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Flitterby	Posted - 2010.02.24 20:46:00 - [1] Is it just me, or is making isk by trading ridiculously easy? I haven't run missions or ratted in months, and I've got more isk than my pitiful skills can even spend. In a way it's frustrating, because my skills are preventing me from flying all the shinies my isk could easily afford.
Liang Nuren No Salvation War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.02.24 20:47:00 - [2] Buy a character with all that ISK, and some pirate implants, and go PVP. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Rykker Bow Gallente The Blackfold Brotherhood	Posted - 2010.02.24 20:49:00 - [3] you got some numbers for us? how much, how long it took, etc...
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.02.24 20:52:00 - [4] Originally by: Flitterby is making isk by trading ridiculously easy? Yes. But not for everybody. You'd be surprised how many people go cross-eyed as soon as they hear about "percentages" (yes, seriously), let alone "margins", "ISK trade volume" or maybe "leverage". _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
TheDark ness	Posted - 2010.02.24 20:52:00 - [5] i need 17 mil can i help?
Cecilia Syal Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.02.24 20:56:00 - [6] skill sheet and wallet screenshot or it didn't happen!
Flitterby	Posted - 2010.02.24 20:57:00 - [7] Originally by: Liang Nuren Buy a character with all that ISK, and some pirate implants, and go PVP. -Liang I don't have THAT much isk. Also, I'm frustrated because PVP seems to take MORE time than earning isk. It's dang hard to find good PVP... or maybe I'm looking in the wrong place. Maybe I should try RvB? Let's see, I've been playing for about six months and my net worth is somewhere between 20 and 25 billion, if you include all my order value and assets. Lot less cash than that, of course.
NoLimit Soldier	Posted - 2010.02.24 21:03:00 - [8] Send me 1 Billion otherwise I call B.S/Troll
Flitterby	Posted - 2010.02.24 21:21:00 - [9] Originally by: NoLimit Soldier Send me 1 Billion otherwise I call B.S/Troll Interesting. Two responders have indicated that they want proof of my claim, which leads me to believe that I'm making substantially more isk more easily than the average player. I pretty much knew that, but it's nice to have it confirmed. I'd love to see a histogram of net worth, with deltas, for the player base. I think I'd have more fun raking in isk if I could compare my earnings to other people more directly.
SetrakDark DarkCorp Holdings	Posted - 2010.02.24 21:25:00 - [10] proof or stfu
Ran Khanon Amarr Vengeance Innovations	Posted - 2010.02.24 21:26:00 - [11] Funny, since some people reason that isk earnings from doing lvl 4's are imbalanced: Linkage I guess only the hardcore miners and explorers feel left out. Oh ... and pirates of course. Support Lana's new bounty system.
Liang Nuren No Salvation War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.02.24 21:28:00 - [12] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 24/02/2010 21:29:31 Originally by: Flitterby Interesting. Two responders have indicated that they want proof of my claim, which leads me to believe that I'm making substantially more isk more easily than the average player. I pretty much knew that, but it's nice to have it confirmed. I'd love to see a histogram of net worth, with deltas, for the player base. I think I'd have more fun raking in isk if I could compare my earnings to other people more directly. Go look at the econ dev blogs. As a rule, most players have less than a billion ISK. As a rule, I have less than 15B in assets + ISK - and most of my assets are strewn all over space and I'm too lazy to go pick them up. Domi disruptor there, deadspace fit Ishtar over there, etc. I have < 2B liquid ATM. So feel free to throw a few bil my way - I'd gladly spend it on some 5% hardwirings and pirate implants and go PVPing. -Liang Ed: I should admit that I traditionally think of myself as a 'broke pirate' - there have been times in my Eve career when continuing to buy faction projectile ammo was truly a difficult feat. That was before I started running L4s again, and before I abandoned missions entirely since missions are for chumps. -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Rasheki Minmatar Clann Fian Revival Of The Talocan Empire	Posted - 2010.02.24 21:31:00 - [13] Edited by: Rasheki on 24/02/2010 21:31:10 Making isk is what you do between pew pew. If you are having trouble finding places to die, scan down W-Space from any K-Space location, peak in and toss a o/ in local, someone will gladly come and show you the ropes. This is a GREAT way to throw away some isk, hit the Killboards, and learn a bit about unconventional warfar. Equally fun in small groups or solo, and podding is Always free in W-Space ---- Ad Securitas Per Unitas For Volunteer Auditors see: VOL Audit Thread
Flitterby	Posted - 2010.02.24 21:36:00 - [14] Liang: I think you have the skills to actually fly the expensive ships... the most expensive thing I can fly (after insurance) is an interceptor. I feel like I'm twiddling my thumbs just waiting for skill points to accumulate. Originally by: Rasheki Edited by: Rasheki on 24/02/2010 21:31:10 Making isk is what you do between pew pew. If you are having trouble finding places to die, scan down W-Space from any K-Space location, peak in and toss a o/ in local, someone will gladly come and show you the ropes. This is a GREAT way to throw away some isk, hit the Killboards, and learn a bit about unconventional warfar. Equally fun in small groups or solo, and podding is Always free in W-Space Actually, that sounds really fun! Another idea I've had is to go on much longer roams. Right now I don't stray much from my market hubs because I get antsy if I don't update my orders every day. However, if I have "enough" money for now maybe I should fit out a ship and go for week-long roams.
