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Tindel	Posted - 2004.11.27 09:56:00 - [1] In the patch notes its written that they plan to make all kill missions be in deadspace. fun..... How many here enjoy moving slow as hell to approach and engage, and looting cans without mwd? Why not just remove kill missions? They will be unplayable unless they add some tractorbeam thingy to loot, but it will still be impossible to play a blastership Y helo thar
Tindel	Posted - 2004.11.27 09:56:00 - [2] In the patch notes its written that they plan to make all kill missions be in deadspace. fun..... How many here enjoy moving slow as hell to approach and engage, and looting cans without mwd? Why not just remove kill missions? They will be unplayable unless they add some tractorbeam thingy to loot, but it will still be impossible to play a blastership Y helo thar
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.11.27 09:59:00 - [3] I've not tried any deadspace missions - we were warned not to do them 'cause they're bugged at the moment. Don't you have any friends who can come in and do the loot picking for you? Most of the difficult missions (i.e, the ones you'll really want to do at long-range) more than likely will require friends to kill anyway (for the average player). Destroyers are quite quick and have quite large cargo bays. I have no solution for blaster setups, though. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.11.27 09:59:00 - [4] I've not tried any deadspace missions - we were warned not to do them 'cause they're bugged at the moment. Don't you have any friends who can come in and do the loot picking for you? Most of the difficult missions (i.e, the ones you'll really want to do at long-range) more than likely will require friends to kill anyway (for the average player). Destroyers are quite quick and have quite large cargo bays. I have no solution for blaster setups, though. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
foster	Posted - 2004.11.27 10:03:00 - [5] i don't like the fact we can't use mwd's. but if we could it would make the missions easier and less fun to do. collecting can's is a pain, but as i only get about 1 can per 20 cruisers and it's always got crap in it, i no longer bother collecting the loot. if you want to collect the loot might be a good idea to have an ares near by to fly between the cans and a bs or something
foster	Posted - 2004.11.27 10:03:00 - [6] i don't like the fact we can't use mwd's. but if we could it would make the missions easier and less fun to do. collecting can's is a pain, but as i only get about 1 can per 20 cruisers and it's always got crap in it, i no longer bother collecting the loot. if you want to collect the loot might be a good idea to have an ares near by to fly between the cans and a bs or something
Tindel	Posted - 2004.11.27 10:10:00 - [7] Add some loot drone/beam, and boost ship speed or afterburner. If i spend 90% of the time alt tabbed out of game there is something wrong with it Y helo thar
Tindel	Posted - 2004.11.27 10:10:00 - [8] Add some loot drone/beam, and boost ship speed or afterburner. If i spend 90% of the time alt tabbed out of game there is something wrong with it Y helo thar
Del Narveux	Posted - 2004.11.27 10:45:00 - [9] Lol dude you have no idea how much flamage your tread title will bring down on you Anyway I tend to agree that having NPC kill missions in deadspace is kinda dumb, I like having challenging (yeah theyre overly difficult now but they should still be challenging after they get fixed) complexes for those who want to fool with em, but not for everyone else. However I could see putting level 4 missions in deadspace for the hell of it. _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Del Narveux	Posted - 2004.11.27 10:45:00 - [10] Lol dude you have no idea how much flamage your tread title will bring down on you Anyway I tend to agree that having NPC kill missions in deadspace is kinda dumb, I like having challenging (yeah theyre overly difficult now but they should still be challenging after they get fixed) complexes for those who want to fool with em, but not for everyone else. However I could see putting level 4 missions in deadspace for the hell of it. _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Tindel	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:04:00 - [11] its a great topic name Y helo thar
Tindel	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:04:00 - [12] its a great topic name Y helo thar
HavokTBP	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:06:00 - [13] I don't know what mission this my buddie was trying to do but the gate wouldn't let us junp through it with battleships.. Although the gate itself looks sweet thats about as far deadspace I've been so far Member of the Curse Alliance before the Corruption Leader of The Black Plague.
