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Sassari
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Posted - 2010.03.16 10:47:00 -
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Edited by: Sassari on 16/03/2010 10:54:42
Hey,
So i'm a gallente pilot and i'm 5 hours away from flying a proteus.
After some intense googling I went from yay to nay. Posts made by people, articles, whatever else sources I came across kept saying how the proteus suck in comparrison to the other Tech III cruisers.
Now this isn't good news for me, soloing Class 3 wormholes has been my goal for the past two months, only to find out that i'm **** out of luck with my proteus.
Apparently people claim that the Proteus is by far the worst wormhole runner out of the Tech3's, is this true?
I would very much appreciate if I could get some help with this, some answers, fit suggestions, whatever else. Preferably from people who actually have done C3 WH's in a proteus, but all helpful comments are appreciated.
Basically what I want to know is: Can a proteus efficiently do C3 wormholes solo? (Will use an alt to probe, salvage, etc so it saves me a whole lot of modules and doesn't limit my fitting as much)
Please don't post **** like "Train for a tengu" as it is not at all an option for me to cross train.
Thanks in advance!
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TimMc
Gallente
Trans-Solar Works
Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.03.16 10:56:00 -
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Sleepers shoot drones and hybrids are bottom of the barrel atm. Sure it can probably do them just slower than others.
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Sassari
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Posted - 2010.03.16 11:05:00 -
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Thanks for the reply, looking for more that confirm what has been said.
Is it doable without it being a horrible enough experience to make a grown man cry like a seven year old girl in fetal position?
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2010.03.16 11:08:00 -
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 Originally by: TimMc
Sleepers shoot drones and hybrids are bottom of the barrel atm.
ho hooooooo!
i see what you did thar!
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Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises
Babylon Project
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Posted - 2010.03.16 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sassari
Edited by: Sassari on 16/03/2010 10:54:42
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Basically what I want to know is: Can a proteus efficiently do C3 wormholes solo? (Will use an alt to probe, salvage, etc so it saves me a whole lot of modules and doesn't limit my fitting as much)
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Not as efficiently as the other t3 ships no. That said, blaster set up you might be more offensive than drones, so you might be able to get away with that, but blasters are justa bit of a pain with the range.
Tengu is pwn, everyone can crosstrain.. not saying you should. But it's a lot more efficient.
Legion is pwn because it's tank is sufficient and lasers lack ammo/missiles can pick damage.
Loki isn't all that but at least it has range.
Proteus has uber tank but bad sleeper weapon systems.
Most people I know use proteus in wormholes as RR/drone boat for a legion tank/dps boat.
All the above is prolly crap
Drone Guide
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Rivur'Tam
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Posted - 2010.03.16 11:18:00 -
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don't worry the loki is so bad it makes the proteus epic win
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my vid watch now
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Sassari
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Posted - 2010.03.16 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Keitaro Baka
Not as efficiently as the other t3 ships no. That said, blaster set up you might be more offensive than drones, so you might be able to get away with that, but blasters are justa bit of a pain with the range.
Tengu is pwn, everyone can crosstrain.. not saying you should. But it's a lot more efficient.
Legion is pwn because it's tank is sufficient and lasers lack ammo/missiles can pick damage.
Loki isn't all that but at least it has range.
Proteus has uber tank but bad sleeper weapon systems.
Most people I know use proteus in wormholes as RR/drone boat for a legion tank/dps boat.
Thanks for the good input.
I wouldn't mind flying a tengu, don't get me wrong. But with this charachter it just isn't an option for me since it's focused in gunnery and armor tanking.
Training for a tengu with extremely basic shield tank skills etc would take me roughly 45 days.
Then i'll need to focus into missiles which I have no skills trained in as well. Meaning i'm looking at probably 5-6 months of training before i'm happy with flying a tengu with this char. Not acceptable in my eyes.
The alt I mentioned for probing and salvaging is actually going to train for a Legion or possibly a tengu while i'm working in C3 WH's with Sassari.
Eventually I will have two different T3 cruisers running WH's together and that should make me more than efficient, but still a long ways off.
Also while i'm on the subject, is there any other gallente ship (Mega, Domi, etc) that can solo C3's with ease? Just to get me started right now I mean.
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.03.16 12:10:00 -
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If you're "focused on gunnery and armour tanking" then why don't you just get a Legion?
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Nico Terces
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.16 12:12:00 -
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45 days training for a shield tank is well invested either way. Heavy missiles shouldnt take more than a week to be able to use. They wont do a lot of damage in the beginning though :p
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Songbird
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Posted - 2010.03.16 12:48:00 -
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the only good thing I've heard about proteus is the pvp aspect with buffer armor tank. best of the best is the tengu - with some faction gear it easily solos c4s and if you got real good setup C5s as well.
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Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises
Babylon Project
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Posted - 2010.03.16 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Sassari
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Also while i'm on the subject, is there any other gallente ship (Mega, Domi, etc) that can solo C3's with ease? Just to get me started right now I mean.
The problem isn't with gallente ships, it's the weapon systems that are lacking in this case (cos gallente ships are pretty sweet in general).
