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Marcus Ravens
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Posted - 2004.11.28 11:00:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Ravens on 28/11/2004 11:03:15
CCP I know that you have been working very hard to make things in Exedous great adb for the most part you are doing great. However!
What are you guying doing ot the tempest. Is there someone over there that jsut hates it adn the Minmatar ships?
THe tempest started out as being the best BS in the game. Through the history of modifications you have taken it form being the best to probably the worset. Then finaly to add insult to injury you have remodifide it to fit anotehr missle bay! WHY! The tempest was, is meant to be a projectile boat. Please for all hat is holy, give me an explanation as to why you feel that it was nessceary to take it from 7/1 to 6/2 and finaly to 5/3 (gun/missles hard points) Whay are u destroying the Majestic ship!  WHY!?!
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Marcus Ravens
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Posted - 2004.11.28 11:00:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Ravens on 28/11/2004 11:03:15
CCP I know that you have been working very hard to make things in Exedous great adb for the most part you are doing great. However!
What are you guying doing ot the tempest. Is there someone over there that jsut hates it adn the Minmatar ships?
THe tempest started out as being the best BS in the game. Through the history of modifications you have taken it form being the best to probably the worset. Then finaly to add insult to injury you have remodifide it to fit anotehr missle bay! WHY! The tempest was, is meant to be a projectile boat. Please for all hat is holy, give me an explanation as to why you feel that it was nessceary to take it from 7/1 to 6/2 and finaly to 5/3 (gun/missles hard points) Whay are u destroying the Majestic ship! WHY!?!
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2004.11.28 11:05:00 -
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Because missiles are currently better then guns.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2004.11.28 11:05:00 -
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Because missiles are currently better then guns.
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Heywood
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Posted - 2004.11.28 11:15:00 -
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What have i missed here?
Did the tempest have 7 turret hardpoints? What i know of it have 6/4 (Guns/missile, and 8 total high)
but 5/3? What are you talking about? 
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Heywood
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Posted - 2004.11.28 11:15:00 -
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What have i missed here?
Did the tempest have 7 turret hardpoints? What i know of it have 6/4 (Guns/missile, and 8 total high)
but 5/3? What are you talking about?
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Shirei
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Posted - 2004.11.28 11:38:00 -
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To answer the question posed in the topic..
CCP have done nothing and the Tempest has the same slot layout it has had for at least a year.
Now lay off the ***** pipe please.
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Shirei
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Posted - 2004.11.28 11:38:00 -
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To answer the question posed in the topic..
CCP have done nothing and the Tempest has the same slot layout it has had for at least a year.
Now lay off the ***** pipe please.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.11.28 13:51:00 -
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JFC. Stop the whining please.
Tempest is okay. If someone owns you 1 vs 1, you did someone wrong with your setup.
You can do 2 vs 1 (Tempest) fights in and kill people if you know what you're doing.
6 x 1400mm and 5 x Gyro was a no brainer.
The only thing which is wrong with all Minmatar ships is the base locking range, it is way too low. Furthermore the so called short range hybrid and laser weapons have a too high optimal range compared to the short range projectile weapons and the tracking of the 1400mm is broken. That's it.
Sick of the whining. Currently training L Projectiles and Minmatar Battleship up. It's a good ship for PvP and PvE. Don't listen to the whinage.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.11.28 13:51:00 -
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JFC. Stop the whining please.
Tempest is okay. If someone owns you 1 vs 1, you did someone wrong with your setup.
You can do 2 vs 1 (Tempest) fights in and kill people if you know what you're doing.
6 x 1400mm and 5 x Gyro was a no brainer.
The only thing which is wrong with all Minmatar ships is the base locking range, it is way too low. Furthermore the so called short range hybrid and laser weapons have a too high optimal range compared to the short range projectile weapons and the tracking of the 1400mm is broken. That's it.
Sick of the whining. Currently training L Projectiles and Minmatar Battleship up. It's a good ship for PvP and PvE. Don't listen to the whinage.
