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Leslie e'Evob Paramilitary Skanks	Posted - 2011.02.18 20:43:00 - [241] Originally by: Azelor Delaria You refuse to use the API for "cultural" reason, then insinuating you are lazy. I thought the "it's lazy" comment meant he thinks using API is the lazy person's way out of posting KMs...
Azelor Delaria Caldari Absinthe Brothers	Posted - 2011.02.18 21:12:00 - [242] Originally by: Leslie e'Evob Originally by: Azelor Delaria You refuse to use the API for "cultural" reason, then insinuating you are lazy. I thought the "it's lazy" comment meant he thinks using API is the lazy person's way out of posting KMs... Yeah, read the wrong word in the parenthesis. My apologies. But the basic premise still stands: You refuse to post your losses that will show, and reflect, on your stats on the main page. Why should anyone trust you? *** * * *** "No OPLAN ever survives first contact with the enemy."
Awesome Possum Gallente Isk Relocation Services	Posted - 2011.02.19 02:10:00 - [243] Originally by: Azelor Delaria I mean, that Tengu...? That was the worst f***ing failfit Tengu I think I have ever seen. And I've seen laser Tengus. You go for the shield boosting subsystem when the Adaptive Shielding subsystem would have been a better option. Hell, even the +10% shield HP/level subsystem would have been a better choice. Instead, you went for a suboptimal subsystem and got your ass handed to you. Then you use the ECM without the ECM subsystem. Pro. Hi there, after spending 5mins looking at Alek's mail and then looking at EFT, I'd like to give this one a shot. First, the defensive sub he chose, and the +10% hp sub were the only ones to give +2 med slots. Why he chose one over the other? Maybe he had the one and not the other. The ECM sub? gives +optimal/level, not strength. the sub he chose gives faster lock times, farther targeting range, and an extra low for more tank. it was a nice try, but well... no no it wasn't. ♥
Aerion Va'rr The Priesthood The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.02.19 02:17:00 - [244] Originally by: Azelor Delaria I mean, that Tengu...? That was the worst f*ing failfit Tengu I think I have ever seen. And I've seen laser Tengus. . I hear they make these ships called Falcons. Since you can fly a Tengu, and a Curse/Arazu, you obviously have Recon trained. I'd love to hear the reasoning for this abomination of a fit; since flying a recon would not only be more effective, but a helluva lot more cost effective. (Efficiency Brah). Love how you got the right Amarr Jammers, but use the T2 variant for the other 3 races (more fitting requirements, more cap required); and you charge ****ed amounts of money for contracts, and use tech 1, non-faction ammo. Or- did the Gallente Militia have a Rupture on the field? You primaried the Rupture didn't you?
Alekseyev Karrde Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.02.19 04:56:00 - [245] Originally by: Aerion Va'rr Originally by: Azelor Delaria I mean, that Tengu...? That was the worst f*ing failfit Tengu I think I have ever seen. And I've seen laser Tengus. . I hear they make these ships called Falcons. Since you can fly a Tengu, and a Curse/Arazu, you obviously have Recon trained. I'd love to hear the reasoning for this abomination of a fit; since flying a recon would not only be more effective, but a helluva lot more cost effective. (Efficiency Brah). Love how you got the right Amarr Jammers, but use the T2 variant for the other 3 races (more fitting requirements, more cap required); and you charge ****ed amounts of money for contracts, and use tech 1, non-faction ammo. Or- did the Gallente Militia have a Rupture on the field? You primaried the Rupture didn't you? It was an armor fleet and my armor falcon cant tank like a Sacrilege? As for the jammers, it's cap stable w all T2 so i picked whichever one was cheaper at the time. Efficiency brah ;) And i went w that sub sys because of all the + low slot ones it has a lower sig radius. That Tengu fit tanks like a champ, I'd fly it again and stand by it. ---
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.02.19 12:21:00 - [246] Edited by: Grimpak on 19/02/2011 12:22:23 Originally by: Azelor Delaria You refuse to post your losses that will show, and reflect, on your stats on the main page. Why should anyone trust you? so now we must make 1 month old shiplosses show up on the main page too? damn, I better ask Jared to show that embarassing armor curse loss of mine from 2009 to show up in the main page too use the damn search function. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
JC Anderson Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.02.19 13:46:00 - [247] I wanted to address a few things brought up in a previous post from the standpoint of a Noir grunt and not as a member of our leadership element. In my short time with Noir I have found the corp to be one of the most enjoyable to fly with, and yet also the most difficult and strict. There is no quarter given to pilots that fail to meet up to our standards, and even less to those that violate the bylaws they agreed to follow from day one. Our killboard and contract history, Our killboard only displays the current contract on the front page for the sake of simplicity and to make it easier for our current employer to check on our progress. We are on contract and getting paid at least 90% of our time, and it's much easier to gauge our performance on a contract by contract basis while using this KB stats method. The other reason for this is that Noir pilots are paid based on their kills and activity within contract while operating inside the contract area. Seeing as we do not get paid for incidental kills outside the scope of a contract, it would make