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Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2010.02.25 13:38:00 - [31] Originally by: UTRocketman11 25 bill net worth? You can spend 10 of that on a PVP char with 50-60 million skill points probably. Then you can fly those expensive ships you want to fly. This. And there is always something easy for someone. All the above is prolly crap Drone Guide
Demolishar Uncle BoB on Crack	Posted - 2010.02.25 13:51:00 - [32] Here's a few things for you to think about: Cybernetics V for pirate implants T2 Rig skills (you have the isk to burn on these) Faction ships and modules Throwing isk at your skill problem WILL solve it to an extent
Business Classy Business Class Investments	Posted - 2010.02.25 14:47:00 - [33] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: Funny, since some people reason that isk earnings from doing lvl 4's are imbalanced: Linkage They are. Trading is a PvP activity, with no Concord, no hi sec and with competition. Trading requires more or less the same money to start up that missioning does but does not achieve: - faction standings - free implants every 16 missions - corp standings (and this for a volume trader means he has to pay someone a good penny to get them). - LP nor trading opens a LP store - trading does not get "sideline" additional stuff, like salvaging or loot. - trading does not get jump clones as byproduct - a trader does not get any ship PvP skill. A missioneer gets many of them. Plus, his stats are attuned to increasing ship PvP skills, a trader has to remap. All you need to lose a week worth of trading is mistyping a zero in one of the 100 order forms you fill per day. /me smacks Vaerah! (very gently) If I did 16 missions for it it is not a free implant! It's just part of the mission revenue stream vOv
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.02.25 16:05:00 - [34] Quote: If I did 16 missions for it it is not a free implant! But you don't do 16 missions for it. In fact the storyline mission is entirely optional (can be left to expire with no consequences), tends to boost a corp that is not even the one you are missioning for (unless you trick it) and some people will even skip it to not tank the opposite faction standings. It's just another bonus for doing a certain EvE activity that finds no counterpart elsewhere. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.02.25 16:12:00 - [35] I myself still find trading hard tbh. How ppl manage to make billions in jita in a few days/weeks is beyond me... I only have a handfull of items I can earn some pocket change with in jita. That is 'earning isk without having to 0.01 isk ur order 10+ times a day.'.
Turiel Demon Minmatar Celtic industries The AsyIum	Posted - 2010.02.25 16:19:00 - [36] Well, even manufacturing can make you a decent amount, I just had a look at one (fairly skill-intensive) set of blueprints which would generate about 980m per week profit, the only problem there is you need to lay down 400m worth of raw materials per day... let alone haul them damn you all!
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.02.25 16:30:00 - [37] Originally by: Turiel Demon Well, even manufacturing can make you a decent amount, I just had a look at one (fairly skill-intensive) set of blueprints which would generate about 980m per week profit, the only problem there is you need to lay down 400m worth of raw materials per day... let alone haul them Let alone SELL all that stuff. I've seen various T1 stuff that could make somewhat decent profits if you could just manage to sell it as fast as you can make it.
Flitterby	Posted - 2010.02.25 16:50:00 - [38] Edited by: Flitterby on 25/02/2010 16:49:58 Originally by: UTRocketman11 25 bill net worth? You can spend 10 of that on a PVP char with 50-60 million skill points probably. Then you can fly those expensive ships you want to fly. I've seriously considered this, but, argh... it just doesn't feel the same :( It would be like jumping to the end of a game that I really sorta enjoy. I don't want to jump all the way to the end, I just want to move a bit faster. And yes, I did put more than an hour a day into trading earlier on, largely because I didn't know what I was doing, made a lot of mistakes, and wasted a lot of effort. I started by buying 2 GTC and selling them both for about 600m. I took that isk and trained up to fly L4 missions, which I did for a couple of months. Then I decided to try trading, which immediately became both more interesting and more profitable than L4 missions. Eventually I quit missioning entirely. Almost all my skills are PVP-oriented, but I did invest the time to train up wholesale for the orders and trade support skills to 3/4 depending. I don't want to get +5 or pirate implants, because I still am not very good at PVP and I wouldn't want to risk losing them. I don't feel I'm rich enough to do that. Anyway, I'd eat into my seed corn quickly if I flew with 600m worth of implants. Maybe I should check out some faction frigs/cruisers? Those look fun, and don't require huge SP right? Or do they need very high skills to be effective even though the SP aren't required just to undock?
