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Creed Demastikus House of Demastikus	Posted - 2010.03.22 10:23:00 - [61] i can live with old ships of minmatar but newest ships.. there isnt any excuse left "oo minmatar making their ships from scraps" thats getting old.. well personaly i doesnt like how loki is lookin but than maelstrom and hurricane.. i luv them a lot.. for scorp change it was needed i never saw half scorpion anywhere :p and new design pretty awesome.. for other changes well as long as they appear "scifi wise" and not some absurd "modern art" always acceptable.. symmetric or not but please add some detail to them p: (for minmatar give us that ship which designed at 2009 fanfest thukker/eldar issue battleship or somethin like that :p)
Typhado3 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.03.22 10:26:00 - [62] Originally by: Professor Tarantula EVE physics only begin to make sense when you put the simulation underwater, and even then any connection to reality is tenous. ahem Originally by: Adam Savage I reject your reality and substitute my own ------------------------------ God is an afk cloaker
Lashnar Caldari New Eden Recon Force Beyond-Control	Posted - 2010.03.22 11:14:00 - [63] I agree, some ships, (Mostly Caldari) should be updated. But making them all symmetrical is a joke. You know why? Than we will be complaining that they are all symmetrical. Admit it, sometimes, when done right, asymmetry looks good. That silly Gallente pointy ship for example. Welcome to EVE.
Konkere	Posted - 2010.03.22 11:45:00 - [64] Edited by: Konkere on 22/03/2010 11:46:35 Originally by: Edenn I'm an engineer irl and I know a few things about symmetry. So making (planning, mass balancing and etc) an asymmetrical space ship is around 13x - 14x times harder then making a symmetrical one. I'm sure in any near furute there will be NO assymetrical ships because it's really stupid from Egineer's point of view (not trying to insult CCP, but speaking the truth). My thoughts. I have no idea why CCP think it's cool, reasonable or innovate to make asymmetric ships. In any way it is very wrong. P.S. I'm talking about asymmetric ships, not parts, like on Mega or Rokh.
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb	Posted - 2010.03.22 11:46:00 - [65] How dare you! I've been stuck with the symetrical battle-spud-o'-doom (aka Dominix) for years of playing. As if things weren't bad enought, last time round they even took the engine fires off it as well as the cool drone bay entrance from the underside. Every time I see a Raven or a Rokh it makes me sick. Sitting there with their trendy blue lights and actually looking like a space ship instead of a metal turd.
Jeneroux Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.22 13:48:00 - [66] Symmetry is overrated until you break through the atmosphere and try to land in your Helios. I think that ships from the cruiser class down to frigates would be capable of landing. The Thorax.. this ship could land. Asymmetrical ships would dock at stations.
Ana Vyr	Posted - 2010.03.22 14:14:00 - [67] I personally hope they don't touch any other ships in terms of their asymetrical shapes. EvE ships look unique the way they are. Symetrical ships are boring.
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2010.03.22 16:37:00 - [68] Originally by: Qolde Dont change the domi. It is beautiful. You don't get a say. Why do you care anyway, you never fly the damn thing? ...
Elektrea Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.03.22 17:17:00 - [69] You guys completely redo a model, yet you guys say its too much to add missile hard points ----------
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2010.03.22 18:05:00 - [70] Raven looks just fine as it is imo. Moa, Blackbird and Osprey might need a look at though... - Malyutka (The Virus) -
Krennel Darius Caldari Nova Security Systems	Posted - 2010.03.22 18:58:00 - [71] I dont really care about the Raven/Osprey, I think those look fine, but if all they do is update the Moa hull I would be extremely happy. I'd like to stop puking every time I jumped into my Onyx/Gila. _________________________________________________ If at first you don't succeed, you're not Chuck Norris
Pelorn	Posted - 2010.03.22 19:31:00 - [72] Originally by: Stuart Price BUT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT TOUCH THE MOA. I want a permanent legacy of whatever insane, badass awesome acid trip the designers were on when they came up with the total awesomeness that is the Moa and decided, "YES! It looks exactly like a spaceship. Just what we wanted". I want, when people are watching me play (it happens from time to time...) for them to say, "WTF IS THAT?", and to hear the reply, "It's a spaceship", and for that look on their face that lets you know their whole understanding of sense and reason just got exploded. Don't you DARE rob me of the best mind**** ship in the game. Just don't! Oh I lol'd so hard. The Moa is the ship I would like to see remodeled the most, but I might change my mind just because of this.
