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Posted - 2004.11.28 09:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Baldeschwiler
Edited by: Baldeschwiler on 28/11/2004 05:47:05
Edited by: Baldeschwiler on 28/11/2004 05:22:07
I fly an Apocalypse.
I ran into a Player owned station last night outfitted with many defenses.
And where was this pos again? 
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SiN x
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Posted - 2004.11.28 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Baldeschwiler
Edited by: Baldeschwiler on 28/11/2004 05:47:05
Edited by: Baldeschwiler on 28/11/2004 05:22:07
I fly an Apocalypse.
I ran into a Player owned station last night outfitted with many defenses.
And where was this pos again?
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2004.11.28 09:43:00 -
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It is sort of stupid if you think about it. The players should be the damage dealers and the POS should be the defense. The way this sounds is the defenders just sit inside their shields and loot the cans of the armada once the sentrys have done their work. CCP is a little bit sentry centric it seems 
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2004.11.28 09:43:00 -
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It is sort of stupid if you think about it. The players should be the damage dealers and the POS should be the defense. The way this sounds is the defenders just sit inside their shields and loot the cans of the armada once the sentrys have done their work. CCP is a little bit sentry centric it seems
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Del Narveux
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Posted - 2004.11.28 09:50:00 -
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Also note these things take an insane amount of very rare resources to operate. What they need to do is make POS of various sizes, so smaller corps can have smaller weaker ones that are really easy to maintain, and uber-alliances can have the real fortresses.
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Del Narveux
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Posted - 2004.11.28 09:50:00 -
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Also note these things take an insane amount of very rare resources to operate. What they need to do is make POS of various sizes, so smaller corps can have smaller weaker ones that are really easy to maintain, and uber-alliances can have the real fortresses.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.11.28 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Del Narveux
Also note these things take an insane amount of very rare resources to operate. What they need to do is make POS of various sizes, so smaller corps can have smaller weaker ones that are really easy to maintain, and uber-alliances can have the real fortresses.
not a bad idea actually, have different sizes of control tower.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.11.28 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Del Narveux
Also note these things take an insane amount of very rare resources to operate. What they need to do is make POS of various sizes, so smaller corps can have smaller weaker ones that are really easy to maintain, and uber-alliances can have the real fortresses.
not a bad idea actually, have different sizes of control tower.
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Nyphur
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Posted - 2004.11.28 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Torvus Jay
he didnt say he should have won but he absolutely should have survived. The things should be incapable of destruction solo due to strong shielding not rediculous weapons that 2 shot bships.
There was likely more than one cannon. Considering players can anchor a whole bunch of cannons, I see no cause to complain when you get destroyed by them. You can't complain they are doing too much damage overall because they deal balanced damage singly and players know they can position a bunch of them together.
In short, don't attack a space station -_-;.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2004.11.28 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Torvus Jay
he didnt say he should have won but he absolutely should have survived. The things should be incapable of destruction solo due to strong shielding not rediculous weapons that 2 shot bships.
There was likely more than one cannon. Considering players can anchor a whole bunch of cannons, I see no cause to complain when you get destroyed by them. You can't complain they are doing too much damage overall because they deal balanced damage singly and players know they can position a bunch of them together.
In short, don't attack a space station -_-;.
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alphawolf2929
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Posted - 2004.11.28 09:54:00 -
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yeah small ones would be like 50 mill and take about as much damage as 2 or 3 battleships, but only being able too operate some things and do some thing's.
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alphawolf2929
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Posted - 2004.11.28 09:54:00 -
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yeah small ones would be like 50 mill and take about as much damage as 2 or 3 battleships, but only being able too operate some things and do some thing's.
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Max Ownage
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Posted - 2004.11.28 09:56:00 -
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so.... u attack a starbase worth more than you ship is... which needs heaps of fuel and maintenance to keep going... and is bristling with weapons made to destroy long range battleships... and u attacked it alone....
and wonder why you got pwned?
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Max Ownage
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Posted - 2004.11.28 09:56:00 -
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so.... u attack a starbase worth more than you ship is... which needs heaps of fuel and maintenance to keep going... and is bristling with weapons made to destroy long range battleships... and u attacked it alone....
and wonder why you got pwned?
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2004.11.28 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Baldeschwiler
Medium guns at 152km is unheard of.
Med turret sentrys = L ship guns. Looks like you stepped on a POS with lots of med arty sentrys 
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2004.11.28 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Baldeschwiler
Medium guns at 152km is unheard of.
Med turret sentrys = L ship guns. Looks like you stepped on a POS with lots of med arty sentrys
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Fuse
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Posted - 2004.11.28 10:12:00 -
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Let me get this straight you went up to a POS with tons of big guns mounted on it and shot it?!?!?! 