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.02.25 16:58:00 - [39] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha All you need to lose a week worth of trading is mistyping a zero in one of the 100 order forms you fill per day. And all you need to lose a faction fit battleship in high sec is accidentally shoot or smartbomb a ninja salvager. If you count player stupidity when assessing the risks to a market disaster then please use that same train of thought when talking about missions. There is as much risk in the market game as there is in missioning. The only difference is your preference. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Liang Nuren No Salvation War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.02.25 17:31:00 - [40] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: If I did 16 missions for it it is not a free implant! But you don't do 16 missions for it. In fact the storyline mission is entirely optional (can be left to expire with no consequences), tends to boost a corp that is not even the one you are missioning for (unless you trick it) and some people will even skip it to not tank the opposite faction standings. It's just another bonus for doing a certain EvE activity that finds no counterpart elsewhere. Minerals I mine are also free since mining them is optional. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Barton Foley	Posted - 2010.02.25 17:50:00 - [41] Edited by: Barton Foley on 25/02/2010 17:51:07 Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha All you need to lose a week worth of trading is mistyping a zero in one of the 100 order forms you fill per day. And all you need to lose a faction fit battleship in high sec is accidentally shoot or smartbomb a ninja salvager. If you count player stupidity when assessing the risks to a market disaster then please use that same train of thought when talking about missions. There is as much risk in the market game as there is in missioning. The only difference is your preference. Wrong. There are several safeguards to protect people from Concordokken. Some are more obvious than others. First off, there's that nice popup that says essentially "Hey if you do this you will assplode!" No such popup exists for the market, except for the one about regional average that is nigh-totally useless. Secondly, you can tweak your overview to show nothing but mission rats. Third, you can - and get this - not fit smartbombs in highsec. Fourth, if your targeting is that terribad that you mistake a ninja for a red cross, I have no idea how you manage to complete missions in a timely fashion. loledit: you can also mistake red crosses for ninjas I guess.
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2010.02.25 18:05:00 - [42] I have found some interesting things to spend stupid amounts of money on. 1. Merc contracts to pod people (without wardecs). 2. Hiring mercs to pop high sec POS's. Part of the contract is I join the corp to have fun in the attack. Both very expensive but huge amounts of fun. Much bigger wars are on their way!!
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.02.25 18:13:00 - [43] Originally by: Barton Foley First off, there's that nice popup that says essentially "Hey if you do this you will assplode!" No such popup exists for the market, except for the one about regional average that is nigh-totally useless. Wrong. It isn't useless and it DOES let you know if your price is way off. In fact I've mistyped the wrong price and because of this popup I've been able to make corrections to my price. Oh, and by the way. If you manage to still type in the wrong price you can correct it 5 minutes later. Too bad you can't "correct" a mistake after getting your ship blown up in a mission. You're downplaying the popup for markets while not the the ones for missions. How convenient. Quote: econdly, you can tweak your overview to show nothing but mission rats. Third, you can - and get this - not fit smartbombs in highsec. Fourth, if your targeting is that terribad that you mistake a ninja for a red cross, I have no idea how you manage to complete missions in a timely fashion. loledit: you can also mistake red crosses for ninjas I guess. Again, you're downplaying stupid errors that missioners can make while claiming that market PVP is oh-so-dangerous-and-risky!1! Since you're inclined in giving helpful tips to avoid errors in missioning, here are some that should make your market PVP safe as well: 1. Double check your prices (someone with half a brain can do this, no?) 2. If you manage to be sleeping when you typed in the order and STILL managed to somehow miss the popup, don't worry. Wait 5 minutes and correct your mistake. 3. Consistently check your orders for errors and adjust accordingly. 4. Look at market trends (if you have half a brain you'll catch the good deals) == This isn't rocket science. 5. If your orders aren't doing well in your system, move them elsewhere. Do your homework (if you have half a brain you'll pick up on business opportunities. Follow these tips and your market PVP is basically fool proof. With that said, market PVP needs a nerf, as it's just too easy . See what I did? Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
RAW23	Posted - 2010.02.25 18:13:00 - [44] Originally by: cosmoray I have found some interesting things to spend stupid amounts of money on. 1. Merc contracts to pod people (without wardecs). 2. Hiring mercs to pop high sec POS's. Part of the contract is I join the corp to have fun in the attack. Both very expensive but huge amounts of fun. Much bigger wars are on their way!! Hehe - spectator seats for merc wardecs are lots of fun. Underworld Excavators did a great job for me and it was immensely amusing to watch them hammer a "pvp" corp who lived off wardeccing tiny noob industrial corps. High point was them killing a neutral remote-repping faction fitted BS.
LarcatOfRens	Posted - 2010.02.25 20:37:00 - [45] Originally by: RAW23 a "pvp" corp neutral remote-repping faction fitted BS. Does not compute.

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