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FreddyMac
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Posted - 2010.02.25 18:27:00 -
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While mining in a belt, we got can flipped. No biggie. The guy was in a frigate, and when we targetted him, he docked into his friends orca and came back out with a Harbinger. We had him at half armor when he docked the harby back into the Orca, came out in his pod and flew away.
My first issue is, if I cant use a gate or dock at a station after I shoot, why can he insta-dock into his friends Orca after shooting us? Shouldnt it follow the same mechanic as gates and stations?
The second issue, is, after un-docking in his pod, that was it. We couldnt do anything else. We couldnt shoot his pod due to concord, and we had no killrights on the orca.
So this guy, shoots us, then when we start winning, insta-docks his ship into an orca mid-fight, and then comes out in a pod, thus ending the fight.....seems exploitable to me.
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Benri Konpaku
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Posted - 2010.02.25 18:29:00 -
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Not an exploit.
Annoying for you maybe, but not an exploit. |
Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.02.25 18:32:00 -
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And whatever you do if you suspect an exploit
DON'T PLASTER THEM AROUND THe forums...
Meh, just petition it.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.02.25 18:32:00 -
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It feels like an exploit weather or not it is. I do not like this mechanic.
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Kari Kayira
Easter Corporation
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2010.02.25 18:34:00 -
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It might not be an exploit, but avoiding risk at no cost seems counter to EVE's principles.
~ Kari K****a
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.02.25 18:37:00 -
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Meh. Get a dessy next time and pop his pod just out of sheer spite and screw the sec status.
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Krennel Darius
Caldari
Nova Security Systems
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Posted - 2010.02.25 18:37:00 -
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And when they change it and you die trying to do the same thing, you'll be back on here complaining to have the old way back.
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Benri Konpaku
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Posted - 2010.02.25 18:43:00 -
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I guess the Orca could get flagged for you if it allows someone to dock, the same way you get flagged for repping someone. But other than that I don't see anything wrong with the way it works. |
Ryhss
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.02.25 18:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Sig Sour
It feels like an exploit weather or not it is. I do not like this mechanic.
I concur with this statement. Them can flippers are whiny crybabies when a flip doesn't go there way. I'm suprised theres not a whining thread here by the harby pilot claiming YOU exploited somehow.
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Jack bubu
Lyonesse.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.25 18:53:00 -
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There was a other threat about this with the guy saying that this method could also avoid concordokken
if true, deff. an exploit
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.02.25 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Benri Konpaku
...I don't see anything wrong with the way it works.
I am not 100% sure here but I think if you switch ships at the beginning of the warp disrupt cycle, that it will maintain a point on the person while you are changing ships. So if you had it down to a science, you could change ships without losing a point. Now does it start to ring in as an exploit?
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FreddyMac
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Posted - 2010.02.25 19:25:00 -
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It certainly feels like an exploit because it allows the person that STARTED the engagement, to avoid any reprecussion for the action that HE started.
As for posting this on the forums, I full well know how posting exploits on the forums works. I was told by the gm, when I petitioned to ask if this was known, and/or legal, to post on the forums and try to get a dev response.
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2010.02.25 19:28:00 -
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This feels broken to me because you BY DESIGN cannot do the same at a station without a bunch of aggro and session change timers which are in place for pretty sound reasons (e.g. so you have to commit to a fight etc.)
They also require you to be docked to join a corp etc. etc.
I think they need to have a look at this.
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Benri Konpaku
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Posted - 2010.02.25 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
Originally by: Benri Konpaku
...I don't see anything wrong with the way it works.
I am not 100% sure here but I think if you switch ships at the beginning of the warp disrupt cycle, that it will maintain a point on the person while you are changing ships. So if you had it down to a science, you could change ships without losing a point. Now does it start to ring in as an exploit?
Not really.
Now, the concordokken-evade would be an exploit. Maybe we need to start petitioning so the aiding ship gets flagged/concordokkened too. |
Tulisin Dragonflame
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Posted - 2010.02.25 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Benri Konpaku
I guess the Orca could get flagged for you if it allows someone to dock, the same way you get flagged for repping someone. But other than that I don't see anything wrong with the way it works.
This. Hisec miners took all the steps they should've, grew some teeth, shot back to resolve the situation, and the flipper completely avoided consequence by docking in a neutral.
Sounds like the carebear here is the can flipper.
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Hoxillian Montgomery
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Posted - 2010.02.25 19:55:00 -
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CCP should make it so that the ORCA gets flagged as well i.e. helping an outlaw etc.
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destinationunreachable
Hello Kitty Fanclub
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Posted - 2010.02.25 19:57:00 -
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Feels to me like an exploit by game mechanic to me. it's similar to the usage of neutral reppers.
