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Conlin Gallente Mad Bombers	Posted - 2010.03.06 02:19:00 - [1] UshraÆKhan has betrayed those who count on it most. It cannot be said more plainly than that. During a time that should be cause for celebration û namely, that Providence is almost tripping over itself to give systems away û UshraÆKhan has becoming a greedy and bloated entity, a thing so unlike what its founders wished for that we, the 11b, can no longer in good conscious retain our membership as part of the alliance. The purpose of our fight, the underlying goal for all our actions, has been to bring freedom to the thousands û even millions û of slaves that have been held across the kennels of providence. Toward that end, we have ceaselessly and without abandon wreaked vengeance upon the holders and allies of those systems, everything from carriers to capsules dying under the fury of our guns. For long months and years, our brethren within UshraÆKhan fought alongside us and we beside them, all united in our single-minded pursuit to end slavery, while bringing wrath and ruin to those who opposed our noble and worthy cause. For long months and years, we assisted our brethren, supplying ships, posÆ, isk, and our very lives to the effort, sweating, bleeding and dying for our brothers, sisters, and the slaves yet to be saved, slaves praying and hoping, their lives hinging on our every move. For months and years, we hacked at the limbs and lifeblood of the slavers, secure in the knowledge that, though it take time, our goal was never forgotten and would one day be realized, codified as it was in our Call to Arms: WE COME FOR OUR PEOPLE! And now, in just weeks and days, under the guise of new leadership, the principles and fiber of the alliance has been compromised. What was once an iron-clad determination to eradicate slavers û to free an entire class of people, the slaves û has been become a weak-willed effort to grab land and swell the ranks with those who have recently benefitted from the toil of those not yet free. It started as a trickle - a former slaver-pilot here and there brought into the ready arms of the alliance. And as UshraÆKhanÆs belly started to bloat from increased members and increased coffers, the whispers beganà talk of a home systemà of mining moonsà of industry. The whisperers played their games in leadership circles, slowly taking hold, and, in short order, their dreams came to fruition. In just weeks and days, half of those who had once fought for freedom, sat lazily in one system, becoming fat on carebear fruits and had forgottenà But the whisperers werenÆt satisfied. ôMOARö they implored of their new leader, Sapphrine. And soon, he delivered. Hiding behind numerous allies, UshraÆKhan saw its chance to grab more land, more systems, more moonsà.more wealth. Hiding behind the titans, capitols, and organization of -A-, UshraÆKhan occupied system after system. Although unable to keep even station services up and running in the systems they had claimed, Sapphrine and the demons whispering in his ear gloried in their ironic twist of fate: with copious help, they had out-blobbed the blobbers. And so it goes. In just weeks and days, talks of freeing slaves has fallen by the wayside, in its stead, the clang of isk, the buzz and hum of moon drills, the incessant whispering in Sapphires ears to push on. An untold number of slaves, those people we are coming for, have died in this war. There has been no talk of freeing them as a goal, and slaver-holder corps, those benefiting and profiting from the labor of slaves have become the newest bedfellows of the alliance. Returning to rearm and reship, we run the risk of meeting those in our homes that only yesterday we were shot by or had shot ourselves. Moving into systems for combat we find only ôallies,ö friends of Sapphrine and his whisperers that were given amnesty for political reasons, amnesty without renouncing or surrendering any actions or arms. And so, UshraÆKhan has betrayed those who count on it most. It cannot be said more plainly than that. Not only has it betrayed those pilots who still follow its founding creed, but more importantly, it has betrayed in the thousands and millions of slaves that are counting on help coming, only to watch their overseers welcomed with open arms, without penance, and without conditions. Madbombers time in UshraÆKhan is at an end. Never have we been as sad or as resolute about a corporate decision. We cannot stay in a body so bloated with greed, slothful in motion or befuddled in purpose. We hope we see the day where the ship is righted and the wind of righteousness blows at your back. Fly safe. 11b.
Konrad Belor	Posted - 2010.03.06 03:28:00 - [2] They're taking the systems of the providence slave lords, they are freeing slaves at an increasing pace, 3 systems down in a week rather than one. Isk is needed to fund these captured systems, surely you understand that? Millitant action is slow and bloody, reform in previous holders is more effective. You claim that U'K has forgotten their cause and thats why you are leaving but I somehow doubt it, feels like there is a different reason you lot are going.
Cecilia Syal Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.03.06 03:34:00 - [3] Ushra'khan has been going down this path for a long time, It's my opinion it was a bad move for them to continue the fight against the slavers behind the protection of -A- and living like tools in their space. AAA is an alliance that cares little for the struggle between the slavers & looks down upon them like the other large power bloc's, Ushra'khan set aside their principles and honor when they moved to -A-'s space to grow fat and rich.... and CVA was almost forced in its hand to push this issue.. and attack Madbombers is just a finger of a larger hand, which took part in this grab for riches and isk, filling your pockets and groping -A-'s behind, So why step away to distance yourself when it's finally reached its conclusion?
Karn Mithralia Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 03:39:00 - [4] Its very rare that I get angry, even rarer that I do so for a forum post. So much for departing with mutual respect. What was all that level headed discussion over the last week or so? Bull** to make me feel good? I don't like being stabbed in the back (cos that what that post is to be frank) by those I trust and have always gone out on a limb for. So here's a message from Karn to 11B: ** you. Consider your bridges burnt and any comradery built over years of fighting together destroyed.
Tryptic Photon Gallente Mad Bombers	Posted - 2010.03.06 04:06:00 - [5] Originally by: Karn Mithralia So here's a message from Karn to 11B: **** you. I think we just figured out our next deployment. :p
Tarac Nor Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 04:06:00 - [6] Dear 11B, I spit on you, leave and do not come back. I considered you friends fighting in different styles but for the same common goal, now no more. It is obvious you are concerned with a kill count rather than helping free our people from oppression. To fight a war you need money and friends, something with you so called hotshots seem to not understand. I look forward to firing missiles across your hulls. Regards Tarac Nor ------End Transmission------
Ohh Yeah Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.03.06 04:10:00 - [7] Posting in epic thread. Karn QQ moar. Tarac QQ moar. They're better off without U'K, I've been saying it for quite some time now.
Tania Russ	Posted - 2010.03.06 04:51:00 - [8] The more U'K or ex-U'K I see dead, the better. Save the slaves, you say, while licking -A-'s boots and attacking Providence to support your own pride and greed, and for no other reason. The true Matari saw through your halfhearted pretense long ago. May you reap what you have sown.
Icarus3 Gallente DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.03.06 04:51:00 - [9] Amazing... Honestly I had expected much more from a longtime friend of the Ushra'Khan. I am of the opinion that for whatever reason, your minds have been poisoned. How would it be possible for the Ushra'Khan to free any slaves at all without the financial aid of moons, SOV and other daily activities? The Ushra'Khan have been doing an outstanding job with the systems in Providence/Catch. I will always support them as will The Star Fraction. This is your opinion, which you are fully entitled to, but I feel it's based on completely false claims. The Ushra'Khan have freed more slaves in the past month than they ever have(at least in my opinion! As for them hiding behind -A-... another claim I don't see grounds for. From my perspective Ushra'Khan and -A- have formed a brotherhood. Not a shield. I witness them working together for a common goal. A goal which they appear to be reaching at an alarming rate. It's sad to see the Ushra'Khan lose a member corp over something so silly but I suppose it's for the best as this will only strengthen them.
LogiCFX	Posted - 2010.03.06 05:03:00 - [10] lol, wut? o.0
Towelieban Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 05:05:00 - [11] 11B It was because of watching Conlin and Karn Mithralia among a few others, but mostly the two I mentioned here, that I became interested in joining UK so long ago. It was the respect you showed your enemies, your tactics and your, for the lack of a better word, unity, amongst each other that inspired me to join UK's ranks. I have had the pleasure to fight along side you for some time now, and during that time I was reassured by not only your actions, and that of 11B, but UK as a whole, that I had made the right decision, I had finally found the home for me in EvE. My initial thoughts were that of small gang warfare, precise tactics, learning from some of the best pilots in the game, but what also drew me was the lack of drama in the alliance, and that has drawn so many like me to UK. Respect for each other, respect for our enemies... Today, Conlin, spokesman for 11B, you have disgraced yourselves by trying to drag the good name of Ushra'Khan through the mud, by trying to slap us in our face.. this public 'announcement' of yours it petty, selfish and immature. The true side of you, Conlin, spokesman of 11B.. has come to light. I speak only for myself, and those closest to me, after reading this.. I say good riddance sir(s). And I retract my statements of sorrow on our boards for your departures. Who am I ? Just a soldier of UK, but a proud one. I see through your slanderous words though. There will be some, like Oh Yeah, that will throw their jabs in from the proverbial 'peanut gallery', but in all, 11B, you are childish and ignorant. I will see you soon. TB _____________________________
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.03.06 05:10:00 - [12] Originally by: Icarus3 Amazing... Honestly I had expected much more from a longtime friend of the Ushra'Khan. I am of the opinion that for whatever reason, your minds have been poisoned. How would it be possible for the Ushra'Khan to free any slaves at all without the financial aid of moons, SOV and other daily activities? Once UK starts claiming systems, claiming sovereignty and setting up "rules" for locals to follow can I assume the Star Fraction will then attack them? After all as the enemy of space claiming alliances that seems to be your stated goal. Just wondering. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
Icarus3 Gallente DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.03.06 05:17:00 - [13] Originally by: Archbishop Originally by: Icarus3 Amazing... Honestly I had expected much more from a longtime friend of the Ushra'Khan. I am of the opinion that for whatever reason, your minds have been poisoned. How would it be possible for the Ushra'Khan to free any slaves at all without the financial aid of moons, SOV and other daily activities? Once UK starts claiming systems, claiming sovereignty and setting up "rules" for locals to follow can I assume the Star Fraction will then attack them? After all as the enemy of space claiming alliances that seems to be your stated goal. Just wondering. Archbishop This is a post about the Ushra'Khan. Like I have stated to you numerous times... stop letting your infatuation with -SF- to consume you. Ushra'Khan I doubt will every become an enemy of -SF-. If anything our bond will continue to strengthen. The difference between Ushra'khan, -SF- and the s****known as CVA/Holders is that we do not enforce standings upon others. General rules in specific systems maybe(depending on who claims the Sov). You're intelligent and experienced enough to know these reasons already... so why is it you need to inquire? The current holders of providence are hated for many reason. Put simply for you... they are slimy slaving dictators who will not be tolerated.
Nooblog Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.06 05:22:00 - [14] Edited by: Nooblog on 06/03/2010 05:22:39 Originally by: Icarus3 Originally by: Archbishop Originally by: Icarus3 Amazing... Honestly I had expected much more from a longtime friend of the Ushra'Khan. I am of the opinion that for whatever reason, your minds have been poisoned. How would it be possible for the Ushra'Khan to free any slaves at all without the financial aid of moons, SOV and other daily activities? Once UK starts claiming systems, claiming sovereignty and setting up "rules" for locals to follow can I assume the Star Fraction will then attack them? After all as the enemy of space claiming alliances that seems to be your stated goal. Just wondering. Archbishop This is a post about the Ushra'Khan. Like I have stated to you numerous times... stop letting your infatuation with -SF- to consume you. Ushra'Khan I doubt will every become an enemy of -SF-. If anything our bond will continue to strengthen. The difference between Ushra'khan, -SF- and the s****known as CVA/Holders is that we do not enforce standings upon others. General rules in specific systems maybe(depending on who claims the Sov). You're intelligent and experienced enough to know these reasons already... so why is it you need to inquire? The current holders of providence are hated for many reason. Put simply for you... they are slimy slaving dictators who will not be tolerated. Please answer me this single question. If -SF- were offered Sovereignty, would the chance to setup shop be accepted or would you decline it? The last response from your representatives left the community baffled. A simple yes or no would suffice.
Icarus3 Gallente DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.03.06 05:33:00 - [15] Edited by: Icarus3 on 06/03/2010 05:36:22 If -SF- were offered Sovereignty, would the chance to setup shop be accepted or would you decline it? The last response from your representatives left the community baffled. A simple yes or no would suffice. A decision like that would likely be put to a vote within our alliance. I am of the opinion that we are not opposed to claiming SOV though within that SOV we would not enforce standings or actions of friendly or even neutral corps/alliances. Those who head into combat with us do so as they share our ideals, not because we force them to do so. We do not encourage or force neutral entities to get involved in our affairs such as all the current providence holders do. Now that I have expressed my opinions can we please get this thread back on it's original topic as to not disrespect the Ushra'Khan any further???
EagleKnight11B	Posted - 2010.03.06 05:35:00 - [16] Roses are Red, Violets are Blue, F**K You!
Nooblog Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.06 05:46:00 - [17] Originally by: Icarus3 Edited by: Icarus3 on 06/03/2010 05:36:22 If -SF- were offered Sovereignty, would the chance to setup shop be accepted or would you decline it? The last response from your representatives left the community baffled. A simple yes or no would suffice. A decision like that would likely be put to a vote within our alliance. I am of the opinion that we are not opposed to claiming SOV though within that SOV we would not enforce standings or actions of friendly or even neutral corps/alliances. Those who head into combat with us do so as they share our ideals, not because we force them to do so. We do not encourage or force neutral entities to get involved in our affairs such as all the current providence holders do. Now that I have expressed my opinions can we please get this thread back on it's original topic as to not disrespect the Ushra'Khan any further??? Bottom line is, if the Star Fraction alliance voted for Sovereignty, you'd take it. Just as your new brethren UNITY, you'd be willing to go against all beliefs just to satisfy an immediate need. Good to see the two alliances are following suit, it's no wonder you get along so well.
Conlin Gallente Mad Bombers	Posted - 2010.03.06 06:12:00 - [18] 3 years and a long time in this decision was made , so lightly it was not . Too much conjecture by those who rant on a whim , especially you Towlieban , an ex member of Sylph who so quickly changed sides . So quickly to demand red standings before the truth be known , that in itself speaks volumes . Sides in which we choose not to take in the war of Providence . We were betrayed , pure & simple . We have our reasons for this hard decision , and the fact a lot of Madbombers ,were long time serving members of a once proud alliance such as Ushra'khan who had values ,tells a story in itself .
Gigaer Minmatar Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 06:31:00 - [19] To say that I am saddened by this turn of events would be a profound understatement. I flew with COGN for years and made some good friends there, and upon getting folded into the Mad Bombers, I had a bad feeling that I couldn't place. Now I can see I should have followed my instincts and transfered to another corp. I'm sticking with the U'K. The U'K takes in slavers to reform their hearts and proves that it's far better to reform the wicked than to eternally clash against them. We swell our ranks because our ranks have proven insufficient for years. As for any grief over holding space, I ask you what is a better option now that our enemies are leaving a vacuum in their wake? We choose to hold space to create a safe haven for our brothers and to stand vigilant against future slaving threats. How can one be so utterly blind to the fact that a PROPER war machine requires more than pilots? It requires funding and industry. You **** all over mission-runners, carebears and indys while we work tirelessly to keep your shipyards operational and your corp wallets full. You spit in the eyes of our founders by condemning the plight they chose to fight to an endless stalemate with our enemies. And finally, you mock those pilots who respected you. I will add this one last personal point. This split has cost me some good friends. My COGN friends. For that I weep.
Anabella Rella Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.03.06 06:32:00 - [20] Originally by: Icarus3 How would it be possible for the Ushra'Khan to free any slaves at all without the financial aid of moons, SOV and other daily activities? I don't know, but seems that we've managed to emancipate quite a large number of Matari without any of those. Not to rain on anyone's parade or take sides, just making an observation...
Tarac Nor Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 06:38:00 - [21] Originally by: Anabella Rella Originally by: Icarus3 How would it be possible for the Ushra'Khan to free any slaves at all without the financial aid of moons, SOV and other daily activities? I don't know, but seems that we've managed to emancipate quite a large number of Matari without any of those. Not to rain on anyone's parade or take sides, just making an observation... There are multiple ways to contribute to the war effort, moon and forms of industry all help to keep the upper hand against the slaver foe.
Towelieban Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 06:51:00 - [22] Originally by: Conlin Too much conjecture by those who rant on a whim , especially you Towlieban , an ex member of Sylph who so quickly changed sides . So quickly to demand red standings before the truth be known , that in itself speaks volumes No whims here. I spoke my mind. Speaking of conjecture and ranting on whims.. I was never in Sylph, in fact when I learned that the Alliance I was in was essentially owned by Sylph, of whom I hated, along with -7- and the rest of their allies.. that was the final straw for me. I left quietly, after losing ship after ship in what small fleets we could muster of those few that gave a rats @ss to even get on TS let alone in fleet.. to what quickly became a lost cause, messaging my leaders of my departure privately. Not airing my laundry distastefully as you have so done tonight. Yes I asked to have you and 11B set red, because #1 you came here with this garbage of a "message" and #2 you named us as your next target in so many words .. i.e... "I think we just figured out our next deployment." Does it speak volumes? Indeed it does sir. Your mail setting me KOS to your friends brings me great satisfaction. _____________________________
Calaxian	Posted - 2010.03.06 06:56:00 - [23] As far as UK... they would of never been able to take the systems in providence without help from -A- i have enjoyed sending them back to there medical clones for the last few months and am sure once -A- get bored they will be left to it......then we will see how good they are without there arse licked friends long live providence and -FA- alliance
Criss AngeI	Posted - 2010.03.06 07:06:00 - [24] Confirming that I'm gay. ...But don't you hate it when you start reading someones signature with out realizing it?
Nooblog Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.06 07:27:00 - [25] Originally by: Calaxian As far as UK... they would of never been able to take the systems in providence without help from -A- i have enjoyed sending them back to there medical clones for the last few months and am sure once -A- get bored they will be left to it......then we will see how good they are without there arse licked friends long live providence and -FA- alliance I would imagine that your alliance doesn't agree with your views. Where you may have a personal feeling of how you see things, saying it's how your entire alliance feels isn't a very bright thing to do. You're liable to tick a few of them off.
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 08:08:00 - [26] bye and dont let the blob hit you on the way out or you wil cry like you do most days abut the unfairness of life. and no UK as a solo alliance woud not be able to take sov on our own in providence. what sorta of ****ed up drugs are you useing to even remotely think its doable? 1200 vs well over 9000 block of peopel that can bring 700 man gangs can you please share the drugs? "Bringing Content to you 1 round of ammo at a time"
Forlorn Wongraven Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 08:23:00 - [27] Bye Conlin! So river of tears because we could finally do against the bloc with our friends of -A-? You never thought of leaving the Kari pipe cause CVA would always hold it. Really bad we can change things. ____________________ Lord Makk > I swear to god if there is a saviour, his name is Forlorn.
Nooblog Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.06 08:27:00 - [28] Originally by: Lilan Kahn bye and dont let the blob hit you on the way out or you wil cry like you do most days abut the unfairness of life. and no UK as a solo alliance woud not be able to take sov on our own in providence. what sorta of ****ed up drugs are you useing to even remotely think its doable? 1200 vs well over 9000 block of peopel that can bring 700 man gangs can you please share the drugs? I look forward to your future where you are abandoned by -A- and need to fend for yourselves. Just wait till they have their own issues which outweigh the crying of a small, warmongering group of terrorists. Live in fear, for your crimes will be dealt with in time. The raping and pillaging of innocents will be punished and your entire regime will fall. The dissension within your ranks shows how poor decisions can lead to dwindling support. I would expect that Madbombers won't be the last corporation to see through the deceit and lies which your organization has devolved into. It's just a shame that the once powerful and true name of Ushra'Khan will be led by people who have lost their way. God will judge you. I advise you repent and follow the lead of those who are enlightened. I respect that CVA has held their ground and have been unwavering in their values. The same can not be said for Ushra'Khan. When the rest of known space is able to see how poor the decisions of your leadership have proven everything said here as fact, the support you seem to have now will pass. While I don't agree with how CVA led their people, at least they stuck by their beliefs.
Nur AlHuda Amarr Callide Vulpis	Posted - 2010.03.06 08:33:00 - [29] Edited by: Nur AlHuda on 06/03/2010 08:34:00 Conlin, Ushra betrayed its ideas one year ago. You shoud see the writings on the wall earlier. Last year minmatar militia begged on knees for help and later specificaly for Ushras help and in return only who heard the call for help was Electus Matari. Ushra was way too busy destroying hostiles of AAA then to pay atention. That was their first step again to claim the space and wealth. It was not about ending a slavery a freedom it was just about full truck of money. When AAA gets defeated by who ever will do that USHRA will melt. Then there will be some post from leadership to returning to the roots to save their minmatar faces and i will quote conlins message to them.
Icarus3 Gallente DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.03.06 09:06:00 - [30] Originally by: Anabella Rella Edited by: Anabella Rella on 06/03/2010 06:39:05 Originally by: Icarus3 How would it be possible for the Ushra'Khan to free any slaves at all without the financial aid of moons, SOV and other daily activities? I don't know, but seems that we've managed to emancipate quite a large number of Matari over the years without any of those. Not to rain on anyone's parade or take sides, just making an observation... Yes U'K have indeed been effective, but lets not compare the past to the present as the freedom is much, much sweeter these days. Entire systems are being freed :-)
Conlin Gallente Mad Bombers	Posted - 2010.03.06 09:30:00 - [31] Lily & towel are the new U'K , guage from them the wise words of wisdom . As long as it comes with coloured pictures & intructions . Towel you ranted & stomped your feet making threats & demanding red standings before you even bothered to getting around to asking why , then you wonder why your KoS ?. Also your corp/alliance was owned by Sylph? , the one you were in .......... then left ?, ......but you were never in Sylph ?. That really needs clarification kid Thanks to all those in U'K , -A- and our other friends for their support in our decision . Good Luck & Fly Safe . Conlin Out .
