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Dogs Huntin	Posted - 2010.03.02 23:24:00 - [1] As for our servers, they are continually updated. We are pioneering a single shard universe with player counts in excess of 50,000 players. so the server is not made to handle the game load. please quit trying to add new flash to the game and make a major overhaul. the server use to handle the load. but with worm holes and other aspects that keep getting added. the game play gets worse. worm holes caused the server to die every hour. overhaul the server so when you get a new hair to add something new the game wont DIE.
Mcsalesy	Posted - 2010.03.02 23:26:00 - [2] IBTL
Kirra Liu Echelon Holdings Echelon.	Posted - 2010.03.02 23:40:00 - [3] What you fail to see is that Eve has been in some pretty bad states in the past with different issues like disconnects, server shut downs, lag and other stuff, and that was without all the "new flash" thats been introduced over the last year. CCP are working on fixing the current issues and I personally have faith in them to do the job right, just takes patience. Kirra Liu /Lord Windu
Dogs Huntin	Posted - 2010.03.02 23:50:00 - [4] Edited by: Dogs Huntin on 02/03/2010 23:53:25 Edited by: Dogs Huntin on 02/03/2010 23:52:31 50,000 x 14.95= 747,500.00 amonth 747500.00 x 12month = 8,970,000.00 a year. dont think a top of the line server will cost less than 5% of that. and those figures are a very rough estimate. 50k pep is a average amound of accounts on at one time. players been asking for new server for years. quit buying bottom to med graded and suck it up and buy top of the line. most players have 2 or 3 accounts. people paying serious cash to play a quality game. game is around 6 to 7 years old. lot of die hard players. and new pep making new accounts everyday. everyone loves game. just want to see the love from the other end. i hear there is talk of adding new regions for more traffic. with the load the server has now, the added regions and travel gonna crash it even more. please plan on the server upgrade before adding new.
Boltorano Fourth Circle Total Comfort	Posted - 2010.03.02 23:58:00 - [5] Originally by: Dogs Huntin a top of the line server EVE doesn't run on a server, it runs on hundreds of servers.
Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.03.03 00:01:00 - [6] pathetic ~ Soar Like a Penguin
Pesky LaRue Minmatar Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels	Posted - 2010.03.03 00:02:00 - [7] Originally by: Dogs Huntin Edited by: Dogs Huntin on 02/03/2010 23:53:25 Edited by: Dogs Huntin on 02/03/2010 23:52:31 50,000 x 14.95= 747,500.00 amonth 747500.00 x 12month = 8,970,000.00 a year. dont think a top of the line server will cost less than 5% of that. the # of active accounts is (I believe) around 300k, not 50k (that's just how many are on at any time) so your figures are very conservative - 300k * 14.95 * 12 = 53,820,000 per year. Originally by: Dogs Huntin quit buying bottom to med graded and suck it up and buy top of the line. most players have 2 or 3 accounts. people paying serious cash to play a quality game. game is around 6 to 7 years old. lot of die hard players. and new pep making new accounts everyday. everyone loves game. just want to see the love from the other end. Where did you get your info about "bottom to med graded" - can you quote the source, or did you get it straight from your ass? No one outside of CCP has ANY idea about their hardware infrastructure, and making a low-brow assumption that the difficulties of running a single-shard game (which is, incidentally, unlike any other MMOG in existence) is because they are buying cheap hardware is asinine and most likely, inaccurate. As someone else said - the game has been worse during other periods, but people have short memories. . [Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels]
TraininVain	Posted - 2010.03.03 00:03:00 - [8] Originally by: Dogs Huntin Edited by: Dogs Huntin on 02/03/2010 23:53:25 Edited by: Dogs Huntin on 02/03/2010 23:52:31 50,000 x 14.95= 747,500.00 amonth 747500.00 x 12month = 8,970,000.00 a year. dont think a top of the line server will cost less than 5% of that. and those figures are a very rough estimate. 50k pep is a average amound of accounts on at one time. players been asking for new server for years. quit buying bottom to med graded and suck it up and buy top of the line. most players have 2 or 3 accounts. people paying serious cash to play a quality game. game is around 6 to 7 years old. lot of die hard players. and new pep making new accounts everyday. everyone loves game. just want to see the love from the other end. i hear there is talk of adding new regions for more traffic. with the load the server has now, the added regions and travel gonna crash it even more. please plan on the server upgrade before adding new. The hardware they run EVE on gives NASA furious boners tbh.
The Crushah Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.03.03 00:04:00 - [9] You see CCP, the solution is just that simple! MOAR SERVERS!!!!
Deela Cho	Posted - 2010.03.03 00:06:00 - [10] Originally by: Dogs Huntin Edited by: Dogs Huntin on 02/03/2010 23:53:25 Edited by: Dogs Huntin on 02/03/2010 23:52:31 50,000 x 14.95= 747,500.00 amonth 747500.00 x 12month = 8,970,000.00 a year. dont think a top of the line server will cost less than 5% of that. and those figures are a very rough estimate. 50k pep is a average amound of accounts on at one time. players been asking for new server for years. quit buying bottom to med graded and suck it up and buy top of the line. most players have 2 or 3 accounts. people paying serious cash to play a quality game. game is around 6 to 7 years old. lot of die hard players. and new pep making new accounts everyday. everyone loves game. just want to see the love from the other end. i hear there is talk of adding new regions for more traffic. with the load the server has now, the added regions and travel gonna crash it even more. please plan on the server upgrade before adding new. Can have I have your stuff when you eventually rage-quit? It seems that may be inevitable based on your opinions of the game.