payroll fairly difficult if we had to sort through a list of intermingled contract and non contract kills. You can see our total losses simply by clicking the contracts button on the top of the KB then selecting past contracts. None of this info is hidden and likewise it is available for anybody to check at any point in time. You can also just keep clicking previous week from the main page to see the stats on a week by week basis. This is why our KB's front page lists the current week in bold just above the stats corresponding to that week. That way, there is no confusion that the stats listed on the front page are from that week only. Though as I mentioned above, you can see our past kills/losses by cycling through them with the previous week button. While fair, Alek is extremely strict and not the easiest CEO to work under for the more casual of Eve players. With good reason, pilot's are booted from Noir with a frequency that may surprise anybody outside the corp. It is rare that anybody gets a second chance unless their offense is something extremely trivial. I only bring up the above point because of the mention that we may not post all of our loss mails. Not posting, or in any way hiding a loss mail is one of the things that can earn Noir pilots a one way ticket out of the corp. This is something that Alek is a real stickler on, and even goes as far as to encourage non Noir entities to bring any related concerns to his immediate intention. Any Noir pilot that is found to have intentionally hidden a loss will be dealt with appropriately. If you browse through our previous contracts you will find that the vast majority of them represent a stellar performance history. You will also find a few that for various reasons failed to meet up to the standards that Noir strives for. If we really wanted to hide our losses, or fabricate a fictional kill/loss ratio, then do you truly think we would leave those public for anybody to see? Hiding losses would stand in direct contrast with the ideals and esprit de corps mindset of all those who operate under the NMG banner. It is a practice that is shameful, and otherwise frowned upon by each and every one of my fellow Noir pilots. Our gang type specific ship fittings, That Tengu fit is tailored in specific to one of Noir's gang types. Falcons however do not meet the fitting requirements involved in this particular fleet composition. There are various reasons surrounding this choice of fitting, and I'm not sure if I am allowed to divulge them here on the forums. Though keep in mind that we do fly Falcons and in our more traditional gang types. And the same goes for Tengu's in terms of a more standardized fit.
Wai Ish'inre	Posted - 2011.02.19 15:05:00 - [248] Originally by: JC Anderson A whole lot of words to say: Blah Blah Blah, We're Not Api Verified Blah Blah Blah, We Don't Post Our Losses ALL the Time.
JC Anderson Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.02.19 15:51:00 - [249] No we post all our losses.... But on the front page you only see the current weeks kills/losses. If somebody is going to post accusations and not bother reading my post explaining certain things, then oh well. shug
Wai Ish'inre	Posted - 2011.02.19 17:00:00 - [250] Originally by: JC Anderson Edited by: JC Anderson on 19/02/2011 16:00:41 No we post all our losses.... But on the front page you only see the current weeks kills/losses. If somebody is going to post accusations and not bother reading my post explaining certain things, then oh well. shug As for being API verified... I was wondering why Alek was asking on vent last night how he would go about setting up the API verification on our KB. Then I saw this thread and figured this must be why. We had a fairly old version KB until only a few weeks ago. Just saying, I find it rather humorous that Noir.; a group that thinks so highly of themselves hasn't done this already, yet feels the need to post podcasts pointing out the faults of others. Having a Non-API Verified Killboard makes anything you say easily discreditable, and until it is verified (kills AND losses) how does a client actually know what he or she is paying for? The ruthless slaughter of ones contracted enemy should be as efficient and as unenjoyable as possible for the mark. I don't care how you display your contract info, but if its not verified its entirely subjective to how NMG. wants it to look, and can easily be tailored to follow this idea.

Ifly Uwalk Caldari Empire Tax Collection Agency	Posted - 2011.02.19 17:43:00 - [251] faceless alt is faceless
Lana Lotts	Posted - 2011.02.19 17:45:00 - [252] This is the reason why most people dont really take Noir. seriously. No API = fail.
Wai Ish'inre	Posted - 2011.02.19 20:06:00 - [253] Originally by: Ifly Uwalk faceless alt is faceless The powers that be didn't want to listen to a certain member of Noir. ***** and moan.
Hallan Turrek Caldari Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.02.19 20:44:00 - [254] A corp such as Noir. has many enemies, of course. There wouldn't be a need for anonymity(or obvious sock puppeting) if you weren't a party Noir. was hired to hit in the past. Go back to the shadows. As former leadership in Noir, I can attest that posting every killmail/lossmail is a duty and requirement. You do it or you get kicked, there are no other options. Honestly, as someone who's been in both types of corps, I find the culture inherent to API verified killboards appalling. There's something more worthy about posting your own losses rather than having something do it for you. Regardless, this is Noir, hire them and stuff. You will not be disappointed. ________________________________________ A merry life and a short one shall be my motto. Bartholomew Roberts Check out my blog.