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Fuse
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Posted - 2004.11.28 10:12:00 -
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Let me get this straight you went up to a POS with tons of big guns mounted on it and shot it?!?!?!
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2004.11.28 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Vandal
Edited by: Grim Vandal on 28/11/2004 09:03:02
Originally by: Drutort
Originally by: Torvus Jay
he didnt say he should have won but he absolutely should have survived. The things should be incapable of destruction solo due to strong shielding not rediculous weapons that 2 shot bships.
ya but then again... if the make 1 BS to live all it will take is few more and the POS is down... do you really think that a POS should be that weak? i mean you can make a BS setup that can tank few BS at a time...
you want a POS to be taken down few maybe 5 BS's or something?
i think 100+ ppl and more should be needed take it down... BTW do you think you should NOT lose any ships while taking down something that a corp or alliance has been working there ass off to maintain?
i mean after few months and maybe investment into it... and you want to come with 100+ ships blow it up... lose maybe few BS but does that == the amount spent into that POS? NO
btw the profits of a POS are quite weak at the moment... to make the POS weak and expensive is the 2 worst combos that you could throw out there.
Get a CLUE PPL NPC's reSPAWN player stuff DOESNT not auto RESPAWN!! it takes days/weeks/months to get...
believe me if you could destroy or have even a slight chance of attacking NPC items... they would be so uber that it would take over 200+ ships to take one down im sure... and that would be with heavy losses.
but since you cant, and it does nothing... the sentry guns are weak enough... so that players dont get pwned so bad just for a mistake...
lmao
lets do some math:
control tower shield:
 50 mill HP
200000 secs recharge rate
that is at about 35 % shield: 625 HP EACH SECOND restored
now dont forget the reinforced mode which starts at 25% shield amount.
k this would get too complicated lets see how long it would take to get a control tower into reinforced mode:
lets say you attack with a fleet of 100 Battleships... (not even sure if the server handles that yet)
lets say you are at a range of 100km...
each BS does about 150 dmg each second... at this range
... now lets say the tower has an average resistance of 60%
results in 150 x 100 / 100 * 40 = 6000 dmg each second
at 25% the shield capacity would be 12,5 mill HP
now 37 500 000 / 6000 = 6250 seconds = 104 minutes
So it would take a fleet of 100 Battleships to shoot for 104 minutes at the control tower to get it into reinforced mode
now lets take the defence into account:
lets say the defence is capable to gank one ship each 15 secs ...
that means after 25 mins our whole fleet would be ganked...
uhm lets not forget that the enemy could have a fleet of his own for defence???
How long would the reinfroced mode last??? afaik as long as you have consumeables available... so lets say about for another hour...
so we are up to 104 mins + 60 mins: = 164 mins
for a fleet of 100 Battleships
while on the other hand the defence is capable to destroy this same fleet in 25 mins with the only the pos defence!
so lets say a fleet of 200 Battleships needs about 100 mins... but it would last only 50 mins
so uhm
you actually need a fleet of more than 400 Battleships to take this **** down... with about 80% losses
now honeslty no wonder you couldnt handle it on your own  .
So atm POS is INVULNERABLE cuz there is no way that any node can handle 400 palyers... 
well dunno why but think that the only way that POS will be killed is through the medievel (sp?) ways (lay siege to the system for a looooong period)
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2004.11.28 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Vandal
Edited by: Grim Vandal on 28/11/2004 09:03:02
Originally by: Drutort
Originally by: Torvus Jay
he didnt say he should have won but he absolutely should have survived. The things should be incapable of destruction solo due to strong shielding not rediculous weapons that 2 shot bships.
ya but then again... if the make 1 BS to live all it will take is few more and the POS is down... do you really think that a POS should be that weak? i mean you can make a BS setup that can tank few BS at a time...
you want a POS to be taken down few maybe 5 BS's or something?
i think 100+ ppl and more should be needed take it down... BTW do you think you should NOT lose any ships while taking down something that a corp or alliance has been working there ass off to maintain?
i mean after few months and maybe investment into it... and you want to come with 100+ ships blow it up... lose maybe few BS but does that == the amount spent into that POS? NO
btw the profits of a POS are quite weak at the moment... to make the POS weak and expensive is the 2 worst combos that you could throw out there.