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2010.03.03 00:08:00 - [11] I smell another Trekkie with issues ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag. Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited!
Kirra Liu Echelon Holdings Echelon.	Posted - 2010.03.03 00:10:00 - [12] As stated, Eve doesn't run on "a" server, but more of a network of servers I believe. CCP has on a number of occasions upgraded the infrastructure by buying new equipment, and good equipment at that. They have made changes to how information is handled so that it is more efficient, they have done a lot and they will keep on making the infrastructure better. To sum things up though, you don't know what you are talking about yet you are telling the Developers how to do their job. The Developers have a game which holds all of us together which is a major feat in the gaming world in my opinion and the fact that they have managed to keep the game progressing for all these years with all the changes and increase in player-base makes me think they know exactly what they are doing. When you become a leading Dev at CCP then you can start telling them what to do. Kirra Liu /Lord Windu
Abraxias	Posted - 2010.03.03 00:10:00 - [13] Originally by: The Crushah You see CCP, the solution is just that simple! MOAR SERVERS!!!! /que "Tim the Tool Man" "They just need moar power." "Just strap some V-8s on them and they should be fine."
Dogs Huntin	Posted - 2010.03.03 00:16:00 - [14] lets see, hasnt the game crashed a few times this week? i remember getting off work early one day to come home and see "game off line".
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion	Posted - 2010.03.03 00:17:00 - [15] Originally by: Dogs Huntin 50,000 x 14.95= 747,500.00 amonth 747500.00 x 12month = 8,970,000.00 a year. ok so lets adjust this for proper statistics 315000 x 14.95 = 4,709,250 per month 56,511,000 per year in usd. Now lets start with the red list before we start saying buy more stuff! Employees Iceland 25 Devs - ~ 50,000 / year 10 GMs ~ 20,000 year 10 misc employes 25-40,000 per year so 1.7 million for iceland employees random guess then how many work at ccp shanghai and ccp atlanta, lets not forget about the white wolf employees so there is more money there. now lets go into other costs. As we know ccp is contracting a lot of dust and incanra development to 3rd party companies especially if you ever ready any of my forum posts about the news i found. so lets take another 15% off the total year revenue then lets take 1 % for beer budget then another 5% for putting on fan fest. then the special fees to make sure tuxford can't shut down the server. finally any other misc server maintenane fees such as, stuff melting exploding and overtime pay. dont forget building mainenance fees, patent and copyright fees since the game is being registered in several countries. Oh and ccp has to pay for bandwidth also. So yeah my point is before shouting that they make this much money per year you need to see how much goes into maintaing the company its employees and the current server gear.
plaugewraith1	Posted - 2010.03.03 00:18:00 - [16] Greetings all! For some time now, we have been monitoring requests sent via stuck petition to GM's for notifications of incoming fleet battles. Where possible we have been placing these systems on high powered blades to ensure you get the best server performance possible in your fleet fight. They obviously have the equipment..... What was the op complaining about?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.03.03 00:23:00 - [17] While old numbers - Linkage - Start at page 41 Secure 3rd party service

The Crushah Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.03.03 00:23:00 - [18] Originally by: Dogs Huntin lets see, hasnt the game crashed a few times this week? i remember getting off work early one day to come home and see "game off line". Let me see if I can sum up your Kvetching here: Wormholes are causing the servers to crash. The solution is MOAR SERVERS! Is this right?
