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Velonei Vinnitsa
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Posted - 2010.03.10 05:45:00 -
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sorry if im beating a rented donkey-we see the old adversaries CVA and thier puppets against the Ushrakhan and thier anarchist friends the Star Fraction here at war as usual.They both have as policy NRDS and as far as we have seen they try to enforce it...However both parties and in particular the Ushrakhan and Star Fraction are working with outsiders like AAA and Atlas Alliance who are have NBSI policy. We resident neutrals here in Providence have enjoyed for some time access to this space under the Holder NRDS Policy and it has been a mutual benifit to the holders and to neutral outside interests.With the current war here and the conflicting aims of the UK-STAR FRACTION NRDS-/AAA-ATLAS NBSI policy here in Providence these parties are not at this time beholden to most of the neutral residents here. Ive been handed the unfornutate task to express these views here on behalf of concerned parties that want to hear the aims or settlement of this conflict in Providence from both sides.
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edeity
Amarr
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
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Posted - 2010.03.10 06:04:00 -
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I think Ushra'Khan has already stated they will bring NRDS to providence but that corps that supported the old CVA regime even if neutrals would not be welcome.
How UK would ever enforce anything once AAA diverts attention elsewhere is one of the great mysteries of life that gives rise to religion and expressions of faith.
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Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.03.10 06:07:00 -
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Many pilots prefer the easy path.
And it is far easier to destroy than it is to build.
You would not see a providence as you have known it under -A- proxy control, no. They have their own defence priorities that would tend to exclude such things.
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Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2010.03.10 09:05:00 -
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There is no such thing as a neutral Providence resident. If you have been a resident of Amarrian Occupied Providence, docking in the Holders' stations, giving them your ISK and minerals in the form of docking fees and refining/reprocessing taxes, you have been supporting the slavers' regime.
Ushra'Khan's policy of being NBSI within Amarrian Occupied Providence was the realistic approach to this problem. If you supported the slavers, you're going to burn.
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Chav Queen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.03.10 09:23:00 -
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Edited by: Chav Queen on 10/03/2010 09:25:17
UK have stated that while they themselves practice a NRDS policy they have no intention of forcing others to do so allowing their friends a free reign on who they kill.
CVA on the other hand enforce NRDS brining law an order in the systems under their control.
The days of the Nuetral being able to enjoy 00 space and co exist alongside one another without the need for mindless blood shed will come to an end if CVA are forced out.
UK are living the dream atm because they are backed up by some of the most powerful entities in EVE. Ironic they think they are bringing freedom, but the resault is the complete reverse.
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Karn Mithralia
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.10 09:48:00 -
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ItĘs amazing how much crap people spout with great certainly as if they spoke facts, when no one cannot predict with certainty what Providence will look like in the future.
LetĘs take one example from Chav Queen, who seems to live under the delusion that people need some sort of enforcement agency so they can live and prosper in Providence.
News flash Chav: it isnĘt so, there are many successful capsuleĘs who inhabit 0.0 and look after their own. Freedom is gained at a cost - the willingness to fight for it.
This willingness to fight was found sadly lacking among the vast majority of CVA's holders and unsurprisingly they are now fleeing for the security of empire space. Thats where they belong, under the cradling arms of CONCORD.
Should U'K be successful in establishing our vision in Providence - and that with full acknowledgement there is no way we can do it alone - then the cluster will see something it hasnĘt seen before. A region that one alliance doesnĘt claim ownership over, that is inhabited by numerous smaller alliances, all free to set their own standings as they see fit, all willing to look after themselves as they need.
I'm tired of the pathetic dribbling of those who want a risk free policed Providence run by slavers for their own profit. Your day is done. It's time for a change.
50 stations ą thatĘs a lot of space for a lot of resilient pilots. Freedom awaits the bold.
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Tharrn
Amarr
Epitoth Fleet Yards
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Posted - 2010.03.10 10:11:00 -
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In other words: anarchy. There would be no policing at all, no protection, no organization. You can't fool all the small freelancers and entrepeneurs into thinking that there would be any semblance of security in 'your' Providence. It would be a deserted region like Catch, as it's basically SWYW - shoot what you want, when you want.
That's truely fine 'vision' you have there.
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Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.03.10 10:27:00 -
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Karn, please, this vision of yours is hardly new. Indeed it is common. Look around.
The area will degrade to be the same as many areas of new eden with it's fuedal pockets under such a system. You at least do not hide this.