HavokTBP	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:06:00 - [14] I don't know what mission this my buddie was trying to do but the gate wouldn't let us junp through it with battleships.. Although the gate itself looks sweet thats about as far deadspace I've been so far Member of the Curse Alliance before the Corruption Leader of The Black Plague.
theRaptor	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:14:00 - [15] Originally by: Joshua Calvert I've not tried any deadspace missions - we were warned not to do them 'cause they're bugged at the moment. Don't you have any friends who can come in and do the loot picking for you? Most of the difficult missions (i.e, the ones you'll really want to do at long-range) more than likely will require friends to kill anyway (for the average player). Destroyers are quite quick and have quite large cargo bays. I have no solution for blaster setups, though. The thing is Josh that according to the patch notes all missions will be in deadspace (but it could be a misstatement in the nores). Not only does it make no story sense (pirates only conduct operations in deadspace?) its a pain in the ass for anyone who relied upon a MWD based setup. Seems to me CCP is trying to sneak in instancing after saying they hated it. --------------------------------------------------
theRaptor	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:14:00 - [16] Originally by: Joshua Calvert I've not tried any deadspace missions - we were warned not to do them 'cause they're bugged at the moment. Don't you have any friends who can come in and do the loot picking for you? Most of the difficult missions (i.e, the ones you'll really want to do at long-range) more than likely will require friends to kill anyway (for the average player). Destroyers are quite quick and have quite large cargo bays. I have no solution for blaster setups, though. The thing is Josh that according to the patch notes all missions will be in deadspace (but it could be a misstatement in the nores). Not only does it make no story sense (pirates only conduct operations in deadspace?) its a pain in the ass for anyone who relied upon a MWD based setup. Seems to me CCP is trying to sneak in instancing after saying they hated it. --------------------------------------------------
Jayad	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:17:00 - [17] oh my god, MWD's wont work there, just realised. my thorax will suffer, cant they somehow write in the script that MWDs are to week to be affected. oh well
Jayad	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:17:00 - [18] oh my god, MWD's wont work there, just realised. my thorax will suffer, cant they somehow write in the script that MWDs are to week to be affected. oh well
M0RIARTY	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:27:00 - [19] I have to say, I agree with most peeps on this one. CCP..... please give us our MWD back in Deadspace. Dont need double MWD you can keep the nerf on that, just the one would be nice Noo sig comming SOONÖ =================================================== What are we going to do about all this ignorance and apathy?.... I don't know and I don't care!
M0RIARTY	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:27:00 - [20] I have to say, I agree with most peeps on this one. CCP..... please give us our MWD back in Deadspace. Dont need double MWD you can keep the nerf on that, just the one would be nice Noo sig comming SOONÖ =================================================== What are we going to do about all this ignorance and apathy?.... I don't know and I don't care!
Belldor	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:28:00 - [21] Why don't you stop being so linear (narrow minded in your training) and try some different things. How could anything possibly remain fun if you continually do the same thing time after time. Try projectile weapons, get a friend in a frig to pick up loot (if you have any). Get help with you missions. Nothing is ever as bad as you want them to be...er think they are. I can't believe the number of whinebabies who don't know how to adapt away from their straight line thinking. Yeah, it might take some time to train a different skill, so what. For those who cry and say they are changing to a different game, it will equal the exact same thing, more training.
Belldor	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:28:00 - [22] Why don't you stop being so linear (narrow minded in your training) and try some different things. How could anything possibly remain fun if you continually do the same thing time after time. Try projectile weapons, get a friend in a frig to pick up loot (if you have any). Get help with you missions. Nothing is ever as bad as you want them to be...er think they are. I can't believe the number of whinebabies who don't know how to adapt away from their straight line thinking. Yeah, it might take some time to train a different skill, so what. For those who cry and say they are changing to a different game, it will equal the exact same thing, more training.
