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Jobby Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.03.03 03:55:00 - [31] Originally by: Mcsalesy IBTL
Epicbeardman	Posted - 2010.03.03 04:05:00 - [32] Ugh. I understand that locking this thread could result in cries of censoring, but posts based on nothing but false assumptions never contribute anything, and only result in a continuous back and forth of "Servers are fine" vs "Im lagging".
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.03.03 04:11:00 - [33] Quote: players been asking for new server for years. We got one last year FFS. -------------------------------------------------- We lost around 1.5b worth of tower, fuel and modules total. (Pause for amusement)
Pesky LaRue Minmatar Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels	Posted - 2010.03.03 04:15:00 - [34] Originally by: Cipher Jones Quote: players been asking for new server for years. We got one last year FFS. Shhhh. No logic, reason, or actual facts in this thread, please! . [Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels]
Dogs Huntin	Posted - 2010.03.03 04:33:00 - [35] Edited by: Dogs Huntin on 03/03/2010 04:33:57 You are not allowed to post the private communication between the Game Masters.Applebabe just got back. noticed the above statment which replaced the gm quote from the petition. hmmm. what is there to hide? most responses are standard: log show nothing. is the petition suposed to self destruct after a player reads it. was not gonna repost but saw the edit, so had to post.
The Crushah Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.03.03 05:52:00 - [36] Edited by: The Crushah on 03/03/2010 05:52:47 Originally by: Dogs Huntin Edited by: Dogs Huntin on 03/03/2010 04:33:57 You are not allowed to post the private communication between the Game Masters.Applebabe just got back. noticed the above statment which replaced the gm quote from the petition. hmmm. what is there to hide? most responses are standard: log show nothing. is the petition suposed to self destruct after a player reads it. was not gonna repost but saw the edit, so had to post. Meh, I was hoping for a full blown meltdown.
Zora'e Amarr Midnight Escort Service	Posted - 2010.03.03 06:24:00 - [37] Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Dogs Huntin 50,000 x 14.95= 747,500.00 amonth 747500.00 x 12month = 8,970,000.00 a year. dont think a top of the line server will cost less than 5% of that. There really should be some kind of intelligence test before people get posting rights. But Estel, if that were required, then the boards would be empty of any GM or Mod posts.
Avalon Champion Gene Works	Posted - 2010.03.03 06:40:00 - [38] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Originally by: Dogs Huntin 50,000 x 14.95= 747,500.00 amonth 747500.00 x 12month = 8,970,000.00 a year. ok so lets adjust this for proper statistics 315000 x 14.95 = 4,709,250 per month 56,511,000 per year in usd. Now lets start with the red list before we start saying buy more stuff! Employees Iceland 25 Devs - ~ 50,000 / year 10 GMs ~ 20,000 year 10 misc employes 25-40,000 per year so 1.7 million for iceland employees random guess then how many work at ccp shanghai and ccp atlanta, lets not forget about the white wolf employees so there is more money there. now lets go into other costs. As we know ccp is contracting a lot of dust and incanra development to 3rd party companies especially if you ever ready any of my forum posts about the news i found. so lets take another 15% off the total year revenue then lets take 1 % for beer budget then another 5% for putting on fan fest. then the special fees to make sure tuxford can't shut down the server. finally any other misc server maintenane fees such as, stuff melting exploding and overtime pay. dont forget building mainenance fees, patent and copyright fees since the game is being registered in several countries. Oh and ccp has to pay for bandwidth also. So yeah my point is before shouting that they make this much money per year you need to see how much goes into maintaing the company its employees and the current server gear. The only thing i think you for got on that list was rack rental and hardware maintenance costs for the Data center in the uk, thats going to come in arounf 500k per year depending on the contract. Then theres the Hamster replacement costs.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.03.03 06:49:00 - [39] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: SurrenderMonkey Is this the thread where players of a game with a fairly involved economic system repeatedly demonstrate that they don't understand the difference between revenue and profit? No, that would be 85% of the Science&Industry subforum, and about 40% of the Market Discussion subforum oh geeze, is it really that bad, although the way some of my buy orders fill up, I suppose I would have to agree I sold a raven and made 70million! cant wait till I get an abaddon bpo and can make 120mil per ship!