Get a CLUE PPL NPC's reSPAWN player stuff DOESNT not auto RESPAWN!! it takes days/weeks/months to get...
believe me if you could destroy or have even a slight chance of attacking NPC items... they would be so uber that it would take over 200+ ships to take one down im sure... and that would be with heavy losses.
but since you cant, and it does nothing... the sentry guns are weak enough... so that players dont get pwned so bad just for a mistake...
lmao
lets do some math:
control tower shield:
50 mill HP
200000 secs recharge rate
that is at about 35 % shield: 625 HP EACH SECOND restored
now dont forget the reinforced mode which starts at 25% shield amount.
k this would get too complicated lets see how long it would take to get a control tower into reinforced mode:
lets say you attack with a fleet of 100 Battleships... (not even sure if the server handles that yet)
lets say you are at a range of 100km...
each BS does about 150 dmg each second... at this range
... now lets say the tower has an average resistance of 60%
results in 150 x 100 / 100 * 40 = 6000 dmg each second
at 25% the shield capacity would be 12,5 mill HP
now 37 500 000 / 6000 = 6250 seconds = 104 minutes
So it would take a fleet of 100 Battleships to shoot for 104 minutes at the control tower to get it into reinforced mode
now lets take the defence into account:
lets say the defence is capable to gank one ship each 15 secs ...
that means after 25 mins our whole fleet would be ganked...
uhm lets not forget that the enemy could have a fleet of his own for defence???
How long would the reinfroced mode last??? afaik as long as you have consumeables available... so lets say about for another hour...
so we are up to 104 mins + 60 mins: = 164 mins
for a fleet of 100 Battleships
while on the other hand the defence is capable to destroy this same fleet in 25 mins with the only the pos defence!
so lets say a fleet of 200 Battleships needs about 100 mins... but it would last only 50 mins
so uhm
you actually need a fleet of more than 400 Battleships to take this **** down... with about 80% losses
now honeslty no wonder you couldnt handle it on your own .
So atm POS is INVULNERABLE cuz there is no way that any node can handle 400 palyers...
well dunno why but think that the only way that POS will be killed is through the medievel (sp?) ways (lay siege to the system for a looooong period)
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.11.28 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
well dunno why but think that the only way that POS will be killed is through the medievel (sp?) ways (lay siege to the system for a looooong period)
thats the current best way, blockade the system so resupplies cant get in. Wait till it runs out of fuel.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.11.28 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
well dunno why but think that the only way that POS will be killed is through the medievel (sp?) ways (lay siege to the system for a looooong period)
thats the current best way, blockade the system so resupplies cant get in. Wait till it runs out of fuel.
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Torvus Jay
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Posted - 2004.11.28 11:53:00 -
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Grim its far worse than that.
you didnt take into account that as you lose ships your firepower decreases. At those numbers it is impossible to kill a station with 400 bships. you will take 100% loses and probably wont even get it into reinforced mode.
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Torvus Jay
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Posted - 2004.11.28 11:53:00 -
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Grim its far worse than that.
you didnt take into account that as you lose ships your firepower decreases. At those numbers it is impossible to kill a station with 400 bships. you will take 100% loses and probably wont even get it into reinforced mode.
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marioman
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Posted - 2004.11.28 12:11:00 -
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wait till u come across some large arties with an 85x damage mod and XL ammo lol
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marioman
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Posted - 2004.11.28 12:11:00 -
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wait till u come across some large arties with an 85x damage mod and XL ammo lol
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.11.28 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Torvus Jay
Grim its far worse than that.
you didnt take into account that as you lose ships your firepower decreases. At those numbers it is impossible to kill a station with 400 bships. you will take 100% loses and probably wont even get it into reinforced mode.
yep only way is to wait till thei run out of their ice, then the force field goes down and you can attack the sentries
but still sentries will pwn your fleet heavily
cause medium guns already do up to 2000 damage per shot
Wanna fly with me?
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.11.28 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Torvus Jay
Grim its far worse than that.
you didnt take into account that as you lose ships your firepower decreases. At those numbers it is impossible to kill a station with 400 bships. you will take 100% loses and probably wont even get it into reinforced mode.
yep only way is to wait till thei run out of their ice, then the force field goes down and you can attack the sentries
but still sentries will pwn your fleet heavily
cause medium guns already do up to 2000 damage per shot
Wanna fly with me?
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Aikudos En'Fellamen
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Posted - 2004.11.28 12:23:00 -
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Guys, what you have to consider that these things were just pust in the game. Imagine what kind of nerfing these will get over time...
I don't think they will remain "³ber", however, they do need some kind of balancing.
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Aikudos En'Fellamen
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Posted - 2004.11.28 12:23:00 -
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Guys, what you have to consider that these things were just pust in the game. Imagine what kind of nerfing these will get over time...
I don't think they will remain "³ber", however, they do need some kind of balancing.
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