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.03.06 09:58:00 - [32] Originally by: Icarus3 This is a post about the Ushra'Khan. Like I have stated to you numerous times... stop letting your infatuation with -SF- to consume you. As was my question as it relates to the future of UK once they start claiming systems and claiming sovereignty. Quote: The difference between Ushra'khan, -SF- and the s**known as CVA/Holders is that we do not enforce standings upon others. General rules in specific systems maybe(depending on who claims the Sov). You're intelligent and experienced enough to know these reasons already... so why is it you need to inquire? Perhaps a UK diplomat could come here and publically state that they will endorse a NRDS policy in the future if they claim sovereignty? More importantly though if UK would also state they will ignore pirates in their areas who don't attack them directly thus ensuring they are not enforcing their will on others? I'm just saying the minute UK turns on someone in space they control that hasn't attacked them directly they become what you claim to oppose... an organization forcing itself on others. Thus I need to inquire because either the Star Fraction if that happens will do one of two things. They will either attack the UK as a result or they will be hypocritical to their cause and ignore it where their friends the UK are involved. Personally I think "hypocritical" will be your choice as you frequently only follow your "goals" when it's convenient. Quote: The current holders of providence are hated for many reasons. Put simply for you... they are slimy slaving dictators who will not be tolerated. It still amazes me how they've managed to keep such a hold on thousands of their "pet" alliance pilots over the years. Not a single resident of providence, wether the live in CVA, PXF, -7- space(etc), have never and will never know true freedom. Not until Providence is burnt and rebuilt. Certainly they will know freedom. Space is vast and there are a multitude of systems to inhabit. People have the freedom of choice to get up and move to a region of space where CVA, PXF or -7- rules don't apply. You make an interesting comment though saying not until Providence is "rebuilt". I've never known the Star Fraction to accomplish anything in the "building" category only in the "burnt" category. It's always been easier to destroy then build. Quote:** On a non-aggressive note... you feel we simply aim to challenge anyone who claims Sov... if that is truely the case then I suggest to stop by our alliance public channel to keep in touch with out diplomats. Ushra'Khan have claimed... 18 systems now? Many of which have been claimed for some time... only a few of those being in providence and we continue to hold mutual standings with them... Obviously we don't hate everyone. I can find a multitude of posts in the past where your leaders have repeatedly said the act of "claiming" space is in itself a denial of space being open to others... truly open that is. I'll use the example of the CVA to prove my point. Years ago when the CVA was founded there were no "mass standings" in Providence. There was no "master kill list" everyone followed. Yet back then the Star Fraction declared war on the CVA for "claiming space" and "expanding the empire". If as you claim now you oppose CVA because they are imposing their standings on others what was your excuse then? To me it looks like "enforcing standings" is just is your excuse of the week for violence. Your alliance of hypocrisy will find a new excuse the next time around as you attack someone else while at the same time ignoring your "friends" who do the same thing your "enemies" did. Thus the question remains. If the UK claim space and set "rules" for the area like "you must be NRDS" will the Star Fraction then attack them or ignore them? I'm sure the membership of the UK would like to know about their "future". Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
Borza Slavak Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 10:04:00 - [33] I don't understand Conlin. You say Ushra'Khan has lost sight of its goals by taking more space - but who are we taking the space from? If we were out conquering systems belonging to random space-holding entities you might have a point, but this is territory seized from CVA and their allies, slavers all. I notice you didn't post any comments here about the recapture of Unity Station, was that was a blunder fuelled by greed too?
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 10:10:00 - [34] Oh dear, the corporation who contributed the least to the liberation of Providence from CVA think we're not 'coming for our people'. The cognitive dissonance must be quite something to behold. ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Orokar Blane Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 10:12:00 - [35] We all know what the real reasons are.
EagleKnight11B Caldari Mad Bombers	Posted - 2010.03.06 10:24:00 - [36] Originally by: Butter Dog Oh dear, the corporation who contributed the least to the liberation of Providence from CVA think we're not 'coming for our people'. The cognitive dissonance must be quite something to behold. I do remember you crying in Council forums about our fight in Catch and Providence. You called it useless. Now you jumped on the opportunity when the odds were favorable. We never stopped the fight in Catch or Providence since we joined. It only became political when opportunist, such as you, took advantage of a deteriorating situation in providence that we help emerge. Always remember this Butter. We always been fighting Proviblock since we joined, it was people like you who cried in council to stop. As far as contribution, we have continuously suppressed the enemy since we have been here. The only reason you are saying we did not contribute is because we did not attend UKÆs CTAÆs. It is funny, but when we joined UK we came under terms that we do not do fleet warfare. UK broke that and that is why we left UK. Also, how do you measure participation? We have always been suppressing the enemy since we joined UK. Not like most of UKÆs new pilots, which rat for 95 percent of the time and perform during CTAÆs. We have always been here, where the F*** where you. That is right, you came when the glory could be easily handed to you. Unlike us real grunts that have been fighting in the trenches for a long, long time. 11B will definitely be stopping by the New Providence Block soon, because UK is the new providence. As you can tell, we cannot fight your fleet BSÆs or capital ships, or newly formed blobs. But we can put some punishment down in much needed areas and we hold our traditions well. That is why most UK senior members joined 11B, because we have not changed since we joined UK. UK changed, not 11B. See you in Hell!
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 10:37:00 - [37] Edited by: Butter Dog on 06/03/2010 10:39:43 I have nothing against 11B, in fact I have very little opinion generally speaking. Everyone knows I'm not much of a roamer, I'm much more interested in campaigns, strategy, alliance-wide goals etc - things I believe REALLY move the alliance forward and help achieve our goal of crushing slavery. 11B failed to adapt to our changing circumstances. They were resistant to move forward, to embrace the new strategic landscape, to make best use of it to enable us to 'come for our people' and crush the CVA. This immature spat is quite laughable, and a testament to how removed their opinion is of themselves from that of alliance leadership. But if you want to air dirty laundry in public, you won't come out smelling of roses - far from it. Having 11B outside the alliance doesn't reduce our ability to wage war at all - they never turned up to CTA's, contributed pretty much nothing to strategic alliance goals, used but never contributed to alliance infrastructure, and failed to understand that roaming and killing sansha hunters would not kill ProvidenceBloc, even if they find it amusing. So, they were a bunch of roamers who, whilst occasionally amusing, will move into obscurity as they are not allowing their corporation to grow and develop to be capable of ANYTHING but a little bit of roaming. Whilst the rest of the alliance moves forward, and grows in scale and capablity, they remain nothing more than they ever were. Anyone can roam. You don't need much in the way of resources. It's easy. But fewer corps can successfully think bigger than that, and move themselves into a position of real strength. They failed to adapt. And, like other breakaway corps I can think of, they will eventually wither and die. That said, I'm finding it hard to care - in the grander scheme of things, they simply were not that important. If a corporation like NKB or someone equally important were to leave, then I'd worry. This is just a bit of joke. But if you are going to attract publicity with bizarre galnet transmissions such as this, I'm very comfortable letting people know just how little you contributed, and how you refused to adapt to change. Good luck finding your place in New Eden. ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
EagleKnight11B Caldari Mad Bombers	Posted - 2010.03.06 10:39:00 - [38] LOL how much of that did you copy and paste from UK forums?
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 10:41:00 - [39] Adapt or Die "Bringing Content to you 1 round of ammo at a time"
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 10:44:00 - [40] Originally by: EagleKnight11B LOL how much of that did you copy and paste from UK forums? most of it, i don't believe in duplication of effort The thing is, I've always been entirely focused on killing Providencebloc, but I knew how it needed to be done. The difference between you and I, is that you thought this could be achieved by killing lone sansha hunters in small gang warfare - wheras I knew it could not be. I guess some of us just find it easier to see the bigger picture. ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Stratio Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 10:47:00 - [41] Sad to see you guys go As others have stated already, we are freeing more slaves now than we have ever been able to in the past. The whole point of roaming CVA space was to undermine the economic basis where neutrals pay CVA for docking rights etc. We (with our allies) now OWN some of those stations, permanently denying CVA any further docking fees, notably 9UY. We have made a small but significant contribution to our allies taking the entry points to Providence, further removing the ability of CVA friendly groups getting into providence to rat/mine and pay CVA for station services. Due to the sheer number of recent battles, one of our corp members has been sacrificing an average of one battleship a week to these operations and such losses need to be replaced with ISK. It makes perfect sense to want to earn money from our home systems. I do agree though that, apart from a few exceptions, ex-provi block members generally have no business joing the freedom fighters. As always this is my own private view. _____________________ For Tribe and Honour!
Tirke Amarr	Posted - 2010.03.06 11:15:00 - [42] Sad that you have to show your true colors on IGS, it would have been better handled internally no? You have been showing your ass in alliance chat for the month youve been in 11b, now on IGS? You're idea of freedom fighting is being "elite pvpers" who roam in vagbond squads and kill miners and ratters, then dont show up for group operations that are focused on sov warfare. All so you can point at your 99% effeciency and pat each other on the back for a job well done? Im disappointed, I know youre all good pilots but youre setting a terrible example and you obviously left UK in spirit some time ago and just came on IGS to air dirty laundry because no one cared that you left.
Lucai Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.03.06 11:25:00 - [43] Edited by: Lucai on 06/03/2010 11:25:36 Originally by: Archbishop Incoherent pribble-prabble. Its really shocking to see how far you have come in your obsession with us. In this case, you are trying to built a weak strawman argument using a meager number of totally broken straws. Any freespace ideology neccessarily includes a "live and let live" doctrine. Any NBSI organisation clearly spits on that concept, thus "you must be NRDS" is not a "rule" "enforced" somewhere, but common sense. I have no idea why we should go after UK if they have common sense in Providence. Until you come up with a question thats at least tries to make sense, instead of mad rambling, you may wait for an answer as long as you wish, i dont care. Still, commenting on the "claiming" of space. I think i do not have to lecture you on the past and who set up the first and real NRDS in Providence. Regarding SF attacking CVA, despite claiming NRDS, CVA didnt intervene if members or holder alliances practized NBSI outside providence and just shot whom they were pleased to shoot at. This make a mockery of the whole CVA NRDS from the beginning, as any corporation being attacked by CVA and friends outside providence immediately became KOS in providence if they had the nerve to fight back. The strategy employed by CVA was thus a farce of NRDS from the start. In the last consequence this can be clearly seeing in CVA attacking -A- space, and calling them pirates if they have the nerve to fight back. Pathetic. As a final remark, there is also an important difference between "claiming" space via CONCORD protocols and system occupancy lists, and actually claiming space by enforcing rules or standings.
Cribb Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 11:29:00 - [44] 11B good luck and fly safe. It was a pleasure to roam with you. I do have mixed feelings about this. ------- When in doubt, play loud
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.06 11:33:00 - [45] You know... there is a lot of talk about NRDS, which is really not the issue. Simply, Sev3arance is all about maintaining open space where peaceful pilots can make use of 0.0 space. There are some limitations to this due to policies of pilots in other space, but generally the pilots of the cluster know the reality of providence free space. They know the spin when they see it, so spin away. And again... no -A- space was invaded. the systems were unclaimed, but again we all know that... in the end.... it's a trap!
Stratio Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 11:50:00 - [46] Edited by: Stratio on 06/03/2010 11:52:34 Originally by: EagleKnight11B 11B will definitely be stopping by the New Providence Block soon, because UK is the new providence. So ... instead of just hunting slavers you'll be hunting freedom fighters too now? I would laugh if it wasn't so sad. _____________________ For Tribe and Honour!
EagleKnight11B Caldari Mad Bombers	Posted - 2010.03.06 11:56:00 - [47] Edited by: EagleKnight11B on 06/03/2010 11:58:49 Edited by: EagleKnight11B on 06/03/2010 11:57:14 Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: EagleKnight11B LOL how much of that did you copy and paste from UK forums? most of it, i don't believe in duplication of effort The thing is, I've always been entirely focused on killing Providencebloc, but I knew how it needed to be done. The difference between you and I, is that you thought this could be achieved by killing lone sansha hunters in small gang warfare - wheras I knew it could not be. I guess some of us just find it easier to see the bigger picture. The difference between you and us is that we never gave up or let down on the fight against Providence. Even in the snowstorm when it seemed impossible, 11B kept fighting. It was you and many UK pilots that gave up and only recently reemerged in opportunity. Now that the tide has come UKÆs way, UK pilots reach for entitlement which they previously have not. Meanwhile, UK pilots slander 11B efforts that have been in place for more then a year and a half. So be it! Bathe in your glory and newfound spirit, and p*ss on the warriors whom been fighting in the Providence trenches before this Glory Hole of an opportunity. Our members, other then Karn and a few others, are the last faithful of what UK used to be. The torch of resistance is passed to 11B!
Nosenhojh Mad Bombers	Posted - 2010.03.06 12:08:00 - [48] Originally by: Tirke Sad that you have to show your true colors on IGS, it would have been better handled internally no? You have been showing your ass in alliance chat for the month youve been in 11b, now on IGS? You're idea of freedom fighting is being "elite pvpers" who roam in vagbond squads and kill miners and ratters, then dont show up for group operations that are focused on sov warfare. All so you can point at your 99% effeciency and pat each other on the back for a job well done? Im disappointed, I know youre all good pilots but youre setting a terrible example and you obviously left UK in spirit some time ago and just came on IGS to air dirty laundry because no one cared that you left. The amount of ignorance UK pilots have shown to our contribution is rather amazing. Mad Bombers LIVED in hostile space. Speak all you like of how you joined CTA's and did your sov warfare, our agreement was to be exempt from such activities in exchange for living amongst the enemy and denying them use of their space. To this end we held up our bargain with great effect. Our interdiction operations denied the enemy use of entire constellations. The mention of UNITY station is quite amusing. The members that were so proud to join ops to take the system mysteriously dissapeared once we held the station. For 2 weeks it was a ghost town with broken services. Mad Bombers were the ONLY corporation who had the guts to live out of the station that so many claimed to be proud of. I ask you UK pilots, where were you when we were on the frontlines? Where were you when we took the fight to the enemy by living at their doorstep? The truth is you are oblivious to our operations because you hid safely in friendly space and awaited the Call To Arms, to claim you were part of the cause, to claim you mattered. How many new faces have we seen in the last few months? Pilots that suddenly emerge when victory seems easy, close. Pilots who were nowhere to be seen when things were challenging, when slaver oppression was at its peak and we were fighting on anyway. The warrior spirit that once drived many pilots has faded. We asked not for recognition, for glory. We asked to be free to live and die as warriors fighting our sworn enemies. Our leadership remained unwilling to keep us free from the restraints UK's new philosophy imposed and we were forced to cut loose. I wish I held no grudge against my former allies, but i find myself severely dissapointed in how quickly they turn and spout such lies. You will see us again, and you will know Mad Bombers as the people of providence know us. I only hope one day soon UK finds its way again and they can pursue the cause of freedom without sacrificing the heart and soul of their alliance in the process. Good Hunting
Tizian Enel Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 12:21:00 - [49] Originally by: EagleKnight11B So be it! Bathe in your glory and newfound spirit, and pss on the warriors whom been fighting in the Providence trenches before this Glory Hole of an opportunity. I wonder who is ***ing on whom right now. Personally I'm quite offended. I know I didn't quite reach the roaming levels 11B did. I have done the best I could ever since I got my pilots license. If this is betraying 11B somehow, so be it. I'm glad I've done it even.
Stratio Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 12:30:00 - [50] If you were basing out of 9UY, then you must surely agree that taking 9UY was a good thing? _____________________ For Tribe and Honour!
Kozmic Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 12:41:00 - [51] Stay classy, 11B.
Victorick	Posted - 2010.03.06 12:43:00 - [52] Every word of this has summoned a feeling I have only felt once before, when I was fooled into believing the lies of the Amar. You are shooting this cause you fight so hard for in the leg, shredding it of all it once was, you have dipped your fingers in the pools of corruption yourself, your leaving is only justified by your inability to see the bigger picture, if you were part of it might I add. Do not insult the pride of UshraÆKhan you mindless piece of five bit data, lost within every bite I download to further my ability to kill the weak like you. We fight for freedom, and that has never changed. As a tree grows, it must dig its roots deeper, or we will fall and burn. Yet you believe we can live without these roots, without the foundation required to fight the slavers and rid their kind from existence. Do not insult UshraÆKhan by quoting the deaths of this war, we have saved millions. You and your pathetic group of weak Demi-Gods will be ripped to shreds, I promise you this. Remember my name Mad Bombers. Victorick a proud member of UshraÆKhan until I cease to exist myself.
EagleKnight11B Caldari Mad Bombers	Posted - 2010.03.06 12:47:00 - [53] Originally by: Victorick Every word of this has summoned a feeling I have only felt once before, when I was fooled into believing the lies of the Amar. You are shooting this cause you fight so hard for in the leg, shredding it of all it once was, you have dipped your fingers in the pools of corruption yourself, your leaving is only justified by your inability to see the bigger picture, if you were part of it might I add. Do not insult the pride of UshraÆKhan you mindless piece of five bit data, lost within every bite I download to further my ability to kill the weak like you. We fight for freedom, and that has never changed. As a tree grows, it must dig its roots deeper, or we will fall and burn. Yet you believe we can live without these roots, without the foundation required to fight the slavers and rid their kind from existence. Do not insult UshraÆKhan by quoting the deaths of this war, we have saved millions. You and your pathetic group of weak Demi-Gods will be ripped to shreds, I promise you this. Remember my name Mad Bombers. Victorick a proud member of UshraÆKhan until I cease to exist myself. Ohh boy. A five day old UK member being a "tough guy." I love it. Ok, so let's be tough guys. You wanna fight about it? Put your money where your 5 day old mouth is. Loser!
Victorick	Posted - 2010.03.06 12:52:00 - [54] Originally by: EagleKnight11B Originally by: Victorick Every word of this has summoned a feeling I have only felt once before, when I was fooled into believing the lies of the Amar. You are shooting this cause you fight so hard for in the leg, shredding it of all it once was, you have dipped your fingers in the pools of corruption yourself, your leaving is only justified by your inability to see the bigger picture, if you were part of it might I add. Do not insult the pride of UshraÆKhan you mindless piece of five bit data, lost within every bite I download to further my ability to kill the weak like you. We fight for freedom, and that has never changed. As a tree grows, it must dig its roots deeper, or we will fall and burn. Yet you believe we can live without these roots, without the foundation required to fight the slavers and rid their kind from existence. Do not insult UshraÆKhan by quoting the deaths of this war, we have saved millions. You and your pathetic group of weak Demi-Gods will be ripped to shreds, I promise you this. Remember my name Mad Bombers. Victorick a proud member of UshraÆKhan until I cease to exist myself. Ohh boy. A five day old UK member being a "tough guy." I love it. Ok, so let's be tough guys. You wanna fight about it? Put your money where your 5 day old mouth is. Loser! Haha! This is all you can offer me? Some mindless vomit about how long I have been installed here? It seems Mad Bombers really are just the weakest link here, but I won't stop you from proving me wrong.
Vinndel Gallente Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 12:53:00 - [55] Originally by: EagleKnight11B Originally by: Victorick Every word of this has summoned a feeling I have only felt once before, when I was fooled into believing the lies of the Amar. You are shooting this cause you fight so hard for in the leg, shredding it of all it once was, you have dipped your fingers in the pools of corruption yourself, your leaving is only justified by your inability to see the bigger picture, if you were part of it might I add. Do not insult the pride of UshraÆKhan you mindless piece of five bit data, lost within every bite I download to further my ability to kill the weak like you. We fight for freedom, and that has never changed. As a tree grows, it must dig its roots deeper, or we will fall and burn. Yet you believe we can live without these roots, without the foundation required to fight the slavers and rid their kind from existence. Do not insult UshraÆKhan by quoting the deaths of this war, we have saved millions. You and your pathetic group of weak Demi-Gods will be ripped to shreds, I promise you this. Remember my name Mad Bombers. Victorick a proud member of UshraÆKhan until I cease to exist myself. Ohh boy. A five day old UK member being a "tough guy." I love it. Ok, so let's be tough guys. You wanna fight about it? Put your money where your 5 day old mouth is. Loser! I'm sure he does want to fight about it, and the way things are going he just might, but so will everyone else.
EagleKnight11B Caldari Mad Bombers	Posted - 2010.03.06 13:00:00 - [56] How about I role play a little more, considering how totally awesome your 5 day status holds. Better yet: You qualify for council! Good job chicken technician! Here is your totally awesome role play: Thou be turd in corrupt alliance. Why thou be upset young lamb, did ribald Sapphrine make haste to thou? I really do not know why UK is letting you post!
Vinndel Gallente Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 13:02:00 - [57] Edited by: Vinndel on 06/03/2010 13:03:26 Originally by: EagleKnight11B How about I role play a little more, considering how totally awesome your 5 day status holds. Better yet: You qualify for council! Good job chicken technician! Here is your totally awesome role play: Thou be turd in corrupt alliance. Why thou be upset young lamb, did ribald Sapphrine make haste to thou? I really do not know why UK is letting you post! ((you're on the wrong forum mate))
Stratio Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 13:09:00 - [58] Pilot EagleKnight11B, are you intending to answer my questions, or are you now just being a troll? _____________________ For Tribe and Honour!
