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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.03.16 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Jovialmadness on 16/03/2010 22:30:34
Actually happened.
Economics professor and his class early in the semester up in i believe north u.s.(been awhile since i heard it on the news radio so cant remember the school) were discussing socialism.
The professor was explaining that a true socialist society where the very few have power and wealth where the masses have less is viewed as unequal in the eyes of the everyday socialist. He basically states that in a capitalistic society like ours it could never work but the class of young college students disagreed.
The professor became aggravated and decided to offer an option for the semester concerning grades. He stated that all tests would be averaged to become equal. The smarter lads in the class immediately started raising hell as they knew what was about to happen. The rest of the class eventually talked them into it. The professor passed out wavers which the entire class signed.
test one: test average B grade. the professor asked what the A students did and they said they studied hard. the restof the class was a mix of casual studiers and people that just didnt give a flip.
test two: test average D. the students that raised all that hell early on were asked what they did this time. they said they hadn't studied nearly as much because they dont want the losers in the class milking off their sweat. naturally the casual studiers studied even less and more people from the casual study group went over to the non study group.
final semester test. test average F. nobody studies at all for this one or very little as they felt that everyone else would atleast work hard enough to keep them in the D grade category so they could pass the class.
All failed the semester. see you next semester or you better super audit.
moral of the story. life isnt fair and everyone diserves their own rewards. if you dont like it go play wow. |
Xenofur
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.03.16 22:44:00 -
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Edited by: Xenofur on 16/03/2010 22:48:48
I don't see what that has to do with T2 BPOs. Anyhow, the conclusion you can draw from this is that students who are not actually committed to what they're studying are likely to use their time on things they find more important. It says nothing about what these students used the time on, which they suddenly found themselves with.
It is likely that a few of them will have wasted it with tv and booze, but it is even more likely that a good bunch of them spent the time learning other things or even creating things and thus contributing to human society at large still.
1/10 - You'll catch some, but that **** is way too obvious. You should remove the reference to Atlas Shrugged.
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Herr Wilkus
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Posted - 2010.03.16 22:47:00 -
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I could have sworn I heard about this on Rush Limbaugh's show.
Spot on, and more teachers need to do this.
So you can really educate those youngsters who spout off on how great it is 'in theory'.
That - and make Atlas Shrugged required reading.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.03.16 22:54:00 -
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Xeno it has everything to do with them you aren't "getting" the current issues if you can't see it.
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Xenofur
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.03.16 22:58:00 -
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Edited by: Xenofur on 16/03/2010 22:58:20
 Originally by: Jovialmadness
Xeno it has everything to do with them you aren't "getting" the current issues if you can't see it.
Me not getting how this connects to T2 BPOs does not mean that the conclusion you want to draw from your little story is somehow not completely flawed. You can feel free to either explain how exactly me missing the connection somehow revalidates your story OR try to explain where you think my conclusions are wrong.
Originally by: Jovialmadness
0/10 for you
Well, this much is to be expected, since I'm completely sincere and not trying to troll. 
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.03.17 00:50:00 -
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You will see what you want to see just like all the whine squad. This post was meant to bolster my team and shun the others off so be so kind as to move along. Your blatant ignorance of the current topics Infesting the very sub forum you are posting in shows you are trolling. |
Tellenta
Gallente
Invicta.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.03.17 01:01:00 -
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Your reasoning flawed
You continue to type
please stop typing now
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Xenofur
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.03.17 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jovialmadness
You will see what you want to see just like all the whine squad.
Just for the record: I have no opinion on the T2 BPOs. They are not easily within my reach and i have not implemented a model on calculating their profitability as well as their ROI yet, so they are a blank spot in my perception. Originally by: Jovialmadness
This post was meant to bolster my team and shun the others off so be so kind as to move along.
Wait, are you sure you're in the right forum? I'm pretty sure this wasn't CAOD. Originally by: Jovialmadness
Your blatant ignorance of the current topics Infesting the very sub forum you are posting in shows you are trolling.
