and keep them that way? Or does the way the systems layout on the nodes prevent this? We may know the fights will occur in Delve, just not what system.
Lapine Davion Outer Ring Applied Logistics 501	Posted - 2012.06.30 18:27:00 - [77] - Quote Xenuria wrote: CCP Explorer wrote: Xenuria wrote: BrianOfNazerath wrote: I am wondering, with the 40 alliances and 50,000 characters that are now poring into delve and the huge fights that should ensue. Is CCP prepared for the stress it will have on their systems? Will Time Dilation be up to the task? I guess we will have to wait and see CCP was not prepared for Burn Jita, what makes you think they will be able to handle this. CCP has really been dropping the ball/Shitting the bed. One of the main reasons I started playing eve was because of the persistent universe. These days eve is turning into second life in space with parcels/solar systems that have waiting lines or are diverting traffic. The community has grown to large for the CCP servers to handle. This war simply will not happen or it will be a few thousand people in a warzone with the remainder sitting outside a gates in other systems waiting in line to jump in. I'm going to absolutely disagree with you that we were not ready for Burn Jita and point you to this devblog http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28640 No matter how CCP PR tries to SPIN the facts it cannot be ignored that a population cap was in place during the burn jita event. You CAN say you disagree with my statement. You CAN'T Say that their was no cap on the population of jita during the event. If you did make some crazy claim that EVE is a single shard without caveats then I could just turn around and post a video of the waiting line outside every gate into jita during the event. Before you go and say something self-defeating like "Well the hardware has limitations" keep in mind how much money CCP makes and how much of that actually goes to server upgrades as a percentage. Not only is Jita on their own dedicated node, but CCP actually had to implement that 1850 player cap in order to keep TiDI from staying at 90% all weekend. You're basically accusing CCP of being unprepared because they couldn't do more than was physically possible. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
adam smash University of Caille Gallente Federation 101	Posted - 2012.06.30 18:29:00 - [78] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: BrianOfNazerath wrote: I am wondering, with the 40 alliances and 50,000 characters that are now poring into delve and the huge fights that should ensue. Is CCP prepared for the stress it will have on their systems? Will Time Dilation be up to the task? Yes. Don't lie to us how many reboots did we have this week? LOL You were not ready for your own patchs.
adam smash University of Caille Gallente Federation 101	Posted - 2012.06.30 18:32:00 - [79] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: CCP Explorer wrote: How so? We have nodes ready for fleetfights, we have a fleefight notification system and we have Time Dilation. But of course we don't have inside information on exactly where and when the next big fight is going to occur, but the fleetfight notification system is exactly intended to share that information with us in confidence. You don't plan fights like this. The magnitude of a fight is dependent on so many factors it's impossible for anyone to predict far enough in advance for your notification system to be of any use. And that's why we have Time Dilation. If you can plan then let us know. If you can't plan in such detail to give us specific systems then Time Dilation will keep the fight orderly. Maybe hot swapping nodes would have been a better waste of time than making lag a feature... TIDI what a joke. Learn to hotswap the nodes.
Xenuria The Scope Gallente Federation 562	Posted - 2012.06.30 18:44:00 - [80] - Quote CCP Explorer, saying that you are not sure what I am trying to say is a very sub par tactic to evade responsibility. In the event that you are genuinely confused allow me to elaborate. The Dev Blog you linked says many things CCP Explorer wrote: Sometimes, the strain from all that commerce has been enough to overload the server it runs on, and so we've made a single exception in our "no population caps" rule so that things can remain nice and orderly. -http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28640 That is a direct quote from the devblog you linked me in this thread. You said you disagreed with me and yet your own words betray your cause for my own. When you put a population cap on a system you are making it clear that you are NOT ready for more people than what the cap on the population allows. It should come as no surprise to you that the majority of people who wanted to participate in Burn Jita had to "wait in line" for other people in system to leave. I know you're a good person, most people who work for CCP are; but don't **** on my head and tell me it's raining. Xenuria Rising

CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 726	Posted - 2012.06.30 19:02:00 - [81] - Quote adam smash wrote: CCP Explorer wrote: BrianOfNazerath wrote: I am wondering, with the 40 alliances and 50,000 characters that are now poring into delve and the huge fights that should ensue. Is CCP prepared for the stress it will have on their systems? Will Time Dilation be up to the task? Yes. Don't lie to us how many reboots did we have this week? LOL You were not ready for your own patchs. We have had a couple of unexpected reboots recently to deploy changes to deal with the Factional Warfare Loyalty Point exploit (and one reboot to fix client startup issues for players with Windows usernames in Cyrillic). What has that to do with being prepared for fleetfights in Delve? Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Software Director \| EVE Online, CCP Games \| Follow on: Twitter / Google+

MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 453	Posted - 2012.06.30 19:14:00 - [82] - Quote i dont think this guy was prepared PLEX FOR PIZZA! -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 502	Posted - 2012.06.30 19:23:00 - [83] - Quote Explorer, can you put the entire Delve region on a single reinforced node? Or 2?

CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 727	Posted - 2012.06.30 19:48:00 - [84] - Quote adam smash wrote: CCP Explorer wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: CCP Explorer wrote: How so? We have nodes ready for fleetfights, we have a fleefight notification system and we have Time Dilation. But of course we don't have inside information on exactly where and when the next big fight is going to occur, but the fleetfight notification system is exactly intended to share that information with us in confidence. You don't plan fights like this. The magnitude of a fight is dependent on so many factors it's impossible for anyone to predict far enough in advance for your notification system to be of any use. And that's why we have Time Dilation. If you can plan then let us know. If you can't plan in such detail to give us specific systems then Time Dilation will keep the fight orderly. Maybe hot swapping nodes would have been a better waste of time than making lag a feature... TIDI what a joke. Learn to hotswap the nodes. Now why didn't I think of this before? I'll be right back, will code this over the weekend... On a more serious note: Hot swap the nodes to where? To give you some background: The smallest unit in EVE that can be load balanced is a solarsystem. There are smaller units of activity, such as a grid, but a solarsystem is the smaller load-balancable unit. (Note that the concept of a constellation is simply to make solarsystem load balancing simpler and to add locality to the load balancing; the concept of regions is then a game design feature for the market and also a load balancing unit for the market.) Once a solarsystem has such activity that it consumes the entire CPU of a node then it can't be cold or hot swapped anywhere since the activity can't be broken down any further. We have in the past few years moved a lot of location-agnostic services off the location nodes, but at this point a node with a single solarsystem is pretty much just running the physics simulation, inventory system, damage tracking and crime watch if outside 0.0, for that solarsystem. Hence Time Dilation (TiDi). Once the node reaches approx. 80% sustained CPU (with peaks to 100%) TiDi starts to kick in. Instead of having a disorderly slowdown as the node is unable to keep up with requests then we slow down time in an orderly fashion to keep incoming requests at a manageable level, making sure that fight is fair. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Software Director \| EVE Online, CCP Games \| Follow on: Twitter / Google+

Jake Warbird Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1527	Posted - 2012.06.30 19:50:00 - [85] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: BrianOfNazerath wrote: I am wondering, with the 40 alliances and 50,000 characters that are now poring into delve and the huge fights that should ensue. Is CCP prepared for the stress it will have on their systems? Will Time Dilation be up to the task? Yes. Oh explorer,my explorer!

CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 727	Posted - 2012.06.30 19:53:00 - [86] - Quote Xenuria wrote: CCP Explorer, saying that you are not sure what I am trying to say is a very sub par tactic to evade responsibility. In the event that you are genuinely confused allow me to elaborate. The Dev Blog you linked says many things CCP Explorer wrote: Sometimes, the strain from all that commerce has been enough to overload the server it runs on, and so we've made a single exception in our "no population caps" rule so that things can remain nice and orderly. -http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28640 That is a direct quote from the devblog you linked me in this thread. You said you disagreed with me and yet your own words betray your cause for my own. When you put a population cap on a system you are making it clear that you are NOT ready for more people than what the cap on the population allows. It should come as no surprise to you that the majority of people who wanted to participate in Burn Jita had to "wait in line" for other people in system to leave. I know you're a good person, most people who work for CCP are; but don't ** on my head and tell me it's raining. You said that that we were not prepared for Burn Jita and that's not true. We were prepared and as a part of that preparation then we reinforced Jita on our beefiest hardware, set up a schedule for monitoring Burn Jita activity, anticipated to have to fine-tune TiDi parameters (since TiDi was developed and configured/tuned with fleetfights in mind), and decided to keep the already existing population cap on Jita** and adjust it if and as needed. Please don't confuse that last part with not being prepared. That decision was an explicit part of the preparation. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Software Director \| EVE Online, CCP Games \| Follow on: Twitter / Google+


CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 727	Posted - 2012.06.30 19:54:00 - [87] - Quote Aryth wrote: Explorer, can you put the entire Delve region on a single reinforced node? Or 2? Delve is already on multiple nodes. If you guys can, then please send fleetfight requests for individual systems that you know will be "hot". Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Software Director \| EVE Online, CCP Games \| Follow on: Twitter / Google+

Bubanni SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 315	Posted - 2012.06.30 19:56:00 - [88] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: Aryth wrote: Explorer, can you put the entire Delve region on a single reinforced node? Or 2? Delve is already on multiple nodes. If you guys can, then please send fleetfight requests for individual systems that you know will be "hot". :P CCP Explorer, heads up, theres a fleet fight from last week until between 2-6 weeks into the future
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief 783	Posted - 2012.06.30 20:11:00 - [89] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: On a more serious note: Hot swap the nodes to where? Hot swap a single solar system that unexpectedly has a big fight from a regular node which is running several solar systems to a your beefiest hardware node running just one solar system. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 502	Posted - 2012.06.30 20:15:00 - [90] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: Aryth wrote: Explorer, can you put the entire Delve region on a single reinforced node? Or 2? Delve is already on multiple nodes. If you guys can, then please send fleetfight requests for individual systems that you know will be "hot". We are going to try, it's easy with timers, not so easy with all these spur of the moment fleet fights. This many alliances make it a big furball.

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