The PitBoss Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.02.19 21:10:00 - [255] Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde Attention duelists! My hair draws your attention to the fact our alliance logo is finally in the game! Or at least it's on EVE Gate and will be in the game shortly. Only took six petitions over the course of a year and half.. It is awesome ... congrats Thank-You, The Pitboss Signatures by: Kalen Vox
Nexty Pwnt Gallente Dark Shadow Industries Sev3rance	Posted - 2011.02.19 23:02:00 - [256] Gratz on logo guys shameless bump for a great group my alter ego bono says "come pew rvb again "
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.02.20 16:31:00 - [257] Edited by: Grimpak on 20/02/2011 16:31:51 Originally by: Lana Lotts This is the reason why most people dont really take Noir. seriously. indeed. after all, we're not good enough to even some guy get a domain to express his love to us anyway. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Fifinella Caldari Nosferatu Security Foundation	Posted - 2011.02.21 06:30:00 - [258] Edited by: Fifinella on 21/02/2011 06:30:31 Originally by: Grimpak indeed. after all, we're not good enough to even some guy get a domain to express his love to us anyway. edit: gooddamn CCP's censorship Here you go. :)
Vonqueesha Shenaynay Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.21 07:29:00 - [259] I came here for ****posting and was not let down.
Lana Lotts	Posted - 2011.02.21 12:00:00 - [260] Originally by: Hallan Turrek As former leadership in Noir, I can attest that posting every killmail/lossmail is a duty and requirement. You do it or you get kicked, there are no other options. Honestly, as someone who's been in both types of corps, I find the culture inherent to API verified killboards appalling. There's something more worthy about posting your own losses rather than having something do it for you. This is a troll, right? I mean, no one can say this and get away with it..... Noir. doesnt use API-killboards. Theyre afraid. End of story.

Fifinella Caldari Nosferatu Security Foundation	Posted - 2011.02.21 14:25:00 - [261] Originally by: Lana Lotts Noir. doesnt use API-killboards. Theyre afraid. End of story. End of your interpretation of the story. For someone using an alt to post on the forums, you're pretty brave talking about fear. One thing I doubt Noir. isn't afraid of is forum alts whining because they got whupped by Noir. in the past. Now is the time for you to devastate Noir.'s morale by pointing them to any losses they haven't posted. I'll hold my breath until you do.
Lana Lotts	Posted - 2011.02.21 14:28:00 - [262] Edited by: Lana Lotts on 21/02/2011 14:32:27 None of my chars have ever been killed by a Noir. pilot. Im just stating the obvious; No API-verified killboard equals scared of showing losses/fail fits. Most people know this. There are no reasons not to have a killboard API-verified. Come on, a merc-killboard without API is pretty much a worthless Killboard. P
Fifinella Caldari Nosferatu Security Foundation	Posted - 2011.02.21 14:49:00 - [263] Originally by: Lana Lotts None of my chars have ever been killed by a Noir. pilot. Of course not. And obviously you know several people who's Noir. kills have gone unposted. Originally by: Lana Lotts Im just stating the obvious; No API-verified killboard equals scared of showing losses/fail fits. Like the ones discussed in, let's see, oh right; In the previous page of this very thread? Originally by: Lana Lotts Most people know this. There are no reasons not to have a killboard API-verified. Come on, a merc-killboard without API is pretty much a worthless Killboard. Again, people have given reasons not to use API in this very thread. You might not like the reasons, or think they're good reasons, but they're still reasons. A merc corporation that doesn't use API verification on their killboard, yet is not inundated in failfit/lolloss postings on these forums, seems to be doing something right. Do you seriously doubt for a minute that if Noir. failed to post losses, they wouldn't be beset upon by their current/past butthurt targets pointing out each one in excruciating detail? I'd say not using API is actually a very good accounting practice for a merc corp. Their reputation being one of their most important assets, non-API KB forces them to stay honest to the T, or face the consequences.