One does not necessitate the other. I have my own reasons for posting in this forum and they in themselves are a perfect counter-example to the supposed moral of your story. I have done what i wanted to in pointing out your logical flaws and as of now am only engaging in discussion when it concerns those or adresses me in a way that i see it fit to provide an answer. Consider what I am doing constructive criticism on your propaganda efforts if you will.
Trolling would imply that I have a deeper agenda to rile up reactions in some manner, but i assure you that i am playing with perfectly open cards.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.03.17 01:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jovialmadness on 17/03/2010 01:43:49
ok let me put it to you this way. i have more isk than you and im super rich.
please place whine below this line. i burn isk in my fire place because its cheaper for me to do that then sit down and actually pay my intergallactic heat bill at my personally owned tech 2 purchased planetary mansion. All you haters and whiners out there i have a license plate on the back of my multi billion isk ships that says wsh2bme.
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Jarod Leercap
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Posted - 2010.03.17 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jovialmadness
Edited by: Jovialmadness on 16/03/2010 22:30:34
Actually happened.
Economics professor and his class early in the semester up in i believe north u.s.(been awhile since i heard it on the news radio so cant remember the school) were discussing socialism.
While this is purely tangential, being unable to cite identifying information about the events does not increase the readers' confidence that they actually occurred. Most probably, you heard about this from someone who said it was true, who in turn may have done the same.
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moral of the story. life isnt fair and everyone diserves their own rewards. if you dont like it go play wow.
T2 BPO's were originally handed out by lottery. There were folks who had plenty of RP and never got a T2 BPO. Those statistics argue against everyone having received a T2 BPO necessarily deserving it. (Back when the lottery was running, CCP noted that while older players tended to have more RP, the collective RP held by relative newbies mean that a fair number of T2 BPO's could be expected to go to them.)
Of course, some proportion (I have no idea what that proportion is) of T2 BPO's have since been resold, and anyone who bought them did so out of earnings. However, even then circumstance is relevant. I made a nice chunk of change (for me, anyway) back when invention was first started by farming and selling data cores. While others were apparently hanging on to the RP hoping for one of the last T2 BPO's or not pursuing the market, I sold when prices were high.
While one can certainly still make money farming data cores, the prices are generally a fraction of what they were when invention first came out. That's a opportunity a newer player won't have. (Not to say that there haven't nor will be more, just that that one is gone.)
None of this is to say that I necessarily support nerfing T2 BPO's. While it'd be nice to, as an inventor, be on a less steep slope, I realize that the folks who bought the T2 BPO's dropped a fair amount of ISK on them, and it'd be a significant hit to degrade their investment after the fact. At a minimum, CCP would be advised to give good warning before actually doing anything.
And, to be fair, it's kind of silly to argue about the T2 BPO's while the barge BPO's are priced like they are. The cost on those is more firmly out of whack than the efficiency benefits of the T2 BPO's, IMHO. Again, though, some folks have sunk serious ISK into those BPO's, and it'd be brutal to devalue the investment so directly after the fact.
There is certainly reason to leave T2 BPO's as they are; I'd just prefer it was done with less sanctimony.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.03.17 01:50:00 -
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Edited by: Jovialmadness on 17/03/2010 01:54:20
nice post bro.
edit: i heard in on AM radio about 3 years ago on news talk radio while sitting in the parking lot of one of the plants i covered. |
Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.03.17 02:23:00 -
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Edited by: Jovialmadness on 17/03/2010 02:23:27
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Your reasoning flawed
You continue to type
please stop typing now
you need to be able to reason first. simply hopping in here...reading a post..and then typing that is laughable.
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Emporer Norton
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Posted - 2010.03.17 03:34:00 -
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I have no problem with bpo holders I'd just like some way of inventing bp's with up to me 10 more then that would be great but at least 10 would be able to compete with bpo holders for materials and would also reduce cost of things w/o bpo's such as t2 bs and jf
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Voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
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Posted - 2010.03.17 03:58:00 -
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Edited by: Voogru on 17/03/2010 04:03:50
I heard this story before, it's pro.