GrimmRipper	Posted - 2010.03.06 13:12:00 - [59] Don't worry my little bombers UK will get they're share of betrail from AAA.
Nebulous Minmatar Salvage Junkies	Posted - 2010.03.06 13:13:00 - [60] When did IGS become CAOD? ----------------------------------------------
Tirke Amarr	Posted - 2010.03.06 13:13:00 - [61] To be fair, eagleknight is legitimately ******ed, he is deserving of our pity and alms, maybe his implants are malfunctioning. But in response to nos, and conlin - You guys have been in 11b for 1 month? Everyone can see that, you joined got some bug up your butt about how cool it was just to roam and kill random pilots, then got mad at the alliance for taking your "services" for granted? Like we would have been inundated with ratters and lost all our footholds in provi if you didnt go on your 3 man roams. I understand, you guys have a tight knit pvp gang, thats cool for you, I used to fly in one of those as well. But dont be spiteful against the alliance because they made your sandbox smaller by fulfilling long term goals. Everyone in UK is celebrating and 11b is sitting in the corner pouting wishing things hadnt changed...
Amir Baki Amarr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 13:18:00 - [62] I find this discussion quite hilarious, see you on the battlefield 11b, wish you didnt have to go out acting like a bunch of f**ktards tho ----------------------
Dame Death Minmatar Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 13:26:00 - [63] I haven't flown with 11b since I joined U'K but have had the honour of fighting them in the past. One of these times was my first time as ôFCö and as such a fight I will always remember. But I have to say this post has made me lose most the respect I had for them. See you in space and lets keep the fighting to Auto cannons not words. Logs of a Brutor
Amir Baki Amarr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 13:35:00 - [64] agreed, before yesterday i had a lot of respect for 11b and their pilots, due to their honor and skill on the battlefield, but this thread has forced me and many other UK members to lose all respect for them ----------------------
EagleKnight11B Caldari Mad Bombers	Posted - 2010.03.06 13:36:00 - [65] Originally by: Tirke To be fair, eagleknight is legitimately ******ed, he is deserving of our pity and alms, maybe his implants are malfunctioning. But in response to nos, and conlin - You guys have been in 11b for 1 month? Everyone can see that, you joined got some bug up your butt about how cool it was just to roam and kill random pilots, then got mad at the alliance for taking your "services" for granted? Like we would have been inundated with ratters and lost all our footholds in provi if you didnt go on your 3 man roams. I understand, you guys have a tight knit pvp gang, thats cool for you, I used to fly in one of those as well. But dont be spiteful against the alliance because they made your sandbox smaller by fulfilling long term goals. Everyone in UK is celebrating and 11b is sitting in the corner pouting wishing things hadnt changed... So why did you leave UK? You were sitting in the corner crying when we did not accept you into our gang. Funny how that works. UK. Bottom line is this. Cry, cry, cry all you want. We are now coming for you; of course after we eat some tacos and drink some beer, but we will be coming for your fat Provi butt! Right now all you ladies are acting like tough guys because you run huge gangs. When that wears off, we will be there. We will let the guns do the talking. I really find it funny how much trash you have been talking since you taken space at the expense of -A- and others. Not just internally, but in COAD and IGS. It really does not mean much to me. I actually get a kick out of it, because in the end--you will face the barrel of our guns. Do not be mislead, 11B are very good group of pilots, so your smack talk about meeting us in space holds no ground: You will die! I am done posting here. I am not going to wish you luck, because you do not have it. I wish you death!
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 13:36:00 - [66] Originally by: EagleKnight11B The difference between you and us is that we never gave up or let down on the fight against Providence. Even in the snowstorm when it seemed impossible, 11B kept fighting. Let me break this down into components you might understand. Firstly, far from 'giving up', my corporation fully supported the move into UK becoming an entity which could do more than 'just roam'. We acquired considerable numbers of caps and supercaps, we established the bridge network and POS infrastructure, we attended CTA's as well as roams - and as a result, achieved VASTLY more kills against the ProvidenceBloc every single month compared than your coporation. This was on top of our committment to managing UK infrastructure, to enable the alliance to gain ISK which would ultimately fuel a full-scale war against CVA. By every single measure, my corporation utterly outperformed yours. So, don't claim we had 'given up' simply because we looked to the long-term. Unlike you, we had realistic goals and the means of realising them. We knew how to destroy Providence. We knew we had to become stronger, more capable, more intelligent. And we did. Now, I'm not one to come onto Galnet as shout 'hur hur we are better than you'. Remember who started this thread. But what I will not do is accept critisism which is delusional and unfounded. I will call you out on it. If you had your way, UK would never have claimed space, never have established infrastructure to support our war economy, never sided with Against All Authorities, and never achieved anything other than roaming around in vagabonds killing sansha hunters. We'd still be in Curse or lowsec, and slavery and the CVA would still be untouched in Providence. You have completely failed to see the bigger picture, and this public cry of emotion just smells of desperate attention seeking. Your corporation is, as far as I am concerned, now an irrelevancy. We discussed your departure on our corporate message board, and one of my fellow directors put it best: Originally by: corp forum when I heard they would be leaving I was sad, thankfully that galnet message solved that for me, now I can only say good riddance you delusional self righteous **tards also, lol at them "fighting in the trenches", they did only what was fun for them, when it pleased them, where it pleased them, the people really fighting in the trenches are the ones showing up for the CTAs to do the gritty, laggy, dirty and often boring fleet work that really accomplishes objectives instead of just messing around dont get me wrong I too like roaming or small scale warfare more then fleet warfare, but I also see that the best way to really hurt someone is to take their stations they say U'K changed not them, I say U'K was serious about its goals and - to reiterate that metaphor in a place where it actually fits - willing to "fight in the trenches" for it, 11B was not, they were only prepared to do what pleases them most regardless of higher goals they now so ludicrously invoke in their little **post on galnet You've burnt your bridges. See you in space. ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Forlorn Wongraven Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 13:56:00 - [67] As a sidenote: while 11B lived two weeks in 9UY with damaged facilities they were unable to repair any of the services. My corporation (being the one that actually put the first step into Unity after recapturing) was able to rep them during heavy sov warfare in J6 and Aegis space - pretty sure there is a difference between claiming to be important and being responsible. ____________________ Lord Makk > I swear to god if there is a saviour, his name is Forlorn.
Conlin Gallente Mad Bombers	Posted - 2010.03.06 13:59:00 - [68] Edited by: Conlin on 06/03/2010 14:01:17 Butter for someone who has little opinion or little worry about our departure , you seem to have a lot to say , as usual !!. Will U'K pilots be banned from posting in here also ,for your participation only ?. The usual faces & names are here putting 11B down , the same type such as Towelieban , who dived in head first without thinking , demanding we be set red . Then afterwards asking why we left , engage brain first before having an opinion . Those that are supporting us , matter more than a select few who never liked 11b's success's & tactics . I do not intend to hunt U'K , unless provoked , and as you new U'KProvi know too well , when provoked you best dive for cover fast !! This topic has run its course , and Archie please stop trying to hijack this post ....get yer own Forlorn yes you may have repped the services , but Providence came daily to unrep them , and who was it that fought Providence daily and repped them again ?. Correct 11B !!. Everyone have a good day now & fly safe.....ish .
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 14:17:00 - [69] I don't recall putting your corp down before. I saw this galnet transmission and responded appropriately. You get what you deserve from me, nothing more. ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.03.06 14:20:00 - [70] "Happiness is measured not by what you hold in your hand, but in your heart" St. Ageroth I believe 11B is trying to point out that Ushra'Khan is in danger of focusing more on what they hold in their hands, rather then what they hold in their heart. The UK story has typical parallels to the story of a slave. Like a slave, Ushra'Khan lived under the roof of a (kind but stern) master: Against All Authorities. They were forced to please their master in hopes of receiving food and adopted their master's principles to a large extent (90% NBSI, 10% NRDS). But soon they began to respect their master, and the master started to trust its servant. Their relationship proved mutually beneficial. Now the day has come that UK feels ready to leave its master's house and strike out on their own. But are ready? Will they be able to resist the lure of wealth and recognition? Will the hard lessons they had to learn during their years as mere servants and slaves be erased in a matter of weeks and months? ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 14:28:00 - [71] Yes, as we remove CVA from providence we're in danger of losing out anti-slavery ideals ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Lazlo Canaletto Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 14:34:00 - [72] I, myself, can relate to some of the facts that have been thrown out here by the 11B's. But I see them as short sighted, stubborn and not thought thorough. But I think that's a part of the story. But still, the openly hostile way of getting ones goals out has been all but respectful. 11B, I have respected you as what you've been done in the past, but as many have stated, that respect has vaned quite a bit. Although you have some former members of my corporation, doesn't move the opinion to the way or the other. I just hope that your small crusade will get a hold of sense. To me it just seems that the goals of U'K are next to nothing to you and you just want "easy" pickings close by, so you wouldn't need to drag yourselves to some other "more active area" -considering challenging fights. As the first post by Conlin was not an eye-opener, not even near being one. If insulting was the goal of it, it was succesful. But still, I fail to see the reason. And you fail to give valid points...
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 14:54:00 - [73] buhu peopel blew up the services. i think its fair you spent time repairing them as you seams to have alot of time on your hands while the rest of us was on ctas "Bringing Content to you 1 round of ammo at a time"
Lord Makk Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 15:07:00 - [74] We always knew you were *****s. Thanks for confirming. I wish you best of luck trying to "hurt" us with your "elite" roaming in our sections of space, we'll just hotdrop on you for the luls and watch your tears flow. Also you for recruiting some of the good pilos and twisting their minds with your utter bull**. Good luck in ventriloworld, nobody likes you. The Cerbmeister
Towelieban Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 15:11:00 - [75] Originally by: Conlin The usual faces & names are here putting 11B down , the same type such as Towelieban , who dived in head first without thinking , demanding we be set red . Then afterwards asking why we left , engage brain first before having an opinion . Those that are supporting us , matter more than a select few who never liked 11b's success's & tactics . In this thread is the first time I've ever said anything negative or against 11B, in fact on our forums, I was not only the 1st to respond, but responded with a very genuine: Quote: man... hate to see you guys go. Really I do. Whatever reason it is, fly well gents !! Then I saw this backstabbing post, responded here, asked to see you put red based on your threat towards us (a few posts below your initial one if you recall) You call that head first?? I call that necessary defensive measures. I never asked, and I don't care why you left... in fact my initial mail to you after posting here was: Quote: You have surprised me Conlin, I joined UK because of you and a handful of other soloists I watched for so long in catch and provi. I don't know your reasons why you left, or your reasons for such hate, I just wish it had not gone down the way you led it down. You see me asking son? Flame away with your nonsense. I'm done here, I've broken my own personal rule of not posting on public forums too many times already. _____________________________
Tryptic Photon Gallente Mad Bombers	Posted - 2010.03.06 15:11:00 - [76] Edited by: Tryptic Photon on 06/03/2010 15:12:06 Originally by: Butter Dog If you had your way, UK would never have claimed space, never have established infrastructure to support our war economy, never sided with Against All Authorities, and never achieved anything other than roaming around in vagabonds killing sansha hunters. We'd still be in Curse or lowsec, and slavery and the CVA would still be untouched in Providence. If we had had our way, UK would've never utterly sold out it's ideals in the name of progress. Slurp up hundreds of 2-bit slimey slavers to fatten your ranks? After mocking them for years? NO NAP the very slavers who held our people? To save yourself a few hours of system cleaning? NO Build a culture of fat lazy carebears who develop space that only exists because of papa bear's protection? NO But, as the spokesperson for a PVP alliance with the battle record of a short-bus toddler, you are proud of what you've "accomplished". Please spend more time sitting in station while the real warriors fight and die in the trenches. You couldn't be more out of touch with the modern battlefield. Yes, you've accomplished so much. It only cost UK every single principle it's claimed to hold sacred.
Lord Makk Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 15:13:00 - [77] Edited by: Lord Makk on 06/03/2010 15:15:28 We have never napped our true enemy. You are flowing over with bull Tryptic. Ninja edit : I believe the strategic values brought together by Butter and the other people who involve themselves in such activites, hold more significant value to Ushra'Khan than a set of people that hold themselves in such a high regard while infact contributing closer to zero on the greater strategic level. How can you even spew this much crap? The Cerbmeister
Ugleb Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 15:16:00 - [78] Edited by: Ugleb on 06/03/2010 15:20:01 I will keep this simple. In order to liberate an entire region, you need a war machine. To build that war machine, you need ISK. To get that ISK, you need infrastructure. To fight an enemy as vast as the Providence bloc, you need allies. We have been building that war machine, we have been building that infrastructure in Catch, we have been gathering those allies now seen in Providence. Those stations falling before us? Each of them a liberation, each of them the act of freeing thousands, driving the slaver and his allies out. We are liberating that region, we are freeing those slaves. We are coming for our people. We have betrayed nothing. We are fighting the war that the cause demands we fight, with the weapons needed for victory. We have freed more in a month than in the past two years. What else would you have of us? Edit - typo. P.S. Didn't read whole thread. The Journal; Walking The Road To Liberation
Dalv Fliteo Minmatar Just another one man corporation	Posted - 2010.03.06 16:33:00 - [79] Puts on his emo hat Screw you all!
Maestro Ulv Phaze-9 Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 16:47:00 - [80] Agreeing or not with your reasons I say one thing, farewell to those who did fight alongisde the rest of us to free our people and may you have luck in your endeavors. U'K changed, you didn't like it or you had your other motives, fair enough.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.03.06 17:02:00 - [81] All in all an interesting situation. I have to believe we will see more of this within the Ushra'Khan as their campaign continues. Certain factions will embrace the "homesteading" lifestyle where they establish POS, create industry, move in and settle down. Meanwhile other factions will continue to embrace combat and seek to free their kind. It is only inevitable that one group will grow to resent the other. Madbombers are merely the first of many we'll see put into this position. I have to believe -A- has no desire to occupy Providence long term and likewise don't believe they have the stomach for a year after year long war. UK on the other hand won't give up the fight as an alliance but will see individuals within that alliance seek their own goals and rewards as time goes on. Then when those goals are reached others will become resentful as has happend here. Perhaps this is evidence enough of the need for firm Amarrian leadership and the benefits of slavery for the Minmatar. When they were slaves they didn't have to worry about things like maintaining an infrastructure, creating an industrial base, supplying food and medical care to their citizens. Like it or not Providence has survived longer then most other regions of space as a safe harbor for neutral pilots. I can think of no other alliance that has done as much for the cause of free travel and commerce. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
Kra RA	Posted - 2010.03.06 17:13:00 - [82] "Tell me who your friends are, and I will tell you who you are." UK seems has some close friends. _________________ a manu dei e tet rimon
Ohh Yeah Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.03.06 17:35:00 - [83] Someone has to make sure that U'K has a respectable killboard. Now they move into Provi where the hunter becomes the hunted. They didn't want that corp anyways, right?
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 17:41:00 - [84] Originally by: Tryptic Photon If we had had our way, UK would've never utterly sold out it's ideals in the name of progress. UK's ideals are the end of slavery, and the removal of the CVA slaver regime from Providence - by any means necessary. I don't know what ideals you thought we had, but clearly you're somewhat confused and will be much happier persuing your own selfish agenda. ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.06 17:50:00 - [85] 11b, enjoy your new found freedom, it has become quite obvious over the past months that you were not fitting in anymore. U'K used to be only about the roaming but I don't think it was hidden that we were always aiming to take on Providence head eventually and to do that we would need to take and hold space. For an alliance our size we hold quite a spartan number of systems but the open refusal to get involved in that element makes it impossible for you to continue in u'k. If you ever want a reference feel free to contact other command staff for personal references. I can attest to the individual pilot skills in 11b. I can attest to your prowess in small gang warfare, inserting deep behind enemy lines and raising havoc. But as an entity capable of actually projecting meaningful force in 0.0? Don't be ridiculous. Your pilots are given free reign to follow corporation orders let alone alliance. I really can't see many 0.0 alliance being able to find a home for you which doesn't just make you look like a group of pilots wanting all the fun of fighting on a side in a war without any of the effort to hold that side. Good luck in what you do in the future but don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Ohh Yeah Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.03.06 17:56:00 - [86] A respectable response from Sapphrine. Just try to stay inside the POS shields in the future m8.
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.07 01:03:00 - [87] Originally by: Ohh Yeah A respectable response from Sapphrine. Just try to stay inside the POS shields in the future m8. no. because unlike you i'll make a more commited response to my entity instead of making pot shots over insignificant things. Well done on killing me in a Cerberus, I'm sure u'k as an entity will grind down and stop as a result. When you're putting the commitment and effort that all our command staff do into making U'K what it is along with our pilots then you can make snipes about people making mistakes. Otherwise, find something constructive to do with your time :)
Nathvas	Posted - 2010.03.07 03:52:00 - [88] Originally by: Tryptic Photon Edited by: Tryptic Photon on 06/03/2010 15:12:06 Originally by: Butter Dog If you had your way, UK would never have claimed space, never have established infrastructure to support our war economy, never sided with Against All Authorities, and never achieved anything other than roaming around in vagabonds killing sansha hunters. We'd still be in Curse or lowsec, and slavery and the CVA would still be untouched in Providence. If we had had our way, UK would've never utterly sold out it's ideals in the name of progress. Slurp up hundreds of 2-bit slimey slavers to fatten your ranks? After mocking them for years? NO NAP the very slavers who held our people? To save yourself a few hours of system cleaning? NO Build a culture of fat lazy carebears who develop space that only exists because of papa bear's protection? NO But, as the spokesperson for a PVP alliance with the battle record of a short-bus toddler, you are proud of what you've "accomplished". Please spend more time sitting in station while the real warriors fight and die in the trenches. You couldn't be more out of touch with the modern battlefield. Yes, you've accomplished so much. It only cost UK every single principle it's claimed to hold sacred. I guess I would be one of those "2-bit slimey slavers" because I was once a member of a corp that was in BOTS a ally CVA, and Slyph. At least was when I was part of it. I was glad when my corp joined UK. Meant I could gain vegence against against CVA and Slyph for when they Betrayed BOTS. For me, this fight against CVA and Slyph is personal. As it is with many of my fellow corpmates. Yes we're not a pure pvp, we're a industrial/pvp hybrid. We build, we fight, we adapt. And you decry us taking sov and forming a homeland. What is wrong with that? UK long ago had a homeland in providence. I don't need to tell you way 9UY is so important. You've been fighting under the UK banner ten times longer then me. To say we're growing fat is absurd. I have benefited as much as the next UK warrior in the development of our Nation, yet I am not rich, nor am I fat. My riches go to the purchase of war materials. In the last month I have made a few hundred mill yet my wallet is no bigger. Why is that? Its because I purchase replacement fighters for my carrier, donations to the alliance war chest, and the purchasing of weapons I cannot build. The carrier I fly is also mine, not the corps, not the alliances. Its mine. So when she jumps into battle, wearing the fist with pride and ready to die for the liberation of Providence, it is this so called fat carebear that will feel the hit of herloss the most for I built her with my own two hands. You fight the old style UK fights. While its effective in causing the enemy pain and grief and still has its place even now, it simply does not work for UK's goal of liberating providence. Attacking miners and the lone Battleship or two isn't enough to liberate Providence. To liberate Providence we need armadas of fleets, not lone ships or small squadrons. UK has grown from a few tribes hiding in the mountains to a full fledge nation with its own army. And while you have your reasons to perhaps to hate the alliance leadership or council, I know I never done anything against you while in UK and I'm sure many in UK haven't harmed you in any way. If you wish to take your tribe back to the mountains, all right thats fine with me. If you had simply said "Do to our own personal views, we wish to leave UK to fight our own way against slavers" I would have saluted you and wished you well. But you did not. You did something, I a ex-2-bit slimy slaver, would never do, and that is Slap and spit your in former comrades face.
Black Necris Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.07 04:33:00 - [89] I remember sharing lots of fights with several of your pilots, we destroyed Fang as BWL, we joined Cry Havoc, things went sour but still i had lots of respect and admiration for you and of your small fleet warfare tactics. Reading this statement really saddens me, you spit on the face of every single pilot that admired you, and supported you. All this years of friendship and laughs, and you have to come here with this statement... a shame... a **ing shame... Everyone knows you are doing this so you can have targets to shot at, at least have the ing balls to say the things the way they are, don't ing dare to tarnish our reputation just so you can have your *ing fun... "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."*
Dogbeast Minmatar Darkwave Technologies Blade.	Posted - 2010.03.07 05:18:00 - [90] Good luck in the future 11b. I always respected your pilots for your skill and commitment. Ushra'Khan, look at the bright side. The target pool of Providence has gotten larger. Oh, and at least 11b didn't pull a Shadowandlight on you...
