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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2010.03.14 18:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Natonad
new dominix please
Agreed. It should be asymmetrical too. It would still be an improvement.
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Riskalot
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Posted - 2010.03.14 18:29:00 -
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I hate the new asia ships. since the t3 ships came out, the designs have changed...
and i really dont like it. really NOT! i loved the scorp modell, now its crap.
who designed the pre-apocrypha ships and where did he go?
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Radgette
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Posted - 2010.03.14 18:33:00 -
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omg please no
symmetry is NOT beautiful! it's boring and tasteless
asymmetrical objects are much more artistic and pleasing to the eye.
if your going to redo the ships just fix the bubble wrap effect that almost all of them at at one point or another if you look closer at the hulls and remove the space camo.
the ships are all nice in there own way and as another poster stated ships like the rifter and tempest are iconic of their race and shouldn't be tampered with majorly maybe just given some love to smooth out the rough edges.
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SkyLordUK
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2010.03.14 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Hibernator X
Edited by: Hibernator X on 14/03/2010 17:36:08
Originally by: Arthur Frayn
I'm talking about consistency here. Of course they wanted diversity instead of every ship being symmetrical, I said that before.
the holes in your theory are:
the caracal
the merlin
the ferox
the drake
the rokh
the badger
the phoenix
so there you have a capital ship, and indy, a frig, a cruiser, a battleship, and 2 battlecruisers that are ALL symmetrical.
and the heron, the kestrel, and the cormorant are all quite close to being symmetrical.
so now because they have one more symmetrical ship they all have to be symmetrical??
plus there is asymmetry to be found in every other races ships (though not as drastic i'll admit).
The ferox isn't symetrical look at the wings ones at an angle to the other 
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Posted - 2010.03.14 21:00:00 -
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1) The Scorpion is flawed... and that's part of the reason you never see anyone flying it. It looks half finished.
2) Your point about symmetry in space is not valid from a resistance standpoint. And, regardless, this is a fantasy universe, so if the Caldari can make it work, more power to them.
3) The primary flaw with the Raven's design is its flat face and obnoxious, frigate-sized bridge. The bridge makes the overall appearance of the Raven that of a giant with a toddler's head - it destroys the imposing look of the rest of the vessel.
4) The Rokh needs additional details - small wing features, a more prominent bridge, some extensions with additional engines... anything, really. Of all the new battleships, it lacks defining traits.
5) The design of Caldari ships does not make sense from a military perspective, so I would fault their overall cultural design choices for that. Symmetry is cheap, and speeds production time, as do modular designs that incorporate similar features. The Caldari vessels lack all these qualities, and for a culture that is supposedly hardened by war and that has adopted a realistic approach to space flight, a lot of their ships wind up looking like bad modern art. This is the contradiction in Caldari design.
6) The Dominix is the ugliest ship in EVE. Yes, the Moa, Osprey and Blackbird all give it a run for its money, but I can't shake the feeling that it's really just a refitted Jawa San Crawler taken to the skies. It's EVE's flying turd.
7) I don't care for the Megathron either, and that's because it doesn't really fit in well with the organic appearance of the other Gallente designs. For that reason, I'd argue it needs a redesign as well.
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Vitamin B12
Tyrell Megacorporation
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Posted - 2010.03.14 21:12:00 -
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where can i pre-order my new golem design? 
on the front i would like to see some hellokittyonline stickers. and on the back pls something like "torpedos in you ass"... 
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Nina Treml
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Posted - 2010.03.14 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Arthur Frayn
The biggest problem with these designs is they make no sense from a real life design standpoint
i stopped reading here.
gtfo and go play something else noob.
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari
Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.03.14 21:39:00 -
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Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 14/03/2010 21:41:32
I don't think the new look will make it any more valuable.
If they make changes to the other ships right away, then nothing will be special about the scorp.
Becides, how much more sick can my NM get?
That's really the only ship I fly on a reg. basis.
Geddon could possibly look less like a ****.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.03.14 23:47:00 -
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meh I like the way most ships look, and I'm not going to chose what ship to fly based on symmetry. Pick the right tool for the job as they say.
scorp was pretty ugly though.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2010.03.15 00:25:00 -
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hi cat here
well i think one of the problems with the scorprion like it is is that it is unbalanced and it takes extra engine power to stop it just flying round in circles. so ccp are going to balance it to make it fly straight because it is using too much server load just keeping it in a straight line lol
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Epicbeardman
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Posted - 2010.03.15 01:30:00 -
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Edited by: Epicbeardman on 15/03/2010 01:32:32
Originally by: Arthur Frayn
Most players will point out there is no air resistance in space so ships can be designed any way at all, and Caldari designs are supposed to be all about practicality and efficient usage of internal space. In reality, bilateral symmetry is still important in space as it is in an atmosphere because it is applied against mass. Engine thrust is most efficient when applied equally over the mass of an object.