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.11.28 14:40:00 -
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Edited by: Mikelangelo on 28/11/2004 14:43:24
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The only thing which is wrong with all Minmatar ships is the base locking range, it is way too low. Furthermore the so called short range hybrid and laser weapons have a too high optimal range compared to the short range projectile weapons and the tracking of the 1400mm is broken. That's it.
Let me get this straight.
Things wrong with projectiles and which affect the Tempest, according to you.
1) Low locking range
2) short range projectiles have low optimal range
3) tracking of 1400mm is borked.
And you are training for Minmatar ships?
Impressive. Most impressive.
I'm glad somebody around here still has b--llz and the brains to use them.
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.11.28 14:40:00 -
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Edited by: Mikelangelo on 28/11/2004 14:43:24
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The only thing which is wrong with all Minmatar ships is the base locking range, it is way too low. Furthermore the so called short range hybrid and laser weapons have a too high optimal range compared to the short range projectile weapons and the tracking of the 1400mm is broken. That's it.
Let me get this straight.
Things wrong with projectiles and which affect the Tempest, according to you.
1) Low locking range
2) short range projectiles have low optimal range
3) tracking of 1400mm is borked.
And you are training for Minmatar ships?
Impressive. Most impressive.
I'm glad somebody around here still has b--llz and the brains to use them.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.11.28 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Mikelangelo
And you are training for Minmatar ships?
Impressive. Most impressive.
I'm glad somebody around here still has b--llz and the brains to use them.
Yes, I am. I don't see how an aware Claw pilot can be killed by any non ECM Interceptor.
Same goes for the Rupture (vs other Cruiser) and the Tempest (vs other Battleship). And yeah, ignore the dual MWD and (dual) oversized AB crazyness, in my opinion that's exploiting the game.
If you are prepared, you should be able to choose your range and maintain it with a Minmatar ship, you should be able to deal some good damage and still have a decent tanking. Furthermore you can choose your damage type. Not bad at all.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.11.28 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Mikelangelo
And you are training for Minmatar ships?
Impressive. Most impressive.
I'm glad somebody around here still has b--llz and the brains to use them.
Yes, I am. I don't see how an aware Claw pilot can be killed by any non ECM Interceptor.
Same goes for the Rupture (vs other Cruiser) and the Tempest (vs other Battleship). And yeah, ignore the dual MWD and (dual) oversized AB crazyness, in my opinion that's exploiting the game.
If you are prepared, you should be able to choose your range and maintain it with a Minmatar ship, you should be able to deal some good damage and still have a decent tanking. Furthermore you can choose your damage type. Not bad at all.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.11.28 15:22:00 -
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Ok ok ok, firstly nowt has changed layout wise.
secondly its only 1400s and 1200s that are crap.. the tempest is a GOOD ship.. but u need to put ALOT of skills into it.
d solo.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.11.28 15:22:00 -
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Ok ok ok, firstly nowt has changed layout wise.
secondly its only 1400s and 1200s that are crap.. the tempest is a GOOD ship.. but u need to put ALOT of skills into it.
d solo.
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Celt Eireson
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Posted - 2004.11.28 19:53:00 -
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Well hope the Min arent shortchanged cos all I can fly is Min ships and all I can fight with turret wise are projectiles. Just a choice I made at creation well over a year ago and stuck with - I like the ships just wish they would fix the tracking on the weapons.
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Celt Eireson
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Posted - 2004.11.28 19:53:00 -
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Well hope the Min arent shortchanged cos all I can fly is Min ships and all I can fight with turret wise are projectiles. Just a choice I made at creation well over a year ago and stuck with - I like the ships just wish they would fix the tracking on the weapons.
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.11.28 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Ravens
THe tempest started out as being the best BS in the game. Through the history of modifications you have taken it form being the best to probably the worset.
And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
It's obvious that no ship can (or should) always be the best. The Wheel of Nerf continues it's cycle.
Of course you have a right to whine, just like other people have whined before you about other ships.
One day the Tempy may once again be better, or who know, even the best again.
Incidentally, this is why I have trained up to fly all battleships.