There should be a session timer or the orca flagged.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.25 20:44:00 -
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Solution: mine in lowsec or 0.0 and shoot the Harbinger's pod, then shoot the Orca.
Funny how this is a solution to almost every highsec carebear whine...
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WarlockX
Amarr
Free Trade Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.25 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: destinationunreachable
Feels to me like an exploit by game mechanic to me. it's similar to the usage of neutral reppers.
There should be a session timer or the orca flagged.
or both
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.02.25 20:50:00 -
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Edited by: Sig Sour on 25/02/2010 20:51:43
I think not allowing a targeted ship to be stowed is a better solution.
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari
Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.02.25 20:52:00 -
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Next time target the orca. If orca is locked then he can't dock. Use to work. I'm not sure. But, ccp might have change this. If he can dock and you have orca locked file petition. Maybe, then they will put it back to the way it was.
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2010.02.25 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Solution: mine in lowsec or 0.0 and shoot the Harbinger's pod, then shoot the Orca.
Funny how this is a solution to almost every highsec carebear whine...
Solution: get off of your imaginary high horse.
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FreddyMac
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Posted - 2010.02.25 21:00:00 -
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Actually, I mostly play in 0.0. We rent from atlas. Im only in high sec to help out a friend that has a war dec. I dont mind if someone can flips. If they want to play Eve that way, thats cool. But he shouldnt be able to escape me blowing him up for mistaking me as a helpless miner, by docking into a nearby Orca piloted by his friend.
If he wants to can flip miners that cool. But he should have to face up to his choice of actions. Eve forces you to face your actions by not allowing you to dock or use a gate, after firing on someone. Why should can flipping be different?
If my corp gets war dec'd, joins an alliance, and then leaves the alliance to clear the war dec, its considered an exploit. Im just wondering why this should be different.
Im not asking that high sec miners be made safer. Im asking that we be given the chance to blow the can flippers up when they steal. Someone is using a game mechanic to avoid the consequences that CCP intended to be in-game. If they didnt intend for stealing to have consequences, why do they make thieves go red?
In any event, the gm's told us to post on the forums to hopefully get a dev response, in order to shed some light on an issue the gm's are clearly not sure of. Apparently they think this issue could POSSIBLY be considered an exploit. I'd like to know wether this is ok or not, because if its ok, then I will CERTAINLY begin using it myself. Its like an I-WIN button in belts lol.
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Punic Corp.
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Posted - 2010.02.25 21:01:00 -
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It's pretty obvious they need to fix that.
1. There should be an aggression timer that prevents you from putting the ship into the Orca like there is for docking in stations or jumping through gates.
2. If you wait out that timer and stow the ship in the Orca, then the Orca should be flagged.
3. If you're in the situation where Concord is coming for you, you should not be able to dock your ship into the Orca at all.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.02.25 21:07:00 -
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Wait here is another solution:
Get rid of the ship maintenance bay on the Orca. Save the ship maintenance bays for big boys in non concord protected space.
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FreddyMac
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Posted - 2010.02.25 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Solution: mine in lowsec or 0.0 and shoot the Harbinger's pod, then shoot the Orca.
Funny how this is a solution to almost every highsec carebear whine...
Because mining in low sec is so profitable. If you think Im a carebear, you are sorely mistaken. I do missions, plexes and those various things, for one thing and one thing only. To make money so I can lose more ships.
Now even though you are an idiot, I figured even you would be able to understand, that if this was a carebear whine, I would be asking for CCP to make it so people couldnt can flip me or agress me and to make me safe while mining. I didnt. I asked that I be allowed to finish blowing the dude away. Seems quite the opposite of a high sec carebear whine.
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Ba'Rumph
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2010.02.25 21:25:00 -
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Orca should get flagged imo.
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Nick Bete
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Posted - 2010.02.25 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: Nick Bete on 25/02/2010 22:03:49
This sounds pretty questionable to me mechanics-wise. But as others have said, if you suspect an exploit, please don't broadcast it on the forums. Fill out a bug report here: the magical link of bug squashery and loophole closure |
Baneken
Gallente
Aseveljet
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Posted - 2010.02.25 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Solution: mine in lowsec or 0.0 and shoot the Harbinger's pod, then shoot the Orca.
Funny how this is a solution to almost every highsec carebear whine...
Nice except on these days there are people around that actually cyno in 2 carriers and a mom for a single drake in low sec ... 
Was laughing my ass of when I saw the mail and even harder when I saw another mail where the same guys were ****d by even bigger cyno blob.
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Comodore John
Gallente
KILRATHI INDUSTRIES
Sang Do Oligarchic Democracy
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Posted - 2010.02.25 22:29:00 -
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Hmm, seems familiar
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