Rykker Bow Gallente The Blackfold Brotherhood	Posted - 2010.02.24 21:39:00 - [15] Originally by: Flitterby Two responders have indicated that they want proof of my claim, which leads me to believe that I'm making substantially more isk more easily than the average player. I pretty much knew that, but it's nice to have it confirmed. what is the average player making? I think all traders are making more than the average player. The heart and soul of trading is making ISK. I made 5b last month and I'm on track to be making 9b this month. I don't think there are many 4-5 month old players making that kind of scratch. congrats on you bankroll
Chick'n Nugget	Posted - 2010.02.24 21:48:00 - [16] I think your own suggestion of joining RvB would be a good idea. You probably learned in trading that experience goes a long way to learning how to do things the right way. I could tell you what to look for on those price graphs, but until you actually buy some things and see what works well and what doesn't work so well it is hard to get it "right." It is the same thing with PvP. If you have been twiddling your thumbs waiting for your skills to get up to go out and PvP, when you do actually get there you might be kind of disappointed because you aren't going to have a clue what is going on and will probably get your butt handed to you a bunch of times. If you get out there now in some cheap T1 frigates, you will learn a lot. . .and if you want constant (if not always fair) action, RvB is great fun. . .especially when you have money burning a hole in your pocket. . . .with 25 bil. . .who cares if you lose a couple of over-equipped t1 frigates?
Flitterby	Posted - 2010.02.24 21:50:00 - [17] Originally by: Rykker Bow Originally by: Flitterby Two responders have indicated that they want proof of my claim, which leads me to believe that I'm making substantially more isk more easily than the average player. I pretty much knew that, but it's nice to have it confirmed. what is the average player making? I think all traders are making more than the average player. The heart and soul of trading is making ISK. I made 5b last month and I'm on track to be making 9b this month. I don't think there are many 4-5 month old players making that kind of scratch. congrats on you bankroll Yeah, I'm probably near the same income as you, and so far every month has been more profitable than the one before. (My number of available orders has been increasing, but more importantly market knowledge takes a while to ramp up.)
Cecilia Syal Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.02.24 21:51:00 - [18] 20 to 25bil net worth, and most you would be willing to lose is an interceptor? that just don't sit right with me so i am more towards not believing , I was in 0.0 losing cruisers my first week, what is the point of having such wealth if you don't plan on using it for enjoyment or some greater good. like helping new players etc. like other said: proof or stfu
pyyKtas	Posted - 2010.02.24 22:01:00 - [19] Edited by: pyyKtas on 24/02/2010 22:02:41 Most of your time, hell maybe even all your time you spend on making isk... That's not really a feat to make 20b in 6 months. Any decent trader can make that. But all you do is trade. Most people do all kinds of things. Personally I've lost billions in ships in pvp and have around 1.5b liquid assets and probably another 3b tied to other assets. Though my time for isk making is limited. p.s. you can probably make that from most professions if you just concentrate on isk farming.
Flitterby	Posted - 2010.02.24 22:49:00 - [20] Originally by: Cecilia Syal 20 to 25bil net worth, and most you would be willing to lose is an interceptor? that just don't sit right with me so i am more towards not believing , I was in 0.0 losing cruisers my first week, what is the point of having such wealth if you don't plan on using it for enjoyment or some greater good. like helping new players etc. like other said: proof or stfu No, that's the most expensive ship I can fly, after insurance. Maybe a T2-fit drake would be a bit more expensive to lose. I really want to fly Recons and HACs, and I'm sure when I do I'll lose lots of money doing so. Just gotta wait on skills. As far as time investment, right now I'm playing about an hour a day, median. Mean is probably more like 2 hours. I definitely am going to cruise through some wormholes ASAP and find some trouble. That sounds like a time-efficient way to find fights.