It is the availability to newer pilots which has made Providence unique. And populous, rather than the usual bleak expance that is lawless space. The space you speak of will hold only those who own control these systems. Sounds familiar, much like the space UK now controls.
You use slavery as an excuse for conquest and greed. It's rather sad really, especially as this is what you accuse your enemy of.
In any case, we will continue to fight for the freedoms of Providence, regardless of the odds. And we are patient.
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Karn Mithralia
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.10 10:34:00 -
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And there you go folks, another blind fool with no idea what he's talking about.
With 50 stations and more moons than I care to count I'm sure Providence will be anything but a wasteland. No organisation? Yeh right, organisation is the back bone of any alliance worth its salt.
It just won't be your style of organisation slaver, no sheperd for the sheep, no slaves for the slave pens and no police force to protect those who really should learn to protect themselves.
Sure its a vision, a dream, but so far so good, and we're still in the burning phase. Soon though, people will start to move in, mark my words. Once the word gets out that CVA are a spent force and that our brothers in arms in AAA and us of Ushra'Khan are willing to talk we'll see the next phase begin.
In fact it's already begun, you just haven't seen it yet. I'm willing to bet there are literally thousands of pilots in the 'verse who like like the idea of some space of their own, a station or two to dock in, moons to mine, anolomies to anomolise, and fiesty neighbours to hone their combat skills against.
Karn shrugs
Maybe I'm wrong, it wouldn't be the first time, but that's my best guess for the future and it' what I'm working towards.
Whats really intersting to me though, is what we of Ushra'Khan do next. When the time comes that we can put aside Providence for the first time in 3 or more years and make war on a new front.
Interesting times we live in ...
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Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.03.10 10:43:00 -
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Yes.
A world of our own.
That no-one else can share....
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Karn Mithralia
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.10 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 10/03/2010 10:59:26
OK Xina I'll bite, 'though I'm wondering how many more ways I can say this.
No you haven't seen this before, Providence is unique in New Eden and will remain so. You state your guesses as facts, I have to say woman, you lack imagination.
Under CVA's rule Providence was roamed daily by hunters looking for prey, that didn't seem to stop the CVA isk machine pulling it in, or the people of Providence building station after station in a gluttony of expansionist zeal.
It's my expereince that an alliance worth their salt really doesn't give a rats ass if they get roaming gangs in their space, and the better ones appreciate it as it weeds the lazy and stupid from their ranks.
I'm willing to bet that coalitions will forge agreements to allow safe passage in and out, you will notice perhaps who has moved on the gateway systems?
Maybe not.
Karn shrugs
I am simply giving you a vision - my vision - one that I share with my brothers. And I'm holding it up here on this summit to stand against the naysayers and sourgrapers to say: there is an alternative to the rule of the slaver, the rule of the sheperd over the sheep.
And we intend to bring it.
Edit: Dang you post too quick for me girl - we fully intend to share it, just not with your or ya slaver mates. Do you think I'm insane enough to want 50 stations 
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Vincent Death
Hyasyoda External Security Trade and Development
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Posted - 2010.03.10 11:07:00 -
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The difference is, pilot, that at least the CVA would mobilise some response. When you are in the pockets of the largest aggressor and have publicly stated that you will not agress or oppose them if they continue their Providence raids then it makes a neutral observer like myself wonder how you can claim to be bringing any level of security to the region at all.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.03.10 11:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Havohej
There is no such thing as a neutral Providence resident. If you have been a resident of Amarrian Occupied Providence, docking in the Holders' stations, giving them your ISK and minerals in the form of docking fees and refining/reprocessing taxes, you have been supporting the slavers' regime.
If there is no such thing as a neutral resident, there also cannot be a thing such as NRDS, don't you agree?
Either a resident is red or it is blue? If you're not my friend you must be my enemy?
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.03.10 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Karn Mithralia
Should U'K be successful in establishing our vision in Providence - and that with full acknowledgement there is no way we can do it alone - then the cluster will see something it hasnĘt seen before. A region that one alliance doesnĘt claim ownership over, that is inhabited by numerous smaller alliances, all free to set their own standings as they see fit, all willing to look after themselves as they need.
Perhaps we should apply this to general society as well? All cities inhabited by numerous small gangs, all free to set their own rules and laws as they see fit, all willing to look after themselves as they need. The cluster would see an anarchy of robber barons with the powerful dictating terms to the weaker.
How did it come you abandoned your own ideals for the shallow, hypocritical and unworkable Star Fraction ones?
Freedom for the powerful to oppress the weak. Freedom from all laws and accountability. Freedom to be killed on the whim.