Crystal Thaime	Posted - 2010.03.22 22:30:00 - [73] Originally by: SkyLordUK The ferox isn't symetrical look at the wings ones at an angle to the other They actually fixed the ferox a few graphic updates ago. It's now basically symmetrical (might be a few antennae or something minor out of balance). It looks a LOT better now.
GavinGoodrich Ungrouped Guns Don't Panic.	Posted - 2010.03.22 22:52:00 - [74] Originally by: Stuart Price BUT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT TOUCH THE MOA. I want a permanent legacy of whatever insane, badass awesome acid trip the designers were on when they came up with the total awesomeness that is the Moa and decided, "YES! It looks exactly like a spaceship. Just what we wanted". I want, when people are watching me play (it happens from time to time...) for them to say, "WTF IS THAT?", and to hear the reply, "It's a spaceship", and for that look on their face that lets you know their whole understanding of sense and reason just got exploded. Don't you DARE rob me of the best mind**** ship in the game. Just don't! nice \o
Lai Nat	Posted - 2010.03.23 02:12:00 - [75] Originally by: Stuart Price BUT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT TOUCH THE MOA. I want a permanent legacy of whatever insane, badass awesome acid trip the designers were on when they came up with the total awesomeness that is the Moa and decided, "YES! It looks exactly like a spaceship. Just what we wanted". I want, when people are watching me play (it happens from time to time...) for them to say, "WTF IS THAT?", and to hear the reply, "It's a spaceship", and for that look on their face that lets you know their whole understanding of sense and reason just got exploded. Don't you DARE rob me of the best mind**** ship in the game. Just don't! But what if they make it look even MORE like the "Firefly" class ship?!? That would be freakin' sweet. I'd fly it all the time!
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.03.23 03:33:00 - [76] Knowing art directors, and I know a few, I'd say that the end goal is to have the entirety of Eve's models completely re-done from scratch to have a more cohesive art style and homogeneous look for all the ships for each race. As Eve has aged over the years there have been discrete generations of ships that have been developed by particular art teams and concept artists. Each generation of ships is slightly superior to the last but it leaves the older models lacking in both style and execution. To me it makes sense to re-envision each ship and deliver art that is worthy of the latest generation of graphics technology and the Eve Online IP. So yeah, the new Scorp looks great, let's hope that they continue the trend and revamp every single ship in Eve. - Originally by: Bellum Eternus That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Zaerlorth Maelkor The Maverick Navy IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.23 05:21:00 - [77] Originally by: Natonad new dominix please +1 Dominix needs some love! However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs. second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
AndrewNardella	Posted - 2010.03.23 05:31:00 - [78] I often prefer symmetry over asymmetry and the scorpion is a good example of something that can be improved (and will be) with symmetry. I do appreciate some of the asymmetrical ship designs in the game. The heron, condor, catalyst, griffin, helios and kestrel are prime examples of hulls that have pleasing asymmetrical designs. I think I would prefer more symmetrical designs for these hulls but I also think that its best that most of the asymmetry in these hulls remain. I personally would love it is the Armageddon and Moa hulls get revisited soon. I do not like avoiding hulls for their appearance and fully expect to see an increase in scorpion hull sales and production.