Dr Slaughter	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:29:00 - [23] Perhaps it's "dead" space because mwd's/warp doesn't work. Personally I think it's daft if all kill missions end up in here. I would expect any decent rat to have some sort of life outside of crummy pocket dimensions. Dr S
Dr Slaughter	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:29:00 - [24] Perhaps it's "dead" space because mwd's/warp doesn't work. Personally I think it's daft if all kill missions end up in here. I would expect any decent rat to have some sort of life outside of crummy pocket dimensions. Dr S
Infinity Ziona	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:34:00 - [25] Yeah I have to agree with this topics title. One of the things that makes Eve enjoyable is its flexibility and anything goes attitude. Putting restrictions on types of ships entering complexes, types of modules allowed to be used in complexes, warp in points, min number of people to beat a complex make the idea of complexes seem really gamey and remind me of the instanced dungeons of EQ. With this missions nerf and the Solo NPC'ing nerf (they now run away at 1kms+ when they get low HP), it seems the best / perhaps only option for soloing is mining empire and many soloers prolly will choose to leave then take up mining as a full time profession. Infinity - Exodus Hater - Ziona
Infinity Ziona	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:34:00 - [26] Yeah I have to agree with this topics title. One of the things that makes Eve enjoyable is its flexibility and anything goes attitude. Putting restrictions on types of ships entering complexes, types of modules allowed to be used in complexes, warp in points, min number of people to beat a complex make the idea of complexes seem really gamey and remind me of the instanced dungeons of EQ. With this missions nerf and the Solo NPC'ing nerf (they now run away at 1kms+ when they get low HP), it seems the best / perhaps only option for soloing is mining empire and many soloers prolly will choose to leave then take up mining as a full time profession. Infinity - Exodus Hater - Ziona
Jayad	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:35:00 - [27] Quote: I can't believe the number of whinebabies who don't know how to adapt away from their straight line thinking. Yeah, it might take some time to train a different skill, so what. For those who cry and say they are changing to a different game, it will equal the exact same thing, more training. fair enough, we could adapt. Rails on a thorax is heresy but i'll go with that :(
Jayad	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:35:00 - [28] Quote: I can't believe the number of whinebabies who don't know how to adapt away from their straight line thinking. Yeah, it might take some time to train a different skill, so what. For those who cry and say they are changing to a different game, it will equal the exact same thing, more training. fair enough, we could adapt. Rails on a thorax is heresy but i'll go with that :(
Del Narveux	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:36:00 - [29] I might go along with something like that but only if the rewards for such missions got waaaaaay better. Churning out missions now is pretty boring, but it also brings in a lot of money and is actually comparable to mining and other professions in that. I just fear that without major beefing of mission rewards, the overhead of working in a complex just aint gonna be worth it. _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Del Narveux	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:36:00 - [30] I might go along with something like that but only if the rewards for such missions got waaaaaay better. Churning out missions now is pretty boring, but it also brings in a lot of money and is actually comparable to mining and other professions in that. I just fear that without major beefing of mission rewards, the overhead of working in a complex just aint gonna be worth it. _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Major Bash	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:42:00 - [31] For all those cans that are too far away to slowy go and get, there will be a new drone type introduced soon I belive. Salvage drones loot the cans for ya and bring it to ur ship
Major Bash	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:42:00 - [32] For all those cans that are too far away to slowy go and get, there will be a new drone type introduced soon I belive. Salvage drones loot the cans for ya and bring it to ur ship
Tindel	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:44:00 - [33] mwd's shouldnt have to exist at all anyway If i was running this game i would increase all ship base speeds by 3x or 5x. Eve has the slowest damn movement ever Y helo thar
Tindel	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:44:00 - [34] mwd's shouldnt have to exist at all anyway If i was running this game i would increase all ship base speeds by 3x or 5x. Eve has the slowest damn movement ever Y helo thar
DeeCo	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:52:00 - [35] Heres a Tip for you all :- Dead space prohibts MWD's use, But NOT Afterburners, therefor use a friggy to collect the loot afterwards. Also... if you.. nah I wont tell you this cause then everyone will be doing it, But I and my corp "know" how to make MWD's work again ! and No its not an Exloit, its a related to your dead space mission/complex!!! Click my sig for stats
DeeCo	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:52:00 - [36] Heres a Tip for you all :- Dead space prohibts MWD's use, But NOT Afterburners, therefor use a friggy to collect the loot afterwards. Also... if you.. nah I wont tell you this cause then everyone will be doing it, But I and my corp "know" how to make MWD's work again ! and No its not an Exloit, its a related to your dead space mission/complex!!! Click my sig for stats
Brather	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:53:00 - [37] Comoen i love deadspace missions more things to kill then the lil ones. as for moving in them adapt.. i use a carcal with a 100mn AF II and have no issues getting from here to there.