The whole T2 bpo issue is really the have nots against the haves. Give the have nots a valuable T2 BPO and they will probably reverse their opinion or dump the print on the market (as opposed to trashing it which is basically what they want).
I earned my T2 BPO's by working hard for them, they were not given to me by the lottery. I had to finnagle owners to part with them and it wasn't easy, it was a lot of hard work and negoiating in order to get them to hand over their beloved prints.
I don't care if they boost invention and further lower profit margins with T2 BPO's (which have already been reduced about 97.5% since invention was put in, at least in my case), but I draw the line at outright removal.
Theres people that say "BUT THATS THE RISK YOU TAKE", I don't see CCP going and removing overpowered ships from peoples hangars, they fix the system. Invention was the fix for T2 BPO cartels that where ebaying ISK left and right which is why they boosted invention 10 fold shortly after it was implemented.
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Frank Corncob
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Posted - 2010.03.17 04:29:00 -
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tl;dr sheep don't know what socialism is.
Country 'A' is the reality of the Republican definition of 'Capitalism':
This is a country where millions of people have no healthcare. The infant mortality rate is worse than in many "third-world" countries, and there is no safety net for the elderly and disabled such as Social Security. Millions of people are thrown out of their homes while the government spends over a trillion dollars of the taxpayers money (YOUR money) to bail out the huge banks and financial institutions that caused all those foreclosures, and caused the markets to crash with their insatiable greed.
Tax cuts go to the richest 5% of the population who don't need it. There there is no minimum wage, and giant corporations are given billions of dollars in tax breaks and "incentives" even as they ship jobs overseas where cheap slave-labor is permitted, and devise schemes to avoid paying their fair share of property taxes. Employers are allowed to discriminate against women and racial minorities in their hiring practices and wage scales. There is no such thing as "overtime pay." There are no basic safety regulations to protect workers and the public.
Country 'B' is what Republicans derogatively label 'Socialism':
This is a country in which the rich pay their fair share. Everybody has healthcare. The young and the old have shelter, heat and enough food to eat. Corporations and the financial system are regulated by common sense rules that protect their workers and the public, and ensure fair wages and prevent discrimination. Businesses that create jobs here instead of using cheap foreign labor get preferential treatment. Corporations have much less political influence in Washington, and the interests of citizens is paramount.
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Voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
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Posted - 2010.03.17 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: Frank Corncob
tl;dr sheep don't know what socialism is.
Country 'A' is the reality of the Republican definition of 'Capitalism':
This is a country where millions of people have no healthcare. The infant mortality rate is worse than in many "third-world" countries, and there is no safety net for the elderly and disabled such as Social Security. Millions of people are thrown out of their homes while the government spends over a trillion dollars of the taxpayers money (YOUR money) to bail out the huge banks and financial institutions that caused all those foreclosures, and caused the markets to crash with their insatiable greed.
Tax cuts go to the richest 5% of the population who don't need it. There there is no minimum wage, and giant corporations are given billions of dollars in tax breaks and "incentives" even as they ship jobs overseas where cheap slave-labor is permitted, and devise schemes to avoid paying their fair share of property taxes. Employers are allowed to discriminate against women and racial minorities in their hiring practices and wage scales. There is no such thing as "overtime pay." There are no basic safety regulations to protect workers and the public.
Country 'B' is what Republicans derogatively label 'Socialism':
This is a country in which the rich pay their fair share. Everybody has healthcare. The young and the old have shelter, heat and enough food to eat. Corporations and the financial system are regulated by common sense rules that protect their workers and the public, and ensure fair wages and prevent discrimination. Businesses that create jobs here instead of using cheap foreign labor get preferential treatment. Corporations have much less political influence in Washington, and the interests of citizens is paramount.
This is what we have right now:
1. Socialism for the poor. (government bailouts of individuals)
2. Capitalism for the middle class.
3. Socialism for the ultra rich and power blocks (government bailouts of entities that should fail)
The problem is too much government. Everywhere the government isn't fiddling around with things gets cheaper. Everything the government has their hand in gets more and more expensive.
Government does not screw around with computers much, they get better and cheaper over time.