Oh hooraaay! Another guy applying the laws of physics to a video game. You want realism?
http://gizmodo.com/5426453/the-physics-of-space-battles
TLDR: Every spaceship ball shaped.
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Isaiah Harms
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Posted - 2010.03.21 19:58:00 -
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You know what, forget game mechanics. Forget RL science. Forget the terms symmetry. Fact is I'm disappointed with my Scorpion. Most other starships are a thrill to watch traversing it's warp corridor. Not the Scorpion.
I fully support the remodel to the Scorpion and look forward to the day my battleship is morphed to it's new shape. As an ECM ship it needs the edge.
LEAVE MY RAVEN ALONE! I love it's ugly hull. Go ahead and joke, the laughter stops when the siege launchers start.
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Major Stallion
The Dark Horses
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Posted - 2010.03.21 21:17:00 -
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the new scorp isnt bilaterally symmmetrical...just sayin'....
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Tiger Tesla
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Posted - 2010.03.21 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Radgette
omg please no
symmetry is NOT beautiful! it's boring and tasteless
asymmetrical objects are much more artistic and pleasing to the eye.
if your going to redo the ships just fix the bubble wrap effect that almost all of them at at one point or another if you look closer at the hulls and remove the space camo.
the ships are all nice in there own way and as another poster stated ships like the rifter and tempest are iconic of their race and shouldn't be tampered with majorly maybe just given some love to smooth out the rough edges.
please remember that beauty is entirely relative, as i find symmetry pleasing, but not blatant asymmetry. some asymmetry is acceptable however in my opinion, this may not be the case for others, so please do not assume what you consider to be beautiful will hold for the rest of your species. i approve of the new scorpion mainly due to the top bit no longer looking like it will fall off at any moment.
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Dibsi Dei
Genos Occidere
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.03.21 22:26:00 -
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Confirming the new scorpion does not belong to eve.
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TimMc
Trans-Solar Works
Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.03.21 22:42:00 -
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Ignoring all these nerdy and somewhat comedic arguments...
I quite liked the old scorp model.
I like the dominix as it is now.
I enjoy the strangeness and asymmetry of caldari ships.
And surely, as a video game, this is the most important thing. That its enjoyable. The new scorpion is definitely sexy, and I like it for a different reason. Don't touch my space cow however (dominix).
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.21 23:15:00 -
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Don't touch the Dominix.
People who want a new Dominix disgust me, because they can't appreciate a good ship.
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Von Mukesh
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Posted - 2010.03.21 23:18:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Don't touch the Dominix.
People who want a new Dominix disgust me, because they can't appreciate a good ship.
QFT
Dominix is perfectly fine the way it is. Next.
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Ai Mei
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Posted - 2010.03.21 23:44:00 -
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Of all the things to whine about you had to go and whine about the ship design, and internet spaceship physics.
Seriously at this point it is time to take a break from EvE and go back to reality.
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Asuka Smith
Gallente
Noir.
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Posted - 2010.03.22 00:26:00 -
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Edited by: Asuka Smith on 22/03/2010 00:27:27
Listen Arthur, the devs make the game and not you. I hope they start changing symmetrical ships just to screw with you! How would you like the Arbitrator to get a corkscrew mining claw arm on the right and the left is adjusted to taper off into a curved blade!
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
hi cat here
well i think one of the problems with the scorprion like it is is that it is unbalanced and it takes extra engine power to stop it just flying round in circles. so ccp are going to balance it to make it fly straight because it is using too much server load just keeping it in a straight line lol
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Best cat post in AGES btw. This is why you are famous cat keep it up.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.03.22 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Epicbeardman
Edited by: Epicbeardman on 15/03/2010 01:32:32
Originally by: Arthur Frayn
Most players will point out there is no air resistance in space so ships can be designed any way at all, and Caldari designs are supposed to be all about practicality and efficient usage of internal space. In reality, bilateral symmetry is still important in space as it is in an atmosphere because it is applied against mass. Engine thrust is most efficient when applied equally over the mass of an object.
Oh hooraaay! Another guy applying the laws of physics to a video game. You want realism?
http://gizmodo.com/5426453/the-physics-of-space-battles
TLDR: Every spaceship ball shaped.
A ball-shaped Domi would be badass!