AnonyTerrorNinja Minmatar Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport	Posted - 2010.03.23 10:16:00 - [79] Edited by: AnonyTerrorNinja on 23/03/2010 10:21:42 I don't care what happens to the older old Caldari ship designs, but leave my Moa out of this. The change to the Ferox was bad enough. I, for one, liked the offset-angled wings on the one side, they made the thing feel more like a gunboat to me. The Kestrel, although it could do with an update in detail, is also fine in its current form, leave it alone. The Merlin, likewise, could do with an update, but is fine otherwise. LOVE MOA-TNEY ALOOOONE! PLEEEEEASE! Though I can't say I would mind moar. =.= Originally by: "Konkere" Edited by: Konkere on 22/03/2010 11:46:35 Originally by: "Edenn" I'm an engineer irl and I know a few things about symmetry. So making (planning, mass balancing and etc) an asymmetrical space ship is around 13x - 14x times harder then making a symmetrical one. I'm sure in any near furute there will be NO assymetrical ships because it's really stupid from Egineer's point of view (not trying to insult CCP, but speaking the truth). My thoughts. I have no idea why CCP think it's cool, reasonable or innovate to make asymmetric ships. In any way it is very wrong. P.S. I'm talking about asymmetric ships, not parts, like on Mega or Rokh. I'm sure that in the future EVE is set in, AI-assisted design is at such a level that, irrespective of asymmetry (in space, mind you, where mass balancing is far simpler than in the atmosphere of a gravitational body), the designs are 'balanced' out very easily. Hell, what with centrifugal gravity wells and the like, I wouldn't be surprised if the very engines of the ships contribute heavily towards nullifying any form of unbalance in an asymmetrical design. ---
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2010.03.23 11:15:00 - [80] whoever brought up the sphere argument needs to review our conclusion last time that a sphere design is humanly impractical. adding onto the topic I for one would love to see the domonix carrier bought up to par with ships 200 years younger than it. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 24FEB10
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2010.03.23 11:22:00 - [81] Edited by: Omara Otawan on 23/03/2010 11:24:14 Originally by: Hibernator X the holes in your theory are: the caracal the merlin ~~the ferox~~ the drake ~~the rokh~~ the badger ~~the phoenix~~ so there you have a ~~capital ship~~, and indy, a frig, a cruiser, ~~a battleship~~, and 2 1 battlecruisers that are ALL symmetrical. Fixed, Rokh, Ferox and Phoenix are not symmetrical. So what was your argument again? The large majority of caldari ships have asymmetric designs.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2010.03.23 11:30:00 - [82] scorpion 3.0 isnt exactly all symetrical either. bridge to one side radar dish to the other. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 24FEB10
Edenn	Posted - 2010.03.23 12:25:00 - [83] Originally by: Omara Otawan Edited by: Omara Otawan on 23/03/2010 11:24:14 Originally by: Hibernator X the holes in your theory are: the caracal the merlin ~~the ferox~~ the drake ~~the rokh~~ the badger ~~the phoenix~~ so there you have a ~~capital ship~~, and indy, a frig, a cruiser, ~~a battleship~~, and 2 1 battlecruisers that are ALL symmetrical. Fixed, Rokh, Ferox and Phoenix are not symmetrical. So what was your argument again? The large majority of caldari ships have asymmetric designs. Having asymmetric placed parts on ship doesn't mean the ship itself is asymmetric. The shape or Rokh or Mega or even Ferox IS symmetric.
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb	Posted - 2010.03.23 12:31:00 - [84] Originally by: Elektrea You guys completely redo a model, yet you guys say its too much to add missile hard points this
Wilma JugsJiggle	Posted - 2010.03.23 12:42:00 - [85] Originally by: Arthur Frayn The biggest problem with these designs is they make no sense from a real life design standpoint. This is worthy of a chortle.