VAGABONDR	Posted - 2010.03.07 05:57:00 - [91] As this is or was supposedly the rp section of the game I wasn't going to post, but seeing as how many people have fallen out of that aspect of the "game" I feel I can legitimately post here at this time. As a relatively "new" member to 11b and to Uk alliance when the decision came down to leave, I can't post on what has happened over the last 5 years, However I can speak of just before the provi campaign and during said campaign. 11b was when I joined to have one mission approved by UK leadership, We provided full time(lived in hostile space)harassment and hardship to our enimies. We did this with a vengance. I personally never saw a UK or-A- jb or station in three months. To say we only picked on miners is simply silly, unless you can mine from carriers. To say we had no hand in breaking the provi block is even more silly, just contact Kelb from sylph and ask him if 11b wasn't one of the single most important reason they folded from the provi block. Or perhaps contact one of the tracer group guys and ask them why they left sylph?..We had a decisive part in breaking down the provi block. UK industry...My alt has been heavy in industry for years, I have miles of experience at everything from market experience to complex reactions, When I enquired to 11b as to why we werent doing any industry they pointed me to the UK forums on Moons, simply put it is a joke to see the alliance level of input was simply, "type a moon cost x amount to rent".. You all need to have a lesson from severence when you jump into one of thier systems and see 23 complex reaction pos's. This was reinforced to me as I watched in alliance chat as leadership begged for donations to buy a large pos for one of the systems you were trying to grab sov in. Simply put, to say that your great war machine is run by UK industry is a joke. I am awaiting the days when the sov bills come do for all the systems you ran around and "captured" at great cost to your pilots and will love to see how your great industrial based war machine alliance is going to pay for them. 9uy...Unity station, The jewel of UK, all the talk I listened to about the day when UK would reclaim this and how our struggle was based on the loosing of it before I arrived. It was taken, a great day for UK, but then it was empty. We held the station but the reds still held the control of the system, even with working pos's being refueled and serviced daily, the station services couldn't even be used as no one could be bothered with repairing them or taking the bubbles off anything but the undock at the station. The reds got daily kills from pilots trying to dock...I personally thought "how can UK run off and grab another system before securing their home system?". to rectify this I put a emo rage post on 11b forums and we then, with the help of the few alliance pilots living in 9uy took down the bubbles, repped the pvp services and moved into 9uy. As our kb stats climbed, suddenly we had more alliance members living there and making kills, now its a held and protected system, end result is directly from 11b efforts. A simple fact. Everything above is from a relatively new member with no personal grudges against anyone in UK. It comes from vast experience in industry and pvp with a few different alliances. It is simple facts that can all be backed up from outside sources or through your own forums. Why did 11b leave UK and post our(corp wide approved) thread in the rp forum section, we left because UK upper leadership wanted us to change what we feel was our most effective way to contribute, we posted as the RP Players felt that it was accurate and in staying with the "game". Vaga
UVPhoenix2 Gallente Brotherhood of Heart and Steel Iron Heart Brotherhood	Posted - 2010.03.07 06:09:00 - [92] A lot of blood, sweat, and tears in this thread. I know how you feel. Material of this nature affect us all in different ways. What you need to do is learn from this. And this is just my sig.
Dessie Enta Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.03.07 06:20:00 - [93] 11b represent everything that is weak within the minmatar people. No stomach for a prolonged fight. They cut an run at the first sign of needing to make an effort beyond terrorizing the weak Soon you will be slaves again
Black Necris Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.07 06:30:00 - [94] You fail to realize that the war against CVA is not over... and there are more important matters than securing a single system, even if it holds Unity station... like erradicating CVA entirely from Providence. Its simply STUPID to claim UK betrayed their ideals, what are we doing as we speak? we are removing the most known Amarr loyalist alliance from their "reclaimed" space! what is this fight all about from day one? liberating the slaves and killing the slavers... and what are we doing?. I just feel sorry for those that are caught between this move. "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."
VAGABONDR	Posted - 2010.03.07 07:44:00 - [95] Originally by: Black Necris You fail to realize that the war against CVA is not over... and there are more important matters than securing a single system, even if it holds Unity station... Very true, I agree with you the war is not over and saying this, let me pose a few questions to you. If you are a general of a army and you have a group of special forces trained killers that can operate behind enemy lines and disrupt the flow of war materials and pilots to the battlefield, do you pull them away from that, hand them a club, and say "join our mob and go kill the enemy my way because I want you to"? I think if you do then you don't deserve to be a war general, It shows nearsightness and little experience. If your the Squad leader(corp ceo) being lead by a general like that, do you tell your brothers in corp, do it because someone said to no matter the cost to you or do you do whats best for your loyal supporters and do what you know is best for your squad(corp)? As for holding the single system.... is it wiser to secure your foothold and move on in a long and bloody struggle or leapfrog around different areas throwing up your battle flag that wont be able to stay supported in a month do to lack of funds/supplies and attrition of troops? Ask yourself these questions with an open mind and the knowledge that you hold. Answer them with honesty and not a hardened heart for your former brothers at arms.. Just don't ask them out in the open or you may find yourself faced with the same delima we faced, it could be answered with "it's my way or the highway"
Disv	Posted - 2010.03.07 07:56:00 - [96] I havnt been part of UK for too long, just over 4 months i believe it is, but what i can tell you about the alliance is that it is "exactly what it says on the Tin". What i mean is that i came to the alliance knowing some of the history, knowing the honour the alliance carries and understanding that i would be joining a cause that people believed and cared about very dearly. Over time Ushra'Khan has pushed itself from a guerrilla warfare sytle alliance, to a fully fledged, moderately sized, multi-functional power in Eve. Understandably, corporations like 11b who love to roam in small, hard to catch fleets were bound to disapprove of such moves. I mean who doesnt like roaming all the time, attacking enemies at their weak points, causing havoc with ratters, miners and generally just having plain old fun? It doesnt take a very smart man to figure out the type of pilots 11b are, your basic "Lets rock, kick some ass, Chuck Norris style solo-artists" We have all come across these types before. I dont at all mean that is generally a bad thing, i mean these types are usually good pilots with a great understanding of the game and perform well in most instances. We'd all love to be these type of pilots, with a seemingly limitless bank balance, who dont have to rat/anom/plex ect to make money for ships. But the simple fact of the matter is not everyone can. Moaning about Isk makers because they cant roam ect is ridiculous, i personally had to spend a very long time making money to purchase a Dreadnaught for Fleet actions, on Fleet Battleships when the need came, and ofcourse my smaller HAC/Recon ect for roaming duties. But to moan and cry about the unfortunate people trying to make money so they can succeed in Ushra'Khan is very unfair. 11b claim to have issued a very narrow minded "demand" to the Ushra'Khan council, from what i can make out on this post 11b's terms and conditions in the alliance were "We will not be taking part in anything other than our routine Harassment of Providence and if you dont like it..... this is what happens" Im not normally a person who judges people too harshly, but i can honestly say as an impartial judge, that 11b is totally out of line with the damaging comments that have been posted in this thread. I have always looked at 11b as a "Black Sheep", they never open invite people and basically want to be left alone. Ushra'Khan's Alliance ticker is "UNITY", and i can tell you that isnt just coincidence, but it is the essence of the alliance on a whole. UK stick together, work together and will die together for the beliefs we hold dear. Not just on the alliance level either, as everyone has seen, the bonds of friendship with -A- and a few others show the colours of UK and i personally am proud to say they are honourable ones. 11b have, it seems to me, completely washed their hands of these colours and followed a path that goes in the opposite direction. I looked at the kills of 11b on our KB and thought "Wow, these guys know what they are doing, they catch people off guard and are very good at doing so" But what are the few ratter/miner/straggler deaths doing in the long run except making people more cautious? Im very sceptical in the statements made in regards to causing the collapse of alliances ect. Sapph and Karn are shaking the very foundations of Providence with our allies, and it is a good time for all as we now generally go un-opposed when we assemble for conquest. People who call UK Leeches for teaming with -A- are Morons, as there are a large number of very strong alliances in providence who through the sheer weight of numbers would make times very very hard for UK alone. We go hand in hand as every smart alliance would, and want nothing but the freedom of slaves, an end to the tyranny of CVA and a stronger more prosperous alliance for every deserving Ushra'Khan Member. I was always told, Never crap in your own back yard. Family is family, and you just crapped in ours. Goodbye MadBombers. o/
Conlin Gallente Mad Bombers	Posted - 2010.03.07 08:01:00 - [97] Simple facts are ...... 1. 11b had an agreement from day 1 from UK leadership ,and both sides held to that agreement . Then sapphrine returned after a long break whilst Karn upheld the agreement during his absence . In fact Karn was overly impressed by our success's and wanted us to continue in our strategy . Sapph returns and negates the agreement telling 11B leadership we contribute nothing if we dont do cta's .His way or the highway . A kick in the teeth right there !! 2. UK has none or very little industry , you just need to visit V2 their current home system to testify that , which is odd as last year we recruited a heavily industrialised corp for such a reason . 3. This was a rp response , which a lot of UK forget . We didnt steal ,or giveaway any trade secrets when we decided to leave , so the response we got we considered ott , as quite a lot of the new UK have a lot to be ashamed off . 4. Unity ...... orders were given for UK pilots to live there , to secure it , make it a safe haven . After a day the headless chicken stormed onwards forgetting Unity and Providence duly set up numerous bubbles and took out services . Leaving it a safe haven for Provi who duly killed many UK. 5. Its to easy to argue we are doing this just to create more targets , but if you knew what went on in the background , and for how long then you'd begin to understand . 6. Have so many pilots from UK forgotten our old leader Kerth , and asked him why he left to be with us ?, or why a large amount of UK's more respected older pilots felt the need to leave after 3 years ?.The mere fact it took us a month to come to this decision would tell me theirs more to this than meets the eye , and the fact some jump to conclusions shows complacency . Finally saph , the door we firmly shut when we decided to leave , a decision as a group we all made , thanks for the offer of references , but thats already covered Ever wonder what kind of response we wouldve had if we had stolen or given away secrets
Kozmic Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.07 08:09:00 - [98] Just go already. Is that a Raven in belt 3-1?
VAGABONDR	Posted - 2010.03.07 09:18:00 - [99] In responce to Dalv's post, I would have quoted but it would require to much editing to make the points so I'll just address a few, you have some truth and some misconseptions in your post.. you state that UK has moved from a guerilla only alliance into a multifunction alliance, if this is true then to keep it multi-funtion wouldn't you need to retain some of your guerilla tactics? (this is 11b).. You stated that 11b made unreasonable demands on alliance leadership when in fact from the start to gain our superior guerrila tactics corporation our original deal was to not participate in fleet cta's, not because we can't do them but because we don't enjoy them, simply put if you want the force you have to pay the price and since we didn't participate in the fleet cta's for the provi campaign in a conventional manner and the battles were won then it couldn't have cost the alliance anything for us to fight the way we did, in fact perhaps keeping the logistics ships and pilots moving to the battle for the reds may have helped in some small way? The issue didnt become a problem until newer members to UK complaigned that they didnt feel it was right for us to not participate and your alliance leader decided to force the issue with us. hence we made no demands other than to honor our original deal, in the end it wasnt honored and we left. you stated that 11b are superior solo, chuck norris kind of pilots that much is true but we have taken that to another level and can do that while flying in gang together allowing us to act as 1 larger force not just on our own. you stated that we are black sheep and didnt open our gangs to alliance, very true to a point, we didnt open our gangs because we use a different voice comm, we operate in a non standard fleet attitude and frankly the unknown gets your fleets killed. however if we saw a pilot flying be it alliance or just blue and they wanted to join gang we allowed it, openly passed out our comms info and only after flying with them did we decide if they could "fit" into our style of fighting without to much of a danger to our normal gang. Many pilot flew with us then and now that aren't holding 11b tags. Finally you stated we killed ratters and carebears and you dont know how much of a difference it makes ... well its true we did kill carebears of all sizes and shapes, what pilot looking for pewpew in carebear heaven didn't? In addition we also killed caps, hac fleets, frieghters, orcas and slews of non ratting fit bs's and if you would like I will be happy to pull up several just from my 3 months in 11b... so in recapping UK is trying to move on to bigger things at the cost of loosing there flexability... 11b are elitist pvpers that do thier own thing very well but will open up when asked...we didnt make demands other than to be honorable and continue on with the deal we lived under for a very long time and we did kill carebears in provi...lots and lots of them
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.07 11:44:00 - [100] Edited by: Butter Dog on 07/03/2010 11:49:43 Originally by: Conlin 2. UK has none or very little industry I stopped reading here. You are clueless. I've lost count of the amount of POS and reaction chains corps within the alliance are running. There was zero industrial activity when my corporation first joined, but now it is completely different story. My own corp is making an average of 15bn isk a month profit from our industrial activities. What do you think we're spending this on? Hulks and strip miners? Do you have any idea how expensive territorial warfare is? Do you even have the slightest idea how to function in New Eden outside of roaming in vagabond? You don't have a clue, do you. Just stick to what you're good at - and let those of us with a clue help the alliance achieve goals of any substance. As for your comments about 'the important people in the alliance have joined us' - are you on psychoactive drugs? Kerth is barely active, and the rest of your corporation are idiosycratic roamers who don't contribute to alliance goals. The fact of the matter is this - as soon as we REALLY started to hurt providence, you threw your toys out of the pram and ran away screaming 'no fair', because you were asked to contribute to our success in ways which actually mattered. How pathetic. ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Conlin Gallente Mad Bombers	Posted - 2010.03.07 12:00:00 - [101] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 07/03/2010 11:57:54 I stopped reading about there when I realised it was another handbag attack from Bitters
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.07 12:45:00 - [102] Originally by: Conlin Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 07/03/2010 11:57:54 I stopped reading about there when I realised it was another handbag attack from Bitters u mad? "Bringing Content to you 1 round of ammo at a time"
shanda captison The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.07 13:03:00 - [103] Shame you guys just had to go out in a big attention seeking emo rant, but I guess you couldn't resist having your 15 minutes. It's hard to understand but some people just can't cope with success I guess. v0v Provi will continue to burn. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie
Xyla Vulchanus Amarr Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.07 14:32:00 - [104] It is sad to see that Mad Bombers have sought to wage a very public war against their long-time brothers-in-arms. In doing so they are seeking to bring out the worst in U'K and utterly disgracing themselves in the process. In all honesty, such blatant lies are not worthy of our response. However, the truth is that 11B simply gave up. They couldn't cut it when the job got bigger. Yes, it is fun to roam around behind enemy lines and prey on the simple and ignorant in their Ravens and Hulks (and we all enjoy it) but if the alliance is serious about ending the barbarism of the slaver then we must hit them where it will hurt. And that is by relieving them of their systems, removing the veil of safety throughout Providence and in reducing the cash-streams of the slaver alliances. 11B wasn't interested in this because their true purpose is selfishness and padding their kill statistics (revelation for you: kill stats really don't mean much). Already we have seen threats in this thread that they will now be turning their guns on U'K pilots. The question is why? The answer; because it's the easy thing to do. They know our space, they know we are active and so we are the easiest prey to hunt now that neutrals and CVA pilots in Providence are rarer than a fair deal in Jita local. It matters not to them they this goes against their very ethos and ultimately will have no real impact. As sad as this all is, it is natural selection. U'K weren't going to carry 11B forever and of course they shouldn't receive special dispensation to avoid CTAs and leave their alliance-mates to fight and die on their behalf. Anyone who has an iota of self-respect or in any way wants to fight for the Matari cause against Amarrian oppression should stand with U'K. Stand against us if you dare. But don't, whatever you do, follow the examples of Genos and now 11B and become an embarrassingly misguided footnote in the annals of New Eden. U'K is growing and becoming more capable, the weak are being identified and moving on (see Dephar and Oh Yeah for past reference). 11B, I hope the true warriors of your membership see sense and come "home". For the rest, enjoy your new-found pointlessness. We Come For Our People (and your systems)
VAGABONDR	Posted - 2010.03.07 14:59:00 - [105] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 07/03/2010 11:57:54 Originally by: Conlin 2. UK has none or very little industry I stopped reading here. You are clueless. I've lost count of the amount of POS and reaction chains corps within the alliance are running. There was zero industrial activity when my corporation first joined, but now it is completely different story. My own corp is making an average of 15bn isk a month profit from our industrial activities. If your corp alone is making 15bn isk per month as stated why did UK leadership have to ask for donations to buy a large control tower? I am confused.... I don't recall seeing any one corp with enough moons rented to be clearing 15 billion isk a month from reactions while I looked at the list of available moons and what rent was paid on said moons even taking that to finished product levels from raw moon minerals. If per chance you are clearing 15 bil isk per month as you stated maybe Saph and other UK leaders need to find out why your corp is getting rich and they are going broke...
Algey The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.07 15:30:00 - [106] Edited by: Algey on 07/03/2010 15:30:47 I'm going to assume that you are a bit slow, however U'K has a very low tax rate and is just establishing an industrial base. It has not had time to build up the large reserves of isk required for all out warfare, so did what it has always done historically and asked for donations. That is a little different to going broke. As for questioning the incomes that corps / the alliance are starting to make, how do you think the increasing number of supercaps are starting to appear? For 11b, cheers guys, I don't want to get involved in this flamefest and I hope you find a new home somewhere that doesn't do CTA's or sov warfare.
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.07 15:31:00 - [107] Originally by: VAGABONDR Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 07/03/2010 11:57:54 Originally by: Conlin 2. UK has none or very little industry I stopped reading here. You are clueless. I've lost count of the amount of POS and reaction chains corps within the alliance are running. There was zero industrial activity when my corporation first joined, but now it is completely different story. My own corp is making an average of 15bn isk a month profit from our industrial activities. If your corp alone is making 15bn isk per month as stated why did UK leadership have to ask for donations to buy a large control tower? I am confused.... I don't recall seeing any one corp with enough moons rented to be clearing 15 billion isk a month from reactions while I looked at the list of available moons and what rent was paid on said moons even taking that to finished product levels from raw moon minerals. If per chance you are clearing 15 bil isk per month as you stated maybe Saph and other UK leaders need to find out why your corp is getting rich and they are going broke... What you need help understanding how to work with current market trends? also industry! = pos only "Bringing Content to you 1 round of ammo at a time"
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.07 15:40:00 - [108] Originally by: VAGABONDR If your corp alone is making 15bn isk per month as stated why did UK leadership have to ask for donations to buy a large control tower? I am confused.... Yes, you are confused. And it seems you have very little knowledge of how to generate ISK, or how alliance finances are managed. You also limit the term 'industry' to reactions. There has never been a donation drive to buy one control tower. How laughable, but thank you for once again proving how embarressignly out of touch you and your coporation really were. Corporate income is not the same as alliance income. I do not hand over the money my corporation makes to the alliance (well, not the great majority of it). The alliance has it's own revenue streams and own requirements, which are being met. What are we spending the corporate ISK on? Well, my corporation has a great benefits package- our pilots actually MAKE money when they lose ships in fleet warfare. This is one of the reasons we have (unlike your corp) such great participation in alliance fleet operations. The other thing we spend the money on are corp pooled dreads, supercarriers, and titans. Ships which benefit the wider alliance. We also fund large ISK reserves meaning that if we lose all our dreads, we can replace them the same day. All of these concepts are probably alien to you. But that is what makes the difference a useful corporation like ours, and a selfishly motivated and weak corporation such as your own. Put simply - you're just not as good as you think you are. ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Nooblog Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.07 15:44:00 - [109] it seems U'K have lost their way so much that participating in the daily activities which they once enjoyed has escaped them completely. I bow my head in shame as I watch the group tear itself apart, even at a time when they should be rejoicing. While change may be nice, removing all value of how you are defined, really just makes you no different and blend in with the rest of the piloteers in space. U'K is no longer unique and the more organizations who realize this, such as 11B, will further show how much the Ushra'Khan that once was, is simply just a group of war mongering halfwits. (OOC: Can this be moved to CAOD?)
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.07 15:48:00 - [110] Originally by: Nooblog (OOC: Can this be moved to CAOD?) (OOC: why, its entirely in character?) ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Mikella Ki'Theki	Posted - 2010.03.07 16:05:00 - [111] This thread delivers... 10/10
VAGABONDR	Posted - 2010.03.07 16:23:00 - [112] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: VAGABONDR If your corp alone is making 15bn isk per month as stated why did UK leadership have to ask for donations to buy a large control tower? I am confused.... Yes, you are confused. And it seems you have very little knowledge of how to generate ISK, or how alliance finances are managed. You also limit the term 'industry' to reactions. There has never been a donation drive to buy one control tower. How laughable, but thank you for once again proving how embarressignly out of touch you and your coporation really were. Ahh it must be you who are confused as you attacked conlin for him saying that UK had no alliance based industry and then claimed to make 15 bil a month from that industry, now when I call you out on it, you change your prospective to try and lecture me on how your corp generated revenue isn't from UK derived industry... So what your really saying is that you feel free to change the facts based on the point your trying to make? Thank you for letting yourself be made an example of. there was an active call in all alliance channels for a large control tower donation to be placed in a system UK was trying to snatch and grab, I am sure there are still honorable pilots of the brotherhood that will confirm this fact that still fly in UK and saw and heard the call for monetary support, unlike you they will not twist a fact to try and make thier point.
foksieloy Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.07 16:42:00 - [113] This makes me sad to no end. Brethren fighting each other over approach to eliminating slavers. Slaver comments in this thread are pure example of the fact that the slavers are the only ones benefiting from this. I am sad to see you leave 11b, even though some of the posts by some of your members here are really despicable. I hope it is just a overload of adrenaline and hurt feelings, and that they will realize that by attacking their former brothers will only result in the victory of the one they fought until now, the slavers. 11b fly safe, keep up at what you do best, and stop the venom of words. It never suited you to talk with your mouth, so talk with your guns. If you decide to talk at us, i will weep for your lost souls, for you have become that which you hate. _______________________ We come for our people!