Lana Lotts	Posted - 2011.02.21 15:05:00 - [264] Originally by: Fifinella Originally by: Lana Lotts None of my chars have ever been killed by a Noir. pilot. Of course not. And obviously you know several people who's Noir. kills have gone unposted. Originally by: Lana Lotts Im just stating the obvious; No API-verified killboard equals scared of showing losses/fail fits. Like the ones discussed in, let's see, oh right; In the previous page of this very thread? Originally by: Lana Lotts Most people know this. There are no reasons not to have a killboard API-verified. Come on, a merc-killboard without API is pretty much a worthless Killboard. Again, people have given reasons not to use API in this very thread. You might not like the reasons, or think they're good reasons, but they're still reasons. A merc corporation that doesn't use API verification on their killboard, yet is not inundated in failfit/lolloss postings on these forums, seems to be doing something right. Do you seriously doubt for a minute that if Noir. failed to post losses, they wouldn't be beset upon by their current/past butthurt targets pointing out each one in excruciating detail? I'd say not using API is actually a very good accounting practice for a merc corp. Their reputation being one of their most important assets, non-API KB forces them to stay honest to the T, or face the consequences. Thanks for your insightful post on why Noir. doesnt have API-killboard. Basically what youre saying in the end is (and im not putting words in your mouth) Noir. does not post losses because their most valuable asset is the reputation. Fair enough, so it is a game of deception to get jobs which does not reflect their current level of competence. Im okay with that. But you saying this forces them to stay honest to the T, is so laughable not even Karl Pilkington would dare to say anything remotely close to that. API-verified killboard is the only way to show your clients how the war is actually going. Its respecting your clients, and showing them they get bang for the bucks. Im sure they have had happy clients before, but its deceptive. If youre afraid of giving intel, hide the systems where kills/losses have occured. Based on what you said it is becoming more clear that Noir. bases their operation on keeping up with appearances than with how they are actually performing.
Fifinella Caldari Nosferatu Security Foundation	Posted - 2011.02.21 15:22:00 - [265] Originally by: Lana Lotts TBasically what youre saying... No. Basically what you're saying I'm saying is not what I'm saying.
Lana Lotts	Posted - 2011.02.21 15:33:00 - [266] Originally by: Fifinella Originally by: Lana Lotts TBasically what youre saying... No. Basically what you're saying I'm saying is not what I'm saying. Interesting. Noir. does not post losses since this may conflict with their reputation. Got it.
Aerion Va'rr The Priesthood The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.02.21 16:43:00 - [267] Originally by: Fifinella stuff I think not having an API Verified Killboard as well as not being API Verified on Eve-Kill.net or Battleclinic is denying the client who is paying you to kill people the transparency in what they are getting for their money. I can see Alek's idea behind making it mandatory to post your losses under heavy dire consequences if you don't post your losses, but this isn't an honorable game to begin with. Saying you are 100% accountable for your corp mates is damn near shooting yourself in the foot. Lying and Stealing have become a norm in this game, and I personally believe it promotes a hypocrisy on the side of Noir.. Claiming to be the best in the business and proving it are hardly the same thing. Reasons not to do something or prove something might be just in the eyes of you and yours but to everyone else it just looks like an excuse. Present the Facts or present nothing. I'm actually surprised that a group of Mercs as involved in the community isn't API verified; as much as they like to throw their opinions around about everyone else in the Merc. community.
Shasz Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression	Posted - 2011.02.21 17:53:00 - [268] Originally by: Trolls! Accusations, ass-umptions, no proof ...quite funny. If Noir. had any problem getting clients or a poor reputation with those clients, this might be worth arguing about. As it is, your trolling just serves to bump their thread with your jealousy, butthurt and fail accusations. Well done :) Friendly bump for the day... LITERALLY! :) ___________________________________
Awesome Possum Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo	Posted - 2011.02.21 18:09:00 - [269] Originally by: Aerion Va'rr This is where I try to sound intelligent. Thank you for those lovely paragraphs, complete with lack of proof. ♥
Pistrik Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.02.21 18:22:00 - [270] Edited by: Pistrik on 21/02/2011 18:22:08 Originally by: Aerion Va'rr Originally by: Fifinella stuff I think not having an API Verified Killboard as well as not being API Verified on Eve-Kill.net or Battleclinic is denying the client who is paying you to kill people the transparency in what they are getting for their money. I can see Alek's idea behind making it mandatory to post your losses under heavy dire consequences if you don't post your losses, but this isn't an honorable game to begin with. Saying you are 100% accountable for your corp mates is damn near shooting yourself in the foot. Lying and Stealing have become a norm in this game, and I personally believe it promotes a hypocrisy on the side of Noir.. Claiming to be the best in the business and proving it are hardly the same thing. Reasons not to do something or prove something might be just in the eyes of you and yours but to everyone else it just looks like an excuse. Present the Facts or present nothing. I'm actually surprised that a group of Mercs as involved in the community isn't API verified; as much as they like to throw their opinions around about everyone else in the Merc. community. I both stopped reading as well as caring at that point right there. Battleclinic can and never will be taken seriously, considering it's record of people posting fake killmails that were "API Verified". Pitboss, I really expected better. Thought you had a better control on the stupidity of some of your members.



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