You should be fortunate that stations cannot be destroyed as dictated by Concord, otherwise they would be in a matter of weeks before 50 stations would be reduced to 5.
Anarchists cannot build, they can only destroy.
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Tharrn
Amarr
Epitoth Fleet Yards
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Posted - 2010.03.10 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Death
The difference is, pilot, that at least the CVA would mobilise some response. When you are in the pockets of the largest aggressor and have publicly stated that you will not agress or oppose them if they continue their Providence raids then it makes a neutral observer like myself wonder how you can claim to be bringing any level of security to the region at all.
They don't. The plan is 'we don't care about Providence as we are fattening in Catch - here, random small entity, take a system and police it yourself. Good luck and good bye'.
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mrmooo
Caldari
Pentag Blade
Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.10 11:23:00 -
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UK NRDS to try and simplify it
NRDS will not apply to any space that UK have sov over as they cannot enforce it against their NBSI freinds. So whilst UK may be NRDS their space wont be
Practical result is that a UK Providence will be NBSI and be part of the SC napfest
Personally I couldnt give a monkeys as to how UK run their space as it wont effect me
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Butter Dog
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.10 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 10/03/2010 11:52:00
Originally by: edeity
How UK would ever enforce anything once AAA diverts attention elsewhere is one of the great mysteries of life that gives rise to religion and expressions of faith.
Yes yes, however will we defend our stations from CVA's lowsec ~wolfpax~
Here is a hint: the only people who will be rebasing to lowsec and fighting for honour will be the hardcore zealots within CVA. Most of the alliance, and all of the holders, won't be doing such things - they will either switch sides, move to greener pastures, or just failurecascade like AM and LFA.
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zoolkhan
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.10 12:41:00 -
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In the end of the day.
Why not wait and see what really happens.
The inevitable will come. As soon slavery has been extinguished in providence
our task has been completed, our 5+ year lasting war could be over.
Maybe we send a number of pilots back home to metropolis and heimatar
while leaving just enough troops in providence to beat down any potential
new slaver ambitions that may be created in some pervert slaver brain.
While those bystanders continue to rub their pig skin on what is the u'k Oak.
"omg omg, i may be shot at... " as their central petty pathetic concern, whereas it should
rather sound "In the fight for freedom, where can i enlist?"
I can only pity the soil that you pollute with your foosteps.
Ushra'khan focusses on the slaver issue, it has always been that way
it remains that way.
If you want a police, please meet the concord officials ... and brbe them enough,
theyre known to be open to such things. At least that system worked well for the Amarr
for quiet a while.
recruiting -forum
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Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2010.03.10 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
If there is no such thing as a neutral resident, there also cannot be a thing such as NRDS, don't you agree?
Either a resident is red or it is blue? If you're not my friend you must be my enemy?
You're barking up the wrong tree, I'm afraid. Du'uma Fiisi is not a proponent of the NRDS RoE outside of Minmatar space, where we will give people the benefit of the doubt as long as they're not a member of the Amarr, Caldari or Gallente militias.
Before you ask, Du'uma Fiisi does not regard the Gallente Federation or its militia as natural allies of the Minmatar people in the same way that the Republic government does. In fact, we do not view the Republic government as natural allies of the Minmatar people for that matter.
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Tharrn
Amarr
Epitoth Fleet Yards
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Posted - 2010.03.10 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: zoolkhan
The inevitable will come. As soon slavery has been extinguished in providence
our task has been completed, our 5+ year lasting war could be over.
That would be convenient, wouldn't it? The war in Providence will not be over anytime soon - so much I can promise as a lowly grunt.
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Padaxes
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.10 12:48:00 -
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Edited by: Padaxes on 10/03/2010 12:49:13
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Ironic they think they are bringing freedom, but the resault is the complete reverse.
The freedom of capsuleers to roam wherever they will is not really of any interest to me. The freedom of the millions of Minmatar living in slavery is. A pod pilot who is vexed because he might get shot in a region of space is still free, and indeed more privileged than any mortal could dream of, let alone one who has been born into forced indenture.
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.10 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: mrmooo
NRDS will not apply to any space that UK have sov over as they cannot enforce it against their NBSI freinds.
I don't think you understand what NRDS is. You don't enforce it on others, you operate it yourself.
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Kommander Keen
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Posted - 2010.03.10 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Borza Slavak
Originally by: mrmooo
NRDS will not apply to any space that UK have sov over as they cannot enforce it against their NBSI freinds.