(besides, the Tempest can still kick ass, just not with the old set-ups and tactics)
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.11.28 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Ravens
THe tempest started out as being the best BS in the game. Through the history of modifications you have taken it form being the best to probably the worset.
And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
It's obvious that no ship can (or should) always be the best. The Wheel of Nerf continues it's cycle.
Of course you have a right to whine, just like other people have whined before you about other ships.
One day the Tempy may once again be better, or who know, even the best again.
Incidentally, this is why I have trained up to fly all battleships.
(besides, the Tempest can still kick ass, just not with the old set-ups and tactics)
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.11.28 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sally
JFC. Stop the whining please.
Tempest is okay. If someone owns you 1 vs 1, you did someone wrong with your setup.
You can do 2 vs 1 (Tempest) fights in and kill people if you know what you're doing.
6 x 1400mm and 5 x Gyro was a no brainer.
The only thing which is wrong with all Minmatar ships is the base locking range, it is way too low. Furthermore the so called short range hybrid and laser weapons have a too high optimal range compared to the short range projectile weapons and the tracking of the 1400mm is broken. That's it.
Sick of the whining. Currently training L Projectiles and Minmatar Battleship up. It's a good ship for PvP and PvE. Don't listen to the whinage.
Sally, i can 3vs1 against 3 people who don't know **** about what their doing, but when i meet 1 guy in a ship that DOES know what he is doing then i am toast with my 20m skillpoints based on Tempest only.
I too train for tempest, not because it is great but because i hope that it will become great. Tempest has its shortcomes. As longrange its not the king because of its lack of tracking, as shortrange it has a low output of damage to compete with the megathron or the Raven.
Lets face it, the tempest does not work properly else the DEVS would not had agreed with the people who say it is broken and does not work properly.
I agree, in a tempest you can still kill 3 people who fit a medium shield extender on a scorpion.. But the moment you fight a pilot who knows his ship, who has dedicated a complete year in training, fighting and sticking to its shiptype through all the nerfs.. Then the tempest will lose. No mather how good you are.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.11.28 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sally
JFC. Stop the whining please.
Tempest is okay. If someone owns you 1 vs 1, you did someone wrong with your setup.
You can do 2 vs 1 (Tempest) fights in and kill people if you know what you're doing.
6 x 1400mm and 5 x Gyro was a no brainer.
The only thing which is wrong with all Minmatar ships is the base locking range, it is way too low. Furthermore the so called short range hybrid and laser weapons have a too high optimal range compared to the short range projectile weapons and the tracking of the 1400mm is broken. That's it.
Sick of the whining. Currently training L Projectiles and Minmatar Battleship up. It's a good ship for PvP and PvE. Don't listen to the whinage.
Sally, i can 3vs1 against 3 people who don't know **** about what their doing, but when i meet 1 guy in a ship that DOES know what he is doing then i am toast with my 20m skillpoints based on Tempest only.
I too train for tempest, not because it is great but because i hope that it will become great. Tempest has its shortcomes. As longrange its not the king because of its lack of tracking, as shortrange it has a low output of damage to compete with the megathron or the Raven.
Lets face it, the tempest does not work properly else the DEVS would not had agreed with the people who say it is broken and does not work properly.
I agree, in a tempest you can still kill 3 people who fit a medium shield extender on a scorpion.. But the moment you fight a pilot who knows his ship, who has dedicated a complete year in training, fighting and sticking to its shiptype through all the nerfs.. Then the tempest will lose. No mather how good you are.
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Selim
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Posted - 2004.11.29 01:41:00 -
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It's not the ship, its the guns. Currently, a railgun can outrange artillery, do more damage per second than it, and track better, even with artillery's great falloff. Currently, a blaster's optimal + falloff is only slightly less than an autocannons optimal + falloff, yet tracking is much much better.
To reach the same damage, a projectile must be fitted on a ship with 2 damage bonuses, while a hybrid ship must only have one, and a laser ship needn't even have one. There is a skill called controlled bursts that reduces the cap use for hybrids and lasers but gives no bonus to projectiles.