Charney deGeoff Caldari Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.07 17:21:00 - [114] Originally by: foksieloy This makes me sad to no end. Brethren fighting each other over approach to eliminating slavers. Slaver comments in this thread are pure example of the fact that the slavers are the only ones benefiting from this. I am sad to see you leave 11b, even though some of the posts by some of your members here are really despicable. I hope it is just a overload of adrenaline and hurt feelings, and that they will realize that by attacking their former brothers will only result in the victory of the one they fought until now, the slavers. 11b fly safe, keep up at what you do best, and stop the venom of words. It never suited you to talk with your mouth, so talk with your guns. A voice of reason in this mess, thank you for posting this. I agree fully. And that's all I'm going to say about this.
Neu Bastian Minmatar Valklear Guard	Posted - 2010.03.07 17:27:00 - [115] U'K leadership allowing 11B's private fleets and ridiculing of alliance members was one of the things that made me leave with my corp. I'd much rather an eager rookie in a rifter ready to die for the fleet that a veteran who can't be bothered to undock unless he can stroke his ego with the kill. I'm for one I'm pleased that U'K is acting more like an organization and less than an aimless confederation of raiding pirates. Quote: Neu Bastian Valklear Guard - CEO
VAGABONDR	Posted - 2010.03.07 18:02:00 - [116] I agree it is a sad time, we flew beside our brothers that chose to fly beside us for many months and will miss the bonds of brotherhood that we enjoyed. Our post at the start of this thread was meant to be an eye opener, for how can one look at today and not try and see what tomorrow holds. The older more experienced pilots that have fought in many different campaigns under many different battle flags in thier piloting careers know to look at the future and what it may hold. What we saw after a month of discussion was typical mistakes in our opinion that have been made time and time again before not by Uk but by many other alliances that have travelled the same kind of road. It may have been harsh is spots but it was true from our viewpoint. Our post recieved an outcry and harsh things have been said by both sides, We have heard many times that over the many months that we fought, that our kills made no difference, our losses meant nothing, we heard everything from we were just cheap shot pilots that couldnt stand up in battle to we made no contribution at all just profiteers. Many false things have been said or twisted to suit the need of the poster. In reality we could have made the choice to shoot our brothers as many other corps have done when faced with the same situation, instead we felt the honorable thing to do was move our assets from the region and let time unfold the story. We have been accused of being weak for doing this, folding up and running when it got tough. We were givin a choice to fight saph's style or leave and we chose to leave, We didnt eat the young of our brother on the way out, we didnt strike out and hurt UK even though we had the means to do so, our only fault was trying to open the eyes of leaderships to tomorrow instead of looking at just today. Many took this as a sign to strike out and spoil the name of 11b, this won't happen as we will only speak the truth that can be backed up by provable fact. I agree it truely has become sad times and if UK feels its proper to keep swelling thier ranks with former slavers that have to do nothing more than say "ok we are on your side now" then 11b will feel the need to come back to provi at an appropriate time and I only hope and pray that our former brothers in arms understand why it must be done. For now I wish you all to fly safe and shed no tears
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.07 18:49:00 - [117] Edited by: Butter Dog on 07/03/2010 18:54:55 Originally by: VAGABONDR Ahh it must be you who are confused as you attacked conlin for him saying that UK had no alliance based industry and then claimed to make 15 bil a month from that industry, now when I call you out on it, you change your prospective to try and lecture me on how your corp generated revenue isn't from UK derived industry... So what your really saying is that you feel free to change the facts based on the point your trying to make? Are you actually being serious or is this a joke with a missing punchline? I'm lost for words. I'll make it really simple for you: * To wage territorial warfare you need POS, cap ships, supercaps, and plenty of replacement conventional ships * The alliance and individual corps manage their finances seperately * The alliance pays for POS infrastructure * Corps pay for caps, supercaps, replacement ships All of the above requires ISK. For the alliance to wage territorial war successfully, it needs income at both the alliance and corporate level. My corp earning 15bn ISK profit a month = increased capability at the alliance level to wage war, because we spend pretty much all of it on caps and supercaps. Originally by: VAGABONDR Many took this as a sign to strike out and spoil the name of 11b, this won't happen as we will only speak the truth that can be backed up by proveable fact. Er, no. You're the ones who put up this self-serving, immature transmission on Galnet. The responses you see are well deserved. As for 'proveable facts', anyone can view the public UK kill records, and make their own conclusions about who the really important coporations are in our alliance. It doesn't leave much to the imagination. ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
VAGABONDR	Posted - 2010.03.07 19:31:00 - [118] Edited by: VAGABONDR on 07/03/2010 19:32:27 Originally by: Butter Dog Are you actually being serious or is this a joke with a missing punchline? I'm lost for words. I'll make it really simple for you: * To wage territorial warfare you need POS, cap ships, supercaps, and plenty of replacement conventional ships * The alliance and individual corps manage their finances seperately * The alliance pays for POS infrastructure * Corps pay for caps, supercaps, replacement ships All of the above requires ISK. For the alliance to wage territorial war successfully, it needs income at both the alliance and corporate level. My corp earning 15bn ISK profit a month = increased capability at the alliance level to wage war, because we spend pretty much all of it on caps and supercaps. Once again you are trying vainly to befuddle the facts with a lengthy explanation of how things work, trying to cover your tracks, once you have been called out into the open and twist things to your own satisfaction... The simple fact was made that the "alliance" did not have a solid industry backbone. we don't care what your corp background is and frankly I find it funny that you are using this thread as a recruitment ad for your "great" corp. Personally if your corp has the membership it does 15 bil isk is laughable and not much of a testiment to your industrial/marketing expierence... Stick with the facts butter, your better off just stopping where you are as anyone reading this can see how shallow you are and the more you rant and give lessons the dumber you look.
VAGABONDR	Posted - 2010.03.07 20:37:00 - [119] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 07/03/2010 18:54:55 As for 'proveable facts', anyone can view the public UK kill records, and make their own conclusions about who the really important coporations are in our alliance. It doesn't leave much to the imagination. I wasnt going to comment on this but I just can't hold it back, why dont you tell us in your own words where the cut off line is on "really important corporation" to your alliance based on kb stats? I am sure your fellow alliance members would love to know if they rate in the really important or the not so important or even perhaps the not important at all spots. For the official UK spokesperson on COAD you sure have a funny way of making your current alliance members feel good about being in UK. Here is a free tip, all corporations are equally important to an alliance.
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.07 21:02:00 - [120] Quote: Here is a free tip, all corporations are equally important to an alliance clearly we wil be devisated by the lose of your isolated corperation ands its aktive none partisipation "Bringing Content to you 1 round of ammo at a time"
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.07 21:06:00 - [121] Edited by: Butter Dog on 07/03/2010 21:06:51 Originally by: VAGABONDR The simple fact was made that the "alliance" did not have a solid industry backbone. we don't care what your corp background is and frankly I find it funny that you are using this thread as a recruitment ad for your "great" corp. Thank you for clarifying that you do not understand that an alliance is a collection of individual corporations, each of which contributes to an overall war effort, or collective goal. And, that if those individual corporations have established significant industrial operations in our claimed space, that this is commonly referred to as 'alliance industry' (only individuals within corporations can anchor towers, run reactions, place buy/sell orders etc - there is no such thing as an independent entity called 'the alliance' which does that, however these corporations are all members of the same alliance, in space claimed by that alliance). What this quite simply means, is that corporations within our alliance run that industry, in a way which benefits the wider alliance by enabling the corporations to purchase capitals, replace losses, offer reimbursement etc. I find it genuinely remarkable that you fail to understand these simple points, but at the same time, I'm not supprised - the actions your corporation have taken provides clear evedence that you simply don't understand the bigger picture. Alliances ARE collections of individual corporations, who work together to achieve collective goals. It seems this simple logic is beyond your comprehension. Originally by: VAGABONDR Here is a free tip, all corporations are equally important to an alliance. hahahaha ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.07 22:09:00 - [122] Originally by: foksieloy This makes me sad to no end. Brethren fighting each other over approach to eliminating slavers. Slaver comments in this thread are pure example of the fact that the slavers are the only ones benefiting from this. I am sad to see you leave 11b, even though some of the posts by some of your members here are really despicable. I hope it is just a overload of adrenaline and hurt feelings, and that they will realize that by attacking their former brothers will only result in the victory of the one they fought until now, the slavers. 11b fly safe, keep up at what you do best, and stop the venom of words. It never suited you to talk with your mouth, so talk with your guns. If you decide to talk at us, i will weep for your lost souls, for you have become that which you hate. I feel sorry on so many levels. Primarily for not being a part of all that has happened over the last year and a half in the struggle for freedom. So if all I can do is to keep these words highlighted, may that be it. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
VAGABONDR	Posted - 2010.03.07 23:11:00 - [123] Just so butter doesnt confuse the topics of this mini thread inside the larger thread lets take a moment and recap: Conlin states that UK has little to no industry backbone as an alliance and can't afford to hold all the sov they have grabbed butter retorts with a lengthy(as normal) post that Uk is very strong his corp makes 15 billion a month in profit and the reactions are to numerous to count since his corp joined. vaga points out to butter than with the moons they hold (as he has seen the list and knows what rent they pay) there is no way, even taking raw mins to finished product to market he couldn't be profiting 15 bil isk per month. If he is then maybe he is holding back from the alliance coffers as they are almost always looking for isk. Butter responds (with a basic lecture on how to earn isk on a corp level) that I just don't understand his 15 bil a month doesnt come from moon minerals alone based on UK industry, they make money in all kinds of way, then shares the information that his corp is soooo good that they even buy capitals for his corp to share Vaga points out that butter has changed his story then and he should be ashamed for not sticking to one story. hence providing us all with the knowledge that butter will change facts to fit his point. butter then responds how in his first post it was uk alliance isk now its corp isk and I should know the difference between corp functions and alliance function(going into another vast lecture on how the isk system works with a war machine alliance) and states that his corp spends there 15 bil a month buying capitals for corp, hence helping the war effort vaga (thinks to himself ... hmm wonder how many capitals butter has had to replace I dont recall seeing many losses on the kb of capitals and they do share them amongst corp members) but vaga pushes on and shows butter once again how a changing story doesnt help his case and advises him to stop posting while he is ahead... but no. Butter responds yet again with another lesson on how things work and how all the isk has to be considered alliance industry, hence all the isk produced is considered for the alliance. Vaga thinks, gee thats four stories all about a rambling that had nothing to do with the initial point, "the alliance doesnt have the isk to support its sov holdings when the bills come do", but butter is covering his tracks on how to explain his statement that his corp makes a profit of 15 billion isk per month. In the meantime butter opens mouth and inserts foot by stating that some corps in alliance are more important than others.. Of course we(11b) arent important anymore we arent in the alliance. I do have to wonder what other members of others corps in UK think of that statement though. In closing butter, because thats what I am going to do as I have already raised two children and learned that you can't argue or reason with a child (they change their story to fit the arguements as well), I will just say thank you once again for allowing me to make an example of you. It gives everyone the benefit of knowing why people should always stick to known proveable facts when posting.
Nooblog Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.07 23:30:00 - [124] Ah yes... However, I can urinate further than the both of you put together. This is all that really matters. The lot of you warmongering fools have violence so entrenched into your tiny brains that civil discussion is impossible, even in the public eye. It's laughable.
VOMIT BURGER	Posted - 2010.03.08 01:41:00 - [125] Originally by: Nosenhojh wall of text so living in empire was hostile space for you? rand.
Black Necris Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.08 02:32:00 - [126] Originally by: VAGABONDR Edited by: VAGABONDR on 07/03/2010 23:20:20 nonesense spewing. You should really stop talking and either bring it on or go. "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."
Kelban Kevar Gallente The Order of Black Knights SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2010.03.08 03:26:00 - [127] looks at vid screen blinks a few time then laughs himself to death and has to clone jump back so 4 months after -a- pulls out im thinking uk losses all there space again giveing 1-70 odds buy in's at 500k
Xenea Rimon Lozera Riana	Posted - 2010.03.08 03:34:00 - [128] Originally by: Black Necris You fail to realize that the war against CVA is not over... and there are more important matters than securing a single system, even if it holds Unity station... like erradicating CVA entirely from Providence. Its simply STUPID to claim UK betrayed their ideals, what are we doing as we speak? we are removing the most known Amarr loyalist alliance from their "reclaimed" space! what is this fight all about from day one? liberating the slaves and killing the slavers... and what are we doing?. I just feel sorry for those that are caught between this move. Remember Maggot's passionate contempt for CVA when she utilized drunkards and piggies to win at all costs? At that point, UK held the higher moral ground. Now, all things considered, I do not see where UK can make that argument. Just some thoughts from someone who became disillusioned with the other side after, much like Conlin became with his. Does UK come for their people or their proletariat? As Lord God wills it, so it shall be.
NEMESIS SIN Method In Khaos	Posted - 2010.03.08 03:39:00 - [129] Oh, excuse me. I was looking for the bathroom.
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.08 07:59:00 - [130] Originally by: VAGABONDR bizarre nonsense Firstly, there is a difference between someone 'changing' their story (which I have not), and you just not understanding it in the first place. Secondly, shared capitals are corp owned, personal caps are not. I know which one ownership model corps tend to operate, and which ownership model weaker corps with few capital ships tend to use. So no, we didn't go from 'sharing capitals' to 'owning multiple supercaps' - we have always pooled our capitals and given them to any willing pilot. Our supercapitals are no secret, plenty of people have enjoyed the taxi service, including members of your own corporation. What part of what I say are you doubting? Or are you just floundering around trying to look relevant? ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.08 09:50:00 - [131] 11b leadership, particularly whoever is feeding conlin his lines, kindly think carefully if you'd like to continue making up lies that you weren't offered options on how to proceed in u'k. I had a number of very productive discussions with some of your leadership on the matter in fact. Did I want you to show to CTA? yes. Would I have let you in without the agreement you would on my watch? No. But you were there when you were there so we work with what you have. Your worth was based, by yourselves and by me on your ability to act as an insurgent force behind enemy lines. We all agree on that. The last conversation I had with your leadership gave you an option to play to your strengths and compromised along those lines. Your response was to throw it back in our face and reset us. For those in 11b that haven't seen the relevant bit of log, I present you with the following :) [ 2010.02.27 18:09:56 ] Sapphrine > any corp in u'k with a pass to this element of space holding is going to be considered as having preferential treatment unless their benefit is defined, communicated and accepted [ 2010.02.27 18:10:33 ] Sapphrine > I accept that 11b have a benefit, i question if it is a benefit that others can't also provide whilst being more flexible in regard to fleet operations [ 2010.02.27 18:11:09 ] Sapphrine > and if 11b want to take a pass on fleet ops i need to have some way to target their prowess in suppression / interdiction rather than it just being what they feel like shooting / interdicting [ 2010.02.27 18:11:53 ] Sapphrine > equally, if 11b are willing to show for CTA's in some situations and are willing to work broadly towards our goals militarily that is also an avenue to look at [ 2010.02.27 18:12:04 ] Sapphrine > i don't know how decisions are made in 11b [ 2010.02.27 18:12:10 ] Pylse > See here we're getting to the interesting bit [ 2010.02.27 18:12:25 ] Sapphrine > but take those thoughts back to the corp decision making process and come back with options is my intention here [ 2010.02.27 18:12:44 ] Pylse > Well we already discussed a lot [ 2010.02.27 18:12:53 ] Sapphrine > fair enough [ 2010.02.27 18:12:56 ] Pylse > So we know what we are willing to compromise on, for the most part [ 2010.02.27 18:12:58 ] Pylse > the deal is [ 2010.02.27 18:13:09 ] Pylse > the alliance warfare part, cta's, the necessities of holding space etc [ 2010.02.27 18:13:15 ] Pylse > this is what 11b did NOT sign up for [ 2010.02.27 18:13:46 ] Pylse > And it's what we've been communicating (or atleast felt we have been communicating as it clearly has not come all the way to some people) that we are not interested in either [ 2010.02.27 18:14:12 ] Pylse > So when U'K decide to this, it is a decision made outside us [ 2010.02.27 18:14:17 ] Pylse > this we're fine with [ 2010.02.27 18:14:23 ] Pylse > we don't want to police alliance calls [ 2010.02.27 18:14:32 ] Pylse > but we wish to determine for ourselves what the alliance can include us in [ 2010.02.27 18:14:45 ] Pylse > Capturing space, through cta's and shooting poses and all that [ 2010.02.27 18:14:52 ] Pylse > isn't something we will be included in [ 2010.02.27 18:15:11 ] Pylse > Anything we bring to alliance warfare will be through the interdiction and roaming etc you listed in the beginning [ 2010.02.27 18:15:18 ] Pylse > that's what we are all about [ 2010.02.27 18:15:51 ] Pylse > So the only real issue to determine is if this is a solid enough base for us to be part of U'K or not, if it isn't then there's not a lot we want to do [ 2010.02.27 18:16:11 ] Pylse > We're not really interested in changing our style [ 2010.02.27 18:16:14 ] Pylse > our identity [ 2010.02.27 18:16:21 ] Sapphrine > ok I can see that [ 2010.02.27 18:16:45 ] Sapphrine > equally i see that you wish to make that decision on a corp level as to what they're prepared to get involved in [ 2010.02.27 18:17:02 ] Pylse > actually we let this be decided on a pilot level
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.08 09:56:00 - [132] [ 2010.02.27 18:17:13 ] Pylse > some guys, like myself dookes conlin occationally do cta's and fleet stuff [ 2010.02.27 18:17:18 ] Pylse > but some guys don't want that at all [ 2010.02.27 18:17:26 ] Pylse > this freedom we consider paramount [ 2010.02.27 18:17:56 ] Sapphrine > so we get to the interdiction / skirmish element. atm if i was to look at the operations side / anywhere, i've got no way of knowing where you guys are focused. equally, i have no way of asking you where to focus [ 2010.02.27 18:18:30 ] Pylse > Well we've so far to the best of our ability and also from chatting with karn tried to work this out [ 2010.02.27 18:18:34 ] Sapphrine > so if we leave 11b at option cta's rather than mandatory, i need to have some other benefit to the alliance [ 2010.02.27 18:18:38 ] Pylse > We attempt to hit places where we can have fun [ 2010.02.27 18:18:50 ] Pylse > but also where it will be beneficial to hit [ 2010.02.27 18:19:09 ] Pylse > I can understand your need to make up for that [ 2010.02.27 18:19:24 ] Sapphrine > i need to be able to target you guys on things [ 2010.02.27 18:19:41 ] Pylse > very well [ 2010.02.27 18:19:48 ] Pylse > Then i will bring the result of this to the guys [ 2010.02.27 18:19:54 ] Pylse > they will then decide [ 2010.02.27 18:19:59 ] Sapphrine > and i need to know that your guys are actually willing to commit on that rather than just going where people feel like going [ 2010.02.27 18:20:04 ] Sapphrine > equally though [ 2010.02.27 18:20:16 ] Pylse > I will inform them of both these things
Conlin Gallente Mad Bombers	Posted - 2010.03.08 12:05:00 - [133] This is IGS and not the appropriate place for chatlogs Sapphrine , you of all ppl should know better . "If" , 11B leadership wish to discuss this further l,m sure they will be in touch and decide for themselves . After a brief inspection of those chatlogs , it seems to be a very small carefully chosen copy . Copying & pasting chatlogs onto the Eve forums as you know is frowned upon , as they can be doctored , and admin get a tad annoyed .
Kade Jeekin Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2010.03.08 12:31:00 - [134] I will say to Mad Bombers the same as what I said to the other corporations who left Ushra'Khan due to strategical differences (Wings of Maak, TRIAD, Valklear Guard): Our paths may have diverged but our goals remain the same. The liberation of all who are enslaved. Ushra'Khan chooses its own path, you yours. Diversity is the nature of freedom. This should not make us enemies but if it must be so, then so be it. Fly Free --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.08 12:58:00 - [135] Edited by: Butter Dog on 08/03/2010 12:58:21 Originally by: Conlin This is IGS and not the appropriate place for chatlogs Sapphrine , you of all ppl should know better . "If" , 11B leadership wish to discuss this further l,m sure they will be in touch and decide for themselves . After a brief inspection of those chatlogs , it seems to be a very small carefully chosen copy . Copying & pasting chatlogs onto the Eve forums as you know is frowned upon , as they can be doctored , and admin get a tad annoyed . Of course it is a select cut and paste of chatlogs, it contains the most important parts and none of us need to read through reams of irrlevant data. Face facts - we've called you out, you look like fools, and you're headed for nothing but irrelvance and obscurity. Enjoy. ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Ohh Yeah Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.03.08 13:55:00 - [136] Originally by: Sapphrine Originally by: Ohh Yeah A respectable response from Sapphrine. Just try to stay inside the POS shields in the future m8. no. because unlike you i'll make a more commited response to my entity instead of making pot shots over insignificant things. Well done on killing me in a Cerberus, I'm sure u'k as an entity will grind down and stop as a result. When you're putting the commitment and effort that all our command staff do into making U'K what it is along with our pilots then you can make snipes about people making mistakes. Otherwise, find something constructive to do with your time :) I was just joking, but by all means do cry about it. I found your response very entertaining and full of bitter.