Jimmae	Posted - 2010.03.03 07:03:00 - [40] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton I sold a raven and made 70million! cant wait till I get an abaddon bpo and can make 120mil per ship! I know you are joking but still, reading this made cringe.
Ancy Denaries SpaceMonkey's Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.03 07:30:00 - [41] Originally by: ShadowMaster winsauce Hey OP...you just got owned. Big time. ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Nareg Maxence Gallente JotunHeim Hird	Posted - 2010.03.03 07:49:00 - [42] Originally by: ShadowMaster Well argued post. Well said.
RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.03.03 08:55:00 - [43] you also forgot about taxes: all Euro people pay VAT so ccp don't get the full ammount also most people don't pay monthly they pay bigger chunks, a lot of active account are paid for in isk via GTC -- \| Capital
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.03 09:00:00 - [44] Originally by: RaTTuS a lot of active account are paid for in isk via GTC This does not affect CCP's income, though… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2010.03.03 09:06:00 - [45] Originally by: Dogs Huntin quit buying bottom to med graded and suck it up and buy top of the line. most players have 2 or 3 accounts. people paying serious cash to play a quality game. game is around 6 to 7 years old. lot of die hard players. and new pep making new accounts everyday. everyone loves game. just want to see the love from the other end. CCP!!! Hire that man!!! He clearly knows what he is talking about. Man, get him at all costs!! ALL problems of Eve lag would be solved INSTANTLY! HIRE THAT MAN!!!111
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2010.03.03 09:14:00 - [46] Originally by: Dogs Huntin You are not allowed to post the private communication between the Game Masters.Applebabe so the server is not made to handle the game load. please quit trying to add new flash to the game and make a major overhaul. the server use to handle the load. but with worm holes and other aspects that keep getting added. the game play gets worse. worm holes caused the server to die every hour. overhaul the server so when you get a new hair to add something new the game wont DIE. Congrats! Since you seems to be so allknowledgeable CCP should hire you! With your reasoning the problems should be fixed by dinnertime today! Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.
Zartrader	Posted - 2010.03.03 09:28:00 - [47] Edited by: Zartrader on 03/03/2010 09:32:30 Another person who thinks more cash will solve any problem. Over spending governments all over the worlds prove that is wrong daily but it is still believed so they keep on spending. Ignorance is bliss. If you read the original Op the line by the GM was misread (the syntax and context was misleading), although I can't show that now it's been removed. The GM did NOT SAY the cap was 50K that's not what he meant at all. He was saying that was the current load. Try and base an argument on what was said not what you wished was written.
Terri Lam Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.03.03 09:32:00 - [48] http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/video/7/TQ_Servers_512x288.mov Everything you need to know about the TQ Cluster. I honestly don't remember hearing much since this, but my memory isn't what it used to be. Whether or not infniband is actually being used now or not, I don't pretend to know. Cheers
coeira	Posted - 2010.03.03 09:43:00 - [49] they stated at the fanfest last year they just spent a crap load of money upgrading the servers. all the server nodes are 3.3gq 16gig ram machines. the database is now stored on 2 terrabits of solid state memory and the database servers got upgraded from 4 core to 12 core machines.
Zartrader	Posted - 2010.03.03 09:55:00 - [50] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: SurrenderMonkey Is this the thread where players of a game with a fairly involved economic system repeatedly demonstrate that they don't understand the difference between revenue and profit? No, that would be 85% of the Science&Industry subforum, and about 40% of the Market Discussion subforum Trying to explain opportunity cost is always entertaining.