Yay 4 rant omglolz!
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Selim
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Posted - 2004.11.29 01:41:00 -
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It's not the ship, its the guns. Currently, a railgun can outrange artillery, do more damage per second than it, and track better, even with artillery's great falloff. Currently, a blaster's optimal + falloff is only slightly less than an autocannons optimal + falloff, yet tracking is much much better.
To reach the same damage, a projectile must be fitted on a ship with 2 damage bonuses, while a hybrid ship must only have one, and a laser ship needn't even have one. There is a skill called controlled bursts that reduces the cap use for hybrids and lasers but gives no bonus to projectiles.
Yay 4 rant omglolz!
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Selim
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Posted - 2004.11.29 01:43:00 -
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Edited by: Selim on 29/11/2004 01:46:59
Originally by: theRaptor
Because missiles are currently better then guns.
Only on a Caldari ship, where they are uber. No cap no tracking can hit frigs and good damage... On a minmatar ship, missiles really suck. They do pitiful damage even compared to projectile turrets.
And sure you can win using a tempest with projectiles. Its just harder and more skill intensive than when using, say, a raven or apoc.
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Selim
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Posted - 2004.11.29 01:43:00 -
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Edited by: Selim on 29/11/2004 01:46:59
Originally by: theRaptor
Because missiles are currently better then guns.
Only on a Caldari ship, where they are uber. No cap no tracking can hit frigs and good damage... On a minmatar ship, missiles really suck. They do pitiful damage even compared to projectile turrets.
And sure you can win using a tempest with projectiles. Its just harder and more skill intensive than when using, say, a raven or apoc.
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Asterian XVV
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Posted - 2004.11.29 03:15:00 -
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I have one thing to say. Ships fitted for multi-role suck. This is most notable in a tempest. You try to tank it and do decent damage, you come out with a setup that is ****ty at both.
Try a setup for either pure tanking, or pure damage and you will find it much better.
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Asterian XVV
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Posted - 2004.11.29 03:15:00 -
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I have one thing to say. Ships fitted for multi-role suck. This is most notable in a tempest. You try to tank it and do decent damage, you come out with a setup that is ****ty at both.
Try a setup for either pure tanking, or pure damage and you will find it much better.
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Cobra64
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Posted - 2004.11.29 04:29:00 -
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Looking for the light at the end of the tunnel, now that they have made a change to the cost of manufacturing missiles, shove 4 launchers on there and 4 1400's for the long range stuff and you have a jack of all trades ship that can do decent damage at long range and still kick some ass if they make the mistake of trying to come closer for a look.
Still not the best BS on the block but we Minmat's just have to get together and hunt in packs to kick the Amarr ass.
We are not a high tech race so why should it follow that we have a high tech ship, I know it's not good one on one but this is a team game get with your corp mates and make it hurt with numbers, that's how the socially opressed win.
Train what you can as high as you can, fit it out to the best of your ability and use your head, if you can't win one way try another.
Everyone knows by now that with the projectile nerf, Min ships are the poor cousin to all the rest of the races but that is no reason to abandon them and loose the faith brothers, we will adapt and overcome.
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Cobra64
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Posted - 2004.11.29 04:29:00 -
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Looking for the light at the end of the tunnel, now that they have made a change to the cost of manufacturing missiles, shove 4 launchers on there and 4 1400's for the long range stuff and you have a jack of all trades ship that can do decent damage at long range and still kick some ass if they make the mistake of trying to come closer for a look.
Still not the best BS on the block but we Minmat's just have to get together and hunt in packs to kick the Amarr ass.
We are not a high tech race so why should it follow that we have a high tech ship, I know it's not good one on one but this is a team game get with your corp mates and make it hurt with numbers, that's how the socially opressed win.
Train what you can as high as you can, fit it out to the best of your ability and use your head, if you can't win one way try another.
Everyone knows by now that with the projectile nerf, Min ships are the poor cousin to all the rest of the races but that is no reason to abandon them and loose the faith brothers, we will adapt and overcome.
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