VAGABONDR	Posted - 2010.03.08 14:34:00 - [137] Originally by: Sapphrine [ 2010.02.27 18:19:24 ] Sapphrine > i need to be able to target you guys on things [ 2010.02.27 18:19:41 ] Pylse > very well [ 2010.02.27 18:19:48 ] Pylse > Then i will bring the result of this to the guys [ 2010.02.27 18:19:54 ] Pylse > they will then decide . That was the bottom line wasn't it. Saph felt the need to tell us where to operate, thank you for providing the chat log. We all recieved the message loud and clear and decided it wouldn't work because of the reasons below: A: Telling a small group on what gate to sit in what system works for the first couple of kills then they bring a blob and we are done for the day, We arent interdicting next door to a 600 man back-up fleet. B: our ability to know how to read interdiction routes and since we have lived with the enemy for months on end gives us the option of knowing when they stop using route a go to route b, staying on a gate doesnt make that possible, we have to be mobile. C: Since the majority of our corp doesn't operate in your tz , our participation is very limited in the first place so we have to be even more choosey about our operation than normal. D: It would require us to be on your fleet comms that to put it mildly are horrible, We don't feel the need to listen to endless miles of dribble or be screamed at and called idiots, frankly we are all experienced pilots and to listen to that kind of comms in a battle situation is something 11b just wont put up with. E; do to our hidden logistics, We know what areas to operate in and through and how to get there, without that knowledge or experience you couldnt make a justifiable decision on how best to use our forces. Those logistics are put into place days before or even months before we operate in an area so a last minute "go interdict here" wouldn't work. Many have said they can't see the benefit that 11b made during cta's, well thats understandable when you jb or titan bridge to your target area and dont travel gate to gate, but anyone flying through ervk, ul- or br- during the campaign for d-g could easily see the wrecks that piled up. 11B doesnt force CTA participation on its members because we live under a CTA every day, we lived in enemy space and killed there daily. It finally boiled down to a trust issue saph, if you were not willing to live with an agreement that brought us to UK in the first place, was upheld by every other leader since the agreement went into place, then how could we trust you to not tell us next week "ok get in your caps you have to be under a approved fleet fc now and lord makk needs you". So the bitter's can rant and the newer pilot can applaud but in the end you know and every other experienced pilot of UK knows it will hurt you in the end to not have 11b killing and working for the alliance in the end.
Kozmic Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.08 14:42:00 - [138] Once, during my travels, I chanced upon the remains of an ancient hull of unknown design. Nothing much remained except a few pages from an ancient book by somebody named "-- K. Jerome" - possibly a holy book of an extinct civilization. Among other things, it contained the following words of wisdom: "This is an imperfect world of joy and sorrow mingled." I'm sad to see my former brothers in 11B do not realize that sometimes, sacrifice is necessary. They have chosen a path of selfishness and egoism. Nevertheless, I wish them well - for their leaving made our alliance even stronger and more united. Unity!
Dante Karaal Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.08 14:45:00 - [139] *Dante glances at the recent GalNet broadcast and chuckles. Classy leaving post boys, unintelligible as ever - I don't think I can bring myself to even find this offensive it's so myopic. Anyone who has second thoughts about this ridiculous group statement (did you write it by committee? ) and still considers themselves to be Ushra'khan when the dust has settled should get in touch, I suppose. In the meantime have fun in Etherium Reach. I only hold grudges for slavers.
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.08 15:37:00 - [140] Edited by: Butter Dog on 08/03/2010 15:37:34 Originally by: VAGABONDR UK knows it will hurt you in the end to not have 11b killing and working for the alliance. Well according to you, we are the new Providence overlords, so what possible use would we have for a corp who just does their own thing randomly, whenever they feel like it? A new pilot in a tackle rifter who turns up to CTA's does more to contribute to alliance goals than your entire corp. ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Lord Makk Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.08 15:42:00 - [141] Confirming I am an approved and experienced capital ship FC. My ops are win, we sit and talk **** instead of doing anything at all Really, go to whatever hell you have chosen to seek out, don't post anymore. I'm just waiting for you to show up near us tbh, we lack Bops targets now that sylph is no more. Oh and Conlin, instalock is non existant, its just you whom fail. But at least your GalNet trolling skills are better than your camp run skills. The Cerbmeister
Disv	Posted - 2010.03.08 16:15:00 - [142] Someone said it best.... Selfish and inconsiderate. It makes me laugh that people can be so utterly for themselves and not for the greater good. Its very clear that you are all very selfish pilots and want to do your own thing, I can promise you that even tho you are professional "Ratter hunters". you wont be missed :)
VAGABONDR	Posted - 2010.03.08 16:30:00 - [143] Originally by: Lord Makk Confirming I am an approved and experienced capital ship FC. My ops are win, we sit and talk ** instead of doing anything at all Really, go to whatever hell you have chosen to seek out, don't post anymore. I'm just waiting for you to show up near us tbh, we lack Bops targets now that sylph is no more. Oh and Conlin, instalock is non existant, its just you whom fail. But at least your GalNet trolling skills are better than your camp run skills. Yes you are approved but experienced... well I guess your more expeienced than say a new cap toon but don't toot your own horn cause your record as a cap ship fc isnt much to be spoken about in terms of succseful operations. I do fully agree with the next line " you sit around and talk ** instead of doing anything at all." What my post's hurt because they aren't flames or tooting my own horn so they don't give you ammo to flame, sorry... Your bops gangs, lets see, lets get inside info from one of my red spies or worse yet a set up trap by a side swapping red and drop our bops on them, while slapping ourselves on the back for being so great at what we do... go take some lessons fron DNS if you want to know how real bops work, if they will show you.
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.08 17:00:00 - [144] What I asked 11b to do is do what they'd been doing but allow the alliance to direct it. I also indicated that 11b leadership would need to be involved in the decision making process to ensure the goals were viable. Which bit of that makes you think you'd just get camped on a single gate? A corp that wants nothing to do with the alliance goals and is unwilling to work in that alliances framework has no place in that alliance. If the decision was come to amicably and you guys had decided to leave absolutely no one in leadership would have thought worse of 11b. People change, alliances change, not everything can remain the same, we all know that. What has happened in this thread was not just a corp leaving, its a corp riling at the fact that the alliance they were in changed and the terms of their involvement changed. You were unwilling to adapt and were very clear about it. We gave a compromise that was massively in your favour and would arguably have caused me headaches with the corps that do fully commit to holding our space. You were unwilling to take that. You could have left with grace, instead you leave looking like a collective child throwing its toys out of the pram. Would we be better off with 11b on side? yes. Will it really impinge on our ability to continue as an alliance? No chance. We'll adapt and cover the gap. It's hardly like finding roamers in u'k is a problem :)
zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.08 17:16:00 - [145] bye bye. ..oh.. one question, what was the point of this post? couldnt you just leave as part of the normal fluctuation. Is the bad blood spilling really beneficial to anyone but the slavers who watch this with interest? I am sad and disappointed. But i am not worried. recruiting -forum
Lord Makk Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.08 18:15:00 - [146] Why don't you come over and find out just how efficient our Bops gangs are? If you really think you'll even have a chance to shoot down the bridge ship, you are delusional. Much like the posting going on here that you were of any use, utterly delusional. You absorbed some of our best pilots and turned their heads with your elitism. Lets cut the crap, fly down to us if you dare, fly down and die. You'll find that theres far more competent pilots than you ever thought. Pr0 tip : Sapphrine alliance leader, best alliance leader.
VAGABONDR	Posted - 2010.03.08 18:25:00 - [147] Originally by: Lord Makk Why don't you come over and find out just how efficient our Bops gangs are? If you really think you'll even have a chance to shoot down the bridge ship, you are delusional. Much like the posting going on here that you were of any use, utterly delusional. You absorbed some of our best pilots and turned their heads with your elitism. Lets cut the crap, fly down to us if you dare, fly down and die. You'll find that theres far more competent pilots than you ever thought. Pr0 tip : Sapphrine alliance leader, best alliance leader. Is that the best you can do? what no more telling us how great of a cap fc you are, I really want to hear more about it, just how high above a nub cap pilot do you place yourself anyway?
Black Necris Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.08 18:43:00 - [148] Originally by: VAGABONDR Originally by: Lord Makk Why don't you come over and find out just how efficient our Bops gangs are? If you really think you'll even have a chance to shoot down the bridge ship, you are delusional. Much like the posting going on here that you were of any use, utterly delusional. You absorbed some of our best pilots and turned their heads with your elitism. Lets cut the crap, fly down to us if you dare, fly down and die. You'll find that theres far more competent pilots than you ever thought. Pr0 tip : Sapphrine alliance leader, best alliance leader. Is that the best you can do? what no more telling us how great of a cap fc you are, I really want to hear more about it, just how high above a nub cap pilot do you place yourself anyway? Are you aiming at becoming the next bitterdog? i think this thread had run its course, any more talk would result on people thinking that we are forum warriors, and we don't want such an elite force as mad bombers to be called that do we? All that has to be said had been said, now do we dance or don't? "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."
VAGABONDR	Posted - 2010.03.08 18:53:00 - [149] Originally by: Black NecrisLets cut the crap, fly down to us if you dare, fly down and die. You'll find that theres far more competent pilots than you ever thought. Are you aiming at becoming the next bitterdog? i think this thread had run its course, any more talk would result on people thinking that we are forum warriors, and we don't want such an elite force as mad bombers to be called that do we? All that has to be said had been said, now do we dance or don't?[/quote Slamming your own alliance mates? very nice alliance your turning into, glad we left when we did. As far as dancing goes, no fears as soon as we feel we have had an honorable amount of time for hostilities to begin and UK keeps taking on more and more slavers with no remorse, I am sure you will see our return. But I still want to hear from makk just how good a cap fc he feels he is?
Black Necris Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.08 19:03:00 - [150] Edited by: Black Necris on 08/03/2010 19:03:31 Originally by: VAGABONDR Originally by: Black Necris Lets cut the crap, fly down to us if you dare, fly down and die. You'll find that theres far more competent pilots than you ever thought. Are you aiming at becoming the next bitterdog? i think this thread had run its course, any more talk would result on people thinking that we are forum warriors, and we don't want such an elite force as mad bombers to be called that do we? All that has to be said had been said, now do we dance or don't? Slamming your own alliance mates? very nice alliance your turning into, glad we left when we did. As far as dancing goes, no fears as soon as we feel we have had an honorable amount of time for hostilities to begin and UK keeps taking on more and more slavers with no remorse, I am sure you will see our return. But I still want to hear from makk just how good a cap fc he feels he is? Lest just say that from my part i think the need for honorable time for hostilities is bull... On the other hand your trolling leaves much to desire, and you fail to put your money where your mouth is. First your representatives are silent here, which indicates to me that either this is a done deal for them and they had moved on or they decided to do the talk the way they know best. You are the only one still talking, but somehow i don't expect you to your corp spokesman. What i can tell you is that if you are ready to jump so are we, so leave the talk aside, and lest start the dance already. "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.08 19:39:00 - [151] Originally by: VAGABONDR Is that the best you can do? what no more telling us how great of a cap fc you are, I really want to hear more about it, just how high above a nub cap pilot do you place yourself anyway? Yes yes, come down in your vagabonds and cripple our alliance. I promise not to drop half a dozen supercarriers on your 4 man roaming gang, and I definately will not DD you for lulz. ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.08 19:40:00 - [152] Originally by: VAGABONDR Edited by: VAGABONDR on 07/03/2010 23:20:20 Just so butter doesnt confuse the topics of this mini thread inside the larger thread lets take a moment and recap: Conlin states that UK has little to no industry backbone as an alliance and can't afford to hold all the sov they have grabbed butter retorts with a lengthy(as normal) post that Uk is very strong his corp makes 15 billion a month in profit and the reactions are to numerous to count since his corp joined. vaga points out to butter that with the moons they hold (as he has seen the list and knows what rent they pay) there is no way, even taking raw mins to finished product to market he couldn't be profiting 15 bil isk per month. If he is then maybe he is holding back from the alliance coffers as they are almost always looking for isk. Butter responds (with a basic lecture on how to earn isk on a corp level) that I just don't understand his 15 bil a month doesnt come from moon minerals alone based on UK industry, they make money in all kinds of way, then shares the information that his corp is soooo good that they even buy capitals for his corp to share Vaga points out that butter has changed his story then and he should be ashamed for not sticking to one story. hence providing us all with the knowledge that butter will change facts to fit his point. butter then responds how in his first post it was uk alliance isk now its corp isk and I should know the difference between corp functions and alliance function(going into another vast lecture on how the isk system works with a war machine alliance) and states that his corp spends there 15 bil a month buying capitals for corp, hence helping the war effort vaga (thinks to himself ... hmm wonder how many capitals butter has had to replace I dont recall seeing many losses on the kb of capitals and they do share them amongst corp members) but vaga pushes on and shows butter once again how a changing story doesnt help his case and advises him to stop posting while he is ahead... but no. Butter responds yet again with another lesson on how things work and how all the isk has to be considered alliance industry, hence all the isk produced is considered for the alliance. Vaga thinks, gee thats four stories all about a rambling that had nothing to do with the initial point, "the alliance doesnt have the isk to support its sov holdings when the bills come do", but butter is covering his tracks on how to explain his statement that his corp makes a profit of 15 billion isk per month. In the meantime butter opens mouth and inserts foot by stating that some corps in alliance are more important than others.. Of course we(11b) arent important anymore we arent in the alliance. I do have to wonder what other members of others corps in UK think of that statement though. In closing butter, because thats what I am going to do as I have already raised two children and learned that you can't argue or reason with a child (they change their story to fit the arguements as well), I will just say thank you once again for allowing me to make an example of you. It gives everyone the benefit of knowing why people should always stick to known proveable facts when posting. and ps butter dont tell us you went from sharing cap to ordering multiple super caps all in one day? my god you are an isk making machine.... Probably going to get yelled at by my 2IC for this, but.... You're an idiot. We must all hang together or most assuredly we shall hang separately.
Lord Makk Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.09 01:15:00 - [153] Originally by: VAGABONDR Is that the best you can do? what no more telling us how great of a cap fc you are, I really want to hear more about it, just how high above a nub cap pilot do you place yourself anyway? On a whole cliffside above u. Now you've heard it, time for the final question..... U mad?
Karn Mithralia Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.09 02:25:00 - [154] Please, enough of the ****ing contest, this thread started bad and is now terrible. Take it to space.
UVPhoenix2 Gallente Brotherhood of Heart and Steel Iron Heart Brotherhood	Posted - 2010.03.09 03:59:00 - [155] Originally by: Karn Mithralia Please, enough of the ****ing contest, this thread started bad and is now terrible. Take it to space. hehe I know how you feel. Material of this nature affect us all in different ways. What you need to do is learn from this. And this is just my sig.
Ohh Yeah Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.03.10 18:45:00 - [156] Hahaha. This thread has kept me oh-so entertained. It seems rather apparent that when CVA is long gone and U'K has moved in, Provi will become an even better place to roam. Provibloc adapted to dealing with and catching reds over the course of what, 6 years? Hell, -A- isn't even that fantastic at defending their own space. If they were, Garmon wouldn't still be roaming HED in his Mimir. In my opinion, Ushra'khan will be even less reponsive to neutral and red threats, especially if the great CAPTAIN DIRKA isn't there to lead them into battle. But yes Butter, Im sure there's more than a few people that wouldn't mind you dropping a Titan on a roaming HAC gang (just ask Gelo Breen amirite?)
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.10 19:25:00 - [157] The thought of your roaming ~wolfpax~ truly terrifies me. ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Ravenariel Caldari BlazingAngels	Posted - 2010.03.10 23:16:00 - [158] (Takes the 'Late to the Party' Award) Mad Bombers were actually scarier to deal with than the supercap fleets. When intel reported they were on the move plans had to be changed and/or cancelled. The disruptions caused security holes while fleets had to re-ship and change tactics to fight the Bombers. I gather theres a lot of issues between the parties involved that I wont even pretend to understand or try to get in the middle of. I do however take exeption to ppl knocking them as not being useful in the provi campaign. I can say from personal experience The Mad Bombers are fustrating and devious opponents. They helped to effectively demoralize your enemy. Ok, so they didnt do CTAs and pickup a wrench to turn the cranks of your war machine. Instead they took the wrenches and helped break proviblocks war machines which made your fleets job easier. So they did support you just not in a direct way. Such fighters can be difficult to manage for some, maybe it was impossible...I dont know that. Good luck Mad Bombers and good fights! :respect:
Conlin Gallente Mad Bombers	Posted - 2010.03.11 18:23:00 - [159] Thankyou for the kind words Raven , they have been passed on
Van PokerAlho	Posted - 2010.03.11 18:32:00 - [160] Shame on UK, shame shame! When you fight for the freedom of others isks grow up inside your wallet and your guns fire with 1000% more effectiveness, greedy UK, you don't need friends and isk making! Now contract everything to me ASAP!
Grr Amarr Epitoth Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.26 13:34:00 - [161] Despite our rivalry Ushra'Khan is an alliance I used to respect. Removal of these mad bombers is a step back towards those times perhaps...
Conlin Gallente Mad Bombers	Posted - 2010.03.28 18:17:00 - [162] Originally by: Grr Despite our rivalry Ushra'Khan is an alliance I used to respect. Removal of these mad bombers is a step back towards those times perhaps... Regarding our rivalry , .... CVA was never an alliance worthy of respect , even when their removal from Providence was a step forwards . Ushra'khans recruitment of "some" CVA may help you in taking those steps forward my bitter little friend
Agent Cookie	Posted - 2010.06.02 23:04:00 - [163] in recent news: Mad Bombers have joined up with genos and co by joining the hydra alliance and are now actively supporting the slavers of CVA, with mutual positive standings set.
Tryptic Photon Gallente Mad Bombers HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.06.03 03:10:00 - [164] Originally by: Agent Cookie in recent news: Mad Bombers have joined up with genos and co by joining the hydra alliance In other news, nobody really cares about us any more, except apparently you.
Graelyn Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.06.03 07:27:00 - [165] However, you must admit, it makes your 6 page long thread seem pretty silly, and proves your detractors quite correct. And that's coming from a rather hardcore Amarrian loyalist. -------
Grr Amarr Epitoth Fleet Yards	Posted - 2010.06.03 12:14:00 - [166] Originally by: Conlin CVA was never an alliance worthy of respect , even when their removal from Providence was a step forwards . I can't believe CVA would have mad bombers set with a positive standing. They've been bitter pirates bent of destruction of Amarr assets and people since day one. Must be some mistake..
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.06.03 14:28:00 - [167] CVA have yet to approach U'K for blue standings, if that is any consolation ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.06.03 14:53:00 - [168] I bet you guys wish you hadn't kicked out Hamish. We would have done way more interesting things with your alliance
Xyla Vulchanus Amarr Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.06.04 20:15:00 - [169] Amusing. So now you have the Genos gankers running round hailing Amarr Victor in local whilst their new alliance-mates consider themselves anti-Amarrian, Minmatar freedom fighters. Hahahaha - just when I thought neither corp could become any more pathetic! (Xyla guides his Dramiel away from a Rifter being pursued by 6 Machariels, a Scimitar and a Falcon) We Come For Our People (and your systems)
Aria Jenneth Caldari Kumiho's Smile	Posted - 2010.06.04 20:38:00 - [170] Originally by: Xyla Vulchanus So now you have the Genos gankers running round hailing Amarr Victor in local whilst their new alliance-mates consider themselves anti-Amarrian, Minmatar freedom fighters. I suspect it's more that they've dropped the facade of being ideologically-oriented. In other words, they don't really care about the whole "slavery" issue, and probably haven't for some time: they're just out to kill you.