Government does not screw around with vehicles much, they get better and cheaper overtime (the increase of new cars price usually is due to inflation).
But yeah, I totally would love to discuss real life politics on a forum where people fly internet spaceships. At least it'll be more fun than talking to whiners about T2 BPO's.
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Enthral
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Posted - 2010.03.17 06:02:00 -
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Not sure what any of this has to do with Internet spaceships.
The health care debate has been beaten to death, with lies from the Democrats and fear mongering from the Republicans. Situation normal. All I can say is one thing: The poor and uninsured already have free access to health care in the US. Every public hospital in the country is required to accept everyone who walks in the door, and give them equal treatment, regardless of ability to pay. You don't even need to be a US citizen. The last time I was in the emergency room, they didn't even ask for my insurance until after I was treated. The whole "health care reform" issue is about politics and control, and has nothing to do with actual health care.
But that has nothing to do with Internet spaceships.
Neither does the whole bank bail out issue, which was embraced by the Republicans and enthusiastically implemented by the Democrats. Of course the Republicans were blamed by the Democrats for removing the regulations which allowed this to happen in the first place, but that's of course not the full story. The person in charge of the committee to recommend these regulations was a Democrat, namely Sen. Dodd. A certain Sen. McCain had a very passionate speech in front of the senate several years before the financial system imploded, calling out the banks, the faulty practices, and begging for regulations. No one wants to talk about that, or how Sen. Dodd accepted the second largest amount of money in donations from the banking industry. The only senator who accepted more? Senator Obama, of course.
But that has nothing to do with Internet spaceships, either.
What does have to do with Internet spaceships, is that with even the most basic analysis, it is obvious that T2 BPO's have no real affect on the markets. T2 ships that have never had BPO's are just as screwy as the rest, as are most of the larger T1 ships. Either way, when someone spends tens (or hundreds!) of billions of isk on something, CCP is going to have to tread carefully before yanking them out of the game or crippling them in some way.
That said, let me submit this: If CCP decided that, instead of yanking the T2 BPO's, that they should just seed them like T1 BPO's, and remove invention... how might inventors react? Would inventors be happy about the "leveling of the playing field", or perhaps would they feel a bit... cheated?
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Sprilk
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Posted - 2010.03.17 06:36:00 -
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Ya the post has nothing to do with some people having tech 2 bpo's
If you removed tech 2 bpo's people would not all just stop working hard because there were no tech 2 bpo's they would still work hard and compete in the market.
An example that actualy corolates with the story, would be saying that everyone who produced an ishtar gets an even portion of all profit made from porducing ishtars, so there person that made 1 ishtar for a loss would get as much is as the person who made 20 at a 20% profit. then ya the market would die horribly most likely as you described. but what you described really has nothing to do with anything.
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Voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
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Posted - 2010.03.17 06:52:00 -
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This game is ultra-capitalistic in nature, that is why I enjoy this game. It's pretty much an unregulated free market. This game doesn't practice socialism where players are taxed and ISK is given to players who do nothing.
Yes, the lottery was a mistake. But they resolved the access to T2 with invention and reduced the profits of T2 BPO's by 97.5%+.
THEY NERFED T2 BPO's HEAVILY ALREADY.
Cap Recharger II Pre-Invention: 20m
Cap Recharger II Post-Invention: 500-750k.
NERFROCKET!
T2 BPO's will die all on their own with no intervention from CCP. I'm fairly certain EVE isn't going to die anytime soon, and as time goes on, people with T2 BPO's will quit and those prints will no longer be in production.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.03.17 12:50:00 -
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Edited by: Jovialmadness on 17/03/2010 12:51:24
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Ya the post has nothing to do with some people having tech 2 bpo's
yea some of you are just too funny. Five posts in this sub forum about tech 2 bpo's and every single one loaded with people complaining about them causing an unfair advantage. Oh!! But you say not that?!?! You just think they are ancient relics that need to go away right? You just blow a passing comment our way like it's nothing expecting guys like me who, has invested hundreds of billions into them, to just shrug it off. Not while I'm bored at work buddy.