Brather	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:53:00 - [38] Comoen i love deadspace missions more things to kill then the lil ones. as for moving in them adapt.. i use a carcal with a 100mn AF II and have no issues getting from here to there.
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:58:00 - [39] Originally by: Belldor Why don't you stop being so linear (narrow minded in your training) and try some different things. How could anything possibly remain fun if you continually do the same thing time after time. Try projectile weapons, get a friend in a frig to pick up loot (if you have any). Get help with you missions. Nothing is ever as bad as you want them to be...er think they are. I can't believe the number of whinebabies who don't know how to adapt away from their straight line thinking. Yeah, it might take some time to train a different skill, so what. For those who cry and say they are changing to a different game, it will equal the exact same thing, more training. Ehm, specialization, its what in game now, I'm one of the absolute best thorax/deimos pilots there is, at the very least in training. That's what CCP wanted, high requirements, but nice payoff when you get there. And fun? fun is being the best for me. Try not to decide what's fun for others. all my accounts are racial, fly 1 race ships, use 1 weapon type, but are awesome with em. Friend in frig. LVL3 missiosn are solo, should remain solo. Help with lvl 4 missions sure, but not with lvl 3. Adapt, adapt to the fact that agent runners ( and only agent runners ) have been told short range isn't a option anymore. When for ages short range has been the best way to run em. I bought and fly a deimos cause it made for the best anti-serpentis agent runner ship there is. It just got turned into useless. But for me what it comes down too, I'm a short ranger fighter, always have been, and I'm a agent runner, always have been. Now those 2 things can't be combined anymore. And that has been pretty darn cranky. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:58:00 - [40] Originally by: Belldor Why don't you stop being so linear (narrow minded in your training) and try some different things. How could anything possibly remain fun if you continually do the same thing time after time. Try projectile weapons, get a friend in a frig to pick up loot (if you have any). Get help with you missions. Nothing is ever as bad as you want them to be...er think they are. I can't believe the number of whinebabies who don't know how to adapt away from their straight line thinking. Yeah, it might take some time to train a different skill, so what. For those who cry and say they are changing to a different game, it will equal the exact same thing, more training. Ehm, specialization, its what in game now, I'm one of the absolute best thorax/deimos pilots there is, at the very least in training. That's what CCP wanted, high requirements, but nice payoff when you get there. And fun? fun is being the best for me. Try not to decide what's fun for others. all my accounts are racial, fly 1 race ships, use 1 weapon type, but are awesome with em. Friend in frig. LVL3 missiosn are solo, should remain solo. Help with lvl 4 missions sure, but not with lvl 3. Adapt, adapt to the fact that agent runners ( and only agent runners ) have been told short range isn't a option anymore. When for ages short range has been the best way to run em. I bought and fly a deimos cause it made for the best anti-serpentis agent runner ship there is. It just got turned into useless. But for me what it comes down too, I'm a short ranger fighter, always have been, and I'm a agent runner, always have been. Now those 2 things can't be combined anymore. And that has been pretty darn cranky. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:59:00 - [41] Originally by: Brather Comoen i love deadspace missions more things to kill then the lil ones. as for moving in them adapt.. i use a carcal with a 100mn AF II and have no issues getting from here to there. Yes oversized afterburners, great, yeah go CCP, no really, remove the balanced module so EVERYBODY has to use the unbalanced should be removed from game as option module. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:59:00 - [42] Originally by: Brather Comoen i love deadspace missions more things to kill then the lil ones. as for moving in them adapt.. i use a carcal with a 100mn AF II and have no issues getting from here to there. Yes oversized afterburners, great, yeah go CCP, no really, remove the balanced module so EVERYBODY has to use the unbalanced should be removed from game as option module. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Heritor	Posted - 2004.11.27 12:02:00 - [43] I have never carried out any agent mission using AB's or MWD. Never had any probs with killing NPC's. Theses missions were all given out by LVL3 Agents working in security.