DirtyDirty88 Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.06.05 11:43:00 - [171] Spoken like a true defector. Ill let the guns neuts and webs of my mighty Bhaalgotn do the talking,
Kazzzi Amarr Iniquitous Technologies Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.06.06 22:48:00 - [172] The topic of this thread is now pirate cake
5kyscreamx Mad Bombers HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.06.07 09:03:00 - [173] welcome to the pwnzone =====
Snakester Caldari IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.06.08 09:52:00 - [174] Originally by: DirtyDirty88 Ill let the guns neuts and webs of my mighty Bhaalgotn do the talking, You can't even spell your ships name correctly..... i hardly believe you will be flying it any better. Sig removed, inappropriate link. ~Saint
Conlin Gallente Mad Bombers HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.06.08 17:01:00 - [175] Originally by: Xyla Vulchanus Amusing. So now you have the Genos gankers running round hailing Amarr Victor in local whilst their new alliance-mates consider themselves anti-Amarrian, Minmatar freedom fighters. Hahahaha - just when I thought neither corp could become any more pathetic! (Xyla guides his Dramiel away from a Rifter being pursued by 6 Machariels, a Scimitar and a Falcon) Amusing !! Being criticised by an ex provi . I think you will find my little ex cva friend , U'K has so many in their ranks ,Madbombers see you as a legitimate target . In my eyes CVA are still a legitimate target , whether they be blue with pink spots
Ottom Ephesianos Amarr Mirkur Draug'Tyr	Posted - 2010.06.08 21:31:00 - [176] Edited by: Ottom Ephesianos on 08/06/2010 21:35:17 I did not read this whole thread lucky me but I will share this in response to the defamations 11b is trying to bestow on the honorable Ushra'Khan alliance and leadership. When Unity Station was first lost to slavers it was being swarmed by pirates and neutrals who could care less for the freedoms of men. Ushra'Khan faded into the depths of space and came back stronger, more skilled, and with a will unparalled (not to mention hard won allies) and reclaimed not only the home station of one of the oldest imperial rebellion outposts in space faring history but countless others. To say the Ushra'Khan is wavering in conviction or directive is to say fine scotch is better from the late 1990's than the early 1970's. Don't even try it. -Ottom out --------------------------------- "Trust me I've done this before." Elite R. Ephesianos ---------------------------------
Conlin Gallente Mad Bombers HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.06.09 11:38:00 - [177] Originally by: Ottom Ephesianos Edited by: Ottom Ephesianos on 08/06/2010 21:35:17 I did not read this whole thread lucky me but I will share this in response to the defamations 11b is trying to bestow on the honorable Ushra'Khan alliance and leadership. When Unity Station was first lost to slavers it was being swarmed by pirates and neutrals who could care less for the freedoms of men. Ushra'Khan faded into the depths of space and came back stronger, more skilled, and with a will unparalled (not to mention hard won allies) and reclaimed not only the home station of one of the oldest imperial rebellion outposts in space faring history but countless others. To say the Ushra'Khan is wavering in conviction or directive is to say fine scotch is better from the late 1990's than the early 1970's. Don't even try it. -Ottom out First of ...... the time you speak of ........ I know , I was there !!.Which bolsters our opinions on this topic vastly , seeing as 90% of our critics weren't We never questioned the retaking of Providence , we questioned the taking of its detritis into its ranks , to help retake it . Maybe you should've read this thread . As fer a guid whisky , ahl'l gie ye a guid run fer yer money oni day , an depending on the whisky . A 1990 can be better than a 1970
Grr Amarr Epitoth Fleet Yards	Posted - 2010.06.09 12:18:00 - [178] Originally by: Conlin Originally by: Xyla Vulchanus Amusing. So now you have the Genos gankers running round hailing Amarr Victor in local whilst their new alliance-mates consider themselves anti-Amarrian, Minmatar freedom fighters. Hahahaha - just when I thought neither corp could become any more pathetic! (Xyla guides his Dramiel away from a Rifter being pursued by 6 Machariels, a Scimitar and a Falcon) Amusing !! Being criticised by an ex provi . I think you will find my little ex cva friend , U'K has so many in their ranks ,Madbombers see you as a legitimate target . In my eyes CVA are still a legitimate target , whether they be blue with pink spots I should point out that Xyla is a corp thief and did not leave, but was removed. Surprised actually your not best of friends both being bitter obnoxious little grunts who can't be trusted. As for CVA, according to diplomats they still maintain Hydra Reloaded is not KOS and have them blue even while Conlin happily states here he considers them targets. Very disappointing.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.06.09 12:40:00 - [179] Originally by: Grr As for CVA, according to diplomats they still maintain Hydra Reloaded is not KOS and have them blue even while Conlin happily states here he considers them targets. Very disappointing. * The Cosmopolite chuckles... Disappointing it may be but are you really surprised? Or did you share in Garreck's delusion that these people would really behave according to the CVA's dictates when it comes to rules of engagement? The CVA is fast becoming a lunatic alliance, having already become an apostate alliance. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Shiroi Okami Gallente Mad Bombers HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.06.09 14:11:00 - [180] Originally by: Grr Originally by: Conlin Originally by: Xyla Vulchanus Amusing. So now you have the Genos gankers running round hailing Amarr Victor in local whilst their new alliance-mates consider themselves anti-Amarrian, Minmatar freedom fighters. Hahahaha - just when I thought neither corp could become any more pathetic! (Xyla guides his Dramiel away from a Rifter being pursued by 6 Machariels, a Scimitar and a Falcon) Amusing !! Being criticised by an ex provi . I think you will find my little ex cva friend , U'K has so many in their ranks ,Madbombers see you as a legitimate target . In my eyes CVA are still a legitimate target , whether they be blue with pink spots I should point out that Xyla is a corp thief and did not leave, but was removed. Surprised actually your not best of friends both being bitter obnoxious little grunts who can't be trusted. As for CVA, according to diplomats they still maintain Hydra Reloaded is not KOS and have them blue even while Conlin happily states here he considers them targets. Very disappointing. Why aren't you in CVA anymore Grr? As for Conlin, I'm rather sure Aralis and most of the CVA big wigs would like to have at fisticuffs with old uncle Conlin It was amusing when Calypso's Wrath and Aralis noticed each other in one of the HYDRA channels, despite being blue you could almost smell their desire to shoot holes in each other. Old habits.....
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.09 14:45:00 - [181] Conlin has passion and a killer instinct. Both are desireable traits. He's also a bit of a hard-head, but so long as he's a member in a friendly alliance, that makes him "our" hard-head and we'll love him for it.
Kade Jeekin Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2010.06.09 14:49:00 - [182] CVA wish to reclaim Providence to reinstitute their version of law and order, and grow fat on the proceeds. Hydra want CVA to reclaim Providence so that they can return to preying on the lawful and orderly, and feast on the weak. A match made in Amarrian heaven. Quote: Kinda'Shujaa - the Ushra'Khan Faction Warfare Detachment
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.06.09 15:24:00 - [183] Originally by: Kade Jeekin CVA wish to reclaim Providence to reinstitute their version of law and order, and grow fat on the proceeds. Hydra want CVA to reclaim Providence so that they can return to preying on the lawful and orderly, and feast on the weak. A match made in Amarrian heaven. Succinct. Insightful. Accurate. Bravo! The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Black Necris Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.06.09 16:01:00 - [184] ahahhahah mad bombers... ahhahaha blue to hahahahhahah cva.... ahahhahaha omg... so funny.. ahhahahahhahaha but but.... but ahahha but conlin... wtf.... and it us who strayed from the path? ahahhahahhaa omg ahhh you guys... thanks for the laughs "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."
Xyla Vulchanus Amarr Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.06.09 18:58:00 - [185] Originally by: Conlin Originally by: Xyla Vulchanus Amusing. So now you have the Genos gankers running round hailing Amarr Victor in local whilst their new alliance-mates consider themselves anti-Amarrian, Minmatar freedom fighters. Hahahaha - just when I thought neither corp could become any more pathetic! (Xyla guides his Dramiel away from a Rifter being pursued by 6 Machariels, a Scimitar and a Falcon) Amusing !! Being criticised by an ex provi . I think you will find my little ex cva friend , U'K has so many in their ranks ,Madbombers see you as a legitimate target . In my eyes CVA are still a legitimate target , whether they be blue with pink spots Conlin, that is a ridiculous statement to make. Yes I was in CVA for 4 months shortly after taking to the spaceways but I saw the light and joined U'K because of what it stood for. I have been in U'K for 7 months now and was at almost every CTA during that time (unlike you) so I'm not sure what your point is. I have my ethics and I chose my side due to seeing the truth of the arrogance, greed and lies of CVA. You left U'K because you are more interested in easy killing and because CTAs were just too much like hard work. Speaking of defectors. I will have to respond to the libel of the great Admiral Grr who lies so eloquently he might actually even believe them himself. Once I saw the moribund and morally bankrupt core of CVA for what it was, I was compelled to leave, but not before damaging the mining capabilities and resources of Epitoth Guard. I regard this as a noble act and although a mere inconvenience to the corp, it would have been remiss of me not to take the opportunity to cause them some disruption. There was not a huge amount it terms of financial reward in it for me, the motivation for my actions was certainly not isk. You say I was discovered and kicked? Haha, your security is so bad I had to drop roles and hang around for two days trying to get you to notice what I'd done. I then left to pursue greener pastures. Delude yourself any which way you can Admiral, it seems to work for Aralis (and mores the pity for Conlin too it seems). We Come For Our People (and your systems)
Grr Amarr Epitoth Fleet Yards	Posted - 2010.06.09 19:10:00 - [186] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Originally by: Grr As for CVA, according to diplomats they still maintain Hydra Reloaded is not KOS and have them blue even while Conlin happily states here he considers them targets. Very disappointing. * The Cosmopolite chuckles... Disappointing it may be but are you really surprised? Or did you share in Garreck's delusion that these people would really behave according to the CVA's dictates when it comes to rules of engagement? The CVA is fast becoming a lunatic alliance, having already become an apostate alliance. The Cosmopolite It's a very confusing time when I find myself agreeing with The Cosmopolite. As for Garreck, he's just sticking to the party line and doing a dam fine job of it too as you would expect. I'm certain he is far from delusional, in fact he's probably one of the most sensible people I know. Originally by: Shiroi Okami Why aren't you in CVA anymore Grr? I wanted to help further the Empires goals while sticking to a certain set of standards. CVA is still a fine nullsec alliance with many good people, it does not let an Amarr loyalist do that very easily. The standards have of course as this most recent example shows dropped significantly and any real loyalty to the Empire went out of the window years ago. I had hoped to fix that in my few short years in the alliance but it seems I have failed.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.06.09 19:28:00 - [187] Originally by: Grr Originally by: The Cosmopolite Originally by: Grr As for CVA, according to diplomats they still maintain Hydra Reloaded is not KOS and have them blue even while Conlin happily states here he considers them targets. Very disappointing. * The Cosmopolite chuckles... Disappointing it may be but are you really surprised? Or did you share in Garreck's delusion that these people would really behave according to the CVA's dictates when it comes to rules of engagement? The CVA is fast becoming a lunatic alliance, having already become an apostate alliance. The Cosmopolite It's a very confusing time when I find myself agreeing with The Cosmopolite. My word, that is one for the journal. When it comes to Garreck, he has the heart of a noble warrior but his mind needs to be purged of the stupefying cod-theological vapours he has for too long inhaled at the prescription of the quacks who run the CVA. I am willing to make the effort in his regard. Just as I am willing to guide you, Grr, through the mists of confusion amidst which you very understandably find yourself at sea. In your case, and in the case of the great-hearted Garreck, the true, penetrating light of anarchy can act as an ideological pharos bringing your troubled minds to the safe shores of reason, after too long a journey on the raging seas of irrationality and superstition. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Conlin Gallente Mad Bombers HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.06.10 05:49:00 - [188] Edited by: Conlin on 10/06/2010 05:54:37 Heh !! I see Xyla , a thief gloating , still ex CVA whether he was kicked or dropped roles , but now a U'K member . This is exactly the kind of pilot we did our best not to recruit , and was very disappointed when the ranks were filled with others of similar disabilities . I respected what CVA did with Providence , not how they took it , but certainly the hard work they put in ,to make it what it was , and when someone of little principles such as Xyla is removed from such an alliance . Then the question has to be asked why was he accepted into U'K who "used" to be proud of its principles . Xyla !! .... your misconceptions know no bounds . You compare a mere 7 months to my 3 years of service in U'K ? Grr , you mean well , but you do come across as an old fishwife at times . Garreck I can respect as an old foe on the battlefield , but l'd still shoot him , and l love him for it I dont do grey areas , what you see is what you get with your Uncle Con , and one day youl'l learn to understand that Grr . Dont take your failures out on us please I've been away for a few months , and when l questioned my corp mates re: Hydra & blue to CVA they hadn't realised So when I say I will shoot CVA , trust me , l will , that includes those hiding away in U'K By the way anymore whisky critics ?
Lord Makk Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.06.10 10:18:00 - [189] Keep hunting our weak. It will eventually make them strong, or it will make them leave. Both are desirable outcomes for us. Atm no one does us a better favour than you.
Lightzy Cult of the Spinning Meat	Posted - 2010.06.10 15:25:00 - [190] Conlin still seems to lack how to write proper intergalactic text, making his own grammar to communicate. Didn't they teach anything at gallente school? Learn to use commas and dots properly my child.
Xyla Vulchanus Amarr Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.06.10 18:33:00 - [191] Edited by: Xyla Vulchanus on 10/06/2010 18:34:54 Originally by: Conlin Edited by: Conlin on 10/06/2010 06:10:04 Edited by: Conlin on 10/06/2010 05:54:37 Heh !! I see Xyla , a thief gloating , still ex CVA whether he was kicked or dropped roles , but now a U'K member . This is exactly the kind of pilot we did our best not to recruit , and was very disappointed when the ranks were filled with others of similar disabilities . I respected what CVA did with Providence , not how they took it , but certainly the hard work they put in ,to make it what it was , and when someone of little principles such as Xyla is removed from such an alliance . Then the question has to be asked why was he accepted into U'K who "used" to be proud of its principles . Xyla !! .... your misconceptions know no bounds . You compare a mere 7 months to my 3 years of service in U'K ? Conlin, I seem to have underestimated your lack of intelligence somewhat, so I will clarify. First, I was not gloating, I did not start the topic but I was compelled to respond to a lie. Why would U'K not want to recruit active, skilled pilots who pull their weight in CTAs or are equally happy roaming in gangs or solo (like me)? You seem to be getting yourself all confused about the difference between someone who swaps sides on a principle and someone who dumps their principles to swap to the winning side. Please try to grasp the fact that I joined U'K for one reason, to end slavery and oppression and this was before any attack on CVA sovereignty was made. How can you talk of principles when you have none of your own? You think sabotage is worse than murder, ganking and depriving unsuspecting pilots of millions of isk? You are a hypocrite as much as a fool - you criticise me for leaving one alliance for another who they are at war with but you have done exactly the same (more than once), and incidentally I did not compare 3 years of service to that of 7 months at all - but now you mention it, I would think a three year old member of an alliance might have learnt the importance of attending CTAs, but then some never learn I guess. If being deluded is your thing then yes CVA is the place for you Conlin, brothers in arms with Genos. Amarr Victor to you both (as they say in Misaba). We Come For Our People (and your systems)
Shiroi Okami Gallente Mad Bombers HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.06.11 03:46:00 - [192] Edited by: Shiroi Okami on 11/06/2010 03:46:58 Originally by: Lightzy Conlin still seems to lack how to write proper intergalactic text, making his own grammar to communicate. Didn't they teach anything at gallente school? Learn to use commas and dots properly my child. 'Seems to lack how to write' is terrible grammar, it doesn't even make sense. If you're going to try and act superior and point out other people's mistakes, don't make those same mistakes yourself. The correct sentence structure would be thus: 'Conlin seems to lack the ability to write in proper intergalactic text,' etc. Of course I myself think Conlin's writing style is awesome
Black Necris Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.06.11 04:16:00 - [193] Ohh how low the mighty ones have fallen! This day your Lordship Black Necris, proud leader of the New and Improved Church of Providence, points to the downfall of a once great pilot, a pilot who used to garnish the respect of many, and now its just mocked as an synonym of hypocrisy. Here i present you Conlin the Mighty, once a wolf fighting for the freedom of the sons of Matar, who in fist of insanity accused his home and former friends of treason to their ideals, leaving them, not before vowing to show us the true spirit of Ushra Khan. Here i present you Conlin, now a Mad Bomber, sharing friendly standings with the very Slavers he once fought. Ohh how low have the spirit of this mighty wolf have sank... i for one can only lower my head and mumble... a shame... a damn shame. But lest us have a little bit of trust on this once proud warrior... lest us see those proofs that indeed they are still killing Slavers... show us some proof of it and then we might start to believe. PS: Remember dear followers, in the following days your dear New and Improved Church of Providence (NICHUP) will be releasing the fruits of interplanetary interactions with the colonies of NICHUP, the most miraculous holy water of New Eden "Eau du Nichup" produced in the holy headwaters of A-VilQ - P5 or as we the followers named it "Nichuponia". "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."*
Conlin Gallente LangToun	Posted - 2010.06.14 06:43:00 - [194] Edited by: Conlin on 14/06/2010 06:46:24 Ain't Concord a pain in the bum !! , and ain't my critics so impatient !!. I couldn't stomach being blue to my old adversaries , and they made me wait a whole 24hours Yes it took a few days to leave , l hope you dont mind l had some logistical work to do , l wouldn't want you thinking l was keeping you guys waiting . On the premise that you would dive in head first at open your big gob before thinking I didn't kiss arses to save my own skin , unlike some we know in here , theyl'l probably criticise my grammar next Oh and on a final note before you guys think up something else , and me n' Shiroi have to make you look stupid again !!!. I left Madbombers on good grounds , as they understand l am a man of principles
Karn Mithralia Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.06.14 06:45:00 - [195] Good news Conlin, respect o>
Wotlankor Intercision	Posted - 2010.06.14 09:49:00 - [196] I think Conlin just made everyone else look bad... Conlin I salute you. o7
Black Necris Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.06.14 11:33:00 - [197] Originally by: Conlin Edited by: Conlin on 14/06/2010 06:47:46 Edited by: Conlin on 14/06/2010 06:46:24 Ain't Concord a pain in the bum !! , and ain't my critics so impatient !!. I couldn't stomach being blue to my old adversaries , and they made me wait a whole 24hours Yes it took a few days to leave , l hope you dont mind l had some logistical work to do , l wouldn't want you thinking l was keeping you guys waiting . On the premise that you would dive in head first and open your big gob before thinking I didn't kiss arses to save my own skin , unlike some we know in here , theyl'l probably criticise my grammar next Oh and on a final note before you guys think up something else , and me n' Shiroi have to make you look stupid again !!!. I left Madbombers on good grounds , as they understand l am a man of principles Nothing more to say that much love and respect for a mighty warrior like you sir "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."
Grr Amarr Epitoth Fleet Yards	Posted - 2010.06.14 12:12:00 - [198] Originally by: Wotlankor I think Conlin just made everyone else look bad... Conlin I salute you. o7 It doesn't make up for years of smack and bitterness but its a step in the right direction. Not that he cares but my respect level for Conlin goes up a notch today.
Dame Death Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.06.14 12:59:00 - [199] Not sure itll mean a lot as I'm proberly one of the ex cva you mean but o7 conlin you went up in my books for what little it counts. Logs of a Brutor
Conlin Gallente LangToun	Posted - 2010.07.22 16:00:00 - [200] Originally by: Lord Makk Keep hunting our weak. It will eventually make them strong, or it will make them leave. Both are desirable outcomes for us. Atm no one does us a better favour than you. So .... are you one of those weak ? , seeing as you left , and your corp is now attacking U'K . Better to be known as a sinner than a hypocrit eh Makk !
Wotlankor Intercision	Posted - 2010.07.22 16:09:00 - [201] Originally by: Conlin Originally by: Lord Makk Keep hunting our weak. It will eventually make them strong, or it will make them leave. Both are desirable outcomes for us. Atm no one does us a better favour than you. So .... are you one of those weak ? , seeing as you left , and your corp is now attacking U'K . Better to be known as a sinner than a hypocrit eh Makk ! tbh UK is in a very differnt situation opposed to what sparked MB to leave. You would be in error to compare the two, though I do understand why you want to take a swing at it. Please resize your signature to no more than 120 x 400 pixels and 24,000 bytes (not KBytes) - Adida
Fore Khaos	Posted - 2010.07.22 16:53:00 - [202] Congratz UK, you've taken over CVA's old roles, old jobs, old allies....but that was the goal all along, wasn't it? Free the slaves....right.
Conlin Gallente LangToun	Posted - 2010.07.23 03:45:00 - [203] Originally by: Wotlankor Originally by: Conlin Originally by: Lord Makk Keep hunting our weak. It will eventually make them strong, or it will make them leave. Both are desirable outcomes for us. Atm no one does us a better favour than you. So .... are you one of those weak ? , seeing as you left , and your corp is now attacking U'K . Better to be known as a sinner than a hypocrit eh Makk ! tbh UK is in a very differnt situation opposed to what sparked MB to leave. You would be in error to compare the two, though I do understand why you want to take a swing at it. I see no comparisons Wot , what l do see is a hypocrit who has a history of deceit & dishonesty . Doing exactly what l , and others predicted a long time ago . Your correct about the swing , there's a queue
Lord Makk Trust Doesn't Rust Mostly Cookie	Posted - 2010.07.23 19:27:00 - [204] Congrats on yet another fail post. You dont know my history, you dont know the circumstances, you dont know the situation. The only thing you know, is how to stick your **** on the forums and post piles of rubbish. Oh, and stop posting like you were some sort of great role model for uk. You were crap, and doomed to stay that way with the insane amount of bitterness. See you in space, you should try it sometime, i heard flying is much more fun than posting.
Conlin Gallente LangToun	Posted - 2010.07.24 01:08:00 - [205] Edited by: Conlin on 24/07/2010 01:09:04 Originally by: Lord Makk Congrats on yet another fail post. You dont know my history, you dont know the circumstances, you dont know the situation. The only thing you know, is how to stick your **** on the forums and post piles of rubbish. Oh, and stop posting like you were some sort of great role model for uk. You were crap, and doomed to stay that way with the insane amount of bitterness. See you in space, you should try it sometime, i heard flying is much more fun than posting. Baited ,Hooked & Netted !! The slippery wet trout floundered in the net , as the killing blow was administered
Lord Makk Trust Doesn't Rust Mostly Cookie	Posted - 2010.07.24 01:27:00 - [206] What exactly have you achieved wich is worthy a claim to "baited and netted" I don't get your point, but with your terrible grammar, hardly anyone ever does. "Shoot, not talk" To put it in your own words... hypocrite? lol irony overload my friend.
Shiroi Okami Gallente Mad Bombers HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.07.24 05:49:00 - [207] Originally by: Lord Makk Congrats on yet another fail post. You dont know my history, you dont know the circumstances, you dont know the situation. The only thing you know, is how to stick your **** on the forums and post piles of rubbish. Oh, and stop posting like you were some sort of great role model for uk. You were crap, and doomed to stay that way with the insane amount of bitterness. See you in space, you should try it sometime, i heard flying is much more fun than posting. Makk, lets examine some facts shall we. -Mad Bombers leaves UK for a multitude of reasons, primarily we thought UK was taking the wrong direction, recruiting enemies, and fail, and moving away what made UK UK. -Over the following months what remained of UK's old combat backbone after 11B's departure become tired of the crap that the 'new' UK is going through and begin to filter out of the alliance, forming corps such as Intercision and Darkside of the Moon. -Makk rages again and again on the UK forums, trying to fix things by yelling at people who don't even read alliance forums. -TDR Leaves UK under very similar circumstances and for very similar reasons as 11B -Conlin points out the hypocrisy -Makk tries to save face by being a troll And Makk, Conlin was a role model for UK, we all were at the time, people judged UK as an alliance by what we as her combatants did and said. UK was known as a powerful alliance specialising in guerilla warfare. Now it's just another sov holding blob. As I'm sure you agree considering your current circumstances.... tl;dr Thanks for following in our footsteps, kindly stop being a troll and just admit we were right. Also, as is expected of me, HYDRA PROVAIL, join today!