Cecilia Syal Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.02.24 23:05:00 - [21] Originally by: Flitterby Originally by: Cecilia Syal 20 to 25bil net worth, and most you would be willing to lose is an interceptor? that just don't sit right with me so i am more towards not believing , I was in 0.0 losing cruisers my first week, what is the point of having such wealth if you don't plan on using it for enjoyment or some greater good. like helping new players etc. like other said: proof or stfu No, that's the most expensive ship I can fly, after insurance. Maybe a T2-fit drake would be a bit more expensive to lose. I really want to fly Recons and HACs, and I'm sure when I do I'll lose lots of money doing so. Just gotta wait on skills. As far as time investment, right now I'm playing about an hour a day, median. Mean is probably more like 2 hours. I definitely am going to cruise through some wormholes ASAP and find some trouble. That sounds like a time-efficient way to find fights. Well i mis-understood, guess that number isn't so far fetched come to think of it.... if you know what your doing in the major hubs, well good going to get there, but you know you don't need to wait for skills to have fun, lots to be had even in tech1 ships so get out there and try something new, but i agree skills holding me back too... and not sure i would want to pvp in someones elses toon i bought for isk, so just hang in there is all i can suggest & even try pvp and different things with minimal skills
pyyKtas	Posted - 2010.02.24 23:40:00 - [22] Originally by: Flitterby Originally by: Cecilia Syal 20 to 25bil net worth, and most you would be willing to lose is an interceptor? that just don't sit right with me so i am more towards not believing , I was in 0.0 losing cruisers my first week, what is the point of having such wealth if you don't plan on using it for enjoyment or some greater good. like helping new players etc. like other said: proof or stfu No, that's the most expensive ship I can fly, after insurance. Maybe a T2-fit drake would be a bit more expensive to lose. I really want to fly Recons and HACs, and I'm sure when I do I'll lose lots of money doing so. Just gotta wait on skills. As far as time investment, right now I'm playing about an hour a day, median. Mean is probably more like 2 hours. I definitely am going to cruise through some wormholes ASAP and find some trouble. That sounds like a time-efficient way to find fights. Bolded the main part. But how much time had you spent at the beginning?
Maria Yumeno	Posted - 2010.02.25 02:15:00 - [23] Originally by: Flitterby Is it just me, or is making isk by trading ridiculously easy? I haven't run missions or ratted in months, and I've got more isk than my pitiful skills can even spend. In a way it's frustrating, because my skills are preventing me from flying all the shinies my isk could easily afford. If it really is that easy, would you care sharing what you trade and where?
Mire Stoude The Undesirables	Posted - 2010.02.25 04:16:00 - [24] If you really need more skills to burn that isk up, you could always go buy a character from the forums that has all the skills you want.
F90OEX F9X	Posted - 2010.02.25 04:38:00 - [25] Think about it, how hard is it making 1bil per week running lvl 4>5 missions .... over 6 months 20-25bil, I'd say that's very possible, even though after the first few weeks, missions the start to become very static and uninteresting.
UTRocketman11 Caldari	Posted - 2010.02.25 08:09:00 - [26] 25 bill net worth? You can spend 10 of that on a PVP char with 50-60 million skill points probably. Then you can fly those expensive ships you want to fly.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.02.25 09:04:00 - [27] Originally by: Flitterby I'd love to see a histogram of net worth, with deltas, for the player base. I think I'd have more fun raking in isk if I could compare my earnings to other people more directly. While far from the actual player stats it shows some public pilots at least - Linkage Secure 3rd party service

Ontaku Oroa Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.02.25 09:31:00 - [28] Originally by: Flitterby As far as time investment, right now I'm playing about an hour a day, median. Mean is probably more like 2 hours. I definitely am going to cruise through some wormholes ASAP and find some trouble. That sounds like a time-efficient way to find fights. Yeah, I am also interested in how much time did you spend at the beginning and how much capital did you start with. I started with 300 mill and made 2.5 billion in my first month of trading, would be very interested to know how you make 9 - I assume you're just trading in Really Expensive Stuff With Insane Margins, things that are out of reach for the common trader, right? By the way, if you want easy fights, go to PvP hotspots. Don't cruise wormholes, because first, you will spend a LOT of time finding one, second, not everyone in a wormhole is a gun-ho PvP fitted enthusiast. In fact carebears will cloak up and huddle in silence spamming their directional scanner for probes as soon as they see a o/ in local. Amamake, Old Man Star, prowling 0-sec if you got the guts, I recommend Providence, lots of neutral 'bears there waiting to be blown up, although be careful where you tread or you'll be ganked, it is a warzone after all. Alternatively, just find a lowsec missioning system with either a prober alt or one of my special Swiss Knife Hurricane loadouts, probe down those missioning/exploring suckers and blow them up. And in Eve, half the fun of PvP is looking for it. In my opinion.
Dasola Minmatar	Posted - 2010.02.25 11:53:00 - [29] Originally by: Flitterby Is it just me, or is making isk by trading ridiculously easy? I haven't run missions or ratted in months, and I've got more isk than my pitiful skills can even spend. In a way it's frustrating, because my skills are preventing me from flying all the shinies my isk could easily afford. Too easy? Damn maube i should hire you for give me few lessons about tradeing them
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.02.25 13:01:00 - [30] Quote: Funny, since some people reason that isk earnings from doing lvl 4's are imbalanced: Linkage They are. Trading is a PvP activity, with no Concord, no hi sec and with competition. Trading requires more or less the same money to start up that missioning does but does not achieve: - faction standings - free implants every 16 missions - corp standings (and this for a volume trader means he has to pay someone a good penny to get them). - LP nor trading opens a LP store - trading does not get "sideline" additional stuff, like salvaging or loot. - trading does not get jump clones as byproduct - a trader does not get any ship PvP skill. A missioneer gets many of them. Plus, his stats are attuned to increasing ship PvP skills, a trader has to remap. All you need to lose a week worth of trading is mistyping a zero in one of the 100 order forms you fill per day. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz

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