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Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2010.03.16 02:22:00 - [31] Originally by: M'ktakh Ah, Caprica, the ~2030 looking sequel for the show that did not have any advanced weapons, and yet had artificial gravity. Perhaps the colonials figured that firing phasers at chrome-plated centurions would be a bad idea. Alternatively, suspension of disbelief. Also, baltar was awesome in at least the first two seasons, which suggests you should be slapped _____________________ Horrors! Demons in the deep!
Irida Mershkov Gallente Capsuleers of Doom	Posted - 2010.03.16 02:26:00 - [32] Originally by: M'ktakh Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: M'ktakh Ah, Caprica, the ~2030 looking sequel for the show that did not have any advanced weapons, and yet had artificial gravity. getting caught up in technobabble to explain everything is done already, watch star trek for that. BSG ignored it completely and imo the show was better for it. I was rather trying to point out the internal inconsistency of this. You know, verisimilitude is essential to any storyarc and setting. It's used to keep it relative to the setting. A post-apocalyptic sci-fi setting that BSG was set on wouldn't really work as well with lasers and shielding along-side anti-grav.
M'ktakh	Posted - 2010.03.16 08:39:00 - [33] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Also, baltar was awesome in at least the first two seasons, which suggests you should be slapped Baltar? The guy who ghost****ed a preachy skeletal Cylon every opportunity he got, and yet noone seemed to even mind? Baltar, the guy who was more slimy than ten snails? Awesome? Are you fraking high?
TimMc Gallente Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2010.03.16 10:06:00 - [34] Edited by: TimMc on 16/03/2010 10:08:41 Originally by: RedClaws Originally by: TimMc Also whole plots being changed because they didn't have the budget etc. Eh? Can you elaborate? There are many examples, but one I just watched was Eye of Jupiter. Originally in that episode they were going to find some ruins and find a whole city buried underground. Then kali (edit: cally ops) was going to fall through the floor into the temple. Too expensive so they swapped to the mystical thing with Tyrol being drawn to a single temple in a cave (which was constructed in the same warehouse they used for the storage facility in the miniseries). Now thats not a huge change, sometimes they are bigger but often they aren't that big. Most of the time they cut corners with reusing digital scenes. He also said that they destroyed the pegasus so they had stage space for the cylon baseship.
Vogue Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.16 12:30:00 - [35] To me Baltar was a fantastic character. Jamie Bamber (Apollo) said that James Callis (Baltar) added a lot to the character that was just not there in the first scripts. Baltar is many contradictory things in one character. And to me the whole character worked really well.
Gunfugue	Posted - 2010.03.16 12:44:00 - [36] Does this show have spaceships in it also? I only watched bsg for the spaceship explosions. As far as 'advanced weapony' goes, real spaceships would not use energy weapons, and probably would use 'guns' and missiles. They are just more efficient, your weapons dont go down if your main energy source takes damage, it just makes better sense.
Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2010.03.16 16:25:00 - [37] Originally by: M'ktakh Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Also, baltar was awesome in at least the first two seasons, which suggests you should be slapped Baltar? The guy who ghost***ed a preachy skeletal Cylon every opportunity he got, and yet noone seemed to even mind? Baltar, the guy who was more slimy than ten snails? Awesome? Are you fraking high? Baltar was definitely one of the best characters on the show. Particularly because* of all his unpleasant peculiarities and weaknesses. Also almost everyone seemed to hate him so one has to wonder to what you are reffing when you claim otherwise. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Irida Mershkov Gallente Capsuleers of Doom	Posted - 2010.03.16 16:53:00 - [38] Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 16/03/2010 16:53:28 Originally by: M'ktakh Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Also, baltar was awesome in at least the first two seasons, which suggests you should be slapped Baltar? The guy who ghost****ed a preachy skeletal Cylon every opportunity he got, and yet noone seemed to even mind? Baltar, the guy who was more slimy than ten snails? Awesome? Are you fraking high? Made him the better character tbfh. Edit: behind Tigh.