Lykouleon Trust Doesn't Rust	Posted - 2010.07.24 11:22:00 - [208] Originally by: Shiroi Okami -TDR Leaves UK under very similar circumstances and for very similar reasons as 11B Not even close. IF you actually had any access to our communications, you'd know our leaving was held under much different circumstances. And at least we had the decancy to not sell out to the highest bidder and turn into ~bitter children~ COOKIE PROVAIL!!!~ (No, we don't recruit) Quote: CCP Mindstar > Sorry - I've completely messed all that up. lets try again
Lord Makk Trust Doesn't Rust Mostly Cookie	Posted - 2010.07.24 11:58:00 - [209] I can only laugh when I see people who were neither in Leadership, Fleet Command nor had anything to do with anything else than run around and think only of themselves, try to post rubbish on these forums. I mean, you left because you didn't want to push the cart together with everyone else. YOU guys left when the going got tough, WE stayed, fought and tried until the end. YOU quit in the middle, WE quit when the job was done and the need for us was over, so shut it. Why do you try to make everyone believe you had a clue? You don't know anything, and your stated "facts" are completely off and probably something you came up with while being intoxicated. Learn the facts, have some respect, shut it and grow up.
Shiroi Okami Gallente Mad Bombers HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.07.24 12:02:00 - [210] You may have forgotten makk, but I was in both UK Leadership and Fleet Command, so vOv. Maybe you should look up some facts before you spout more crap? Although UK is no more anyway now so we are really kicking a dead horse
Nathvas	Posted - 2010.07.24 12:41:00 - [211] Edited by: Nathvas on 24/07/2010 12:44:46 B#@$^ S$^ UK is far from dead. If I need to ram my Carrier down your throats, fly back and get all my BS, BC, HAC, and recons and do the same till I'm broke. I will. In this time of choas, I refuse to run from UK side in her time of need.
Nathvas	Posted - 2010.07.24 12:46:00 - [212] Edited by: Nathvas on 24/07/2010 12:46:36 EDIT: Double Post, please delete
Lykouleon Trust Doesn't Rust	Posted - 2010.07.24 12:49:00 - [213] Originally by: Nathvas Edited by: Nathvas on 24/07/2010 12:44:46UK is far from dead. The current situation would seem to contradict your assesment. Congrats, Emo Bombers, your revenge is complete. Good times... Quote: CCP Mindstar > Sorry - I've completely messed all that up. lets try again
Lord Makk Trust Doesn't Rust Mostly Cookie	Posted - 2010.07.24 13:37:00 - [214] Shiroi, you were a nobody, admit it already :)
Shiroi Okami Gallente Mad Bombers HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.07.24 13:52:00 - [215] Originally by: Lord Makk Shiroi, you were a nobody, admit it already :) Maaaate, don't make me start quoting battleclinic ranks at you. I find it a rather accurate capsuleer tracking data page... Shiroi Okami's combat record - Ranked #184 Lord Makk's combat record - Ranked #910 etc, etc. Although tbh being in UK's council was more of a pain in the ass than anything else
Lord Makk Trust Doesn't Rust Mostly Cookie	Posted - 2010.07.24 15:20:00 - [216] Shiroi. Because Alliance fleet commands, alliance operations, alliance councils.... Are ran by battleclinic statistics? You truly are an idiot. Posting your stats didn't help your argument, still a nobody in terms of work laid down for the Ushra'Khan, please make a better attempt at defending just how useful you ever were. Right now the percentage counter I have attached to this thread reads 0%
Icarus3 Gallente DAEDALUS X The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.07.24 17:16:00 - [217] Originally by: Lord Makk Shiroi. Because Alliance fleet commands, alliance operations, alliance councils.... Are ran by battleclinic statistics? You truly are an idiot. Posting your stats didn't help your argument, still a nobody in terms of work laid down for the Ushra'Khan, please make a better attempt at defending just how useful you ever were. Right now the percentage counter I have attached to this thread reads 0% Hydra are a joke... not much sense in arguing with them... I'm just waiting for Genos to screw over all the nub corps they've recruited so "openly" that'll be the day. Lord Makk: 1 Shiroi: 0 A new EVE community
Darius Shakor Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.07.24 17:28:00 - [218] So Ushra'Khn are disbanded, pretty much, by what the news reports as a Hydra spy.... and 11B are in Hydra too. The fact that 11B are still spewing anti-Ushra'Khan sentiment now after this fact clearly puts their current situation right at Conlin's feet in my eyes. This is how you will fix things and gain respect, Conlin? Darius spits
Shiroi Okami Gallente Mad Bombers HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.07.24 22:34:00 - [219] Originally by: Lord Makk Shiroi. Because Alliance fleet commands, alliance operations, alliance councils.... Are ran by battleclinic statistics? You truly are an idiot. Posting your stats didn't help your argument, still a nobody in terms of work laid down for the Ushra'Khan, please make a better attempt at defending just how useful you ever were. Right now the percentage counter I have attached to this thread reads 0% Because leading blobs to shoot undefended stations makes you an invaluable fleet commander. Aside from trolling you, I don't need to post here what I did for UK, the people that actually matter know full well my part in helping UK.
Kazzzi Amarr Iniquitous Technologies Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.07.24 22:56:00 - [220] Edited by: Kazzzi on 24/07/2010 22:56:58 Regardless of what happens to the alliance name, The Ushra'Khan warrior was great before anyone here existed and will still be great after all of us are gone. For our people.
Xyla Vulchanus Amarr Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.07.24 23:12:00 - [221] Makk, good to see you've still got it. Serving the cold hard truth to Eve, one delusional nerd at a time. We Come For Our People (and your systems)
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.07.24 23:40:00 - [222] Originally by: Xyla Vulchanus Makk, good to see you've still got it. Serving the cold hard truth to Eve, one delusional nerd at a time. Good to see you're as classy as ever with the personal insults. ---
Lord Makk Trust Doesn't Rust Mostly Cookie	Posted - 2010.07.25 00:50:00 - [223] Enlighten us, what DID you do for UK? If you did anything, posting it now should be easy, I mean, do you think we care about your stats?
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.07.25 01:49:00 - [224] Originally by: Suitonia Good to see you're as classy as ever with the personal insults. It's not an insult unless it hurts, dear. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Plentyn Annwn	Posted - 2010.07.25 03:42:00 - [225] Originally by: Kazzzi Edited by: Kazzzi on 24/07/2010 22:56:58 Regardless of what happens to the alliance name, The Ushra'Khan warrior was great before anyone here existed and will still be great after all of us are gone. For our people. And those that matter know that Kazzi.
Conlin Gallente LangToun	Posted - 2010.07.25 04:54:00 - [226] Originally by: Lord Makk What exactly have you achieved wich is worthy a claim to "baited and netted" I don't get your point, but with your terrible grammar, hardly anyone ever does. "Shoot, not talk" To put it in your own words... hypocrite? lol irony overload my friend. The irony is ................... "Hypocrit!!". Darius who said anything about fixing things ? , certainly not l , there's nothing left of U'K left to fix . Makk was detriment in betraying his old alliance in Providence ,so Makk being Makk . He slithered & betrayed his way into our ranks after losing too many battles against us . And before you say it , their was plenty of pilots against him joining our ranks , for obvious reasons . Just our fears were ignored . Then after the speeches and feet stomping he is now shooting U'K again . The irony recquired pointing out , less so than the "grammar attack".
Lord Makk Trust Doesn't Rust Mostly Cookie	Posted - 2010.07.25 07:03:00 - [227] Once again, the biggest pile of rubbish i've seen Conlin. You don't base your posts on facts, neither do you write them out of experience, you simply post rubbish wich you've come up with in your own bitterness. You and your posting friends have 2 things to bring to a table of discussions. 1 : Rubbish, and 2 : Completely irrelevant Battleclinic stats. I suggest you crawl into your hole and don't come out. You've been out of the loop for a long time, in addition you didn't ever have access to "both sides of providence's" leadership channels, so you don't even know how ANY side were ran, yet you act as if you knew everything. Why don't you try posting things wich are true? Or is posting lies what you are all about, I think so. And yes, attend a course wich can teach you how to properly communicate with others, it will do you good.
Shiroi Okami Gallente Mad Bombers HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.07.25 10:38:00 - [228] Originally by: Lord Makk Once again, the biggest pile of rubbish i've seen Conlin. You don't base your posts on facts, neither do you write them out of experience, you simply post rubbish wich you've come up with in your own bitterness. You and your posting friends have 2 things to bring to a table of discussions. 1 : Rubbish, and 2 : Completely irrelevant Battleclinic stats. I suggest you crawl into your hole and don't come out. You've been out of the loop for a long time, in addition you didn't ever have access to "both sides of providence's" leadership channels, so you don't even know how ANY side were ran, yet you act as if you knew everything. Why don't you try posting things wich are true? Or is posting lies what you are all about, I think so. And yes, attend a course wich can teach you how to properly communicate with others, it will do you good. The word is spelled 'which' Also if battleclinic ranks are so irrelevant, why do you link yours in your bio ~
Lord Makk Trust Doesn't Rust Mostly Cookie	Posted - 2010.07.25 11:12:00 - [229] Shiroi, just stop talking just by being here everyone gets a laugh. You found a single fault of writing to point your finger at, and you compare it to Conlin's posts, well done I must applaud your great skills. My bio is my mine, when did it affect the world or any fleet commands/leaderships? Just as your statistics doesn't affect anything at all, why do you even post it? Why compare the two? Is it relevant? Answer is "No". Please try again. For it IS how useful you were we are still talking about, yes? Try not to derail it with more posts about things who are completely irrelevant. Of course there is also the option for you to stop posting, for I am soon just going to ask if you are done, there is a limit to how much us others are going to bother... And then you must look for someone else to statisfy your wolfpax ego. Could be very hard since no one really wants to listen to you and your kind. Think hard before you post about me, I didn't start your ****, i'm sure theres many who don't want to read what I am posting either, but I can take pride in the fact that I don't go to a forum and post at your level of rubbish. Have fun children :)
Conlin Gallente LangToun	Posted - 2010.07.25 11:19:00 - [230] Edited by: Conlin on 25/07/2010 11:21:25 Facts For Makk . 1.Your grammar is as bad as mine 2.You are shooting U'K are you not ?. http://www.ushrakhan.com/alliance/edk/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=131293 3.You are an ex provi fc are you not ?, one who continually raged at your pilots for being useless so begged to join U'K (be careful how you answer this one , their are witness's to this just waiting for this one) 4.I had access to a helluva lot more than you can imagine in the days of U'K .People trusted me as a no nonesense person who spoke the truth .You should know that much Makk , I told you often enough you kissed too much arse 5.Been posting facts for several days now , your just choosing to ignore them and attack my granma .. oops!!.. grammar 6.You did make a speech about the weak & traitors did you not ?. 7.I never once kissed arse to get anywhere , unlike yourself Makk . So people trust me . Especially as I and a few others in U'K actions were detriment to gaining -A- trust and access . 8.It's true , you do kiss a lot of arse 9.You do post battleclinic stats . 10.My granma knitted me socks for my birthday Ok finished with you now , we got the reaction we were after , and your making a big enough fool of yourself without our help ;)
Lord Makk Trust Doesn't Rust Mostly Cookie	Posted - 2010.07.25 12:27:00 - [231] Edited by: Lord Makk on 25/07/2010 12:27:48 1: No, you can't even separate lines, having English as your first language, that is pretty terrible. 2: Yes we are, why we are is different to what you think, but please go on believing whatever. 3: Confirming ex-provi fc, also UK fc why not use what I can do if I can? See this is where you are wrong, you post as if you know but you don't. Talking about how i left Provi would create an own thread wich would fill the maximum allowed posts, and that isn't what i'm after. I'll give you the tl;dr and hopefully you'll be quiet about it forever : We left Providence ages ago, our support for Provi stopped a long long time before joining UK, and I can assure you we didn't beg a soul, we were already roaming Providence, then we asked for a chance and we got it. I think we could say that we've served UK well, as I remember the only bitter little person raging about our success with for example black ops, was you... Because you didn't get it, you automatically hated it and raged against it. Thus your little hate campaign for me perhaps? That your own usefulness came to an end? Oh wait, can't be. You hate everyone! 4: Probably, those days are gone, you were unable to adapt, once again No ones ass were kissed, we took orders like normal fighter part of any well ran organisation, unlike you whom refused to turn up even though you had both time and assets (dreadnoughts) because your "old ways" were threathened. 5: Your facts? Don't make me laugh, they are "facts" wich you have decorated, making them sound much worse than what they really are. 6: Of course, making speeches is what leadership is about, I am a leader, you are a nothing. 7: Name 1 ass I have kissed, please don't pull it out of the sky like the rest of your arguments. (Professional tip : Taking orders as part of an organisation, is not asskissing, try again) 8: Once again, you are an obsolete design, an idiot. 9: Perhaps they were relevant to something? I know they are not for discussing ones value to an organisations leadership and/or its roles. Try again. 10: Lucky you, must keep you warm whenever you are in a station. I've answered your rubbish honestly, take it however you want. Just stop posting bitter old things about how everything supposedly was better and how UK couldn't possibly live without you.
Shiroi Okami Gallente Mad Bombers HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.07.25 13:09:00 - [232] Originally by: Lord Makk Shiroi, just stop talking just by being here everyone gets a laugh. You found a single fault of writing to point your finger at, and you compare it to Conlin's posts, well done I must applaud your great skills. My bio is my mine, when did it affect the world or any fleet commands/leaderships? Just as your statistics doesn't affect anything at all, why do you even post it? Why compare the two? Is it relevant? Answer is "No". Please try again. For it IS how useful you were we are still talking about, yes? Try not to derail it with more posts about things who are completely irrelevant. Of course there is also the option for you to stop posting, for I am soon just going to ask if you are done, there is a limit to how much us others are going to bother... And then you must look for someone else to statisfy your wolfpax ego. Could be very hard since no one really wants to listen to you and your kind. Think hard before you post about me, I didn't start your ****, i'm sure theres many who don't want to read what I am posting either, but I can take pride in the fact that I don't go to a forum and post at your level of rubbish. Have fun children :) I did not compare your posts to Conlin's. I simply pointed out that you are criticising his grammar while your own is far from perfect. And sure, my statistics don't affect anything at all, but they are still there. The fact you placed it in your bio would suggest that you value it in one way or another. And I'm not here to satisfy my ego, you are the one that came rolling in trying to beat Conlin's head in with your e-peen, I came here in the first place to defend him, as that is what friends do. And for the reference I very much doubt more than a handful of people have either read or care about anything you or I have ever posted. And you can call what I post rubbish all you want, but at the end of the day it's just words. All I do is counter your arguments and the most you can muster back is to call my posts worthless, call me worthless, call my friends worthless, etc. It's getting rather stale Makk.
Lord Makk Trust Doesn't Rust Mostly Cookie	Posted - 2010.07.25 13:27:00 - [233] I'm afraid you are running out of friends. And yes, worthless is the description. See you in space, all that really needs to be said from here on.
Algey The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2010.07.25 20:01:00 - [234] Edited by: Algey on 25/07/2010 20:02:10 Originally by: Shiroi Okami Edited by: Shiroi Okami on 24/07/2010 12:07:12 Edit: The going for UK never 'got tough'. UK and -a- just steamrolled provi with zero resitance after d-g, in which 11b took part. But we have been over this argument multiple times, you can't win. The only hardship UK went through was losing provi, retaking it was suspiciously easy. (Once the campaign actually began) You really should bother to read the history of UK. You don't even know about the pirate attack on 9UY. Watching two people who joined a successful UK and never remained through any hard times *** about how the other did nothing and had no stamina is frankly pathetic. You're both FOTM *gots. Conlin might like ganking ratters in Providence more than UK, but at least he isn't either of you two.
Darius Shakor Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.07.25 21:06:00 - [235] Originally by: Algey Edited by: Algey on 25/07/2010 20:02:10 Originally by: Shiroi Okami Edited by: Shiroi Okami on 24/07/2010 12:07:12 Edit: The going for UK never 'got tough'. UK and -a- just steamrolled provi with zero resitance after d-g, in which 11b took part. But we have been over this argument multiple times, you can't win. The only hardship UK went through was losing provi, retaking it was suspiciously easy. (Once the campaign actually began) You really should bother to read the history of UK. You don't even know about the pirate attack on 9UY. Watching two people who joined a successful UK and never remained through any hard times *** about how the other did nothing and had no stamina is frankly pathetic. You're both FOTM *gots. Conlin might like ganking ratters in Providence more than UK, but at least he isn't either of you two. You know, I see this happening a lot this last 24 hours where people who, in the life of the Ushra'Khan are simply children, claiming how much good they had done as though Ushra'Khan never existed before them or judge it based on the past 2-3 years they have had pilots licenses with the confidence of a well read tribal sage. Often many of them preach how this was a good thing for U'K, too, and show little regrets for what is simply an underhanded and cowardly act by those who seek an easy means to victory while ruining that which was built on the hard back of others long before them. Shiro, you claim U'K had an easy ride in taking Providence from the old order.... remember this when your home alliance, Hydra, are simply handed stations by a base lowlife traitor. Also, you know next to nothing of the Ushra'Khan and its past and the hard time it has endured and sacrifices it made. Or those of people who really helped build the alliance you betray long before you plugged into a capsule. In the scope of thing you have been insignificant to Ushra'Khan, and I say this as someone who has been unplugged from my former alliance for a long time because I know what Ushra'Khan was and what it took to build it and see it really pushed to the brink several times in the space of a year. And I say you and your pathetic cowards will never have been worthy of Ushra'Khan.
Shiroi Okami Gallente Mad Bombers HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.07.26 00:44:00 - [236] Originally by: Algey Edited by: Algey on 25/07/2010 20:02:10 Originally by: Shiroi Okami Edited by: Shiroi Okami on 24/07/2010 12:07:12 Edit: The going for UK never 'got tough'. UK and -a- just steamrolled provi with zero resitance after d-g, in which 11b took part. But we have been over this argument multiple times, you can't win. The only hardship UK went through was losing provi, retaking it was suspiciously easy. (Once the campaign actually began) You really should bother to read the history of UK. You don't even know about the pirate attack on 9UY. Watching two people who joined a successful UK and never remained through any hard times *** about how the other did nothing and had no stamina is frankly pathetic. You're both FOTM *gots. Conlin might like ganking ratters in Providence more than UK, but at least he isn't either of you two. I bolded the part you decided to ignore.
Michael Bross Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari	Posted - 2010.07.26 03:21:00 - [237] I felt the need to point out a few corrections. Conlin, you stated you were a detriment to the alliance with AAA. That would mean you hurt or damaged the process. Quite the opposite being true I'd thought to point that out as you were integral to the standings reset. Shiroi, the pirate invasion occured before the CVA assault on both QR and 9UY. It was a deep hardship on our small alliance at the time. Not sure if you were mistaken on the battles or implying it was easy on us, but having been there I can assure you we held on by the thinnest of margins.
Conlin Gallente LangToun	Posted - 2010.07.26 04:14:00 - [238] Originally by: Michael Bross I felt the need to point out a few corrections. Conlin, you stated you were a detriment to the alliance with AAA. That would mean you hurt or damaged the process. Quite the opposite being true I'd thought to point that out as you were integral to the standings reset. Shiroi, the pirate invasion occured before the CVA assault on both QR and 9UY. It was a deep hardship on our small alliance at the time. Not sure if you were mistaken on the battles or implying it was easy on us, but having been there I can assure you we held on by the thinnest of margins. Yeah thx for pointing that out Michael Too much alphabet spaghetti , anyways if l,d bothered to read caod I wouldnt of bothered to try and wind up our wee makky . Good luck gettin U'K back , and if ya need anybody shooting give me a shout
Algey The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2010.07.26 06:06:00 - [239] Originally by: Shiroi Okami Originally by: Algey Originally by: Shiroi Okami The only hardship UK went through was losing provi, retaking it was suspiciously easy. (Once the campaign actually began) You really should bother to read the history of UK.... I bolded the part you decided to ignore. Now you're making yourself look even sillier. As Michael has pointed out the pirate invasion was a significant hardship, and there were others. You don't get to be the oldest alliance in the game by having an easy time, you get it through a membership that is committed to common goals. Of course you don't know or share that history...
Shiroi Okami Gallente Mad Bombers HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.07.26 08:16:00 - [240] Originally by: Michael Bross I felt the need to point out a few corrections. Conlin, you stated you were a detriment to the alliance with AAA. That would mean you hurt or damaged the process. Quite the opposite being true I'd thought to point that out as you were integral to the standings reset. Shiroi, the pirate invasion occured before the CVA assault on both QR and 9UY. It was a deep hardship on our small alliance at the time. Not sure if you were mistaken on the battles or implying it was easy on us, but having been there I can assure you we held on by the thinnest of margins. You're right Michael, that was my bad. I thought the pirate invasion happened around the same time as the war with CVA, so I grouped them together. Thanks for clarifying.

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