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Zedic Amarr Universalis Imperium	Posted - 2010.02.25 22:34:00 - [31] This needs to be fixed, seems like an exploit to me, though I realize it's not but it ought to be.
Mihara Shiharu	Posted - 2010.02.25 22:47:00 - [32] CCP should change it so the Orca gets flagged when it lets a flagged ship docked. Tha way it either gets concordoken or you can kill it.
Drykor Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2010.02.25 22:52:00 - [33] Seems like an oversight in game mechanics to me. I think the agression timer should apply to docking into a player ship as well.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2010.02.25 23:14:00 - [34] Is it possible to evade Concord via this mechanic? If so, that ought to get it looked at quite quickly. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression
FreddyMac	Posted - 2010.02.25 23:42:00 - [35] Originally by: Nick Bete Edited by: Nick Bete on 25/02/2010 22:03:49 This sounds pretty questionable to me mechanics-wise. But as others have said, if you suspect an exploit, please don't broadcast it on the forums. Fill out a bug report here: the magical link of bug squashery and loophole closure Ok, but then there is that part where the gm's told me to post this on the forums and see if a dev can answer, as the gm's are unclear on this. So do me a favor, actually read my post. I am doing what I was told by a gm to do. But I agree it seems questionable at best.
Ryhss Caldari	Posted - 2010.02.25 23:45:00 - [36] Originally by: FreddyMac Actually, I mostly play in 0.0. We rent from atlas. Im only in high sec to help out a friend that has a war dec. I dont mind if someone can flips. If they want to play Eve that way, thats cool. But he shouldnt be able to escape me blowing him up for mistaking me as a helpless miner, by docking into a nearby Orca piloted by his friend. If he wants to can flip miners that cool. But he should have to face up to his choice of actions. Eve forces you to face your actions by not allowing you to dock or use a gate, after firing on someone. Why should can flipping be different? If my corp gets war dec'd, joins an alliance, and then leaves the alliance to clear the war dec, its considered an exploit. Im just wondering why this should be different. Im not asking that high sec miners be made safer. Im asking that we be given the chance to blow the can flippers up when they steal. Someone is using a game mechanic to avoid the consequences that CCP intended to be in-game. If they didnt intend for stealing to have consequences, why do they make thieves go red? In any event, the gm's told us to post on the forums to hopefully get a dev response, in order to shed some light on an issue the gm's are clearly not sure of. Apparently they think this issue could POSSIBLY be considered an exploit. I'd like to know wether this is ok or not, because if its ok, then I will CERTAINLY begin using it myself. Its like an I-WIN button in belts lol. Awesome! An intelligent post! This is my sig, stop reading.
Ephemeron Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates	Posted - 2010.02.26 00:30:00 - [37] Exploit or not, this is definitely a bad game mechanic, since it breaks the design pattern with station docking and gate jumping. Not to mention it goes against the ideals of hardcore PvP game. I'd consider this a simple oversight on part of the devs that they would fix quickly in next patch. But I'm not so sure about CCP's integrity anymore.
Arcane Azmadi Caldari First Flying Wing Inc Primary.	Posted - 2010.02.26 00:37:00 - [38] Definitely an exploit. While it makes sense that you can dock in an Orca even if you have aggression (it's a privately-owned ship) this seems like they get to have it both ways. An Orca allowing a ship with aggression to dock at it should become a target itself, same as if it'd been using remote reps to assist.
CHAOS100 Raata Invicti Reckoning.	Posted - 2010.02.26 00:41:00 - [39] In a related non-carebear event, pirates can easily use this to camp stations at 0 risk. Sit in a big docking range station with a carrier and you can dock any ships AFTER aggroing anyone in case it goes wrong or is a trap. Then the carrier docks up and everything is safe. GM response said this is not an exploit, so feel free to be lame. --------------
Gunnanmon Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.02.26 01:54:00 - [40] Brilliant, yes. Exploit, no. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.02.26 02:18:00 - [41] solution you can't dock as your ship is locked works the other way, can't board a ship if it is locked, so why not
Alternate Poster	Posted - 2010.02.26 05:38:00 - [42] Orca pilot should be given the option to allow a flagged pilot to dock, it's a private ship, but accepting the dock should flag the Orca pilot.
Nirtulys Gallente Little Big Industries	Posted - 2010.02.26 08:16:00 - [43] I canflipped hundreds and believe it isn't an exploit but bad game mechanics and it should be fixed. Nice idea would be transfer aggro to aiding orca pilot as it already is with remote repairers.
A'esma Daeva Epic.	Posted - 2010.02.26 08:54:00 - [44] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton solution you can't dock as your ship is locked works the other way, can't board a ship if it is locked, so why not This, titans/carriers/orcas/rorqs should not be able to scoop a ship if it's being targeted, problem solved.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.02.26 09:01:00 - [45] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton works the other way, can't board a ship if it is locked, so why not Unless you are the owner of the ship at which case you can board just fine even if locked. Secure 3rd party service

Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.02.26 09:45:00 - [46] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton works the other way, can't board a ship if it is locked, so why not Unless you are the owner of the ship at which case you can board just fine even if locked. is that so, they how about that "you cannot board this <ship name/type or w/e it says> due to police intervention" I "own" it guess I never really tested ejecting and boarding my ship
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2010.02.26 09:58:00 - [47] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton solution you can't dock as your ship is locked works the other way, can't board a ship if it is locked, so why not Not true, you can dock into an orca (or switch ships) while being locked. Thing is though, the orca is massively overpowered for mining, mostly due to not needing cans anymore to transfer ore reducing the canflipper threat to zero. To "make up for that" that same orca is also a very handy/overpowered tool for the can flipper. Karma etc etc. ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. Want to learn combat/PVP? Alliance creation service
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.02.26 10:03:00 - [48] Originally by: Marko Riva Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton solution you can't dock as your ship is locked works the other way, can't board a ship if it is locked, so why not Not true, you can dock into an orca (or switch ships) while being locked. Thing is though, the orca is massively overpowered for mining, mostly due to not needing cans anymore to transfer ore reducing the canflipper threat to zero. To "make up for that" that same orca is also a very handy/overpowered tool for the can flipper. Karma etc etc. welllllll duuuuuh, that was sorta the whole point to the op. it was a potential

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.02.26 10:17:00 - [49] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton works the other way, can't board a ship if it is locked, so why not Unless you are the owner of the ship at which case you can board just fine even if locked. is that so, they how about that "you cannot board this <ship name/type or w/e it says> due to police intervention" I "own" it guess I never really tested ejecting and boarding my ship da police cheat But regular pilots without flag and all that can board their own ships. Secure 3rd party service

Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.02.26 10:23:00 - [50] Originally by: Chribba da police cheat But regular pilots without flag and all that can board their own ships. they do that, the bastards
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.02.26 10:26:00 - [51] Originally by: Tulisin Dragonflame Originally by: Benri Konpaku I guess the Orca could get flagged for you if it allows someone to dock, the same way you get flagged for repping someone. But other than that I don't see anything wrong with the way it works. This. Hisec miners took all the steps they should've, grew some teeth, shot back to resolve the situation, and the flipper completely avoided consequence by docking in a neutral. Sounds like the carebear here is the can flipper. This 100% Easy fix, as stated above, if an Orca has a criminal dock in it then the Orca pilot should also be flagged. You know. The concept of harboring a criminal and common sense should red flag this as an exploit. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Lors Dornick Caldari	Posted - 2010.02.26 10:27:00 - [52] Originally by: Drykor Seems like an oversight in game mechanics to me. I think the agression timer should apply to docking into a player ship as well. Oversight or not, it is due to game mechanics. When swapping your current ride to one stored in the Orca the sequence actually is: Launch the new boat. Enter new boat from old boat. Store old boat. Just test to stash a (200k+) BC in the Orca and then swap from a (200k) Hulk. Both will not fit at the same time so the sequence must be as above. So the pilot never docks with the Orca and it's the pilot who is flagged, not the ship.
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.02.26 13:03:00 - [53] Sounds like bull**** to me... --
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.02.26 13:26:00 - [54] People noticed that finally? Took you 14 months too much Well, the fix is simple, CONCORD-flagged *(NOT GENERAL GCC)* are unable to store the ship in the orca, and the orca is unable to scoop ships that are under police intervention. Up to fix POS guns now, before we get someone's carrier alpha striked. <_<
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.02.26 14:21:00 - [55] They should make it so the Orca gets concorded for aiding a criminal Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Lexx Khadar Minmatar Aesir Fleet	Posted - 2010.02.26 14:31:00 - [56] Sounds like a nasty use of game mechanics. Orca should get global criminal flag for helping him I say.
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.02.26 15:15:00 - [57] based on the op, I think that the orca that harboured a criminal should also be flagged, it sounds fair to me as by allowing the harbinger to dock on his orca directly after a crime has taken place means he is in on it.
Llyandrian Amarr Livestock Science Exchange	Posted - 2010.02.26 15:56:00 - [58] You should (have) petitioned this question, all you've done is give others the idea and not enlightened yourself because forum warriors cannot talk authoritatively on the matter of exploits.
FreddyMac	Posted - 2010.02.26 20:01:00 - [59] Originally by: Llyandrian You should (have) petitioned this question, all you've done is give others the idea and not enlightened yourself because forum warriors cannot talk authoritatively on the matter of exploits. Hot damn, please read the OP. I have stated 3 times now, that I DID petition, and the gm's were unclear on wether this is an exploit or not. They said to post on the forums for a dev response to clear it up. Wow. On a related note, I guess I should've used the phrase "bad game mechanics" instead of exploit, as that is more in-line with how I see this. I didnt mean exploit as in I wanted the guy banned for cheating, I meant exploit as in broken mechanics that allow someone to essentially get free kills.
Drykor Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2010.02.26 20:10:00 - [60] Originally by: Llyandrian You should (have) petitioned this question, all you've done is give others the idea and not enlightened yourself because forum warriors cannot talk authoritatively on the matter of exploits. Seems the only way to get CCP to fix stuff is when alot of people are abusing it.

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Up to fix POS guns now, before we get someone's carrier alpha striked. <_<