Bonn Marto	Posted - 2010.04.19 05:30:00 - [86] Obviously, OP is just beefing because he doesn't like how some Caldari boats look and wants to find some obtuse scientific reason to make his beef sound somehow more legitimate. I've got news for Arthur: in the world of imaginary space video game internets, the look of the game is a far better argument than "I don't think asymmetrical imaginary spaceships should be able to fly straight." Of course, I agree with the premise; the raven, osprey, moa and other Caldari boats all look awful (I'd make the case that the blackbird, although asymmetrical, still looks okay and is therefore excusable). I really like the new scorpion. I'd love to see all of the tier 1 battleship hulls remodeled after t3. Think about it: is there any fuglier battleship than the dominix? It looks like a green turd with rockets coming out its ass (can turds have asses?). To sum up: OP doesn't know what he's talking about ... and I 100% agree with him.
Zetheral	Posted - 2010.04.19 07:40:00 - [87] Originally by: Elektrea You guys completely redo a model, yet you guys say its too much to add missile hard points Yea missle hardpoints first plz. My Drake already has them can she plz use them. K Thx Oh and the new scorp model is awesome, and if I liked battleships i would get one after the update but not before. The MOA is a messed up ship, but it is one of the reasons why EVE is awesome. They came up with new ship designs instead of reusing those made by other people. But before all of this can u plz fix the mess up Gal ships. Im tired of seeing a cata that is missing half its haul, or the haul is spinning aroung the center of the ship. It was funny the first time but now im starting to think that CCP has lost focus on the game they have, and are focusing to much on the game they are trying to make. PLZ FIX THE CURRENT EVE!!!!! k thx bye
HIghlord Diamond	Posted - 2010.04.19 08:57:00 - [88] I would just love to see my missiles being fired from a missile launcher instead of the very center of a given ship. I would also loved for a missed laser shot to actually show a laser fired into empty space, just passing by a ship (same goes for hybrids gun and projectiles) I would also love to see shields illuminating and flickering upon the impact of a weapon, armor and hull pieces being blow apart when shield are down. I would love for the music in EvE to actually work, and whenever you are in combat to have it switch to intense scifi music, would love it to have new soundtracks composed to this very end. Make another one for when you a cloaked. I would love to see different stages of disintegration of an asteroid as it is being mined out perhaps even leave a somewhat hollowed shell of worthless rocks when mined out completely instead of just poping out of thin air. pop! I would love to hear my guns firing everything they fire and not just once out of 10 times. Apparently they did prior to Apocrypha but I can't be sure since I joined 2-3 months after it's release. But of course having all this added/fixed will take time, if they ever do it at all. Still it would give so much more of an immersion feeling. For now they are giving us a new scorpion model. As a frequent user of the hull, I welcome this change, since I do tend to give it a big tank and wonder how come a ship so fragile looking can be so hardy. The camera drone centering it's view over the right wing instead of the main hull section of the ship didn't help either. Also keep in mind that Tyrannis is still 29 days away and we haven't seen all the features the expansion will include. Heck the trailer video isn't even up yet. Perhaps they already remodeled a few other ships but haven't found the time to show it just yet? I hear rumors that the screenshots of PI and what is available of SiSi is only a fraction of what it will actually be on release. About the Moa, never flew the hull for two reasons : 1. Until recently I was just horrible with rails and blasters. 2. It's in my top 5 of ugliest looking ship in EVE. Aesthetics matters to me. I like for the tools I use to rain death to be as pleasing looking as possible. It is a part of the fun I get from the game. One rule prevails however : There's no account for tastes. No matter what you do, all hulls and remodeled hulls are going to be loved and hated by the players. Name a single ship that is appreciated in looks by everyone. Just one!
Marquis Zenas I.X Research	Posted - 2010.04.19 11:39:00 - [89] Originally by: Wacktopia How dare you! I've been stuck with the symetrical battle-spud-o'-doom (aka Dominix) for years of playing. As if things weren't bad enought, last time round they even took the engine fires off it as well as the cool drone bay entrance from the underside. Every time I see a Raven or a Rokh it makes me sick. Sitting there with their trendy blue lights and actually looking like a space ship instead of a metal turd. This! Dominix needs to be remodeled to look like some kind of super-brutix! -------------------------- Sigless

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