Usagi Tsukino Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2010.03.03 00:42:00 - [19] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk ...Stuff... If they couldn't pay for all of that on 14.95/month per account, accounts wouldn't cost 14.95/month. As well, they don't need money to buy new computers. They need income to repay the loans. Businesses rarely use liquid assets to make capital expenditures. ---
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2010.03.03 00:48:00 - [20] Originally by: Dogs Huntin 50,000 x 14.95= 747,500.00 amonth 747500.00 x 12month = 8,970,000.00 a year. dont think a top of the line server will cost less than 5% of that. There really should be some kind of intelligence test before people get posting rights. Free jumpclone service\|874 stations - Truly Universal
Pesky LaRue Minmatar Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels	Posted - 2010.03.03 00:52:00 - [21] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk So yeah my point is before shouting that they make this much money per year you need to see how much goes into maintaing the company its employees and the current server gear. Totally inconsequential - without meaning to, you're actually buying into his idea that there's no money left for servers, so they're buying low-end ones (or making them out of cardboard boxes and tape, whatever the OP chooses to believe). It doesn't matter what they spend the money on, it's a good bet that the issues are to do with the complexity of the application/number of users, NOT the hardware they're running them on. . [Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels]
Th0rG0d Pilots From Honour	Posted - 2010.03.03 01:00:00 - [22] Edited by: T*G0d on 03/03/2010 01:02:53 I forget where I read this, but I remember something saying that the "Tranquility Cluster" is in the top 5 of privately owned supercomputers. Even if I could remember, I am sure I read that on the 'net, so I don't know what that's worth, but yeah, if I can remember where I got that info, I'll post it here. Edit: I retract this statement, I could find no such data to back up this at all. -------------------------------------- Adrift in New Eden
ShadowMaster Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.03 01:41:00 - [23] I really wanted to avoid this as I knew it was going to turn into a rant, but I just can not resist. Please for the love of god search the internet before you ***** whine and complain. CCP has been more upfront about the hardware that runs TQ than ANY other MMO company. Period. Proof you say: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=589 http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=603 http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=613 http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=632 http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=653 http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=663 http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=728 Not only has CCP been more open than any other company they actually take our feedback seriously. All you need to do is some VERY simple research, think before you speak, and have some common sense. CCP literally love and care about this game. If you take the time to listen to them, if you ever see them at FanFest, if you take a step back and really look you would see that. Any one who has ever attended FanFest will never doubt the passion CCP has for this game. What blows my mind the most is how people who want to complain post a thread that makes no sense what so ever. They don't put any effort into their complaints and yet expect CCP do put effort into trying to figure out what they mean. Recommendation, if you have a complaint take some time to think it through and post an actual constructive thread. I can guarantee CCP will read it and there is a chance they will respond to it. Back to your complaint OP. I can not see anything from the quote (I am assuming it is a quote anyways) that would lead me to think the servers can not handle the load. They say the servers are "continually updated." That in no way means they can not handle the current load, it means they upgrade them before the hardware limits are reached. "so the server is not made to handle the game load." /facepalm "please quit trying to add new flash to the game" CCP hires some of the best in the industry. They are always working on improving the game. There is no point whatsoever to having everyone at CCP work on overhauling the game. That would not work. Thats like saying "lets have every chief at this restaurant work on this on cake." Ever heard the phrase "two many chefs in the kitchen"? The problems that exist are being looked into, by the best CCP has. "We are working on other optimizations and improvements throughout the game, as usual with our expansions. A task force is working on reducing fleet fight lag, often working deep into the night chasing action around on TQ, while another team is developing an advanced simulation environment for load testing on our local servers." http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=733 Your idea of focusing specifically on whats broken is broken its self. If CCP was to only work on fixing whats buggy they may as well lay off every one who is not an expert at fixing the broken things. Thing is, EVE is all about evolution. If EVE was to suddenly stop evolving (expansions and content being added) than it would be a hell of a lot less exciting. I have been playing since August 2003 and I can tell you however much fun the game was back then, it is a LOT funner now and the new content is partially why I am still around. Stupid character limit... eh enough ranting. Back to work. One last note. To CCP, from one game dev to another. Thank you.
evsNOTeve	Posted - 2010.03.03 01:55:00 - [24] its not the hardware, its the crappy as hell netcode (doesn't seem to scale real well....)
ShadowMaster Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.03 01:58:00 - [25] Originally by: T*G0d Edited by: T*G0d on 03/03/2010 01:09:45 Edited by: T*G0d on 03/03/2010 01:02:53 I forget where I read this, but I remember something saying that the "Tranquility Cluster" is in the top 5 of privately owned supercomputers. Even if I could remember, I am sure I read that on the 'net, so I don't know what that's worth, but yeah, if I can remember where I got that info, I'll post it here. Edit: I retract this statement, I could find no such data to back up this at all. 2ndEdit: It doesn't even appear that we're in the top 500.. I think I need my memory checked for leaks! Did you mean this: Massively multiplayer online game Eve Online has set a new record for the largest supercomputer cluster in the games industry.
Benri Konpaku	Posted - 2010.03.03 02:02:00 - [26] Whatever the issues are I'm sure CCP Fianly will be able to solve them.
Slade Hoo Amarr Corpse Collection Point	Posted - 2010.03.03 02:15:00 - [27] Edited by: Slade Hoo on 03/03/2010 02:15:43 Well..it isn't laggy or crowded where i live. I don't care about motsu, jita or 0.0 stuff. Lowsec ftw :-) ------ Make Lowsec useful! Vote in the CSM-Forum!
SurrenderMonkey	Posted - 2010.03.03 02:29:00 - [28] Is this the thread where players of a game with a fairly involved economic system repeatedly demonstrate that they don't understand the difference between revenue and profit? --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp
Pesky LaRue Minmatar Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels	Posted - 2010.03.03 03:44:00 - [29] Originally by: SurrenderMonkey Is this the thread where players of a game with a fairly involved economic system repeatedly demonstrate that they don't understand the difference between revenue and profit? Yup. Not even sure if this is clear for most people who post here. . [Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels]
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.03.03 03:52:00 - [30] Originally by: SurrenderMonkey Is this the thread where players of a game with a fairly involved economic system repeatedly demonstrate that they don't understand the difference between revenue and profit? No, that would be 85% of the Science&Industry subforum, and about 40% of the Market Discussion subforum _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _

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