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Yakumo Smith Gallente No End To Infinity Fleetingly Finite	Posted - 2010.02.28 00:17:00 - [1] I've been playing with the concept of deep safe spots, but got to wondering how deep is deep enough if you are in an unclocked ship. I'm not a probing expert, but if you were patient enough you could "check" a fair chunk of space. So what's considered a decent depth for a deep safe? At which distance would you simply assume a ship had a cloak on it? If you knew for sure a ship didn't have a cloak, would you be willing to spend a few hours looking for it? Cheers, Yak I suppose this must be my sig. I'll do something cool with it eventually.
Yarinor Yarinors Trust Fund	Posted - 2010.02.28 01:20:00 - [2] 128 au from center of the system. Pretty much impossible to make.
King Rothgar Violent By Design	Posted - 2010.02.28 01:21:00 - [3] If I jump into a random system, see a target in local channel but no one is docked or on d-scanner, I may fire off a probe set at 32 or 64 au just to make sure. However I'm not looking for guys in deep safes as those are incredibly rare. What I'm really looking for is a mission runner that's maybe 20au from the nearest astro object as those missions are pretty common. If nothing shows up, I assume they are cloaked. I don't think I've ever checked beyond 64au since a cloak can be fitted on practically anything and unless I have intel suggesting they are using a deep safe, I'm just not going to look. -----------------------------------------------------
Veriasse Valence Gallente GeoCorp.	Posted - 2010.02.28 03:45:00 - [4] Something to chew on - in the wars in Provi we've been using safespots 500+ AU from the system regularly. Also, we've had some of our safespots at 500+ AU probed out.
Ben Hilel	Posted - 2010.02.28 04:09:00 - [5] Originally by: Veriasse Valence Something to chew on - in the wars in Provi we've been using safespots 500+ AU from the system regularly. Also, we've had some of our safespots at 500+ AU probed out. How can you get a safespot that far ?
Criss AngeI	Posted - 2010.02.28 04:38:00 - [6] Originally by: Ben Hilel Originally by: Veriasse Valence Something to chew on - in the wars in Provi we've been using safespots 500+ AU from the system regularly. Also, we've had some of our safespots at 500+ AU probed out. How can you get a safespot that far ? A rubber band and 3 paper clips. Join the Aurelius federation now, join the channel "aurelius" or post in this thread here
DS S	Posted - 2010.02.28 05:34:00 - [7] i made a few safespots a few nights ago, in reaility, anything greater then 256au from the NEAREST celestial is better. Since deep safe scanner probes go 256 au, the further you go the better they are. Last night a made a 475 au safe spot in minmatar space.
Alt Tabbed	Posted - 2010.02.28 06:00:00 - [8] Originally by: Criss AngeI Originally by: Ben Hilel How can you get a safespot that far ? A rubber band and 3 paper clips. I want to believe.
Emperor DragonKing Rubbish and Garbage Removal Legiunea ROmana	Posted - 2010.02.28 09:09:00 - [9] I know of a mothership sitting at 1300au in a deep ss that was probed and killed. That was epic. Oh, and deep space probes can find u, not exactly sure of the range, but 1300 wasn't enough
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2010.02.28 09:37:00 - [10] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 28/02/2010 09:41:01 Think of it this way. A deep space probe can scan 256 AU. If your safespot is 1000 AU from the center of a system and you are scanning along a plane, you have π x 500¦ = 785,398 AU distance. Then divide 785,928 by 51,471 (your probe's surface area) and you have your chances of the target getting a hit. (Approximately 1 in 15.) It's a long shot, but definitely possible if you are patient. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.eohpoker.com ò Buy a GTC