Sitara Minmatar Solar Flare Trade and Production	Posted - 2010.03.03 10:05:00 - [51] Originally by: Zartrader Trying to explain opportunity cost is always entertaining. OMG so there is someone else in Eve who understands this concept
Dodgy Past Amarr Debitum Naturae	Posted - 2010.03.03 11:49:00 - [52] Originally by: Dogs Huntin Edited by: Dogs Huntin on 02/03/2010 23:53:25 Edited by: Dogs Huntin on 02/03/2010 23:52:31 50,000 x 14.95= 747,500.00 amonth 747500.00 x 12month = 8,970,000.00 a year. dont think a top of the line server will cost less than 5% of that. and those figures are a very rough estimate. 50k pep is a average amound of accounts on at one time. players been asking for new server for years. quit buying bottom to med graded and suck it up and buy top of the line. most players have 2 or 3 accounts. people paying serious cash to play a quality game. game is around 6 to 7 years old. lot of die hard players. and new pep making new accounts everyday. everyone loves game. just want to see the love from the other end. i hear there is talk of adding new regions for more traffic. with the load the server has now, the added regions and travel gonna crash it even more. please plan on the server upgrade before adding new. You don't seem able to think at all, just blather about a topic you obviously know nothing about. Server hardware, software and infrastructure is a totally different ball game to the little PC you use at home. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- you seem determined to turn it into ******* Hollyoaks for neckbeards.
Rainus Max Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.03.03 12:18:00 - [53] IIIRC the server is able to handle the load, its the database that struggles. I do remember at Fanfest CCP saying that because of the sheer amount of database queries and the speed they need to take place at CCP are one of about 5 companies in the world (one other being Toyota i think) that hardware companies like IBM go to and ask if they can test their fancy new solid state hard drive or lump of ram under a huge load so they can get decent results to say what it can actually do. So its not as if they are running TQ on an 486 that dropped off the back of a skip lorry. Besides, the game for the most part is fine, the fleet fight lag like any other post patch problem is a pain but CCP will fix it when they can and when they dont have to deal with the whiny little buggers that go on about it constantly.
Tallaran Kouros Caldari	Posted - 2010.03.03 12:29:00 - [54] Originally by: Dogs Huntin but with worm holes and other aspects that keep getting added. the game play gets worse. worm holes caused the server to die every hour. Every hour? The hyperbole is strong in this one, methinks.
Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.03.03 13:26:00 - [55] Originally by: ShadowMaster Nice reply Too bad it was wasted on a troll post.
Johnathan Walker Caldari Frontier Elements	Posted - 2010.03.03 13:36:00 - [56] Dogs, just wondering.... Have you read the frequent devblogs provided by our crack elite devteam when there are hardware changes/configurations/issues? I remember a post once about new shiny Ramsan 400's, solid state hard drives! That's when the babies were something right out of sci-fi; now they're common place. I wonder how it is that Blizzard has issues on a sharded universe every Tuesday, and yet CCP is doing pretty hot for an unsharded universe, daily. I'd further ask: What experience and education do you hold in networking (particularly where clustering is involved), hardware and database maintenance... heck, how about Sarbanes Oxley compliance? (Hint: SOX is US-based ) /ponder Warmly, "The Bear" JW
GateScout	Posted - 2010.03.03 14:37:00 - [57] [WTB] Linear solution for an O(n^2) problem. Paying top isk or will trade for a Nobel prize. Perhaps a more interesting (and realistic) way to discuss this is to ask, "what are you willing to give up to get a solution that scales better?"
Ehranavaar	Posted - 2010.03.03 19:03:00 - [58] Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Dogs Huntin 50,000 x 14.95= 747,500.00 amonth 747500.00 x 12month = 8,970,000.00 a year. dont think a top of the line server will cost less than 5% of that. There really should be some kind of intelligence test before people get posting rights. place would be a lot quieter and imho not nearly as entertaining. still as an extra income stream selling posting rights to morons might be lucrative. (5% royalty on that would be gratefully accepted CCP)
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2010.03.03 19:19:00 - [59] Originally by: GateScout Perhaps a more interesting (and realistic) way to discuss this is to ask, "what are you willing to give up to get a solution that scales better?" That exactly is the real question. If the problem is too complex to be solved efficiently then the side-conditions needs to be changed that the problem becomes efficiently solvable. Sadly I haven't seen or heard ANYTHING AT ALL about this approach. The only solution I have seen to the problem is to buy more and faster hardware. But the delays only the final meltdown, it will be always a race and in the end you will lose. You need a different approach, an approach which is better than O(n^2).
Joe Astor Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2010.03.03 19:31:00 - [60] Originally by: coeira and the database servers got upgraded from 4 core to 12 core machines. drool WANT!

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