Kijo Rikki Caldari Swarm of Angry Bees	Posted - 2010.03.16 17:33:00 - [39] I loved BSG with all mah heart. The first two seasons were phenomenal, I felt they lost some steam going into season 3 that probably had alot to do with the writers strike. Season 4 was better than 3 and 5 was better than 4 although the story didn't end quite like I'd imagine it would have. A few notes: BSG intentionally used antiquated equipment and furniture to convey more realism to the average viewer. Or more accurately, create a connection, so to speak. In my opinion it was alot more believable than Star Trek, aside from cylons, jump drives and battlestars the technology is something we can all understand (spacecraft carriers, believable. Fighters they obviously worked hard to show how they fight in real space physics, believable. Firing standard ammunition? very believable. Nukes...believable.) I feel they made point to point space jumping their method because it doesnt require alot of explanation, it just happens and when no script is written to explain it, it just seems natural and doesnt weigh the story down in geeky technobabble. Make no mistake: BSG was a daytime soap set in space, and managed to fool major space geeks into watching a thoroughly disguised girly show. Now for Caprica: I watched a few minutes of it but did not stay. Without space pew pew and awesome shots of battlestars my interest in watching daytime soaps instantly wanes. > WHILE SIG<AWESOME DO LOOP there is no escape from my crappy sig.
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2010.03.16 17:44:00 - [40] Originally by: M'ktakh Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Also, baltar was awesome in at least the first two seasons, which suggests you should be slapped Baltar? The guy who ghost****ed a preachy skeletal Cylon every opportunity he got, and yet noone seemed to even mind? Baltar, the guy who was more slimy than ten snails? Awesome? Are you fraking high? He was interesting and well-portrayed, although he wasn't obviously a beacon of moral leadership. Besides, they didn't know he was having hot invisible angel sex now did they? _____________________ Horrors! Demons in the deep!
Alex V0X2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.03.16 21:08:00 - [41] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Besides, they didn't know he was having hot invisible angel sex now did they? Erm I remember some of the crew walking in on him and he was like oshi-. But yea no one really knew about the invisible cylon.
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2010.03.17 19:40:00 - [42] OK ... here's the thing. With BSG they had excellent actors and acting, excellent special effects (which counts for a lot with me) and a bizarre script. Utterly bizarre. Half the damn crew seemed to end up being Cylons and both the humans and the cylons spent more time fighting amongst themselves than they did against each other. I got so sick of it that I stopped watching and missed the episode where Starbuck gets killed (before she comes back). Then I came back because I was curious how it was all going to end. I had high hopes for BSG, Caprica and SG:U. All were gross disappointments. Caprica and SG:U have different characters, different plots and different settings - but it's the same old thing with ALL of them. Just a bunch of STUPID squabbling. Characters consistently do things to each other - from which there is no coming back - and yet they come back and are all buddies again later on. Stupid - just - Frakking - STUPID. I had hoped for better and I got worse. At least with BSG - every now and then - you got a really cool space battle. Not so with either SG:U or Caprica. And ... there's one more thing. Homosexuality. It is politically correct to have homosexual characters in your story line with involved, complex relationships. I was a big Buffy fan at one time - and sat through 4 seasons of that on that show. I'm a hetrosexual - and want to see shows about hetrosexual relationships. Joss Whedon burned me out on stories about homosexuals. If someone else wants to watch that - fine. There are entire TV shows dedicated to that niche audience. However, trying to include major homosexual characters in a series - complete with the Homosexual Agenda "Why didn't you guys have children?" is more than I'm interested in watching. Nope ... so much for that for me. I parted ways with the Buffyverse when Whedon had Buffy in a lesbian relationship (in the comic book). I've also watched a bunch of Kevin Smith's stuff. Which was intelligent and humorous but ... also served to burn me out on homosexuality in my entertainment. If I hadn't watched all that other stuff ... then I probably wouldn't care ... but I have and I've just seen all of that I have any desire to see. shrug The writers doing that - have a political axe to grind - and I'm not interested in suffering through their political outlook on life as part of my fantasy entertainment. It's kind of like Alexander. I was really looking forward to seeing that, I'm a big history buff ... until some of my friends clued me in. Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools
Zedic Amarr Universalis Imperium	Posted - 2010.03.17 19:59:00 - [43] So in other words, you're a ***ing bigot. Here's the thing: "the gays" are everywhere. All around you and have been a part of your society, your species for millennia. We aren't going away. We're in your space shows, livin our lives. We're in your space ship MMO's, quietly plotting amongst ourselves to destroy you all... We are* the Cylons IRL **s like you had originally thought you could deny, oppress, explain away, and then finally, separate but equal, but not in my culture, or entertainment. We aren't a ing niche. We are better, faster, stronger, more intelligent and richer than you ~ breeder. There are 12 distinct versions of us, some of us look and act just like you. And we have a plan. Originally by:** Akita T "It's not that power corrupts... it's that the corrupt seek power."