Yakumo Smith Gallente No End To Infinity Fleetingly Finite	Posted - 2010.02.28 10:24:00 - [11] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 28/02/2010 09:41:01 Think of it this way. A deep space probe can scan 256 AU. If your safespot is 1000 AU from the center of a system and you are scanning along a plane, you have π x 500¦ = 785,398 AU distance. Then divide 785,928 by 51,471 (your probe's surface area) and you have your chances of the target getting a hit. (Approximately 1 in 15.) It's a long shot, but definitely possible if you are patient. Cheers for all the replies. Everyone is saying pretty much what I suspected. (except the guy who claimed 128AU as the max) It seems to me then that you really need a transition safe spot to go to prior to warping. This will disguise the "plane" you are travelling when warping to the deep safe meaning someone dedicated to probing you would need to check the entire volume to be sure of finding you. (doing volume calculations Sunday morning ftw, old maths teacher was almost right when he said i'd use maths in real life) As you go further out, the chances of placement error and "he's priobably cloaked" should deter most unless the prize is great. I suppose this must be my sig. I'll do something cool with it eventually.
Dasola Minmatar	Posted - 2010.02.28 11:35:00 - [12] So how do you fellows make such massively distant deep safespots? I remember reading something about carrier and abandoning fighter and then warping to that fighter.
Othran Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2010.02.28 12:02:00 - [13] Originally by: Dasola So how do you fellows make such massively distant deep safespots? I remember reading something about carrier and abandoning fighter and then warping to that fighter. Google "Poseidon Manual" Its actually linked somewhere on the wiki IIRC.
Carniflex StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.02.28 16:05:00 - [14] A while ago (few years back) safespots deeper than 1000 AU were classed exploit and bookmarks to there were deleted. Back then it was possible to do those if you were very very patient using the probe deviation. Nowdays we have ofc new scanning system and it's a LOT easier to do deep safes. It is standard practice to bridge in fleets into hostile systems in safespots in 350+ AU distance. That way your fleet can enter warp even if they experience mild lag before hostiles land on you. Takes approx 2 minutes for battleship to warp that distance.
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2010.03.01 18:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Dasola So how do you fellows make such massively distant deep safespots? It's shockingly easy, and as best I can tell, has worked for as long as EVE has been online. That there were Deep Space Probes with 90AU deviation in early EVE was a mere distraction from learning the True Method(tm). *-- He said "The President is near."*
nightrain914	Posted - 2010.03.01 19:57:00 - [16] http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/bec/Poseidon-Manual.pdf
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2010.03.01 21:16:00 - [17] I have plenty of deep safes made back when Deep Space Probes had 90AU deviation (scan for buddy's ship, get a hit 90-ish AU away, warp there, lather, rinse, repeat). Super deep safes made with this method can go much deeper, with less time and effort. And no buddy needed. *-- He said "The President is near."*
Amberlamps	Posted - 2010.03.04 04:50:00 - [18] Couple of months ago I played around with the Pos manual and found quickly how easy it was to make deep safes. I never told anyone in my corp the exact process of doing it nor how to make it. In all honestly I think its a little lame and if the bookmarks for deep safes in your own home systems get leaked to the enemy well you can kiss your ass goodbye. Anyway, I've been able to achieve 110AU+ per attempt at making deep safes so after 15 minutes or so I'm already 600/700AU deep into the system. For temporary hiding if I'm planning to log out usually 500AU will do. Within that distance it will usually take on average for a small ship warping at 3au/s 160seconds... Nearly 3 minutes of warping in whhich you are effectively unfindable. Then when you land you warp to another one doing this between 2/3 safes give you the time to log out after 15 minutes. Having deep enough safes in a system governed by fail corps I would say anything over 1000AU is relatively safe, though for large uncloaked ships or anything valuable I would say 1500AU adding value adds to the willingness of the prober to find you. Anyway at these sorts of distances you lose all sense of tactical advantage.
Joey Bob The Blood Wraiths	Posted - 2010.03.04 13:12:00 - [19] Originally by: Amberlamps I would say anything over 1000AU is relatively safe, though for large uncloaked ships or anything valuable I would say 1500AU adding value adds to the willingness of the prober to find you. Anyway at these sorts of distances you lose all sense of tactical advantage. You can still see local although your practically in the system next door! Tactical Advantage +1 TBWS - Site Admin, Director & Diplomat We are recruiting check out our website, www.thebloodwraiths.net
Kitsune Girl	Posted - 2010.03.05 13:43:00 - [20] But how far out can the probes go in terms of location? I mean, isn't there a limit because I have a hard time zooming out very far in the system map.

Neshta	Posted - 2010.03.10 21:17:00 - [21] ...and my safe was deep. so deep. so deep put her ass to sleep!
Liquidium Internet Spaceship Gamers Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2010.03.10 22:17:00 - [22] If only I could make a Insta-undock Deep safe. :) But Its easy to do, and netting +90 AU each attempt makes it stupidly easy.
Shaemell Buttleson Euphoria Released	Posted - 2010.03.12 10:34:00 - [23] Originally by: Emperor DragonKing I know of a mothership sitting at 1300au in a deep ss that was probed and killed. That was epic. Oh, and deep space probes can find u, not exactly sure of the range, but 1300 wasn't enough The tit should have used a cloak then! * Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. - CCP Ildoge
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.03.12 13:10:00 - [24] Originally by: Shaemell Buttleson Originally by: Emperor DragonKing I know of a mothership sitting at 1300au in a deep ss that was probed and killed. That was epic. Oh, and deep space probes can find u, not exactly sure of the range, but 1300 wasn't enough The tit should have used a cloak then! The tit should have used a bra imho - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz


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