Heritor	Posted - 2004.11.27 12:02:00 - [44] I have never carried out any agent mission using AB's or MWD. Never had any probs with killing NPC's. Theses missions were all given out by LVL3 Agents working in security.
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2004.11.27 12:03:00 - [45] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 27/11/2004 12:08:06 Deadspace missions are boring. My 0.0 Serpentis agent Only gives me deadspace missions. I used to use a tank thorax or an MWD Caracal. I now have to use a BS outfitted with long range weapons and my 2nd account with a shuttle. I warp in on top of the beacon (Why cant i pick my range? ) where a good number of rats welcome me with weapons fire. I then blow up the prison which is 100 km away and use the shuttle to fetch the Damsel and return it to the station. Yay... The rats there arent worth killing, they dont drop loot and theyre simply no fun to fight in a Battleship and not worth the trouble (And Bills on hull Damage repairing) in cruisers. Oh and yes i get this one missions a whole lot. I hope CCP adds some more kill missions in normal space, those where more fun. I do get 1 normal space mission from time to time, which requires me to kill 4 concord cruisers and 5 of their frigates. They too dont drop loot and all i get is ugly Concord Logo Tag thingies which i have no use for. Though complexes do look pretty, having missions in them is great, id just like an mwd --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2004.11.27 12:03:00 - [46] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 27/11/2004 12:08:06 Deadspace missions are boring. My 0.0 Serpentis agent Only gives me deadspace missions. I used to use a tank thorax or an MWD Caracal. I now have to use a BS outfitted with long range weapons and my 2nd account with a shuttle. I warp in on top of the beacon (Why cant i pick my range? ) where a good number of rats welcome me with weapons fire. I then blow up the prison which is 100 km away and use the shuttle to fetch the Damsel and return it to the station. Yay... The rats there arent worth killing, they dont drop loot and theyre simply no fun to fight in a Battleship and not worth the trouble (And Bills on hull Damage repairing) in cruisers. Oh and yes i get this one missions a whole lot. I hope CCP adds some more kill missions in normal space, those where more fun. I do get 1 normal space mission from time to time, which requires me to kill 4 concord cruisers and 5 of their frigates. They too dont drop loot and all i get is ugly Concord Logo Tag thingies which i have no use for. Though complexes do look pretty, having missions in them is great, id just like an mwd --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.11.27 12:04:00 - [47] Originally by: Heritor I have never carried out any agent mission using AB's or MWD. Never had any probs with killing NPC's. Theses missions were all given out by LVL3 Agents working in security. Ehm, again that's not the issue, course one can do agent missions without using ab's mwd's. And have no problems killing NPCs, long range is way safer, way easier, and way more boring and way slower. Best agent runners are short rangers, higher risk, higher skills needed, but way faster. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.11.27 12:04:00 - [48] Originally by: Heritor I have never carried out any agent mission using AB's or MWD. Never had any probs with killing NPC's. Theses missions were all given out by LVL3 Agents working in security. Ehm, again that's not the issue, course one can do agent missions without using ab's mwd's. And have no problems killing NPCs, long range is way safer, way easier, and way more boring and way slower. Best agent runners are short rangers, higher risk, higher skills needed, but way faster. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool

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