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Andrew Redburn
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Posted - 2004.12.03 14:29:00 -
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I got Caldari BS lv5 and Torps lv4/CMs lv4 and I can tell you that I beat in one on one the other guy almost always ONLY because their setups SUCK.
I test my setups with Loka mainly and his Blasterthron kills my Raven. Either I can tank his damage using a XLarge Shield Booster and RUN OUT OF CAP much earlier than him OR I can run my large Tech II booster infinite but can not tank all his damage (using one KIN and one TH hardener plus other mods both cases)
He on the other hand can easily tank my damage if I use CMs and looses ~1k armour per minute with torps.
Every ship has its pros and cons. The only one with no cons is the Apoc (Max damage plus max tanking at once). Just use your brain and find the right setup for your current task (NPC/PvP/...).
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Andrew Redburn
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Posted - 2004.12.03 14:29:00 -
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I got Caldari BS lv5 and Torps lv4/CMs lv4 and I can tell you that I beat in one on one the other guy almost always ONLY because their setups SUCK.
I test my setups with Loka mainly and his Blasterthron kills my Raven. Either I can tank his damage using a XLarge Shield Booster and RUN OUT OF CAP much earlier than him OR I can run my large Tech II booster infinite but can not tank all his damage (using one KIN and one TH hardener plus other mods both cases)
He on the other hand can easily tank my damage if I use CMs and looses ~1k armour per minute with torps.
Every ship has its pros and cons. The only one with no cons is the Apoc (Max damage plus max tanking at once). Just use your brain and find the right setup for your current task (NPC/PvP/...).
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Demangel
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Posted - 2004.12.03 15:39:00 -
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Blah blah blah...
MY suggestion to CCP is, instead of removing the three other races as seems apparent... (especialy if the Caldari idiots on this thread had thier way) Why not just remove Caldari instead?
I think that would fix just about every problem EVE has at the moment... The comunity would be better for starters... 
Sure some good folks in Caldari Guise would get removed too, but I think it's worth the price... 
Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you
Demangel > Dude... I would call..
Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet.
Galaxion > Just a bit.
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Demangel
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Posted - 2004.12.03 15:39:00 -
[124]
Blah blah blah...
MY suggestion to CCP is, instead of removing the three other races as seems apparent... (especialy if the Caldari idiots on this thread had thier way) Why not just remove Caldari instead?
I think that would fix just about every problem EVE has at the moment... The comunity would be better for starters...
Sure some good folks in Caldari Guise would get removed too, but I think it's worth the price...
Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you
Demangel > Dude... I would call..
Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet.
Galaxion > Just a bit.
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.12.03 15:51:00 -
[125]
 Originally by: Noriath
Edited by: Noriath on 30/11/2004 13:22:50
What does that even mean harder to set up?
People too dumb or inexperienced cannot use their potential and die patheticly, then cry on the forums. That's what it was meant to mean. Bitter truth but you asked directly...
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.12.03 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Noriath
Edited by: Noriath on 30/11/2004 13:22:50
What does that even mean harder to set up?
People too dumb or inexperienced cannot use their potential and die patheticly, then cry on the forums. That's what it was meant to mean. Bitter truth but you asked directly...
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Barth3zzzNL
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Posted - 2004.12.03 15:52:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Misato Katsuragi
drones suck...
N00b... 
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Barth3zzzNL
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Posted - 2004.12.03 15:52:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Misato Katsuragi
drones suck...
N00b...
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ponieus
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Posted - 2004.12.03 16:52:00 -
[129]
/me
rubs his megathron of death.
Who says the megathron is a weak ship?.. I love mine.. If setup right its a perfect addition to a fleet.
Learn to kit your ships before you whine about them..
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ponieus
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Posted - 2004.12.03 16:52:00 -
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/me
rubs his megathron of death.
Who says the megathron is a weak ship?.. I love mine.. If setup right its a perfect addition to a fleet.
Learn to kit your ships before you whine about them..
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Fierce Deity
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Posted - 2004.12.03 16:53:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Darkwolf
Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Actually the storyline portrays the Gallente as the most technologically advanced...
Peruse, please.
Quote:
Ruled by a handful of mega corporations, Caldari State is the epitome of civil duty and efficiency, where ruthless capitalism leaves no room for human rights or feelings. They are brutally efficient fighters, giving their opponents no chance of retaliation. Through grit and superior technology, the State fought the much larger Gallente Federation to a standstill.
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Even if the Caldari have not engaged in war for many decades, they still strive to be at the cutting edge of military technology and their vessels, weapons and fighting methods are inferior to none but the enigmatic Jovians.
What was that about the Gallente being technologically superior again?
*cough* "The fortunes of the Minmatars have ebbed and flowed continuously. At one time they had a flourishing empire with a level of mechanical excellence never before or since seen anywhere."
lets just leave it at the fact all of the races at one time were masters in their field befour we act like uneducated history bufs mmkay?
------FD------
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Fierce Deity
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Posted - 2004.12.03 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Darkwolf
Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Actually the storyline portrays the Gallente as the most technologically advanced...
