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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2012.07.04 22:50:00 -
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Drakarin wrote:J'Poll wrote:Why would you probe a station that is ALWAYS on your overview in system. Hmm? Player owned stations are not, those are established full NPC stations.
You're confusing a Player owned starbase and an Outpost (a player owned station). |
Ione Hawke
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2012.07.04 22:51:00 -
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Drakarin wrote:Hmm? Player owned stations are not, those are established full NPC stations.
* Stations are always on the overview.
* POSses (or Player Owned Structures) are not.
You can dock in NPC stations (like Blood raider once in Delve), but likely wont be able to in player controlled stations. Usually you need good standing with the controlling alliance.
POSses are towers that are constructed on moons to do all kinds of stuff, like for example mining moon minerals. They shoot at you if they dont like you. :)
edit: ... iam so slow |
Natalia Alduin
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.07.05 04:38:00 -
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Signal11th wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Signal11th wrote:Unfortunately repeated nerfs to 0.0 have made alot of the systems worthless and not really worth renting. Unless you can get a corp full of miners in a -0.1 system. Unfortunately though, most of them won't leave highsec. And the irony being at the moment is that it's probably alot safer for them in 0.0 than it is in high-sec.
Sorry, just getting into this, but what defenses are in place in low/nullsec for miners? Isn't a hulk a mining ship, and not a combat ship? Mining in highsec you can at least tank out your hulk and survive long enough for CONCORD to help you, but in low/nullsec even with a tanked hulk aren't you pretty much screwed anyway? |
Lost Greybeard
Fenrir's Dogs of War
Union 0f Revolution
108
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Posted - 2012.07.05 06:20:00 -
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Natalia Alduin wrote:Sorry, just getting into this, but what defenses are in place in low/nullsec for miners? Isn't a hulk a mining ship, and not a combat ship? Mining in highsec you can at least tank out your hulk and survive long enough for CONCORD to help you, but in low/nullsec even with a tanked hulk aren't you pretty much screwed anyway?
It's not terribly difficult to play conservatively with nullsec mining. Watch local, when someone from a corp/alliance you know to be hostile or don't know comes into the system, dock up or otherwise fall back to a defensible position (inside a PoS shield, for instance). Same principle in lowsec.
If you want to be able to mine whenever the hell you want, obviously you need to set up an active defense, i.e. have other players in system / in fleet to come blow up someone that tries to kill you if they try anything. Note that you'll typically want your defenders on-grid and far enough away from you that a bomb won't hit both you and them at the same time. You'll also still want to watch local to know if more attackers are coming into the system and be prepared to flee.
Your biggest danger in terms of region is going to be low sec, where you don't have any big alliances backing you up or defense against things like hot drops. In null you're both probably going to be a member of an alliance that can defend you and you're simply less likely to see anyone else in your system if you pick a decently out of the way one. |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars
Ethereal Dawn
333
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Posted - 2012.07.05 08:09:00 -
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Natalia Alduin wrote:Signal11th wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Signal11th wrote:Unfortunately repeated nerfs to 0.0 have made alot of the systems worthless and not really worth renting. Unless you can get a corp full of miners in a -0.1 system. Unfortunately though, most of them won't leave highsec. And the irony being at the moment is that it's probably alot safer for them in 0.0 than it is in high-sec. Sorry, just getting into this, but what defenses are in place in low/nullsec for miners? Isn't a hulk a mining ship, and not a combat ship? Mining in highsec you can at least tank out your hulk and survive long enough for CONCORD to help you, but in low/nullsec even with a tanked hulk aren't you pretty much screwed anyway?
Null-sec is safer in this way:
You have blue standings with friends. You have no standings or negative standings with anybody who is not your friend. So judging from local you can quickly see. It's either blue and (likely) won't shoot you or it isn't blue and will kill you, no middle way.
Also null-sec alliances have intel channels for their space / region, so likely you know well in advance an enemy fleet is on it's way to you.
High-sec:
Local over about 40, means it's Possible that at least 1 (or more) of those 40 people are out there to suicide gank you. But you don't know for sure if they are. Those 40 people could be all miners, those 40 people could all leave you alone but those 40 people could also be a fleet looking to kill miners.
That's why null-sec is safer to mine, it's more clear what is your friend and what is not.
Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á
If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it.
We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Itis Zhellin
Zass Proteus Logistik
Northern Associates.
