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Merdaneth
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Posted - 2010.03.10 11:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Havohej
There is no such thing as a neutral Providence resident. If you have been a resident of Amarrian Occupied Providence, docking in the Holders' stations, giving them your ISK and minerals in the form of docking fees and refining/reprocessing taxes, you have been supporting the slavers' regime.
If there is no such thing as a neutral resident, there also cannot be a thing such as NRDS, don't you agree?
Either a resident is red or it is blue? If you're not my friend you must be my enemy?
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.03.10 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Karn Mithralia
Should U'K be successful in establishing our vision in Providence - and that with full acknowledgement there is no way we can do it alone - then the cluster will see something it hasnĘt seen before. A region that one alliance doesnĘt claim ownership over, that is inhabited by numerous smaller alliances, all free to set their own standings as they see fit, all willing to look after themselves as they need.
Perhaps we should apply this to general society as well? All cities inhabited by numerous small gangs, all free to set their own rules and laws as they see fit, all willing to look after themselves as they need. The cluster would see an anarchy of robber barons with the powerful dictating terms to the weaker.
How did it come you abandoned your own ideals for the shallow, hypocritical and unworkable Star Fraction ones?
Freedom for the powerful to oppress the weak. Freedom from all laws and accountability. Freedom to be killed on the whim.
You should be fortunate that stations cannot be destroyed as dictated by Concord, otherwise they would be in a matter of weeks before 50 stations would be reduced to 5.
Anarchists cannot build, they can only destroy.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.03.10 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Havohej
You're barking up the wrong tree, I'm afraid. Du'uma Fiisi is not a proponent of the NRDS RoE outside of Minmatar space, where we will give people the benefit of the doubt as long as they're not a member of the Amarr, Caldari or Gallente militias.
Not at all. Also, there is no such thing as 'Minmatar space', do you mean the systems with Republic sovereignity perhaps? Is Minmatar space each solar system with a single Minmatar? Basically you are saying that you consider everyone that doesn't live in your home an enemy. What would you do outside Republic space if Concord and sentry guns were removed?
Originally by: Havohej
Before you ask, Du'uma Fiisi does not regard the Gallente Federation or its militia as natural allies of the Minmatar people in the same way that the Republic government does. In fact, we do not view the Republic government as natural allies of the Minmatar people for that matter.
Natural allies. Curious term. How do you define 'natural' allies exactly? Are you a natural ally of the Minmatar people?
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.03.10 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kommander Keen
Time to realize how things are working nowadays. Your NRDS is in no way better than NBSI, because you don't care about the diplomatic hassles required to maintain a region wide NRDS policy. I get shot by a neutral in "your" area, nobody cares. I get shot by a neutral in CVA territory, next time the aggressor is red to me. Not to mention being blue with UK & Friends will never happen.
Why oh why i am talking to my hand again, btw? 
Actually, the situation is even worse. If you defend yourself against a neutral (say roaming -A- pilot), UK will consider you a hostile, shoot you and might even set you to red because you were shooting at a (to them) blue pilot.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.03.11 23:17:00 -
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Maybe I should be NRDS to my slaves to? I will consider my slaves neutral and not shoot them when they run away. Of course, I have a pack of NBSI slaver hounds roaming my grounds that are friendly to me they will need to avoid. When my slaves defend themselves from the hounds, I am of course free to open fire on the slaves without breaking my friendly NRDS. I then tell my slaves when that if they desire freedom they must be willing to fight for it. Something like that?
I prefer giving them a good education instead and releasing them peacefully when they are ready while protecting them from harm while they are under my care.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.03.13 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
The ability to manage ones own diplomatic relations is the basic right of any alliance, or entity who considers themselves to be free.
Do you not consider this a basic right of an individual that considers itself free as well?
Do you believe it right for an organization's leadership to enforce their standings policy upon its members?
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.03.15 20:20:00 -
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Ms. Constantine, I'm getting a bit tired of your continual misrepresentation
An individual Star Fraction capsuleer is no more free than a capsuleer belonging to the CVA or Severance alliances. Both cannot decide for themselves who they can fire upon. All need to abide by the rules set forth by their respective organizations or suffer the consequences. All have freely chosen to enter into this arrangement. All can freely leave their organization as they see fit.
All individual Star Fraction captains suffer from standings enclosure and need to lock step with their organization. If they break the rules they will need to make amends or suffer expulsion. There is no difference here in Star Fraction Ushra'Khan, CVA or Severance. No difference at all.
There is also no difference in the withering of freedom by entering an organization like Star Fraction or CVA. Both dictate have rules and principles as to how their members should act. Both aid and protect their fellows.
Only those chosen to represent their respective organizations can practice diplomacy on the part of their organizations. A junior Star Fraction member can no more promise Star Fraction militairy aid from his or her organization than a junior CVA or Ushra'Khan member can.
As long as there is a hierachy, as long as there are rules, as long as there are people who are allowed to make certain decision within an organization while others can't, you will have you form of tyranny.
Star Fraction pilots crouch and huddle in the same way as all these other pilots.
There are differences between the Star Fraction and the CVA, between Ushra'Khan and Severance, but that difference does not lie in standings enclosurism, lockstep or inability for individual pilots to decide for themselves who to shoot and not to. Please stop telling this nonsense. As far as its members are concerned Star Fraction is a lockstep, standings enclosurist, dictatorial and hierachical and tyrannical organization.
Perhaps its members don't experience it as such, fair enough. But then again, perhaps CVA, Severance or even 'neutral' pilots didn't experience Providence as such. You are fighting your own shadow in attacking these things.
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Amarr
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Posted - 2010.03.16 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Merdaneth
Ms. Constantine, I'm getting a bit tired of your continual misrepresentation
Thats fine because I got tired of your continual dishonest bleating many many months ago.
If somebody capable of honest debate wishes to discuss my points I'll be very happy to answer.
If you are afraid of challenging debate, that is perfectly understandable. Having people deconstruct your propaganda time and again can prove frustrating.
If debating just with people that agree with you or are make points easily deconstructed by you makes you happy, well, go right ahead with your debating enclosurism and lockstep conversations. After all, dissenting voices are not favored by imperialists...
Oh, I forget, you are supposed to be an anarchist, right?
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