Peruse, please.
Quote:
Ruled by a handful of mega corporations, Caldari State is the epitome of civil duty and efficiency, where ruthless capitalism leaves no room for human rights or feelings. They are brutally efficient fighters, giving their opponents no chance of retaliation. Through grit and superior technology, the State fought the much larger Gallente Federation to a standstill.
Quote:
Even if the Caldari have not engaged in war for many decades, they still strive to be at the cutting edge of military technology and their vessels, weapons and fighting methods are inferior to none but the enigmatic Jovians.
What was that about the Gallente being technologically superior again?
*cough* "The fortunes of the Minmatars have ebbed and flowed continuously. At one time they had a flourishing empire with a level of mechanical excellence never before or since seen anywhere."
lets just leave it at the fact all of the races at one time were masters in their field befour we act like uneducated history bufs mmkay?
------FD------
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Justicia Universi
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Posted - 2004.12.03 19:57:00 -
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WHY ARE CALDARANS THE ONLY RACE THAT CAN USE EW?
PLEASE MOVE THEM TO HIGH SLOTS SO WE ALL CAN USE THEM!
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Justicia Universi
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Posted - 2004.12.03 19:57:00 -
[134]
WHY ARE CALDARANS THE ONLY RACE THAT CAN USE EW?
PLEASE MOVE THEM TO HIGH SLOTS SO WE ALL CAN USE THEM!
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2004.12.04 00:18:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Justicia Universi
WHY ARE CALDARANS THE ONLY RACE THAT CAN USE EW?
Dominix... Tempest... Vigil...
Hell, basically any ship can use EW, it only requires 3 racial jammers to neutralize any ship. It's just that Caldari have on average more slots, and thus are better at it, they are by no means the only race that can use electronic warfare.
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2004.12.04 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Justicia Universi
WHY ARE CALDARANS THE ONLY RACE THAT CAN USE EW?
Dominix... Tempest... Vigil...
Hell, basically any ship can use EW, it only requires 3 racial jammers to neutralize any ship. It's just that Caldari have on average more slots, and thus are better at it, they are by no means the only race that can use electronic warfare.
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Vager
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Posted - 2004.12.04 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Justicia Universi
WHY ARE CALDARANS THE ONLY RACE THAT CAN USE EW?
PLEASE MOVE THEM TO HIGH SLOTS SO WE ALL CAN USE THEM!
Maybe not such a good idea. Then we would get complaints about how it's not fair that amarr ships can fit full guns, tank and fit an EW mod in the utility slot .
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Vager
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Posted - 2004.12.04 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Justicia Universi
WHY ARE CALDARANS THE ONLY RACE THAT CAN USE EW?
PLEASE MOVE THEM TO HIGH SLOTS SO WE ALL CAN USE THEM!
Maybe not such a good idea. Then we would get complaints about how it's not fair that amarr ships can fit full guns, tank and fit an EW mod in the utility slot.
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EVENFLOW
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Posted - 2004.12.04 09:23:00 -
[139]
To quote Kakalot's profile from long ago (when he was still playing): The battle is over as soon as you undock.
If you can't get set up right, you're toast, period.
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EVENFLOW
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Posted - 2004.12.04 09:23:00 -
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To quote Kakalot's profile from long ago (when he was still playing): The battle is over as soon as you undock.
If you can't get set up right, you're toast, period.
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Chronos Sage
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Posted - 2004.12.04 11:23:00 -
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"no no" they cry "we will not think of an imaginative way to counter great and inspiring builds, we will not play co-operativly to over come a very tough opponent. let us instead beg the gods to strike down the great builds and make uber the builds we ourselves have erroniously chosen."
And verily - at the end of time they cried out bitterly against the playstyle entropy that had stricken the universe of eve, but which ironicly had been the very thing they had been asking for all along
KTHNXBYE
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Chronos Sage
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Posted - 2004.12.04 11:23:00 -
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"no no" they cry "we will not think of an imaginative way to counter great and inspiring builds, we will not play co-operativly to over come a very tough opponent. let us instead beg the gods to strike down the great builds and make uber the builds we ourselves have erroniously chosen."
And verily - at the end of time they cried out bitterly against the playstyle entropy that had stricken the universe of eve, but which ironicly had been the very thing they had been asking for all along
KTHNXBYE
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2004.12.04 17:16:00 -
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It is funny how people complain about the uber caldari, and only think of this in a PVP/NPC hunting sense. How about the crap us caldari had to endure before the osprey?? what about the caldari miners out there, who's best ship was a raven mining, with less yield than a gallente cruiser. What about the caldari people who run courier agent missions, and wonder why their badger mk II cant fit 25,000m3 like the gallente? And a raven cant shield tank as effectively as an apoc armor tank. Hence the reason races have SPECIALTIES. Sure, we are missile *****s, so what. apocs are laser *****s, and gallente are hybrid *****s. I understand the whole tracking issue, but i believe once worked out , the DOT for somewhat related setups for the 3 races (minmatr proj suck), comes out almost identical.
