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Denidil
Larimer Highlands Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.06.30 21:05:00 -
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I don't consider myself a highsec carebear as I do a little of everything, but I know some actual carebears and i'll answer what i think they'd say (not the hyperbole BS that some people expect)
1) suicide ganks should cost enough compared to the value of the target to deter casual ganks, ganks should be generally reserved for high value loot pinatas. "Free KMs" is another issue - loss mails should be issued for Concordokken
2) that is harder to answer. low sec and 0.0 activities should pay more, collaborative activities should pay more.
Ship hull prices should has some connection to how long it takes to mine the resources to make them, and outside of market manipulation situations they do.
However when have an overly bottle necked resource in the resource list for the hull then you have a situation where market manipulation can arise. Unfortunately the most important ship in providing the resources to build all hulls has a bottlenecked resource in its resource requirements, leading to a situation in which market manipulation has inflated the price so a campaign of suicide attacks can take place at a large alliance level profit. This market manipulation would be harder, and there would be much less financial incentive, if the target hulls had EHP more in line with a more realistic amount for a "Deep space 0.0 corp designed vessel".
I don't know any carebear who thinks that Eve should be 100% safe anywhere, the carebears I know are just sick and tired of having bullshit made up about them and constantly worrying about loosing a 200m isk hull to a 1 mil isk hull
I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Denidil
Larimer Highlands Heavy Industries
285
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Posted - 2012.06.30 21:19:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:
First, you can Tank a Hulk such that it takes more isk than the Hulk is worth to gank with a reasonable number of characters. (You can also fly a Hulk such that you are immune to ganks)
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i know how to tank a hulk, you can take out a "**** you tanked" hulk with a battlecruiser still.
I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Denidil
Larimer Highlands Heavy Industries
285
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Posted - 2012.06.30 21:24:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Posting in a thread where "Isk per hour" is the only reason people play this game.
I don't.
Nice to make ISK, yes, but if you're making it your bible, your only motive to play this game, then you fail at Eve.
qft
I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Denidil
Larimer Highlands Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.06.30 21:28:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:Denidil wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:
First, you can Tank a Hulk such that it takes more isk than the Hulk is worth to gank with a reasonable number of characters. (You can also fly a Hulk such that you are immune to ganks)
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i know how to tank a hulk, you can take out a "**** you tanked" hulk with a battlecruiser still. But where would the profit be in that? And if not for profit, then both players lose isk. You can't prevent 10 marauders killing a t1 frigate in highsec either but it can still be done if one trully wants to.
it is still profitable to burn brutixes on hulks. adding lossmails for concordokken would go a long way to discourage the gankbears. the upcoming exhumer revamp will go the rest of the way by making the market manipulation a lot less profitable.
I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Denidil
Larimer Highlands Heavy Industries
285
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Posted - 2012.06.30 23:11:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:
Losing an expensive ship to a cheap one isn't something that should be changed. The people losing expensive ships either need to change their habits, move to more quiet areas of space or fit a decent tank that can potentially survive long enough for the CONCORD response.
the ship must be capable of fielding a decent tank
I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Denidil
Larimer Highlands Heavy Industries
285
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Posted - 2012.06.30 23:18:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:
It becomes a problem when they jump on the forums & demand more nerfs to suicide ganking & buffs for their mining ship so they can keep afk mining in complete safety.
Also ECM drones. Use them & I won't use a Catalyst... I may come back & alpha you in a Tornado though because it's funny.
HTFU gankbear. shoot things that can shoot back like the rest of us do
I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Denidil
Larimer Highlands Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.07.02 03:05:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Denidil wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
Losing an expensive ship to a cheap one isn't something that should be changed. The people losing expensive ships either need to change their habits, move to more quiet areas of space or fit a decent tank that can potentially survive long enough for the CONCORD response.
the ship must be capable of fielding a decent tank A Hulk pilot that has realised that he needs to sacrifice his MLU's & cargo expander rigs often has said decent tank. They are however, the 1%. I ran in to one a couple of weeks ago that survived 2 shots from an Alpha tornado in 0.5 space. While I got him in to structure, he still survived. Why? Because he fielded a decent tank.
30k EHP with max skills is not a decent tank for a cruiser sized hull, what are you smoking?
I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
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