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Stuart Price
Caldari
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.03.22 02:16:00 -
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Old scorp was ok, but new scorp IS better looking.
Raven always annoyed me a little, they can change that if they want.
Condor has ALWAYS annoyed me, they cam definitely change that.
There are a few others I wouldn't mind seeing tweaked.
BUT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT TOUCH THE MOA. I want a permanent legacy of whatever insane, badass awesome acid trip the designers were on when they came up with the total awesomeness that is the Moa and decided, "YES! It looks exactly like a spaceship. Just what we wanted". I want, when people are watching me play (it happens from time to time...) for them to say, "WTF IS THAT?", and to hear the reply, "It's a spaceship", and for that look on their face that lets you know their whole understanding of sense and reason just got exploded.
Don't you DARE rob me of the best mind**** ship in the game. Just don't!
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Cobalt Sixty
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.03.22 05:41:00 -
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Aesthetic decisions are made by the Art Director, not players (thank goodness).
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True Sight
THORN Syndicate
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2010.03.22 05:56:00 -
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Everyone has a different artistic taste, EVE caters to this very well by having 4 uniquely designed races, I personally think that the majority if not all Minmatar ships look like total poop, there are others however that can reply to that saying that I am made and they are by far the best looking ships.
I personally do not like the lack of symatry in the Caldari ships either, but there are people that do, so, enjoy the ships you enjoy and let others enjoy the ships they enjoy, just because I think Minmatar are ugly, it doesn't mean they are and it doesn't mean CCP should change it just to please me.
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Daerrol
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Posted - 2010.03.22 06:12:00 -
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Old scorpion was really cool. New Scorp is better. What else matters?
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.03.22 06:15:00 -
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Arthur I usually like your posts but seriously imo you are getting really worked up about this.
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Qolde
Minmatar
art of eve
Gunmen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2010.03.22 07:50:00 -
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The new scorp looks better than the old one. A little asymmetry is cool, but some of that **** was overdone. The megathron, rokh, and machariel have the perfect amount of asymmetry. Yeah, just that one little sensor thingy on one side of the ship, akin to the antenna on your everyday car. The raven's model is fine, but the paintjob looks kinda dirty, like it sat planetside for a few years too many exposed to the elements.
Dont change the domi. It is beautiful.
Is it just me, or do the old minmatar ships look like 80's sports cars that ran into each other, got set on fire, then they added those little wingy things? The texture is butt ugly on some of the minmatar ships. COME ON!! BROWN?!
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EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2010.03.22 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
Arthur I usually like your posts but seriously imo you are getting really worked up about this.
I tend to argue a little too vigorously for what I believe in. Always been a fault of mine.
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Posted - 2010.03.22 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: Hibernator X
Edited by: Hibernator X on 14/03/2010 17:36:08
Originally by: Arthur Frayn
I'm talking about consistency here. Of course they wanted diversity instead of every ship being symmetrical, I said that before.
the holes in your theory are:
the caracal
the merlin
the ferox
the drake
the rokh
the badger
the phoenix
so there you have a capital ship, and indy, a frig, a cruiser, a battleship, and 2 battlecruisers that are ALL symmetrical.
and the heron, the kestrel, and the cormorant are all quite close to being symmetrical.
so now because they have one more symmetrical ship they all have to be symmetrical??
plus there is asymmetry to be found in every other races ships (though not as drastic i'll admit).
Very true.
Caldari have a lot of symmetrical ships.
Actually ghetto people have a lot of asymmetrical ships too.
Anyway changing Raven (Would love to) and Scorp is a good way.
I'm an engineer irl and I know a few things about symmetry. So making (planning, mass balancing and etc) an asymmetrical space ship is around 13x - 14x times harder then making a symmetrical one.
I'm sure in any near furute there will be NO assymetrical ships because it's really stupid from Egineer's point of view (not trying to insult CCP, but speaking the truth).
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Flitz Farseeker
Interstellar Stormfront
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Posted - 2010.03.22 10:09:00 -
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Compared to previous incarnations the current Dominix is just fine. Well except for the current lack of engine trails and turrets, but then you can't have everything.
Megathron is fine except for the turrets on the sensor pods at the back. Put them back on the turret mounts at the front please. And do something about the camo paint job on the faction versions; like get rid of it.
Even the Exequror doesn't look as bad as it used to (used to be a sort of vile green colour), but it still looks like it would just fly round in circles. Adjust the engine positions so that the big engine is on one side and the two smaller engines on the other and it might actually look like it could fly in a straight line.
As for the Imicus (and Helios), I'm afraid that there is no hope for the current design. Just toss it and do a complete revamp.
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