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2010.03.18 03:24:00 - [44] Originally by: Zedic So in other words, you're a ***ing bigot. Here's the thing: "the gays" are everywhere. All around you and have been a part of your society, your species for millennia. We aren't going away. We're in your space shows, livin our lives. We're in your space ship MMO's, quietly plotting amongst ourselves to destroy you all... We are* the Cylons IRL **s like you had originally thought you could deny, oppress, explain away, and then finally, separate but equal, but not in my culture, or entertainment. We aren't a **ing niche. We are better, faster, stronger, more intelligent and richer than you ~ breeder. There are 12 distinct versions of us, some of us look and act just like you. And we have a plan. LOL!!!! Good response! You're the Cylon's! Ha! Ha! But ... if you recall - the Cyclon's big goal WAS to breed. Now ... as to the rest of your simplistic post - I am not a bigot. I am simply someone who sees things as they are rather than being caught up in my own point of view. But - you are allowed your point of view - and you are allowed to express your point of view in forums on TV and in the movies - and I will defend your right to do so with my life - which I, being a veteran - have done. That doesn't mean I have to agree with it. It also doesn't mean that I have to enjoy watching depictions of your life style. I said that it was fine for those depictions to exist. Did you miss that part in all your outrage? I simply said that I didn't enjoy it - so I wasn't gonna watch it - any more. I mean ... I sat through the last 4 frakking seasons of BTVS ... I've seen all of it that I want to see. One of the reasons is the politics of it. Many Hollywood writers like to insert their politics into the entertainment they write about. This country has free speech and they are allowed to do so. Those of us who don't like their politics - are also free NOT to watch it. After the last 4 frakking seasons of BTVS - I can tell you - I've had all of Joss Whedon's politics that I care for in my fantasy entertainment. The real irony here - is the way Whedon was called a bigot for killing Tara (!!!!!!) I hate to tell ya ... but I really had to laugh at that. Anyway - this is a thread about a TV show - not homosexuality. So - I'm not going to go into my political differences with the homosexual community since we aren't supposed to talk politics here. It's hard to discuss not wanting to watch a TV show because of that shows politics without straying into a political discussion ourselves - but I am trying to avoid that. If Hollywood wants to distribute TV shows with the content you want to see - and you want to watch it - that is your privilege. Whether or not your shows are able to break out of the niche entertainment they are now - and right now it IS niche entertainment - is something we shall see about. If they do so - they'll do so without my participation. If you look at the box office for "Broke Back Mountain" and "Alexander" - it would seem that I am in the majority on this. If you want to watch a show you like because it depicts a life style you identify with - then good for you. Just do not expect those of us who do not share your life style to find the same enjoyment in it that you do. We, for the most part, enjoy watching shows that depict life styles that we identify with. That isn't to say we can't take a look at other life styles - I've done that - but I've done all of it I want to. Now I'm tired of it and want to see stories that I have some interest in. Not more of some Hollywood writers personal politics disguised as fantasy entertainment. Thank Goodness for SG:SG-1 re-runs and a still young Amanda Tapping. Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools
Grek Forto The Minutemen Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2010.03.18 21:24:00 - [45] Originally by: Kijo Rikki I loved BSG with all mah heart. The first two seasons were phenomenal, I felt they lost some steam going into season 3 that probably had alot to do with the writers strike. Season 4 was better than 3 and 5 was better than 4 although the story didn't end quite like I'd imagine it would have. HOLY THERE WAS A FIFTH SEASON!?!?!?!?!?

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