As a caldari there is one thing i do disagree on. The new changes to missiles intercepting their targets, rather than chasing them definetly doesnt seem fair, as this makes tacklers almost useless. I say , change that back to how it was, and fix defenders so they work as intended, and then it will be a little fairer. Sure minmatr needs a lot of work, and i think a mwd penalty reduction bonus for megathron would be wise, to bring gallente back on par with amarr/caldari.
With minmatr i dont know, so i guess CCP could easily read the 13 page thread that is always on the first page of this forum about Proj Nerfs. Just remember that while Pvp might be your choice of profession, there are thousands of other people out there with other choices like mining, who get screwed over by choosing the wrong race.
Of course with the mining barges, this isnt exactly a valid point any more, but has been for the last year and half, where caldari and minmatr were the most pathetic miners in the game. Think of it as payback.
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2004.12.04 17:16:00 -
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It is funny how people complain about the uber caldari, and only think of this in a PVP/NPC hunting sense. How about the crap us caldari had to endure before the osprey?? what about the caldari miners out there, who's best ship was a raven mining, with less yield than a gallente cruiser. What about the caldari people who run courier agent missions, and wonder why their badger mk II cant fit 25,000m3 like the gallente? And a raven cant shield tank as effectively as an apoc armor tank. Hence the reason races have SPECIALTIES. Sure, we are missile *****s, so what. apocs are laser *****s, and gallente are hybrid *****s. I understand the whole tracking issue, but i believe once worked out , the DOT for somewhat related setups for the 3 races (minmatr proj suck), comes out almost identical.
As a caldari there is one thing i do disagree on. The new changes to missiles intercepting their targets, rather than chasing them definetly doesnt seem fair, as this makes tacklers almost useless. I say , change that back to how it was, and fix defenders so they work as intended, and then it will be a little fairer. Sure minmatr needs a lot of work, and i think a mwd penalty reduction bonus for megathron would be wise, to bring gallente back on par with amarr/caldari.
With minmatr i dont know, so i guess CCP could easily read the 13 page thread that is always on the first page of this forum about Proj Nerfs. Just remember that while Pvp might be your choice of profession, there are thousands of other people out there with other choices like mining, who get screwed over by choosing the wrong race.
Of course with the mining barges, this isnt exactly a valid point any more, but has been for the last year and half, where caldari and minmatr were the most pathetic miners in the game. Think of it as payback.
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Ryuben
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Posted - 2004.12.05 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic
big post.
basically ur saying u deserve to be "uber leet" at pvp/npc cos cladari can't mine?.
*cough* solid argument there
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Ryuben
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Posted - 2004.12.05 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic
big post.
basically ur saying u deserve to be "uber leet" at pvp/npc cos cladari can't mine?.
*cough* solid argument there
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Dsanta
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Posted - 2004.12.05 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Iratus Caelestis
I was talking about this the other day, primarily I believe it's Indestructable Apocs and Pulse lasers that need a 'whack of the bat'
I think if you gave Megathrons the Thorax's MWD bonus, knocked the apocs cap down a bit and lowered the stats of pulse lasers or increased the stacking penalty on Damage mods then we'd be sweet for the Gallente as they'd have the Megathron back to being the damage dealer it's supposed to be.
Projectiles do need much love I agree after trying them on an alt.
BTW, the Raven has 2 utility slots, don't hear them moaning
The Gallente do have the best Cruiser and arguably the best Heavy Assault vessel though, don't forget that.
how to kill apoc:
 step 1: ECM the crap outta it
step 2:combine both launchers and turrets+drones and unleash
step 3: 20mins later you have won
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Dsanta
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Posted - 2004.12.05 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Iratus Caelestis
I was talking about this the other day, primarily I believe it's Indestructable Apocs and Pulse lasers that need a 'whack of the bat'
I think if you gave Megathrons the Thorax's MWD bonus, knocked the apocs cap down a bit and lowered the stats of pulse lasers or increased the stacking penalty on Damage mods then we'd be sweet for the Gallente as they'd have the Megathron back to being the damage dealer it's supposed to be.
Projectiles do need much love I agree after trying them on an alt.
BTW, the Raven has 2 utility slots, don't hear them moaning
The Gallente do have the best Cruiser and arguably the best Heavy Assault vessel though, don't forget that.
how to kill apoc:
step 1: ECM the crap outta it
step 2:combine both launchers and turrets+drones and unleash
step 3: 20mins later you have won
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.05 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Dsanta
how to kill apoc:
step 1: ECM the crap outta it
step 2:combine both launchers and turrets+drones and unleash
step 3: 20mins later you have won
If you cant kill a ship in under 2 minutes, and you have him jammed, webbed, and scrambled, he'll just log and disappear when his 2 minute escape timer is up.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.05 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Dsanta
how to kill apoc:
step 1: ECM the crap outta it
step 2:combine both launchers and turrets+drones and unleash
step 3: 20mins later you have won
If you cant kill a ship in under 2 minutes, and you have him jammed, webbed, and scrambled, he'll just log and disappear when his 2 minute escape timer is up.
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