Battleships will have problems hitting the smaller sleepers, (batte)cruisers suffer from the same issues the proteus will have in wormholes. So take the proteus since it kinda is better than anything anyway. Or possibly a pulse laser myrmidon I suppose for range and tank if you want to be cheap.
As others have said, with a solid gunnery and armour tanking base, the legion isn't that far off, but if your alt will go legion a RR/drone proteus is fine too. I'd say see how your proteus holds out, it's not like anything pure gallente will out perform it easily in solo C2/3 stuff.
All the above is prolly crap
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Exploding Tukey
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Posted - 2010.03.16 13:42:00 -
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If a drake can do most C3 sites, a 500mil proteus can too!
Make sure you train all subsystem skills to ATLEAST 4, train defensive, offensive and eng to 5 asap. make sure you can fit the proteus in t2 items and you dont rush into a wh without knowing what to expect, how to scan for people, and without a proper ship setup.
whs are quite heavily ganked since its the same as null sec but without the intel of local channel.
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Darcon Kylote
Terminal Impact
Kairakau
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Posted - 2010.03.16 15:01:00 -
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Proteus is king of wormhole ganking. Fit it with cloak, probe launcher, blasters, active armor tank, and go on a killing spree. It's the best covert t3 at pvp. Tengu is comparable with very good missile skills though.
But yeah, it is indeed the worst at wormhole PVE. Rails have terrible tracking and damage, drones die quickly (when you're solo). Tengu > all.
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DXYOC
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Posted - 2010.03.16 18:48:00 -
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Why not get a sentry domi?
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Klazktrknuitzksalikamono
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Posted - 2010.03.16 19:10:00 -
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Why not get a sentry Proteus?
... Oh wait. 
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.16 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Klazktrknuitzksalikamono
Why not get a sentry Proteus?
... Oh wait.
Well, it works, just not to the extent you'd really want… 
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Kail Storm
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.03.16 19:17:00 -
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Yes its true Prot is the worst t3 since blasters cant hit the kiting little sleepers and rails just suck also drones are freq ****d very quikly, but the real issue is why bring a Prot when other gal ships that are covered by insurance can do the job way better.
I`d rather use the chuck norris of eve...The Domi it has enough space for reserve drone that you will lose, also as said before if you lose it you will still survive.
Also whoever told you to go Legion...Disregard that, Legion is ok for wh`s but if you gonna waste your time going to cruiser 5 just wait for Tengu...Tengu is not just best at PVE lvl 4`s, it can do Lvl 5`s and owns Wh`s also is amazing in PVP.
Also whoever said you can do c5`s in Tengu has never flown one in actual WH`s...Tengu tanks so well partially because its so fast and small, but when you get perma jammed, warp jammed, nueted webbed, in a c5 you start to wish you had brought 5 Friends in spyder tanking BS`s instead of a Tengu 
TL DR
Get a Tengu, Solo C3`s and never worry about C4`s or higher since you ll make so much isk anyways. Or get a Domi and do C2`s/3`s and lose one in ganks everynow and again and dont feelbad that you lost your 1 bil isk ship, laugh as you make isk off insurance, and profit the rest of the time.
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Elsa Nietzsche
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Posted - 2010.03.16 23:27:00 -
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i say train your proteus!
if we look at minmatar, we can extrapolate that the time it takes CCP to identify and issue, come up with a solution and implement it is roughly 2 years. just think, in 2 short years you'll already be flying the FOTM!
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Sassari
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Posted - 2010.03.17 09:35:00 -
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Awesome, a ton of helpful replies!  Thank you very much everyone!
I do feel more optimistic about the proteus now and will definitely train for it. Untill then i'll use the Chuck Norris Domi. :P
Thanks again everyone! 
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Tareel Jax
Amarr
SPACE JUNKS Ltd.
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Posted - 2010.03.25 11:44:00 -
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i have a proteus and i have soloed c3; i can tank solo c4, but damage is too low; at best you can get 1000 dps tank and 350 damage, with cap at 40% (which is not enough to solo c5 where you get neuted a lot; an the damage is way too low); and lets not forget it's hybrid damage, which means you have to get very close, so the dps is msileading, as you spend most of the time flying to the target; tengu, on the other hand, can easily tank 2000 dps and deliver 500 dps damage, and it is missile damage, at 80-100 km; so the real dps and tank are double, compared to proteus; i had a Kronos and i switched to Golem, with all the training involved; now i'll switch to Tengu as well; hybrids suck! :) go for Tengu, you won't regret it
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Uozi
Gallente
SUBX Missions Inc.
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Posted - 2010.03.25 15:59:00 -
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While I lost my proteus some months back to a gate camp while returning from a wh, this served me well inside a class 3 and 4:
[Proteus, Wormhole Runner]
Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Damage Control II
Dark Blood Armor EM Hardener
Dark Blood Armor Explosive Hardener
Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Cap Recharger II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Cap Recharger II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
cap stable as well if you like that type of thing :)
Yes my legion seems to perform better, but the challenge of using drones is quite fun (warriors are best as they are faster to recall)
While scanning wh's i have a few times stumbled upon drone proteus setups (4xGardeII) however i never actually caught the guys that used this so im unsure how they fit it)
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