11
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Posted - 2012.07.05 10:58:00 -
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Null sec mining is not safer. There are rats in the belts and they are dangerous. No way for afk mining in null even if your all alone in the system/region. You have to stay aligned to you POS and constantly check the local, intel chat and the overview panel. You see a neutral in local or a red spot on the overview panel, you jump. Even if that neutral is just a newbie passing by and exploring the eve universe :) |
Ione Hawke
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2012.07.05 11:35:00 -
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Rats are completly predictable, so not dangerous. If you fail to prepare for that that just means you are being stupid. |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars
Ethereal Dawn
334
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:58:00 -
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Itis Zhellin wrote:Null sec mining is not safer. There are rats in the belts and they are dangerous. No way for afk mining in null even if your all alone in the system/region. You have to stay aligned to you POS and constantly check the local, intel chat and the overview panel. You see a neutral in local or a red spot on the overview panel, you jump. Even if that neutral is just a newbie passing by and exploring the eve universe :)
Hahahaha. Another person who knows nothing about nullsec mining.
Rats in nullsec can easily be tanked even with a mining ship.
And you can go afk if you do it properly (ask your mining buddy to warp you to safety etc.)
Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á
If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it.
We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Sin Pew
Dakini Rising
The Kali Cartel
81
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Posted - 2012.07.05 13:25:00 -
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Itis Zhellin wrote:Null sec mining is not safer. There are rats in the belts and they are dangerous. No way for afk mining in null even if your all alone in the system/region. You have to stay aligned to you POS and constantly check the local, intel chat and the overview panel. You see a neutral in local or a red spot on the overview panel, you jump. Even if that neutral is just a newbie passing by and exploring the eve universe :) Man, that's really horrible, must be a stressful life, at least in our wormhole, there's good chances I won't see anything until the visitor lands on grid and start shooting my covetor, but hey, ABC ores quickly cover the cost of the boat so I can fit for yield and not bother with tanking, really less stressing and I can also watch movies while I mine.
"- You want a sandwich, Bacon?"
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Itis Zhellin
Zass Proteus Logistik
Northern Associates.
11
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:28:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:....
Hahahaha. Another person who knows nothing about nullsec mining.
Rats in nullsec can easily be tanked even with a mining ship.
And you can go afk if you do it properly (ask your mining buddy to warp you to safety etc.)
I was talking about solo mining. Also my arguing skills are at level 0, so I stop here and dock.
/jump |
Drakarin
Omnitech Corporation
Wonder Kids
12
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:13:00 -
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Well now I feel like an idiot. That's eve for you though, not sure how I never heard about actual stations you can dock at which players can build but there you go. This is only in sov null sec though that I hear, not NPC null sec. |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars
Ethereal Dawn
337
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Posted - 2012.07.06 07:34:00 -
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Itis Zhellin wrote:J'Poll wrote:....
Hahahaha. Another person who knows nothing about nullsec mining.
Rats in nullsec can easily be tanked even with a mining ship.
And you can go afk if you do it properly (ask your mining buddy to warp you to safety etc.)
I was talking about solo mining. Also my arguing skills are at level 0, so I stop here and dock. /jump
When solo mining, then I really agree you can't go AFK (or you can and wake up with the notification you need to update your clone)
Still leaves that you can tank the rats, so rats aren't really the problem. Other players can be.
Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á
If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it.
We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars
Ethereal Dawn
337
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Posted - 2012.07.06 07:36:00 -
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Drakarin wrote:Well now I feel like an idiot. That's eve for you though, not sure how I never heard about actual stations you can dock at which players can build but there you go. This is only in sov null sec though that I hear, not NPC null sec.
Pick any station in a SOV null-sec region and set course to it. 99.5% of the times you won't be able to dock.
NPC null-sec has NPC stations and is NPC controlled (hence then name NPC null-sec).
SOV null-sec has player build outposts and conquerable stations. Both which the controller can set rules on about docking, station tax etc. etc.
Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á
If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it.
We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Breezly Brewin
Vril Metaphysics Society
30
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Posted - 2012.07.07 16:57:00 -
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wormhole space can get pretty exciting once you start poking about in other peoples holes. i'd say of all the holes i've been into and probed theres about 1/3 to 1/4 chance someone will be waiting for me at the exit WH. not using situational awareness, a cloak and MWD and diving/probing into multiple holes WILL get you killed. |
Raistlim
Deep Space Supplies
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
3
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Posted - 2012.07.08 19:52:00 -
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You could visit Providence. All Stations here are free to use for everyone unless he has proven himself to be hostile.
It might be wise to check yourself / your corp / your alliance in this little tool before travelling to Provi. |
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