Every single whiner has a motive and that is either financial(meaning can't invent properly like the true inventors) or psychological(meaning just down right jealous).
Either way it's ridiculous and this post is directed to those that would want some form of equaled non eve type wow'ified Internet space ship game. A game I might add that the majority of the players who like eve for what it is do not want.
When eve started getting popular I was afraid this might happen. We have always had whiners and nerf brigades but in the past 3 years it's gotten pretty rediculous. Now you guys are attempting to validate a ner***e of tech 2 bpo's off of one or both of the reasons I mentioned above and that in itself forced me to call you all out and bust you.
Show me where bpo's cause true financial disruption to the markets of the game or where inventors aren't able to make more isk from their invention and i might take a look at that. As it stands now, inventors have the capability to out produce bpo holders but with more time and energy invested. Bpo holders invested the isk to avoid the time and energy.
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2010.03.17 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jovialmadness
Actually happened.
Economics professor and his class early in the semester up in i believe north u.s.(been awhile since i heard it on the news radio so cant remember the school) were discussing socialism.
Actually didn't happen.
Perhaps it would happen if you could find an economics professor who, like you, doesn't have the first clue what socialism is. Don't let that stop you from pontificating about social justice and Randian economic "theory" though.
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ExplicitViolence
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Posted - 2010.03.17 14:34:00 -
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I dunno wth a waver is. Maybe this dude o/ <-- with his hand in the air?
Perhaps you meant waiver?
In any case I agree. And I don't even own a T2 BPO. Though I would like to see the stealth nerf to invention undone.
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badmouther
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Posted - 2010.03.17 14:51:00 -
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you have got to be the wordiest troll i have ever seen. there seem to be a rash of tea party posts lately. little political landmines are all over these boards. why don't you and your little friends go back to your basements, put your tinfoil hats back on, and get back to fapping with your Big Asses magazine. i hear Glenn Beck is the centerfold this month and he's really into pegging. it should be quite a sight. |
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Posted - 2010.03.17 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: Sophia Brons on 17/03/2010 15:21:18
Originally by: Jovialmadness
Edited by: Jovialmadness on 17/03/2010 02:36:16
Edited by: Jovialmadness on 16/03/2010 22:30:34
Actually happened.
Economics professor and his class early in the semester up in i believe north u.s.(been awhile since i heard it on the news radio so cant remember the school) were discussing socialism.
The professor was explaining that a true socialist society where the very few have power and wealth where the masses have less is viewed as unequal in the eyes of the everyday socialist. He basically states that in a capitalistic society like ours it could never work but the class of young college students disagreed.
The professor became aggravated and decided to offer an option for the semester concerning grades. He stated that all tests would be averaged to become equal. The smarter lads in the class immediately started raising hell as they knew what was about to happen. The rest of the class eventually talked them into it. The professor passed out wavers which the entire class signed.
test one: test average B grade. the professor asked what the A students did and they said they studied hard. the restof the class was a mix of casual studiers and people that just didnt give a flip.
test two: test average D. the students that raised all that hell early on were asked what they did this time. they said they hadn't studied nearly as much because they dont want the losers in the class milking off their sweat. naturally the casual studiers studied even less and more people from the casual study group went over to the non study group.
final semester test. test average F. nobody studies at all for this one or very little as they felt that everyone else would atleast work hard enough to keep them in the D grade category so they could pass the class.
All failed the semester. see you next semester or you better super audit.
moral of the story. life isnt fair and everyone diserves their own rewards. if you dont like it go play wow.
Only you and your professor mixed up socialism with communism.
Socialism is so not what you just described. But I heard it's a common mix-up by Americans (n/o).
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Pac SubCom
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.03.17 15:26:00 -
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... and then the government socialized t2 production by introducing invention, with the result that many more people had access to high technology capital and methods than before, everybody had more fun and was happier and nobody had to work 20 hours for Hulks and 10+ hours for Vagabonds. Productivity and t2 pvp across the verse reached new heights, all because of socialism.
The wealthy capitalists, who received the correct t2 bpos by pure luck, couldn't make the poorer people work for them long hours anymore. They didn't like at all that their share of the universe's wealth was decreased by this unnatural and heavy handed redistribution.