I don't think you understand what NRDS is. You don't enforce it on others, you operate it yourself.
I don't think you at UK understand how NRDS is understood by most space pilots nowadays, sir. This is the reason why your version of "NRDS" will fail. Your idea of NRDS died years ago and nobody wants it back, no matter how much you try to advertise it. :p |
Butter Dog
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.10 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kommander Keen
I don't think you at UK understand how NRDS is understood by most space pilots nowadays, sir. This is the reason why your version of "NRDS" will fail. Your idea of NRDS died years ago and nobody wants it back, no matter how much you try to advertise it. :p
No, it's only clueless CVA pets who think NRDS does not mean 'Not Red Don't Shoot' and applies as an ROE to alliances who elect to adopt it.
Time for your re-education.
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Mazca Lopez
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.03.10 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Velonei Vinnitsa
Star Fraction are working with outsiders like AAA and Atlas Alliance who are have NBSI policy.
The Star Fraction, is red to -A- and Atlas.
We have not and will not attack neutrals in Providence or anywhere else in accordance with our ROE.
Regards
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Carolyn Siward
Minmatar
Amarres Eunt Domus
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Posted - 2010.03.10 13:58:00 -
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Act, or do not. Make a decision. Decisions are what make people alive.
The tales were, that people go to Providence, learn things, form organisations, go elswehere. Such was the way of things.
CVA made a decision, they acted. Things changed. That is the way of things. But they made a decision. Unlike others who ask others, or consult things. Decisiveness is what makes things live. Or die.
Living or dying does not matter, as long as you act.
Providence may be different in future. People will still go there, learn things, go elsewhere. The learning will be different to before. New people go, learn, live, what do they do then?
People say Old power blocks become unassailable by new ones, as new ones are crushed in infancy, without old Providence that was.
People say other things too.
Old power blocks, without new ones to keep them alive, crystallise. Crystals shatter. They die. Such things happen.
Does that matter? Things change. Others stay the same. Such is the way of things.
Act, or do not act. Decide for yourself.
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Kommander Keen
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Posted - 2010.03.10 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Kommander Keen
I don't think you at UK understand how NRDS is understood by most space pilots nowadays, sir. This is the reason why your version of "NRDS" will fail. Your idea of NRDS died years ago and nobody wants it back, no matter how much you try to advertise it. :p
No, it's only clueless CVA pets who think NRDS does not mean 'Not Red Don't Shoot' and applies as an ROE to alliances who elect to adopt it.
Time for your re-education.
Time to realize how things are working nowadays. Your NRDS is in no way better than NBSI, because you don't care about the diplomatic hassles required to maintain a region wide NRDS policy. I get shot by a neutral in "your" area, nobody cares. I get shot by a neutral in CVA territory, next time the aggressor is red to me. Not to mention being blue with UK & Friends will never happen.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.03.10 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Havohej
You're barking up the wrong tree, I'm afraid. Du'uma Fiisi is not a proponent of the NRDS RoE outside of Minmatar space, where we will give people the benefit of the doubt as long as they're not a member of the Amarr, Caldari or Gallente militias.
Not at all. Also, there is no such thing as 'Minmatar space', do you mean the systems with Republic sovereignity perhaps? Is Minmatar space each solar system with a single Minmatar? Basically you are saying that you consider everyone that doesn't live in your home an enemy. What would you do outside Republic space if Concord and sentry guns were removed?
Originally by: Havohej
Before you ask, Du'uma Fiisi does not regard the Gallente Federation or its militia as natural allies of the Minmatar people in the same way that the Republic government does. In fact, we do not view the Republic government as natural allies of the Minmatar people for that matter.
Natural allies. Curious term. How do you define 'natural' allies exactly? Are you a natural ally of the Minmatar people?
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.10 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kommander Keen
Your NRDS is in no way better than NBSI
So if we don't shoot neutrals that's just as bad as if we do shoot neutrals?
Right.
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NEMESIS SIN
Method In Khaos
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Posted - 2010.03.10 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn
In other words: anarchy. There would be no policing at all, no protection, no organization. You can't fool all the small freelancers and entrepeneurs into thinking that there would be any semblance of security in 'your' Providence. It would be a deserted region like Catch, as it's basically SWYW - shoot what you want, when you want.
That's truely fine 'vision' you have there.
Wait, so your saying CVA policed its own space? I seem to recall gangs of want-to-be pets supplementing 90% of the defensive forces in the region.
I think Ushra`Khan can manage that as well as CVA did.
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