So they came to the forums and posted "true stories" about aggravated people in class rooms to explain why an owner class who won a lottery should be able to exploit fiat game mechanics. And why capitalism is so great in a game world where nobody dies or feels pain compared to the real world.
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Voogru
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.17 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Voogru on 17/03/2010 15:54:35
Originally by: Pac SubCom
No it isn't. Every isk sink is a tax, and every isk source is a subsidy that can be and is changed by the government. It is actually a highly regulated system that only appears as a free market if you bracket out the government (which people constantly petition to change the regulations in fact).
A true free market can only develop when the only items found in space is ore to mine and blueprints to create and reaearch.
ISK Sources do not give ISK to players that do nothing.
If you do not kill that NPC, no money.
If you do not finish that mission, no money.
You can obtain T2 BPO's but, surprise surprise, you have to earn them. If they are free for everyone then they will have no value.
Like invention.
I earned my prints, whats stopping you from earning yours? Oh right, you want a free ride.
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Pac SubCom
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.03.17 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: Pac SubCom on 17/03/2010 16:13:21
Originally by: Voogru
Edited by: Voogru on 17/03/2010 15:54:35
Originally by: Pac SubCom
No it isn't. Every isk sink is a tax, and every isk source is a subsidy that can be and is changed by the government. It is actually a highly regulated system that only appears as a free market if you bracket out the government (which people constantly petition to change the regulations in fact).
A true free market can only develop when the only items found in space is ore to mine and blueprints to create and reaearch.
ISK Sources do not give ISK to players that do nothing.
If you do not kill that NPC, no money.
If you do not finish that mission, no money.
You can obtain T2 BPO's but, surprise surprise, you have to earn them. If they are free for everyone then they will have no value.
Like invention.
I earned my prints, whats stopping you from earning yours? Oh right, you want a free ride.
No I want to permaban your IP and trash your prints. Sadly you're protected by government regulations of 100% personal hangar safety. And your account is managed by the government too, making you immortal. Oh and I can't create my own bpo either because the information contained in it is magically protected by the government too. And it doesn't hand them out anymore.
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TheBlueMonkey
Gallente
Priory Of The Lemon
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.17 16:26:00 -
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I like cheap stuff, please keep undercutting each other so I can get more cheap stuff :)
I never really understood how america runs on a two party system.
For that matter so does the UK.
It's rediculous, especially when the main arguments from either side is "we're not as bad as them".
That's rubbish, I want a political party that turns up and says "we're awesome and this is why"
But then I also think that political office should be offered to those who are the head of their field.
Education minister goes to the best head teacher in the country.
Chamber of commerce goes to the top of the banking institution.
that kinda stuff, rather than some member of a corporation or minister that was friends with this one guy back in the day and is owed a favour.
Quick, grab the pitchfolks and over throw your governments then we'll have free milk and cookies for all :)
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Ick Ickagami
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Posted - 2010.03.17 16:59:00 -
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In the real world, Socialism is wonderful!
That is, right up to the point that the government runs out of other people's money.
See Greece, ( and soon, the United States )
When you've run out of tax money, and no other country is willing to buy your junk bond status debt, you are pretty much ****ed, and all those wonderful government freebies go bye bye.
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Mikelangelo
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.17 17:03:00 -
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I think the whole BPO issue is total bull.
If you didn't have 4 agents all getting research points, and you weren't running around like a chicken with your head cut off between all the systems running research missions, and if you didn't have several of your friends doing the same thing while the T2 BPO lottery was being implemented, then you don't have a friggin right to ***** and moan about it.
Shut the hell up if you didn't do the work and get one. I was helping a friend of mine while the T2 lottery was going on, and while I didn't personally get one, my friend did, and he was on 8-12 hours a day during that time grinding faction and research missions.
So, my point is, if you didn't do the work, then you have no right to complain about it. There are people in this game who put in hundreds (if not thousands) of hours trying to get a T2 bpo, didn't get one, and aren't complaining about it, so shut up already.
You people make me sick.
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